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  •  Tip Jar (15+ / 0-)

    "Speak with your chest, bro. You a man!" - Ferguson citizen to Gov. Nixon

    by jazzence on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 01:44:40 PM PDT

  •  Is that what we're seeing? (0+ / 0-)

    I can't make it out.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 01:58:26 PM PDT

  •  He then defended himself (4+ / 0-)
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    Schneewolfe, AoT, sethtriggs, Linda1961

    against the store employee who was attempting to illegally detain him in the store.

    Look, I tried to be reasonable...

    by campionrules on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 02:00:40 PM PDT

  •  Nothing is as it seems to be on first blush. (4+ / 0-)
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    Schneewolfe, annominous, worldlotus, AoT

    We need to continue to be curious until we get to the root of what actually happened and why.

    Thanks for getting this out there.

    I want to live in a world where George Zimmerman offered Trayvon Martin a ride home to get him out of the rain that night. -Bishop G. Brewer

    by the dogs sockpuppet on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 02:02:25 PM PDT

  •  I have no idea what happened (5+ / 0-)

    and I don't pretend to, but what about the confrontation at the door a few seconds later? The store owner should be able to confirm or deny what happened.

    … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

    by mosesfreeman on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 02:14:28 PM PDT

  •  The Clerk Will Surely Be Interviewed Since He's (9+ / 0-)

    a key player in the original video the police publicized [against the wishes of US DOJ]. There are several possible scenarios that could explain the confrontation at the door, but we have the clerk so his side at least will come out.

    One thing we know, the clerk did not call 9/11, a customer did. So one possibility is mistaken impression about something that didn't really happen.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 02:14:43 PM PDT

    •  And if the clerk says that it was an assault (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm sure the police will have already put that information out to the media.

      My preferred pronoun is 'They', what's yours?

      by AoT on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 06:31:43 PM PDT

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    •  The cops will also have interviewed the customer (1+ / 0-)
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      who made the 9ll call and have that version of what was said between Brown and the shop keeper.  And of course there will also be a version from the shop keeper and another from Brown's friend.

      That the Jackson as not leaked any damning information from those interviews smells like maybe there's nothing against Brown specific to a strong armed "robbery."

  •  DEfinitely not strong arm (1+ / 0-)
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    sethtriggs

    It looks more like the clerk was distracted, and the other kid took something.  And then the clerk comes out and says something about the other kid.

    Streichholzschächtelchen

    by otto on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 02:43:20 PM PDT

    •  well, yeah, if you cut out the video (5+ / 0-)

      section with the strong-arming, then there's no strong-arming.

      The deleted part is subject to multiple interpretations, but pretending that it doesn't exist is a little bizarre.

      •  But when the clerk walks past Brown in this video (2+ / 0-)
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        there doesn't not seem to be any issue either on the part of the clerk or of Brown.

        There is still something important missing from this part of the story to explain what happened at the door.

        •  You're surely right about that. (0+ / 0-)

          Before we hear what the clerk and any other witnesses say, this is all mere speculation. Something led the police to bump up the description of the event to "strong-arm" robbery. That could be viewing the tape, hearing the witnesses' stories, wanting to get leverage on Brown's friend, or wanting to make Brown look dangerous to help their buddy Wilson. Any of those is possible and we have no way of knowing the truth right now. But pretending that parts of the surveillance records don't exist doesn't advance the cause of truth at all.

          •  And it is also not (0+ / 0-)

            germane to Michael Brown's cold-bloodied murder in broad daylight. Let's all get caught up in the minutia of a a"leaked" video tape and forget about the senseless murder of a  young black man by a white one. Nothing to see here folks... Another thug dead...

            Republicans are counting on the fact that fear makes people do stupid things. Like voting Republican.. ~ Ian Reifowitz

            by mikejay611 on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 05:51:00 AM PDT

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            •  You are certainly right that the this video has (0+ / 0-)

              nothing to do with Wilson putting 6 slugs into Brown.  But as long as they are going to leak the video they should leak all the information about that incident.

              Including what I have seen a few places, that the clerk did not call 911, someone else did.

  •  It looks (0+ / 0-)

    like Mike pulled the display box out ( perhaps out of the hands of the clerk, Mike seems to be agitated), which then spilled onto the floor. He's picking up multiple ( packs of cigars?) and heading away as the clerk rushes around to account for the spilled merchandise?

  •  Wow (2+ / 0-)
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    darest, Zornorph

    The edited video  omits the very act of force against the store clerk that is the title of this diary.  Even his friend says Mike stole the cigars.

        Freeman Bosley, a former St. Louis mayor and the lawyer for Brown’s pal, 22-year-old Dorian Johnson, said he has not seen the tape but confirmed that the slain teen took the cigars.

        “My client did tell us — and told the FBI — that they went into the store,” Bosley said on MSNBC. “He told the FBI that he did take cigarillos. He told that to the DOJ and the St. Louis County Police.”

     The store clerk who has been on sick leave since the incident (probably without pay which is another issue) was trying to lock the door.  He confronted Mike and Mike used his body to move the clerk aside... huge weight difference.  It's relevant as hell as it shows Mike's frame of mind minutes before his encounter with the police officer.

    Add the clerk's statement and that of a couple of witnesses in the store including Johnson and if that checks out it would be charged as robbery Class B.

    Just curious.. how did Mike pay for the stolen cigars as the diary header says.... ??  and I hope it's not a tragically trite answer.

  •  That's what it looked like to me when I saw that (1+ / 0-)
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    mikejay611

    part of the video (the part that Jackson didn't release).

    Brown is talking to someone behind the counter, you can see him nodding his head like he is talking.  Whatever Brown handed to his friend, his friend put back on the counter and it was removed by someone from behind the counter.

    The smaller man comes from behind the counter and walks past Brown while he, Brown, is picking up cans of something like beer of cola, and there does not seem to be an issue for the shop keeper.

    What happened to the canned drinks. They do no appear to be in Brown's hand when he left the store

    There's still something else going on that causes Brown and the shorter man to end up in a tiff.

    You know the cops have interviewed the man/people who work in that shop.  Why aren't the cops releasing that information?  Probably the same reason they didn't release the autposy info until they had to to compete with the families autopsy.

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