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in a manner of speaking. The game is the same according the Qur'an. (Kill 'em all, if they're not Muslim: imprison them if they convert after helping you to kill off the infidels!) Their book, not mine.

But ISIS has played the card too early.

The beheading and the shooting of people is so far beyond the need for them to have their asses kicked out of existence, that it is almost ludicrous to say it! WE should have seen this coming when we left billions of dollars of equipment in-country, for a bunch of people who were never on our sides in the first place. They were glad to be rid of Saddam's boot-prints on their backs, but they wanted to choose whose would be next to endure.

We bought into the "We'll be seen as "liberators!" crap, because we wanted to feel as if our war made some sense. Now however, we are in danger everywhere that we can see. Trust me on this: this group is not intent on scaring anyone: they want to destroy everyone!!

They are not interested in negotiating with the US or with any other country; they want to produce their own world, the whole freaking thing!
They are the "Simon Barr-Sinister"(s) of the age. They want to "Rule the world!" (Watch Underdog reruns).

I feel so sorry for the Foley family to have had to endure this insulting and grievous torture of having to know that these gutless jacks murdered their son. I hope that they will one day receive some form of justice, for what he went through.

Now; are we willing to respond as we should; or will it be another joke-laden "surgical strikes will demoralize them" bunch of nonsense?

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  •  What exactly do you propose that is? (2+ / 0-)
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    Tony Situ, IamGumby
    Now; are we willing to respond as we should

    Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

    by ZedMont on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 02:12:35 PM PDT

    •  I do not propose anything. (1+ / 0-)
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      I know that they need to be smashed, eliminated with swift and extreme prejudiced.

      The question you are asking me seems a bit dim. What the hell did you think I was talking about?

      Progressive or not, sometimes, (and this is definitely one of those) you have to be a first-striker! All-in, no games-playing.
      Big guns, death, and no mercy. If not...this will come to our doorsteps real soon.

      •  You sound like everybody (7+ / 0-)

        that was on Fox News today.

        "We have cast our lot with something bigger than ourselves" - President Obama, July 30, 2010

        by Overseas on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 02:27:22 PM PDT

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      •  Well, let Mr. "Dim" turn the light up for you. (1+ / 0-)
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        I asked a straightforward question and you skirted it.  If there is a way "we should" respond, and you're asking if we are willing to make that response, a reasonable person would think you have something in mind other than what we're doing now.

        You can deny this if you wish, but you seem to be suggesting an all-out American boots-on-the-ground military assault with all the bells and whistles.  Uh, we did that already.  It didn't work out so well.  I can't speak for "we," but I am not willing to provide American troops for ISIS suicide attacks.

        This ultimately is an Iraqi fight.  If we can assist them in exterminating these vermin with relatively low-risk air attacks, I'm all for it.  I think the president is doing the only prudent thing he can do under the circumstances.

        I hope the Iraqis are willing to respond as THEY should.

        Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

        by ZedMont on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 03:02:07 PM PDT

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        •  I did not "skirt" anything! (0+ / 0-)

          WE will fight with this element, whether or not we want to do so, at some point in the more than  likely near future.

          They will not negotiate, they will eliminate. We need leadership who will take this fight not to them, but away from their ability to fight at all!

          Destroy them, physically, financially, and literally!

          I hope that you have your answer now.

  •  Sorry but "kill 'em all, let god sort 'em out" (2+ / 0-)
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    is not an acceptable plan.
    And certainly not something that US should be doing.
    We can back up local forces, when they request, we can deliver aid and provide air cover, but we are not the world's cops.
    The West's interventions in South East Asia are the base cause of much of the problems in the region and so far, every adventure has made it worse.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 02:48:16 PM PDT

  •  We Need To Know Who Finances Them To Begin With (1+ / 0-)
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    We need to know who their spiritual leaders are also.  These shadow people need to be outed.  Is Senator McCain also responsible? Is Isis the people he met with?   We need to get to the head of this problem so we can starve it to death.

    •  The 'spiritual leader' seems to be (2+ / 0-)
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      G2geek, Tony Situ

      Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who called declared himself caliph and thus in charge of all Muslims in the world.

      Obviously he is a lunatic.

      And no McCain is not responsible for these murderous fools.  I dislike the McCain as much as anyone but he didn't 'create' ISIL anymore then you or I did.  He's such a doddering fool, who knows who he met with but it's highly unlikely it was ISIL, or ISIS  or IS.  They are now calling themselves ISIL but have gone under many names in  the past, not just IS or ISIS (I'm pretty sure they're sticking with ISIL now which means Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant for the time being. IS just means Islamic State whch speaks to their hopes of achievement throughout the Middle East, non-compliant Sunni's  be damned, Shias, Christians, Jews and the people not of the 'book' who are little more then pagans in their eyes worthy of slavery and rape, unlike the others worthy of death  if not in immediate agreement to their hostile brans of backwards thinking.)

      They were originally funded by a wealthy Saudi Prince and possibly other wealthy Sunni's living in opulence in oil rich countries surrounded by Western luxuries.  In another words, hypocrits who would never willingly live the lifestyle ISIL seeks to impose on others.

      Charlie Crist for Florida Primary date: August 26, 2014, Election Date: November 4, 2014

      by aimeehs on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 10:08:13 PM PDT

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    •  They have also received millions of dollars (1+ / 0-)
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      in ransom from foreign governments and organizations as ransom for release of journalists and citizens.

      Some of the only journalists, even before the US involvement in the campaign in Iraq, who were never released were American and British.  The US government does not negotiate with terrorists concerning ransom requests.

      Charlie Crist for Florida Primary date: August 26, 2014, Election Date: November 4, 2014

      by aimeehs on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 12:31:42 PM PDT

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  •  I guess you don't realize that ISIS and the (4+ / 0-)
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    OHdog, sturunner, Habitat Vic, Alhambra

    Sunni militias are different groups with different histories and different agendas?  Or maybe that the Sunnis were the favored group under Saddam and the Shia' were oppressed?  Or that the Shia' under al-Maliki, whom we installed, then started getting some of their own back?

    You do realize that doing mash-ups of real life situations does not work?  If you wish to see the genesis of Shia' distrust of us, check out our history when they were encouraged to rise up against Saddam during Desert Storm.  The poor fools believed Daddy Bush and rose up and then were slaughtered when promised US aid never materialized.  Ever think all sides in Iraq mistrust the US for reason?

  •  A start would be to deport ISIS Members (1+ / 0-)
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    and supporters living in Western countries

    •  NSA, on that. (1+ / 0-)
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      Bye, Mr Sandbox.

      You support ISIS in Western countries.  .  .  .

      Oh, wait.

      Too late.


      "Get in the way. Create chaos. Cause trouble. " "On global warming there is no more time to change the Overton Window. We have to break it."

      by sturunner on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 04:17:38 PM PDT

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  •  Sura ii, verses 190-94 (6+ / 0-)
    Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.

    And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they first fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

    But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

    And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.

    But fear God, and know that God is with those who restrain themselves.

    [The Glorious Kur'an. Abdallah Yousuf Ali, tr. Libyan Arab Republic, The Call of Islam Society, 1973]

    If one is going to reference any particular people's Scripture, it is probably helpful to quote the passage exactly and cite the specific translation referenced. Otherwise people might suspect you're just making things up, or - at most generous - merely misinterpreting.

    "[T]he preservation of the means of knowledge among the lowest ranks is of more importance to the public than all the property of all the rich men in the country." - John Adams, A Dissertation on the Canon and the Feudal Law. (1765)

    by AnacharsisClootz on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 03:24:36 PM PDT

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