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As of last night ABC News is pushing the debunked story about Michael Brown stealing cigars in it's story, "A Different Look at Ferguson's Michael Brown Just Days Before His Death." Besides being five days late and completely debunked, why are there no corroborating interviews or backup material. Somebody, WAY, didn't do their homework.

I'm on another project, so this is just a heads up and I'll let other Kossacks respond to this incredibly inaccurate piece.

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  •  The video of him in cap and gown is the "other (7+ / 0-)

    side," not the robbery. They're saying exactly the opposite of what you're claiming.

  •  The only discrepancy I see with the piece... (2+ / 0-)
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    is their use of the term "apparently" when they should have used "allegedly."

    The only other video images of Brown, who was 6-foot-4, to surface since the shooting has been in sharp contrast. Police released a surveillance video last week that showed a large man apparently stealing cigars from a convenience store.
    The rest of the article is fairly academic.

    "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged." - 17th-century French clergyman and statesman Cardinal Richelieu.

    by markthshark on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 10:17:14 AM PDT

    •  since you can watch it on video, it is apparent (0+ / 0-)

      Basically, all three eye witnesses (the clerk, the woman customer, and Dorian Johnson) told police that Brown took the cigars, didn't pay for them, and shoved the clerk when he got in his way leaving the store. That makes the theft alleged.

      The fact that you can watch the video and see exactly that, Brown grabbing the cigars, never going to his pocket for money or paying, and then shoving the clerk on the way out, that makes it "apparent".  

      •  Not it's not... (1+ / 0-)
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        since you can watch it on video, it is apparent
        I've watched the video multiple times and it's still unclear exactly what transpired at the store counter.

        What's apparent is that (1) some sort of transference/exchange of something that could have been money occurred across the counter between Brown and the shop keep. (2) after the exchange, Brown appeared to put an unknown number of Cigarillos back on the counter (3) Brown had a number of Cigarillos left in his hand when he turned around and handed them to Johnson, who then stood there holding them, doing nothing at all until they left the store a few moments later.

        What's not apparent is that (1) we don't know what was exchanged across the counter. (2) we don't know if Brown thought he was charged too much -- or if he didn't have enough money to pay for all the Cigarillos. (3) we don't know why Johnson did not simply bolt out the door if the Cigarillos were stolen. And, (4) we don't know what started the verbal altercation between Brown and the shop keep that ended with a shove by Brown on the way out of the door.

        "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged." - 17th-century French clergyman and statesman Cardinal Richelieu.

        by markthshark on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 02:40:21 PM PDT

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  •  The cigar robbery has not been debunked (3+ / 0-)
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    What are you talking about Some Kossacks have claimed that he paid for his cigars, but that is certainly not obvious from the video. What is obvious is that both he and Dorian Johnson returned a few boxes of cigars back to the counter. But they did take a few with them.

    •  after talking to the clerk for a time (1+ / 0-)
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      strong armed robberies are usually smash and grabs or else are not usually committed in broad daylight with at least one other employee and several shoppers in the store.  Strong arm robbers also do not have a leisurely chat with the clerk nor do they return part of their loot.

      Finally neither do they saunter casually out of the store after effecting their robbery.  It seems that there was a disagreement with the clerk on that either Brown shortchanged him or else that Brown did not present proper ID to purchase tobacco products.

  •  Hey, they dont want their viewers to think theyre (1+ / 0-)
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    watching CNN!

    "Back to you, Wolf!"

  •  Johnson's lawyer (7+ / 0-)

    Said Brown stole some cigarillos.  Why do people keep denying this? Christ get over it.

    In fact Johnson admitting it increases his credibility.

    •  Johnson's lawyer.. (1+ / 0-)
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      Said his client had made a statement to the feds, regarding all that happened in the store. No details were discussed, as what happened in the store had nothing to do with the shooting. His credibility? Sorry, he's black. Black victims, even when dead, are presumed guilty, until they are found innocent.

        •  So which interview are you thinking of? (0+ / 0-)

          The one he did with Don Lemon on CNN? Where he said Dorian admitted to the FBI that they "took" cigars, and that he had been told they were not going to prosecute him?

          In that one (linked above), Freeman Bosley first said the word "robbed", then quickly corrected the word to "took".

          I actually don't doubt that he said it, but having seen another pie fight ensue on this recently, if you've got a link to a quote from Mr. Bosley using the word "stole", perhaps you would share it.

          I'm not going to get into an argument on either side. Frankly, at this point I think Mr. Bosley would do better by his client by steering clear of press interviews for the foreseeable future.

          Inside of me are two dogs. One is mean and evil. The other is gentle and good. The two dogs fight all the time. Which dog wins? The one I feed the most.

          by bakeneko on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 12:23:58 PM PDT

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          •  .....and crickets....... (0+ / 0-)

            Inside of me are two dogs. One is mean and evil. The other is gentle and good. The two dogs fight all the time. Which dog wins? The one I feed the most.

            by bakeneko on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 07:35:48 PM PDT

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