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What's being described as "the most important document produced by the UN about global warming" has an urgent warning meant for the eyes of world leaders (so as not to panic the rest of us) that the damage our carbon fueled industrial economies are making to our planet's atmosphere and oceans will soon be irreversible creating their own momentum for even more drastic change as a number of feedback loops become the dominant drivers of Global Warming accelerating the destructive changes to the environment.

Damage from global warming will soon be irreversible, says leaked UN report

By Alex Morales

Humans risk causing irreversible and widespread damage to the planet unless there’s faster action to limit the fossil fuel emissions that cause climate change, according to a leaked draft United Nations report.

Global warming already is impacting “all continents and across the oceans,” and further pollution from heat-trapping gases will raise the likelihood of “severe, pervasive and irreversible impacts for people and ecosystems,” according to the document obtained by Bloomberg.

“Without additional mitigation, and even with adaptation, warming by the end of the 21st century will lead to high to very high risk of severe, widespread, and irreversible impacts globally,” the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said in the draft.

The study is the most important document produced by the UN about global warming, summarizing hundreds of papers. It’s designed to present the best scientific and economic analysis to government leaders and policymakers worldwide. It feeds into the UN-led effort drawing in more than 190 nations for an agreement on limiting emissions.

                                                   The Road to Ruin

UN Panel: Global Warming Human-Caused, Dangerous


The report says if the world continues to spew greenhouse gases at its accelerating rate, it's likely that by mid-century temperatures will increase by about another 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit (2 degrees Celsius) compare temperatures that are about 6.7 degrees warmer (3.7 degrees Celsius).

"The report tells us once again what we know with a greater degree of certainty: that climate change is real, it is caused by us, and it is already causing substantial damage to us and our environment," Pennsylvania State University climate scientist Michael Mann wrote in an email. "If there is one take home point of this report it is this: We have to act now."

Humans are approaching the climate's point of no return. How will national leaderships respond to this dire warning meant for their eyes only?

We're already seeing disturbing indications that we've already passed the point of no return.

Underwater methane gas plumes erupting along Atlantic coast

In an unexpected discovery, hundreds of gas plumes bubbling up from the seafloor were spotted during a sweeping survey of the U.S. Atlantic Coast.

Even though ocean explorers have yet to test the gas, the bubbles are almost certainly methane, researchers reported Aug. 24 in the journal Nature Geoscience.

"We don't know of any explanation that fits as well as methane," said lead study author Adam Skarke, a geologist at Mississippi State University.

Surprising seeps

Between North Carolina's Cape Hatteras and Massachusetts' Georges Bank, 570 methane seeps cluster in about eight regions, according to sonar and video gathered by the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration ship Okeanos Explorer between 2011 and 2013. The vast majority of the seeps dot the continental slope break, where the seafloor topography swoops down toward the Atlantic Ocean basin. [Gallery: Amazing images of Atlantic Methane Seeps]

The Okeanos Explorer used sound waves to detect the methane bubbles and map the seafloor. The technique, called multibeam sonar, calculates the time and distance it takes for sound waves to travel from the ship to the seafloor and back. The sonar can also detect the density contrast between gas bubbles and seawater.

How can we be more persuasive to prompt our hopelessly self-centered elites to take urgent action?

Originally posted to Lefty Coaster on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 03:44 PM PDT.

Also republished by DK GreenRoots, Climate Change SOS, and Climate Hawks.

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      •  Johnny, it's not news to me. (23+ / 0-)

        Thousands of scientific reports have been published we can see it with our own eyes.

        It's no secret that you can't reverse burning mountain ranges of coal and great lakes of oil.

        “Industry does everything they can and gets away with it almost all the time, whether it’s the coal industry, not the subject of this hearing, or water or whatever. They will cut corners, and they will get away with it. " Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D, WVa

        by FishOutofWater on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 06:59:05 PM PDT

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        •  I most certainly agree. We are in deep $*%# (10+ / 0-)

          and we need to get this fixed fast and right.

          Get the %# polititians and the corporate leaders (hey Koch Brothers) out of the way and get things done.

          "Death is the winner in any war." - Nightwish/Imaginareum/Song of myself.

          by doingbusinessas on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 07:04:26 PM PDT

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          •  Not gonna happen. (11+ / 0-)

            It seems that humans are programmed for mass suicide, and senseless conflict, rather than reason.

            And the politicians who might possibly have done, or still might do, something to alter our disastrous course, have all been bought by Big Oil.

            When the going gets tough, we resort to ignorance, and dig our heels in deeper.

            The coming social dislocations, famine, disease, lack of safe water, infrastructure collapse, and every-man-out-for-himself strife, are going to make today's conflicts and police state response, look like children's theater.

            Not to mention the immense arsenal of weapons now in the hands of the yahoo class.

            I feel very sorry for the children of today, and their children. Life may be brutal.

            And they will surely ask, "WTF was wrong with our parents and grandparents?"

            "We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few. But we can't have both." - Justice Louis Brandeis

            by flitedocnm on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 11:18:23 PM PDT

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            •  WHY do people vote against their own interests?eom (1+ / 0-)
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              "Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out." ~ John Wooden

              by Terry S on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:12:10 AM PDT

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              •  Why? (5+ / 0-)

                I'm likely responding to a rhetorical lament, but just to reinforce the obvious:

                If you can stomach it, just listen to hate radio, or watch Fox "News", for about 5 minutes. The appeals to every base instinct aren't subtle, and they are squarely aimed at the most vulnerable and easily manipulable, and the least educated. The campaign to misinform and foment resentment have all been precisely and carefully designed to get people to vote against their own interests.

                Sadly, propaganda works, especially when it's lavishly financed by billionaires.

                And those billionaires can't see past the ends of their own greed stuffed noses, and either don't give a shit about the destruction they're causing, or have rationalized it all away.

                "We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few. But we can't have both." - Justice Louis Brandeis

                by flitedocnm on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 11:55:06 AM PDT

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                •  Right on (5+ / 0-)

                  Right wing media's mode of operation comes right out of  Hitler's handbook. Keep people ignorant and misinformed.  Keep them angry and fearful.  Angry and frightened people lose the capacity to reason and will believe what they are told.    

                  "Education is dangerous - every educated person is a future enemy."  Hitler's propagandist, Hermann Goering.

                  •  And yet, some of us are not persuaded. (1+ / 0-)
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                    So the question remains:

                    Are humans doomed to destroy our own habitat, or can reality break through the smog?

                    Everything is part of a system. Some people believe that system is science, some believe it is G-d. I believe science is part of G-d's system.

                    by Anna Wise on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 02:52:44 PM PDT

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                    •  Let's refine the question a bit: (5+ / 0-)

                      Are there enough of us who are not persuaded who also have access to the political levers that must be pulled in order to bring about real change?

                      These days, the Dems are every bit as dependent on deep pockets for re-election as the Republicans, and are therefore pretty much every bit as beholden to the big money interests -- read, Big Oil.

                      Yes, we can still vote. But Congress has made itself incapable of doing anything at all. Deliberately. Via sabotage and endless obstruction. Yes, to me that's treason. But that's also a different discussion.

                      So, the question isn't whether reality can break through the smog. If the decisions were left up to the American people, we might actually stand a chance of taking the action needed to save ourselves and our planet. But if the decisions were up to the people, we long ago would have had real gun control. And immigration reform.

                      Our government has been made dysfunctional. And that has been absolutely intentional. We have basically undergone a slow-motion oligarchic coup d'etat in this country, right under our noses, and almost nobody has noticed.

                      Short of some sort of revolution by the 99%, I think we are doomed. Can a non-violent people's revolution happen? Maybe. I'm not hopeful. Tragically, I think stupidity and greed, and appeals to fear and resentment and racism, will prevail until it's too late to make a difference.

                      And the Police State that we now live in, that we've only now suddenly woken up to, isn't by accident either. Protest will be brutally put down. Not just racial protest, but any protest at all. Just look at Occupy.

                      Maybe, maybe, somebody like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren could bring us out of this, if elected President. Someone with real gumption. Many of us hoped that Obama would be that transformational president, and were bitterly disappointed.

                      The chance of Bernie, or Elizabeth Warren, being elected President? I'd dearly love to see it happen, but sadly, I think the odds are pretty close to zero.

                      "We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few. But we can't have both." - Justice Louis Brandeis

                      by flitedocnm on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 04:12:40 PM PDT

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                      •  Remember (2+ / 0-)
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                        What they did to Ross Perot. The same entrenched but shadowy players sandbagged him good. Now they are bold enough to operate right out in the open.

                      •  Very well-stated. (1+ / 0-)
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                        And depressingly, true.  But I still believe we can turn things around if we vote.  For the people who will actually do good things.

                        •  I love your optimism. And your handle. Let's hope (0+ / 0-)

                          that you're right.

                          Sadly, I've been around long enough, and have been disillusioned too many times, to believe that in the end, good will triumph.

                          To me, right now, it looks like $$$$$ wins. That wouldn't necessarily even be that bad if the money folks were willing to take the longer view, because in the end, climate change will cause economic disaster and global economic collapse. But when the only thing that matters is next quarter's earnings, even the consequences for a year from now don't count.

                          When it comes to climate change, the dominant imperative that only the next quarter's earnings matter absolutely dooms us.

                          I wish i could share your optimism. But I'm very glad that there are still people around who believe in reason.

                          "We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few. But we can't have both." - Justice Louis Brandeis

                          by flitedocnm on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 08:49:26 PM PDT

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                          •  You have a valid point. (2+ / 0-)
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                            I agree that things look very bad right now.  Worse than in the 60's when I came of age.  But it was just as bad in the 19th century before, during, and after the Civil War.  The rancor lasted well into the 20th century (and still resounds in our neo confederate citizens).  

                            But things got better for a while with FDR and the successful efforts for civil rights (and women's right to vote in 1919).  There are always people so blinded by their own greed that they can't see their ideas would lead to human extinction.  We just have to keep up the fight.  Democrats are generally peace-loving and want everybody to be happy.  But we get discouraged easily and don't turn out to vote, unfortunately.

                            I really like your quote by Brandeis.  It is so very true.

                •  Maybe former mayor Bloomberg and friends can be (0+ / 0-)

                  persuaded to work with some of the artistic college students who are attracted to to make 2-minute bouncing dot sing along animated cartoons of propaganda aimed at 3 to 10 year old children and their parents for doting grandparents to get as a prize (downloadable) with a donation to the cause of direct action on global warming, like renewable energy to replace fossil fuel and buying fossil fuel reserves as mineral rights to keep coal mine owners from selling it to China, India, etc., at least as Plan B if their attempt to win elections for pro clean energy candidates.

              •  Information / Knowledge: Media propaganda (0+ / 0-)

                Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

                by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 07:52:24 AM PDT

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            •  USA national government too corrupt to accomplish (0+ / 0-)

              much.  It is effectively controlled by CEOs of many too big to fail international corporations, in all industries.  But on all issues CEOs in industries not affected directly by the issue back up CEOs of industries directly affected.  In a free market with no attempt to charge those at fault for damage done to innocent bystanders, most trouble just makes more work for the working man to do.  Our military leaders fund R&D on a sustainable cost-competitive replacement for petroleum.  They already benefit from costs between the going wholesale price and what it costs them by the time they get fuel to where they need it over vulnerable supply lines.  Former NYC Mayor Bloomberg and 19 of his billionaire buddies have written and put on the internet a report called "Risky Business", a fairly detailed cost/benefit analysis comparing cost to mitigate global warming with cost of unmitigated global warming with business as usual.  Maybe there is some hope that between our military funding as much R&D on replacing petroleum as they can get away with and maybe a little wind and/or solar made by MIC firms instead of military pork and sold to utilities on 30-year mortgages, direct loan financing at same interest rate paid by federal government on 10-year bonds.  Buying fossil fuel as mineral rights to keep underground at a $100/short ton of carbon content (92% carbon coal at $92/ton--40% carbon coal at $40/ton) which is somewhat more than current going rate for coal mined ready to ship, would go a long way toward making some action worthwhile.

          •  There's no fixing. There is only adapting (3+ / 0-)
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            at this point. And we can and will adapt. Crops can be grown at different latitudes. Humans and animals can live in a very wide variety of temperatures and climates.

            The rub is that adaptation takes time.  And getting from here to there is going to be extremely painful.  There is no point in talking about preventing or stopping climate change. Our efforts now need to be on how to ease the transition while we adapt.

            •  You don't know that. No one right now can (6+ / 0-)

              possibly know that.

              We've released so much carbon in such a short amount of time that the possible results are beyond any sort of computer calculation and have no paleoatmospheric equivalent to compare it to. From a modern civilization enabling average of around 270 ppm to 400 ppm in little over a century with it likely topping off at 1000 ppm by the end of two centuries.

              That's like an eruption of CO2.

              There are forest fires, and then there are supercharged firestorms. As far as the atmosphere goes, what have we set in motion?

              There were many stable-atmosphere conditions that led to civilization that will likely be wiped out. Some humans may survive, but quite likely without large fisheries and limited arable land to farm while under such conditions industry that could provide relief will fail. Without fossil fuels, the dwindling populations will cut down more and more forests exacerbating their own decline. Civilization as we know it may only survive in the myths of 24th century humans and beyond. I mean we are talking CO2 levels that will persist for 10s of thousands of years.

              This of course is just my interpretation of likely climate change scenarios and do not represent the opinions or interpretations of anyone else to the best of my knowledge. Make of it what you will.

              But I wouldn't assume adaptation is a forgone possibility.

              "We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis Brandeis

              by Pescadero Bill on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 07:48:12 AM PDT

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            •  No fixing (4+ / 0-)
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              I don't know TexasLiz.  What you are saying is rather like the diabetic who is told that if nothing changes they will have to amputate his leg at the hip.  But, if he cuts his sugar consumption down to, say, 10% of what he now consumes there is a chance (albeit a small one) that he will keep his leg.  Wouldn't you advise him to cut the sugar as much as he possibly can, while researching prosthetic legs.?

              There is every point in talking about SLOWING climate change in order to buy us time to make adaptations.

            •  Not so sure about a workable recovery (1+ / 0-)
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              If earth experiences a dramatic population drop, it's not just fewer people adapting and doing familiar things. Major components of our highly interactive human system may vanish. Who mines the ore to keep machines running, or harvests the food now rotting in the field? Will transportation, communication, healthcare and sovereignty be wholly disrupted?

              Adapting in this case would be knowing how our technologically advanced world is supposed to operate, while no longer being able to implement any of it. Starting over with a deep knowledge of what has been lost is a special kind of purgatory.

            •  Global Thermostat makes a contraption to trap CO2 (1+ / 0-)
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              It works.  A family size one costs about as much as a new family size car and lasts about 10 years, at which point it will need a new set of filters.  If we can make up our minds to find some use for the CO2 that will store the carbon content long term and then further to subsidize that use at least enough to pay the full value of getting the CO2 out of our way, then maybe we can turn things around.  At one point the economics college professor at MIT wife of the chemical engineer college professor at MIT inventor stuck her neck out to predict $25/metric ton to capture CO2 given enough volume of demand to achieve economy of scale, but that was looking at 2004 price levels.  My guess around $50 to $60/metric ton now.  US Navy has a few it uses in its R&D search for a replacement for petroleum.

              •  In order for this device to be the least bit (1+ / 0-)
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                helpful, humans need to stop burning fossil fuels.  After that, pulling CO2 will be a big help.  Before that, it's just bailing a boat with a leak that's faster than we can bail.  

                "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." -- Sen Carl Schurz 1872

                by Calamity Jean on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:52:39 PM PDT

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            •  There's only fixing, no adapting. (0+ / 0-)

              We're looking at a future with fatal wet bulb temperatures ... no survival of any human for more than 2 hours.

          •  We will sink in $*%#, but while we will kill off (3+ / 0-)
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            all mammal life, including our species, the planet will shake us off like a horse shaking off flies, and the planet (and those life forms who are left) will just continue on. No one will miss the violent, predatory human race.

          •  Take em out (0+ / 0-)

            As long as big fossil fuel controls whether or not we have 100% non gas burning cars, solar panels on our buildings, cut down on plastic production and drastically increase the implementation of wind and hydro this trend will not stop. The people who run these corporation have to be psychopaths. How else can you explain the fact that they love money and power more than their children and their children's children and their species as a whole. These people need to be removed from their positions and now.

            The wealthy will kill us all.

            •  Fortunately, wind turbines have been improved (2+ / 0-)
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              so much that wind power is now cheaper than coal.  Solar PV power is only about a penny per kWh more expensive than coal, and both PV and wind are expected to continue getting cheaper for the next five to ten years.  

              India is planning to install 10,000 MW of wind power capacity every year in addition to on and off grid solar PV.  They have decided that coal is just too expensive.  

              China has decided that it's cheaper to add wind and solar power than to fight their serious air pollution problem with scrubbers on their coal power plants.

              Several nations in sub-Saharan Africa are also investing significantly in renewable energy:

              If you own your home, have a sunny roof and have net metering in your location, put solar panels on it if you can possibly afford to do so.  And if you haven't gotten an estimate of the cost within the last year, get one.  Prices have gone down.  Every kilowatt fed back to the grid in the daytime is a blow to the profitability of your unfriendly local coal power plant.  If you can't afford enough panels to supply your entire electrical use, put on as many as you can and budget the savings on your electric bill toward getting more later.  

              There are things that ordinary American, Canadian, and Australian citizens can do to fight climate change.  And the biggest thing is a roof of solar panels.  If you can't do that, at least tell your national and state or provincial politicians  that you want more renewable energy.  

              "My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right." -- Sen Carl Schurz 1872

              by Calamity Jean on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:38:50 PM PDT

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          •  Got any idea how that's to be done? (0+ / 0-)

            Seriously. The corporations and the politicians who serve them will not stop, as Lewis Black said, until every last GD drop is squeezed out, and then they'll turn to the youth and squeeze all the oil from their faces!

        •  The 8 clusters of East Coast Methane seeps (5+ / 0-)

          is genuinely alarming.

          "The Democrats and the Republicans are equally corrupt where money is concerned. It's only in the amount where the Republicans excel." ~ Will Rogers

          by Lefty Coaster on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 07:34:51 PM PDT

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          •  I posted a diary on the Methane Seeps 2 days ago (13+ / 0-)

            Along with the Siberian methane crater explosions story and I got slammed a couple of times by nay sayers... so I pulled out some of the most notable quotes below.

            My greatest fear is that what is happening in Siberia, because it is due to air temperatures which are warming at a faster rate than the world's oceans, and are a "leading indicator" of what is to come in these ocean deposits.

            The whole Climate change picture just got a whole lot worse!


            Hundreds of Methane Plumes Erupting Along East Coast

            Notable Quotes:

               “Without more exploring, the researchers can't say for sure why there are so many methane plumes along the Atlantic coastline. "It's a huge research area that needs to be pursued," Ruppel said.If the East Coast could hide hundreds of bubbling methane pits, then it's likely there are nearly 30,000 more awaiting discovery in the world's oceans, the researchers said.”

                “Most of the methane gas dissolves in the ocean before reaching the surface, Ruppel said. The total amount of gas is also much smaller than sources on land, such as cows or gas drilling. "It's probably on the order of a feedlot of methane," Valentine said. However, some shallow-water seeps could vent methane to the surface, and researchers expect that future surveys will uncover even more shallow seeps. These regions only received a cursory look during the survey.

                “Even though the methane may not escape to the atmosphere, the gas still adds to the ocean's overall carbon budget — which is still a wildly uncertain number.”

            This research is only just beginning and there is a lot yet to be uncovered. for more than 20 years climatologists have been warning that the ocean temperature rises could trigger a global climate catastrophe... and the question is are these deposits now beginning to become unstable just as the Siberian permafrost seems to be doing?
            •  Here's the really terrible part. (4+ / 0-)
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              It isn't enough to get the Koch brothers out of the way.

              With every day that passes, I feel more strongly that this probably only solvable with a revolution, and a complete overthrow of everyone who is in charge now. And it has to happen soon.

              We won't do it of course.

              Ignorance more frequently begets confidence then knowledge. Charles Darwin

              by martianexpatriate on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 09:29:38 PM PDT

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              •  Coal is primary energy for 37% of US electric. (0+ / 0-)

                Electric is almost $470 billion/year.  Coal is over 80% of cost for coal-fired electric power (generators already fully depreciated).  Almost $140 billion domestic coal sales.  If it is possible to raise about $160 billion a year to buy coal as mineral rights, that almost alone could raise cost of coal-fired electric enough to make electric utilities start seriously buying wind and solar and smart grid electronics and energy storage to replace coal fired electric power.  Enhanced geothermal which is dispatchable would also help.

            •  Tipped and Rec'd (2+ / 0-)
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              "The Democrats and the Republicans are equally corrupt where money is concerned. It's only in the amount where the Republicans excel." ~ Will Rogers

              by Lefty Coaster on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 10:31:13 PM PDT

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            •  These deep seeps off NC are interesting but (2+ / 0-)
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              they may be the result of natural degradation of organic matter in sediment. A link has not yet been established to warming water.

              The Siberian platform methane plumes are in shallow water, are reaching the sea surface and entering the atmosphere. They are associated with warming river water on the Siberian platform and the tongue of Atlantic water that originates in the Gulf Stream. They worry me. These small Atlantic seeps don't worry me yet.

              “Industry does everything they can and gets away with it almost all the time, whether it’s the coal industry, not the subject of this hearing, or water or whatever. They will cut corners, and they will get away with it. " Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D, WVa

              by FishOutofWater on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 06:33:53 AM PDT

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              •  As the article points out... (0+ / 0-)

                This was just a chance discovery and a lot more investigative work is needed and we don't know how big a problem they are at present because we don't know how serious even the arctic methane deposits are...

                In short... we don't have any answers... we are just beginning to ask the right questions.

                A sleeping giant?
                As the planet warms, vast stores of methane — a potent greenhouse gas — could be released from frozen deposits on land and under the ocean. Amanda Leigh Mascarelli reports on the race to understand a ticking time bomb.
                Video at the link below

                Gas Hydrates

              •  Even if it is natural degradation of organic (1+ / 0-)
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                matter in sediment, warming will speed it up, and it will further aggravate global warming since it is such a strong greenhouse gas.

    •  I'd agree, but it will fall on deaf ears in the US (0+ / 0-)

      The Kyoto Protocol didn't get even one vote in the US Senate.  Fracking has mushroomed in the US in what has been the most short-sighted practices of this century so far, even though it is clearly damaging the air and fouling the rapidly diminishing potable water supply.  Does anyone think that this report will get any more attention than the past forty years of reports have received from a US government bought long ago by the fossil fuel industry?

      •  Reply to the UN Report needs to be done en masse (0+ / 0-)

        Dear Expat and Proud of it - It is time that the people of the world begin to focus on what kinds of ecological management initiatives are essential and to not allow any political inertia to stand in the way of the changes that are required. Civil society can organize, and then government can come in later as a junior partner.

        Water needs to be managed as a bioregional public utility. The surplus floodwaters from the Canadian prairies needs to be canaled to the depleted aquifers and reservoirs - in canals line with northern or miracle moss, that will remove the agricultural and mining pollutants. This will help to enhance the fertility of the degraded arid regions of North America, so that our carbon collecting capacity is drastically improved.

        Do you know of any environmental groups that are getting serious about the benign things we can do to stabilize the climate, before things get catastrophic, and governments are forced to resort to risky geoengineering schemes?

  •  8 years going backwards followed by 6 years (90+ / 0-)

    (and counting) of essentially standing still on what is arguably the gravest crisis humanity has ever faced.   We fought 2 wars, emptied our treasury, and gutted the Bill of Rights in response to 1 (admittedly horrific) terrorist attack.  We've done virtually nothing in response to a far graver threat.

    There is no better example of the utter failure of our system.

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 03:58:53 PM PDT

  •  Pffft. (10+ / 0-)

    Agenda 22.

    To be greeted with yawns or hostility.

    I don't want to die but I'm glad I won't see the planet in 20 years or so.

    I do want to see the solar eclipse in 2017, however.

    •  Don't you mean (2+ / 0-)
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      Agenda 21?

      That's quite an, erm, eyeful, that one...

      "Counting on people having nowhere else to go is the logic of a slumlord."--Wolf10

      by lunachickie on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 07:09:22 PM PDT

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      •  Agenda 21: valid manual for local eco-management (0+ / 0-)

        The paranoid rightist onslaught that  accuses Agenda 21 of being anything other than a manual with about 330 chapters that deal with sustainable policy guidelines - has been an assault on the public interest around the world.

        The ravings about killing off the population, and creating a bare subsistence for the rest of the population, was just a lot of hot air designed to get people to look with suspicion and hostility toward anything UN related.

        Right wing corporatists want people to hate and have nothing to do with the UN. This only feeds oligarchic control over the organization. The corporate vise that has been clutching the UN has turned it into a disaster that needs to be salvaged by people of good will - who support democratic development - reasserting the public accountability and dedication to the public interest that  UN was set up for.

        The local UN Associations date back to the late 1940s - when Eleanor Roosevelt went all over helping to get these established. It was understood at that time, that if the public did not assert control, the UN would become a cartel-controlled monster. In Canada, the UNAC has a number of branches, and I urge everyone to find an support the branches of the UN Association near you. Do not be discouraged if you see signs of oligarchic control. This was predicted, and it can be corrected with people banding together.

        Projects like Pyramid 2030 - from the Rio+20 Sustainability Conference in 2012 need to be joined. These  are the best hope for policies that urgently get problem solving acted upon.

  •  The allegedly most intelligent animals to inhabit (15+ / 0-)

    the planet appear to be on target to eliminate themselves as cogent beings.  Of course the essential elements in our bodies will continue to be a (dormant) part of the universe, which could care less about the human species.  The planet will be fine, just not so much for allegedly advanced primates.

    I predict that cockroaches will become the dominant species and will invent holographic television and a highly advanced taco.

    Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

    by ZedMont on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 04:05:23 PM PDT

  •  This could be old news, but I thought (8+ / 0-)

    the discussions in the Danish documentary, Expedition to the End of the World, relevant to this.

  •  at least they're saying that (41+ / 0-)

    if we made drastic changes, we could still avoid some of the irreversible damage. That's better than what I've been assuming.

    But, of course, only if the world's governments take action. If they don't take action, it will be a choice between overthrowing them or consenting to the end of human civilization and possibly the end of the human race.

    Hell of a choice.

    Completely insane sociopaths who crave money like a crack addict craves his pipe have a stranglehold on the governments of the world. We are being given this version of capitalism to live with--a version which will kill us. And we're being fobbed off with climate plans that don't actually make much difference in emissions, certainly not enough to hold off total disaster.

    This is a political problem. It's not a technology problem, a lifestyle problem, a policy problem, or a scientific problem. All those aspects can be handled. What's keeping us on this disastrous course is the relationship between disaster crony capitalism and the imprisoned or complicit governments of the world

    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame/Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name/Mother of Exiles.

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 04:13:04 PM PDT

    •  OUR government is a wholly-owned subsidiary of (31+ / 0-)

      Big Oil and other extractive industries.

      They are the root of the issue and they are not going to voluntarily stop producing oil to make obscene profits.

    •  That said, Van Hollen's cap and dividend bill (6+ / 0-)

      is excellent policy. But the chances of it passing as written are practically nil, even if the Democrats keep the Senate, which I doubt they will.

      A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame/Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name/Mother of Exiles.

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 04:32:26 PM PDT

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      •  I think the Senate is a tossup (5+ / 0-)

        "The Democrats and the Republicans are equally corrupt where money is concerned. It's only in the amount where the Republicans excel." ~ Will Rogers

        by Lefty Coaster on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 04:36:51 PM PDT

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        •  47% chance we keep it. (9+ / 0-)

          It's hard for me to look at statistics like that, but with a 44% favorability rating for the party--only two points higher than it was in 2010--what do you expect?

          The Republicans' favorability is even lower of course, much lower, but their trick is, they don't need very many people to turn out. They turn out their handful of crazy people, and because turnout is depressed overall, they win. Well, most people aren't fanatics, or lunatics, and they won't vote when they see that they lose no matter who wins. Only fanatics do that. Most of our time on this site we spend complaining about the fact that the American electorate doesn't have more fanatics in it, preferably fanatics who love our team and hate the Republicans. But it doesn't work that way. People want actual change; they want their lives to get better. If all the politicians offer them is guff, they're not going to turn out. There's a way to beat that problem, but nobody's interested in doing so.

          A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame/Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name/Mother of Exiles.

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 04:47:57 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Another way of looking at it (9+ / 0-)

            is that we have a profound electoral problem reflecting a deeper problem of corruption in our government, as well as in our big industries and financial sector. It's a problem which we have been utterly unwilling to address as a party or as a website, since sometime in 2008. (Dean was attempting, in his own rather moderate way, to address it up until Nov 2008).

            We keep trying to beat the very rich at their own game. Whatever chance we had of doing that and having it translate into policy gains has been wrecked by Citizens United and McCutcheon and the rise of the SuperPAC, combined with media concentration into the hands of a few corporations (6, I believe). Although Dean's attempt to do just that with a reform movement arising from within the party was arguably stopped before CU, because powerful politicians within our own party liked neither him nor the reform he represented. And that included the incoming Administration, which favored Rahm Emanuel and Joe Biden both of whom can't stand Howard Dean.

            A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame/Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name/Mother of Exiles.

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 04:57:23 PM PDT

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          •  When Democrats refuse to govern like Democrats (4+ / 0-)

            our voters stay home it's kind of irrelevant how the public views Republicans.

            "Former" Republicans never are. People prone to supporting profound injustice don't morph into people capable of telling right from wrong.

            by JesseCW on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 05:37:06 PM PDT

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          •  The only way to stop this is for everyone to (4+ / 0-)

            stop buying their shit..  They own the governments.  They own the banks, and they own the farms.  Back out, get debt free and live simply.  The are polluting the earth with our money.

            Patriotism may be the last refuge of scoundrels, but religion is assuredly the first.

            by StrayCat on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 05:39:45 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  That's an essential part of a winning strategy (0+ / 0-)

              certainly, although I'd say buying enough of their shit to maintain an internet connection might be a necessary evil, since they control all other communications pretty much entirely.

              But yeah, disentangling oneself from their consumer culture is part of it, of course.

              There's got to be more to it, though, because the militaries of the world, particularly ours, have a deep enough thirst for fossil fuels to provide them a market even if we all backed out.

              A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame/Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name/Mother of Exiles.

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 07:57:08 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Jet fuel from sea water? (0+ / 0-)

                I copied that link from further up stream.  The gist of the article is that US Navy is working on a chemical engineering process to make jet fuel from CO2 captured and hydrogen electrolyzed from sea water using electric power from their nuclear propulsion systems.

            •  Ya can't go bacl to the land anymore (0+ / 0-)

              It's been fracked.

              I'm a Vietnam Era vet. I'm also an Erma Bombeck Era vet. When cussing me out and calling me names please indicate which vet you would like to respond to your world changing thoughts.

              by Just Bob on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 08:17:53 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  You can, but the water supply is a dangerous (1+ / 0-)
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                limiting factor, to be sure.

                That's what's gonna kill us, most likely, is the effect of climate change on water plus the effect of overuse on water plus the effect of pollution on water.

                A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame/Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name/Mother of Exiles.

                by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 08:21:26 PM PDT

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          •  Backwards (0+ / 0-)

            The people need to turnout and turn out consistently for several election cycles before their lives will have even the slightest chance of getting better.

            If they want more than guff they're going to have to put in the work.  But you're right- nobody is interested in doing so.

            "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

            by Whimsical on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 07:59:55 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  They did. (4+ / 0-)

              Like everyone on your side of the great divide, you erase those parts of history, even recent history, that contradict your story.

              I can't really express how angry it makes me to watch you erase out of history the work that I and millions of others did, which culminated in an over-60-million-person movement for reform. 8 years of self-education, political organizing, electoral efforts up and down the ticket in red, purple, and blue states--all work done with low or, more often, NO pay--resulting in a Democratic President with a 65% approval rating and a 63-million-person- nationwide movement bearing his name, large majorities in the House and Senate, more power than the Democratic party had had in fifty years. And they said "Thanks!" and proceeded to kick both us, and the electorate, in the face.

              and what would it have taken to keep on the people's good side? Just one or two little signs of faith. Hell, being unequivocal in defense of Social Security and Medicare and creating some jobs would probably have been enough. But no.

              Now talk to me about how one of the smartest politicians I've ever seen was utterly flummoxed by the existence of the filibuster. Make excuses.

              A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame/Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name/Mother of Exiles.

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 08:30:17 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  No excuses. (1+ / 0-)
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                He was waiting to see if the people were going to understand that it would take time to get what they claimed to want or if his victory was a fluke reaction to how utterly awful Bush was and how utterly inept the McCain/Palin ticket was.

                When depressed turnout (not helped by "progressives") cost the Democrats the House in 2010 he concluded- as Democrats always have and always will- that the reason they lost was because the country WANTS Republican policies, and acted accordingly.

                So don't give me any crap about how the electorate got kicked in the face- they got EXACTLY what was coming to them for the effort they put in. And they're going to keep getting it until they Grok that they have to turn out both reliably and CONSISTENTLY (a word you conveniently overlooked) for at least three election cycles before there will be ANY movement in a progressive direction.

                But that's the trouble with people on your side of the great divide- less patience and frustration tolerance than my three year old niece.

                "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

                by Whimsical on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 05:40:07 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  "He was waiting to see… that it would take time" (1+ / 0-)
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                  Almost as if he preferred not to come through with the change he made so much noise about during the election.

                  "I am confident that we're going to be able to leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before." President Obama

                  by quagmiremonkey on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 06:14:28 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  He came through with as much change as was (0+ / 0-)

                    possible. He then waited to see if  he would be rewarded for it with continuation of Democratic control of Congress.  When that didn't happen, he concluded that he was not rewarded because the country prefers Republican policies and adjusted accordingly.

                    See previous comment about patience and frustration tolerqnce, lack of.

                    "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

                    by Whimsical on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:44:12 AM PDT

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              •  Furthermore (1+ / 0-)
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                Obama created MORE than enough jobs during his first two years (despite historic, unparalleled and insane opposition) to justify keeping the Democrats in control of Congress.

                But because it wasn't the amount of jobs "progressives" wanted him to create- because they live in a fantasy world where someone could have done better- they'd rather his party lose control of Congress; leading in large part to the mess we're in now.

                That's a perfect example of how no patience and no frustration tolerance on the part of the electorate caused the problem.

                And the problem is not going to get better until the electorate fixes it.

                "The future of man is not one billion of us fighting over limited resources on a soon-to-be dead planet. . .I won't go back into the cave for anyone."

                by Whimsical on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 05:48:32 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

    •  It's really not about this version of capitalism (6+ / 0-)

      or that one.

      It's about capitalism.

      "Former" Republicans never are. People prone to supporting profound injustice don't morph into people capable of telling right from wrong.

      by JesseCW on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 05:35:57 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  except USSR had likely the worst environmental (2+ / 0-)
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        Lefty Coaster, Mimikatz

        record of any nation state in history (particularly in Sberia), and that was not due to capitalism.  In fact , the lack of having to worry about capitalistic things like "return on investment" actually increased the speed and severity of environmental ruin.  

        (And that's not even counting the USSR's worst designed nuclear plants in the world, again, not due to "capitalism".)

  •  I can't wait until other Intelligent species (14+ / 0-)

    start sending rovers here to assess the damage.

    THAT's gonna be embarrassing.

  •  We have to persuade (3+ / 0-)

    their corporate overlords first. If we can get their attention, they will take care of the world leaders.

  •  My kids think I am being ridiculous when I think (7+ / 0-)

    of a dystopian future (or no future) due to climate change.  On the other hand I can totally picture my kids on the vehicles traveling across the dessert in "Mad Max".

    ...Son, those Elephants always look out for themselves. If you happen to get a crumb or two from their policies, it's a complete coincidence. -Malharden's Dad

    by slowbutsure on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 04:31:39 PM PDT

  •  Looks like Mordor (9+ / 0-)

    or Isengard after Saruman was corrupted by Sauron.

    Unfortunately it's not a nightmare of fantasy fiction but our real planet, and our real lives.

    Tolkien was right ...

    "Our society will not be great until every young mind is set free" - Lyndon Johnson

    by Michael Vykun on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 05:09:46 PM PDT

  •  Who are the biggest offenders at this point? (3+ / 0-)

    Is it still the US, or have we been overtaken by China, India and others? And realistically, within the limits of political, economic and social reality, what CAN be done at this point? It's not just a technological problem, and never was.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 05:58:39 PM PDT

  •  The danger from climate change ain't the climate.. (4+ / 0-)
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    misterwade, FrY10cK, Tony Situ, KenBee'll be the people, at least in the short term.

    Imagine the United States from the 40th parallel on down, baking like the Mojave desert. Doesn't even have to be that bad -- what do you think the carrying capacity of such a place would be? Compared to the numbers who live there now?

    The next border fences are gonna be built between states.

    And that's just the US. If I were Canada, I'd be real nervous.

    A lot of global warming fear seems to be based on on some fuzzy concern about human extinction. Those fears are misplaced and probably ages too early. Global Warming so far is the science of averages, but in reality, there'll always be a (relatively) cool spot in the Global Warming Burrito, where technology, civilization, and polite society will retreat to, and we'll NIMBY-up a fence behind us to keep the undesirables from following.

    •  Why do we build the wall? (2+ / 0-)
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      Lefty Coaster, episty

      Why do we build the wall,
      my children, my children,
      why do we build the wall?

      Why do we build the wall?
      We build the wall to keep us free.
      That's why we build the wall:
      We build the wall to keep us free.

      How does the wall keep us free,
      my children, my children,
      how does the wall keep us free?

      How does the wall keep us free?
      The wall keeps out the enemy,
      and we build the wall to keep us free.
      That's why we build the wall:
      We build the wall to keep us free.

      Who do we call the enemy,
      my children, my children,
      who do we call the enemy?

      Who do we call the enemy?
      The enemy is poverty,
      and the wall keeps out the enemy,
      and we build the wall to keep us free.
      That's why we build the wall:
      We build the wall to keep us free.

      Because we have and they have not,
      my children, my children,
      because they want what we have got!

      Because we have and they have not,
      because they want what we have got,
      the enemy is poverty,
      and the wall keeps out the enemy,
      and we build the wall to keep us free.
      That's why we build the wall:
      We build the wall to keep us free.

      What do we have that they should want,
      my children, my children,
      what do we have that they should want?

      What do we have that they should want?
      We have a wall to work upon!
      We have work, and they have none,
      and our work is never done,
      my children, my children,
      and the war is never won.
      The enemy is poverty,
      and the wall keeps out the enemy,
      and we build the wall to keep us free.
      That's why we build the wall:
      We build the wall to keep us free.

      We build the wall
      to keep us

      -- Anais Mitchell, "Why We Build the Wall," Hadestown (2010)

      "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is the first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk. Every state is totalitarian at heart; there are no ends to the cruelty it will go to to protect itself." -- Ian McDonald

      by Geenius at Wrok on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 06:59:23 PM PDT

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    •  If The Atnosphere Flips (0+ / 0-)

      thru a chaotic phase (read about Chaos Theory) & the resulting stable new normal is a cooler version of Venus it will mean the biggest Extinction Event ever. A fitting end to nature's experiment with intelligent life on this planet; our tomb & monument.  Life will probably survive in the form of a few strains of thermophilic bacteria & begin the long climb upward again.

  •  alas, I think we as a society long ago decided (5+ / 0-)

    that we aren't going to do anything about climate change until it is absolutely so bad that we have no choice at all.

    Seriously dealing with climate change would mean giving up portions of our fat lazy indolent American lifestyle, and, as a society, we would rather die than do that.

    We can't even get Americans to fucking recycle.

    In the end, reality always wins.

    by Lenny Flank on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 07:41:30 PM PDT

  •  We're all gonna DIE! (1+ / 0-)
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    ... that is all.

  •  Welcome to the 22nd Century (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Lefty Coaster

    Just a bit early.

  •  I Appreciate your work. As to your final questi... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Lefty Coaster

    I Appreciate your work.

    As to your final question, it ain't gonna happen. Not until it is too late, anyhow, so far as the type of transformation that is needed. Might even be too late already.

    Fascinating watching it all go down, but I fear our future gaining enormous amounts of misery as the result of our inaction.

  •  I get a 404 for the UN link, the second article. (0+ / 0-)

    The dream knows no frontier or tongue,/ The dream no class or race. Langston Hughes

    by parse this on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 04:07:33 AM PDT

  •  Civilizations always have factors for destruction (0+ / 0-)

    As they age, those factors become stronger and stronger. They are resolved though change or the civilization devolves. It seems that vested interests are the biggest factors opposing change. Why change if I am doing well and I have the power to resist change.

    In the end it may boil down to political structures. Perhaps our neo-liberal democracies are less than suited for dynamic change. I think that we need to look there for change first.

    The other problem is that people are willing to sacrifice quality of life for quantity of income. It's hard to convince people that they should sacrifice for the overall good. Even in China, the government feels that it must go full steam ahead to develop the economy at any cost, in order to keep its people content. At times of war we can demand sacrifice, so the only way to do this is to elevate climate crisis to that level. It is in fact, way above that level as far more people will die as the result of run-away climate change as have died in all the wars put together.

    •  That's The Past (2+ / 0-)
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      There is no wiggle room to correct, rebuild & adapt as we always did before. The changes are going to be so severe that little or none of the Human Race will survive in the worst case. We are probably going to hand down a ruined planet to future generations, if any. The Ruling Classes see no reason to change, that's why they call them reactionaries. It is the same as it always was; Those on top want to freeze the game while they have all the power & privilege. I think they are counting on the real breakdown coming after they have lived out their pampered & privileged little lives. There is no time for taking control away from them as we did in the past. The changes are accelerating too quickly for that. There is a good book, 'Collapse' by Jared Diamond that goes over some earlier examples. A little out of fashion but still a good read.

  •  Nihilists and Sociopaths (0+ / 0-)

    have already decided that making profits NOW is much more important
    that the long term survivability of the planet.

    The willing accomplices in the Government will continue to
    perform Kabuki theatre by rearranging the deck chairs on the Earth ship Titanic.

    Do whatever you can for Yourself and your Family.

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 07:30:16 AM PDT

  •  I have a shitload of antiques about 200 years old. (0+ / 0-)

    and in 200 years from now, nobody will be in any position to give a shit. Holy crap, what a shift in mindset. It is really all going to go away. Wow.

    Well, they are still cool and look great... anybody want to buy some antiques? I gotta buy me a ticket on the Mars express... wait, the Venus apparently has a buncha women without men... saw it on the TV moovie from the 50s... and they dressed quite provocatively... I'm a-headin' ta Venus!!

  •  We are doomed in this respect. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Calamity Jean

    Too many people making billions of dollars by being polluters and they just don't care. You think the Koch Brothers will change out of the goodness of their hearts? The solution takes both parties and one of the parties deny there is even a problem. Big money runs this country, not you or I.

  •  Somebody... (0+ / 0-)

    Please give me some good news...

  •  This should be interesting... (1+ / 0-)
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    Greed v Humanity.

    I will not be around for the conclusion but I think I can make an accurate prediction and it doesn't look good for my grand kids, I am sorry to say.

    Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.---George Orwell

    by okpkpkp on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 04:03:49 PM PDT

  •  We have met the enemy, and he is us (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Wagymfan, Calamity Jean

    There is an awful lot of its their fault on this blog.  Oil companies make money, because we buy gasoline.  We have a similar problem with gas and coal.  It would help a lot if prices reflected true costs, but even at current costs there is a lot one can do to reduce one's personal use.  It doesn't affect commercial, industrial and governmental use, but personal use (transportation and residential) is nonetheless a large fraction of total use.  If you have enough money for charity you should consider donating to what I call the reduce greenhouse gas "charity".  You buy a PV system and deduct part of the cost as a tax credit.  Now that they have micro-inverters, you can even do it in stages.  The step after that, assuming you have a car (I don't) is to buy an electric car that you charge with your PV system.  For most people, PV and electric cars aren't cost-effective with current prices, which is why I consider it a charity.  Some day maybe we can change the political system.  In the meantime I suggest that conservation and the solar/electric vehicle charity is one of the few actions you personally can take.

  •  The Republicans Have A Practical & Effective Plan (0+ / 0-)

    They are going to blame it all on President Obama & the Democrats. Oh, & the Koch bros & fellow travelers are buying up all the land they can get near & above the Arctic Circle. Their plan is to blame & profit. To the Fundamentalist Christians it means,"The Rapture & the End of Days." For them a chance to meet Jesus & revel in the salvation that THEY ALONE are heirs to. Remember, Christianity is a religion with a built in Apocalyptic Vision. The true Christian Nutter adores the thought of death & destruction with the prospect of flaunting their superior faith & goodness while they ride in the Golden Chariot with Jesus. SUFFER YOU SINNERS!!! We a goin'up to Hebbin.

  •  There's only one solution, we have to stop voting (1+ / 0-)
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    Calamity Jean

    for politicians who can be bought off by oil lobbyists.  This applies to Republicans AND Democrats.  If we continue to elect "realists" who are willing to "compromise" on this issue, we are toast.  It's as simple as that.

    Feel trickled on yet?

    by War4Sale on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 11:48:23 PM PDT

  •  read the messages Guy McPherson delivers ... (0+ / 0-)

    and avoid "blaming" (i.e., denigrating) the messenger.  Here is the link to several of his recent videos via his"Blog: Nature Bats Last"

                       Video here is a brief synopsis of self-reinforcing Feedback loops that affect Climate Change. Also consider "Planet Earth: The Next 30 years"

                       Guy McPherson is professor emeritus of natural resources and the environment at the University of Arizona, where he taught and conducted research for 20 years. He's published more than 100 articles along with eleven books, including Walking Away From Empire (2011) and his most recent, Going Dark, published in October 2013. Guy has focused for many years on conservation of biological diversity - See more at:

                       video: The Grantham Institute for Climate Change Annual Lecture 2013, given by Professor Thomas Stocker, University of Bern, Switzerland and Co-chair of IPCC WGI

                       Links to sites dealing with the Science of Climate Change (via The Royal Meteorological Society, UK’s Professional and Learned Society for weather and climate.)
     The Met Office's Hadley Centre
    The Tyndall Centre
    The Walker Institute
    The Grantham Institute
    Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change  -- IPCC

                       free-online-course: Walker Institute @UniRdg_WalkerIn    Have a look at this free-online-course 'Our changing climate: past, present and future'  Check it out :)

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