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Jodi Rudoren Cease-Fire Extended, but Not on Hamas’s Terms. No one seems very happy about this agreement which seems vague on details. This agreement seems to be based on the idea of trying to spread "unhappiness around equally."

JERUSALEM — After 50 days of fighting that took some 2,200 lives, leveled large areas of the Gaza Strip and paralyzed Israel’s south for the summer, Israeli and Palestinian leaders reached an open-ended cease-fire agreement on Tuesday that promised only limited change to conditions in Gaza and left unresolved the broader issues underpinning the conflict. ...

Hamas’s call for a seaport and airport in Gaza, and Israel’s call for demilitarization of the coastal territory — along with an exchange of Israeli soldiers’ remains for Palestinians in Israeli prisons — were put off for discussion within a month if the truce holds. ...

Secretary General Ban Ki-moon of the United Nations welcomed the cease-fire but said in a statement, “The blockade of Gaza must end; Israel’s legitimate security concerns must be addressed.” He warned, “Any peace effort that does not tackle the root causes of the crisis will do little more than set the stage for the next cycle of violence.”

What an exciting capstone for a peace agreement, 'if we don't eventually deal with the real issues and root causes of the problems the violence will continue.' Here we see the core idea this treaty extension is based on, stalling for more time and allowing parties a face saving stand-down.

P.M. Netanyahu was prepared to declare victory and withdraw without an agreement rather than give Hamas apparent victories  by relenting to international pressure to end to the blockade, allow for the construction of a seaport, and ease of restrictions on internal travel, all of which are gaining support in the international community, especially, the European Union.  

Hamas' central demand for an end to the blockade and approval of a Seaport which has been gaining considerable support in Europe and international circles was not included but delayed for discussion in one month along with the tide of returning the allowing fishing area to 12 miles off the coast. Hamas also did not win an easing of travel restrictions in this agreement but has gained considerable sympathy from the international community for the legitimacy of this demand in a longer-term agreement.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is now saying Palestinians must receive "international guarantees for a clear deadline to end Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories, [and] bypass American-brokered peace talks," We learned last week Abbas was given tacit permission from the U.S. to use the threat of taking Israeli's leaders to the International Criminal Court as leverage in the negotiations as long as he doesn't actually sign the Rome Statue and join. Now that Hamas has signed the draft Palestinian Rome Statue and appears to be putting pressure on Abbas to sign, it will be interesting to see if he does.  All of this discussion about the Palestinians joining the International Criminal Court may have been just a stage act for negotiating pressure. If so Abbas has not gained much for his restraint so far.

The U.S. has threatened that it President Mahmoud Abbas signs the Rome Statue enabling a war crimes case be filed against Israeli leaders the U.S. Congress will cut off all funds provided to the Palestinians. Members of Netanyahu's cabinet and negotiating team have threatened to annex East Jerusalem and the West Bank of Palestine joins the ICC.  

Here we may see the meaning of delaying discussions for the Seaport, and ease of the blockade for one month.

One  European proposal that has been floating around the last week has been that Abbas take over Gaza's internal security with assistance of an international force. Leaks indicated some Israeli leaders are concerned that this idea might spread to include the West Bank and East Jerusalem, giving Abbas an major victory of achieving an IDF withdrawal from occupied territories without a comprehensive peace treaty putting him in a much stronger negotiating position.

In Israel, support for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s performance dropped by more than half this weekend from a high of more than eight in 10 Israeli Jews in the battle’s early days, according to polls conducted for Channel 2 News. Israel’s central bank cut interest rates on Monday to their lowest level ever to counter economic fallout, and Mr. Netanyahu has lashed out in recent days against senior ministers critical of the campaign, which commentators and politicians have increasingly argued was ill conceived.
Prime Minister Netanyahu put himself in a "damned if you do, damned it you don't" situation. His right is frustrated and angry he did not act with greater aggressiveness, "wiping out Hamas once and or all, and sending Gazans a life long lession."  Some critics on his left, and an increasing number of American supporters of Israel believe Netanyahu committed a strategic blunder by acting with excess force. Pictures of dead and wounded children in Gaza have disrupted Netanyahu supporters narrative that this story is primarily about Israel defending itself against Hamas terrorists. The "Israel is the victim of Gazan terrorism" story, has become difficult to sustain given the long series of horrifying pictures of "telegenic" dead Gazan children.  

From many interpretation it might seem that the primary outcome Netanyahu has achieved with this last incursion has been to put the face of women and children on the people of Gaza, and make the Israel Defense Forces appear as they are the "storm-troopers in jackboots" suppressing and oppressing an occupied area and depriving the population of basic human rights such as food, water, electricity, freedom of movement, trade, and political self-determinism. American public opinion often favors the underdog.

In this battle of David and Goliath, Netanyahu painted himself and Israel as he Goliath.

During the last month and a half most mainstream newspaper changed their guidelines to describe "Hamas militants," rather the previous "Hamas terrorists," and one hears the occasional question "what is the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist." And, how can the democratically elected leadership of an occupied territory be labeled as terrorists - this seems to violate and strain the "official definition" which excludes governments, which can be lead by war criminals, but not terrorists.  

So having what seems like a majority of mainstream media calling the Hamas fighters "militants" with a hint of "rebel forces" can be seen as a substantial gift from Netanyahu, who has achieved for Hamas, and even their military wing a boost to their level of "perceived relative credibility and legitimacy," that all the previous decades of Hamas leaders have not been able to achieve on their own in all the prior years combined.

I still remain hopeful that we can somehow get back to the idea of a peaceful two-state solution for both Israel and Palestine, however, most experts seem to have declared this option now dead after Netanyahu has categorically rejected the idea of an independent Palestine and vowed to never withdraw IDF troops from the Jordan valley.

But, what is the other option?  What is Netanyahu's end came. Likud and other right-wing leaders have let the cat out of the bag that they hope to incrementally annex zones A and B of the West Bank and East Jerusalem leaving most Palestinians living on reservations the way the United States did to our native American Indians. In the age of internet we are seeing increasing evidence the world is not going to let this kind of injustice happen again.

We hear increasing talk of a one state solution, which I have to confess, I do not see how this would work, or meet the objectives of either side. It may take a while for the outlines of whatever "new" phase we are entering to emerge.

Let's be thankful, at least, for the apparent cessation of the violence for the moment, and hope this holds long enough for sides to make some progress in this deadlock.  

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  •  Tip Jar (14+ / 0-)

    Humor Alert! No statement from this UID is intended to be true, including this one. Intended for recreational purposes only. Unauthorized interpretations may lead to unexpected results. This waiver void where prohibited. Artistic License - 420420

    by HoundDog on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 07:47:41 AM PDT

  •  There is already a one-state solution in place. (6+ / 0-)

    It's called Israel.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 07:55:10 AM PDT

    •  If so, it would be appear to be an apartheid state (5+ / 0-)

      When will the Palestinians get the right to vote?

      Humor Alert! No statement from this UID is intended to be true, including this one. Intended for recreational purposes only. Unauthorized interpretations may lead to unexpected results. This waiver void where prohibited. Artistic License - 420420

      by HoundDog on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 08:11:43 AM PDT

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      •  A better question would be: (6+ / 0-)

        How long will the non-Jewish populations of Israel continue to be allowed to live in The Jewish State?

        "Transfer," anyone?

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 08:45:52 AM PDT

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        •  I know that someone else will say it (1+ / 0-)
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          So I might as well beat them to it. Non-Jewish populations will likely continue to live in Israel indefinitely. They don't consider the O.T. to be "Israel" (yet).

          Anyhow, there's no place to transfer them to. It's ironic, but at a cost of 20% of what the US is going to shell out for the Iraq War, $100,000 per person could have been given in funds for transfer. A family of eight could have been given $800,000 to set up somewhere else.

          Here's an idea, let's give the entire population of the OT immigrant visas to the US, buy each family a house free and clear, and set them up in the business of their choice, or alternatively, send members of their families through college.

          It would be cheaper in the long run, and there wouldn't be anything left to fight over.

          It would also drive AIPAC nuts if the US accepted close to 5 million Palestinians.

          … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

          by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:04:40 AM PDT

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          •  I doubt AIPAC would care if they lived here; (2+ / 0-)
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            they could easily be prevented from forming any kind of viable voting bloc, after all.  And removing them from Israel being the paramount goal anyway . . .

            Of course, there's no way the USA would pay to move such a manifestly undesirable population here anyway.  Didn't they all dance on 9/11?  (I wish I were snarking about American attitudes, but I'm not.)  And why would we pay for their college educations when we don't pay for the college educations of our own citizens?

            And of course, the Palestinians could always be "transferred" to Jordan, which, after all, is according to Israeli propaganda the state intended for the Arabs of the region anyway.   Jordan of course doesn't want them, but we have ways of bringing our client monarchs to heel when push comes to shove.

            It'll happen eventually; the time and opportunity haven't quite arrived yet.

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:10:29 AM PDT

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            •  It should be noted (3+ / 0-)
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              that Palestinians have a distinct accent, they are not Jordanians, Egyptians, Syrians or Lebanese, despite Israeli propaganda to the contrary. Jordan accepted more than it's share already, more still could lead to political instability. Ditto for Lebanon.

              … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

              by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:22:08 AM PDT

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              •  Don't think for a minute (4+ / 0-)

                that Jordanian instability bothers us all that much.  In fact, all that money we give Jordan is, just like the money we give Egypt, is (1) a reward for playing along with our (and Israel's) MENA policies; (2) primarily military aid; and (3) used to keep the populations of those countries firmly under heel.

                In short, we pay for Egyptian and Jordanian repression of internal dissent.

                Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                by corvo on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:54:29 AM PDT

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          •  European Jews are compensated for property stolen (5+ / 0-)

            during the Holocaust. Why shouldn't Palestinians be compensated in the same manner for property stolen during the Nakba?

            "The Democrats and the Republicans are equally corrupt where money is concerned. It's only in the amount where the Republicans excel." ~ Will Rogers

            by Lefty Coaster on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:28:21 AM PDT

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            •  I witnessed ethnic cleansing in Bulgaria in 1989 (0+ / 0-)

              They were evicting the Muslims (ethnic Turks). It was bad and unjustified, but at the end of the day, there isn't ethnic strife there now, and it was accomplished without bloodshed, as far as I know.

              The Greeks and the Turks had a similar arrangement in the early twentieth century, exchanging populations. Everyone knows a Greek family with ties to the eastern Aegean, or further east, and likewise many Turks trace their roots to points further west, but they aren't killing each other anymore.

              Transfer wouldn't be the worst option, if the alternative is continuous bloodshed and death.

              … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

              by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:39:35 AM PDT

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              •  using that argument (0+ / 0-)

                one could just as easily demand the eviction of Jews from the Near East.

                Sure you want to play that game?

                Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                by corvo on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:15:17 AM PDT

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                •  The motivation for the comment (0+ / 0-)

                  comes from disgust and fatigue at the relentless march of death across Palestine. Is transfer a good option? Hell NO! Is it better than slow and inevitable death? Maybe. I don't know anymore.

                  The point is, this shit has to stop.

                  … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

                  by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:29:31 AM PDT

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                  •  I believe the choice between (4+ / 0-)
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                    being victims of "transfer" and "slow and inevitable death" is one that should be left up to the Palestinians.  Advocating their forcible resettlement in the USA would be, of course, just another form of transfer.

                    In other words, the choice as to whether they should suffer on their own land, or die on it, is theirs; and it's not our job to do Israel's dirty work for her.

                    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                    by corvo on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:32:25 AM PDT

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                    •  Of course it should be their choice (0+ / 0-)

                      the fact is, right now most have no choice. They are caught in a no-win situation, with no place to go.

                      We sit comfortably in our spots in the west, pontificating about what "ought to be" and they are suffering in a position without options.

                      No place will harbor them, no place will protect them, they are at the mercy of the IDF every minute of their lives.

                      At the very least, they should be offered an option to emigrate.

                      Yes, it fits the Israeli narrative, but if you lived there, and had kids, wouldn't you want at least the option to leave? The vast majority haven't even got that option. They are forced to stay in place, and accept whatever Israel throws at them.

                      … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

                      by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:48:59 AM PDT

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                      •  maybe; (1+ / 0-)
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                        Yes, it fits the Israeli narrative, but if you lived there, and had kids, wouldn't you want at least the option to leave?
                        or maybe I'd want the Israelis to leave.  Which, of course, corresponds with anyone's notion of law and justice except those of the Israelis and the Americans.

                        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                        by corvo on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:57:39 AM PDT

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                        •  My point is (0+ / 0-)

                          that the west should allow emigration from Gaza on humanitarian grounds. That would mean host countries willing to accept them.

                          Without that, they are prisoners in a no-win game. They have no choices.

                          … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

                          by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 11:11:30 AM PDT

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                          •  The West should also force Israel (4+ / 0-)

                            to abide by international law.  Anyone should be able to live anywhere; but Israel must be made to behave like a responsible state.

                            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                            by corvo on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 03:26:16 PM PDT

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                      •  The Christians in the ME face a similar dilemma (1+ / 0-)
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                        Except that for them, there are (for the most part), places to go that will receive them.

                        I can say that there are Christians in Mount Lebanon who wouldn't leave under any circumstances, they would be dead on the floor before they would ever abandon their land.

                        It's a choice they make, but the fact is, they HAVE a choice. Palestinians have no such choice. There is no alternative for them. Desperation breeds fanaticism, is it any wonder that Hamas is popular in Gaza?

                        … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

                        by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 11:04:36 AM PDT

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              •  Ethnic Cleansing "Wouldn't be the worst option". (1+ / 0-)
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                mosesfreeman

                This is where Lesser Evilism takes you.

                Sadly, it's not even close to the end of that path.

                "Former" Republicans never are. People prone to supporting profound injustice don't morph into people capable of telling right from wrong.

                by JesseCW on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 04:43:24 PM PDT

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            •  Close to a million Jews (3+ / 0-)
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              whose families had lived in Islamic countries for thousands of years were forced out of their homelands after the UN Resolution. About 3 million Israeli citizens are either those individuals or their children. They constitute about half of Israel's Jewish population. Why aren't you advocating for them getting compensated, too, by the countries that forced them out, fire bombed their homes, businesses and synagogues? As to the  Jews being compensated for their property stolen during the Holocaust-- that came a bit late for 6 million of them. For the others, the so-called compensation has been minimal to non-existent. If you have actual evidence to the contrary, please share it with the rest of us.

          •  Yeah. Let's help ethnically cleanse a people from (1+ / 0-)
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            poco

            their land.

            That's cool.

            "Former" Republicans never are. People prone to supporting profound injustice don't morph into people capable of telling right from wrong.

            by JesseCW on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 04:40:48 PM PDT

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            •  You'd rather let Israel (0+ / 0-)

              slowly grind them to dust?

              There aren't a lot of good options here. My point is that Palestinians, for the most part, have no options at all.

              … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

              by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 05:14:45 PM PDT

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    •  Hahahahaha!!! You make funny. n/t (0+ / 0-)

      "Stay close to the candles....the staircase can be treacherous" (-8.38,-8.51)

      by JNEREBEL on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 03:56:27 PM PDT

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  •  The I/P truce is a testimony to Middle East (0+ / 0-)

    irrationality. Thankfully we have a form of peace between the two forces, but both Israelis and, especially, Gazans, are asking what the killing and destruction accomplished. The current status is not that different from before the outbreak of  hostilities. Both peoples agree that a very heavy price was paid that accomplished very little.

    On another note, the incompetence of the UN was displayed once again by the UN Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon, with his fatuous statement:

    “The blockade of Gaza must end; Israel’s legitimate security concerns must be addressed.” He warned, “Any peace effort that does not tackle the root causes of the crisis will do little more than set the stage for the next cycle of violence.”
    Once again, the UN specialty of platitudes and empty mouthings without anything definitive.  

     

  •  The fact that cease-fire pleases no one (6+ / 0-)

    is probably evidence that it's a reasonable deal.

    … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

    by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 08:28:59 AM PDT

    •  I bet you it pleases people... (5+ / 0-)

      ....who are tired of being shelled.

      Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is most important that you do it.

      by The Termite on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:08:06 AM PDT

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    •  Generally, (1+ / 0-)
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      mosesfreeman

      That's the definition of a good negotiations outcome: everyone walks away unhappy.

      Very rarely does a deal result in everyone being happy. That happens in movies; even then, everyone in the theater rolls their eyes because it's so unrealistic.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:41:14 AM PDT

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      •  That's also the definition of bad negotiations (1+ / 0-)
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        poco

        outcome, of course.

        It's actually possible to simultaneously screw both parties to a deal.

        "Former" Republicans never are. People prone to supporting profound injustice don't morph into people capable of telling right from wrong.

        by JesseCW on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 04:46:30 PM PDT

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        •  You're right, of course. (0+ / 0-)

          My question is, if the deal is THAT bad, how bad is the situation that brings them both to the table?

          It's probably really terrible.

          People (organizations, nations, etc) often find themselves into situations that are truly horrible, and the only option is a crappy resolution. The denouement is lousy, but is NOT working the situation out any better?

          Hard to answer for all situations, but usually not.

          Dunno....

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 08:52:30 PM PDT

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  •  Hamas got nothing (6+ / 0-)

    it couldn't have gotten weeks ago, if it had accepted the Egyptian offer. Rather than doing so, it assured the destruction of much of Gaza's infrastructure and the death or injury of  Gaza residents. Moreover, if Hamas wanted to build Gaza and improve the lives of Gazans, it could have done so through peaceful relations with Israel years ago. Instead, it fired rockets at Israel and provoked this war, as a Palestinian university professor pointed out in a part of the news article that this post didn't include. The post also asserts that the US gave Abbas tacit approval to take Israel to the International Criminal Court. Please provide support for that proposition. The post also asserts growing belief "among supporters of israel" that it acted with excessive force.  Please provide evidence for that assertion, as well. In fact, there has been widespread support for Israel's actions from left to right in Israel, and among Jews and Jewish organizations in the US, including left leaning ones like J-Street and Peace Now.

    •  Hamas did gain something (3+ / 0-)
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      perhaps you just don't understand it. Sticking a finger in the eye of Israel IS something. Gazans were withering under the blockade. It was slow death. By fighting back they suffered enormously, but the same level of suffering and death would have occurred anyway, just at a slower pace.

      By fighting back they have made certain tangible gains. They have undermined Israeli propaganda irreparably, the whole world now considers Israel the aggressor, not the victim. They have drawn attention to their plight, whereas before they were suffering in silence... I know there have been plenty of conflicts  before, but since Mavi Marmara, Gaza has been largely outside of the news cycle.

      Undermining support for Israel is not to be discounted.

      Israel is losing the PR war. Hamas knows it, and so does Bibi.

      … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

      by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:01:07 AM PDT

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      •  Hamas gained nothing in the truce agreement (1+ / 0-)
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        JNEREBEL

        that they couldn't have gotten in the first Egyptian proposal. I think that is a fact. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear about that. I think your other arguments are debatable, but it is certainly true that the historic European anti-semitism was given a good excuse to put on display its power, combined with the increasing Muslim population throughout Europe. As to Hamas support "throughout the world", that's a rather breathtaking comment-- it neither reflects the US nor most Middle Eastern Arab governments, who fear and loathe the Islamic fundamentalism that Hamas represents. You're quite right that Hamas felt threatened by lack of attention prior to its attacks, and it has certainly now gotten attention.

        •  This has nothing to do with "Anti-Semitism" (0+ / 0-)

          and to suggest otherwise is disgusting. You are showing your true colors.

          This is too much like shooting fish in a barrel. I feel bad. I would (almost) like to hold a class for you guys on effective hasbara. Seriously, a comment like that won't win anybody over, ever.

          During Cast Lead, Israeli supporters were worthy opponents, they came up with compelling arguments, they made you think, they made you do your homework. Anymore I find that Israeli supporters are lazy posers.

          If I changed sides for 24 hours, I could do a much better job than anyone here is doing.

          Just saying.

          … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

          by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 01:04:41 PM PDT

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      •  "The whole world knows it" (0+ / 0-)

        I won't HR you for the blatant dishonest propaganda, but I should. I think that many reasonable people understand that Israel acted in self defense after Hamas kidnapped and murdered those three innocent children. And many believe that indiscriminately firing rockets that intend to kill ONLY civilians is an act of terrorism. And there are many people, including myself, who feel that Israel should've killed more Hamas terrorists. And should not have stopped until the goal of eradication of them, was achieved. I'd venture to guess that there are many Palestinians themselves that would also agree. After all, Hamas summarily executed dozens of Israeli "collaborators" during this conflict. If nothing else, it stands as proof that there are Palestinians who feel that Hamas is the source of their problems.

        •  Of course you won't HR me (2+ / 0-)
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          There is nothing HRable about what I said.

          Have a nice day.

          … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

          by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 01:10:20 PM PDT

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        •  Slaughtering Palestinian children doesn't (2+ / 1-)
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          "defend" against people killing Jewish Israeli children.

          Most people have the sense to realize that missiles fired into neighborhoods because mortar fire came from that general area hours before is willful slaughter of civilians.

          But then, most people are able to see that Palestinians are human beings.

          Not most Americans or most Israeli's, but most people.

          "Former" Republicans never are. People prone to supporting profound injustice don't morph into people capable of telling right from wrong.

          by JesseCW on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 04:48:50 PM PDT

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          •  There really is no limit to the HR abuse Apartheid (0+ / 0-)

            Supporters are allowed to engage in.

            "Former" Republicans never are. People prone to supporting profound injustice don't morph into people capable of telling right from wrong.

            by JesseCW on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:49:30 PM PDT

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    •  That 'widespread support' seems pretty fragile (3+ / 0-)
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      •  Please don't confuse two very different things-- (0+ / 0-)

        the basically universal support in Israel for taking action, on the one hand, and the split in opinion, on the other, on whether Israel should have accepted the truce terms. If the truce holds, then Bibi's numbers will go up. If not, they will probably go down more and imperil his coalition. Time will tell. If the truce turns into a real peace deal where Gaza/Hamas is demilitarized and the border is opened to commerce and normalized relations, then Bibi will get a lot of credit, except, of course, here at Daily Kos.

        •  If there were normal relations (2+ / 0-)
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          Bibi would get a lot of credit from me, and most others here.

          The fact is, "normal relations" aren't on his radar. Bibi and his dishonest brokering are the greatest obstacle to peace that I know of. He'll say whatever he needs to say, while the settlements keep expanding. He is a liar.

          … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

          by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 01:56:46 PM PDT

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  •  I suspect that al-Sisi is quite pleased... (4+ / 0-)
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    He managed effectively to 1) sideline the US, France, Britain, Qatar and Turkey, 2) marginalize Hamas and 3) refuse additional responsibility for Gaza, all at the very small expense of "opening" Rafah, the conditions on which are not yet clear.

    Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

    by angry marmot on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:14:27 AM PDT

  •  I hope that the blockade is broken (7+ / 0-)

    but I doubt that it will happen. The last thing Israel wants to see is Gaza building its economy and capacity.  Slow death by strangulation is the preferred method.

    … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

    by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:27:19 AM PDT

    •  The blockade is supposed to let through (1+ / 0-)
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      Humanitarian and construction supplies (for rebuilding), according to a news story I heard on NPR yesterday.

      That port could be lined up for months and months with all the construction supplies they'll need.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:00:01 AM PDT

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    •  Or they could continue to waste those materials (1+ / 0-)
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      By building more tunnels whose purpose is to perpetuate acts of terrorism, instead of building quality infrastructure that benefits all Palestinains.

      •  An economy has been created (3+ / 0-)
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        wherein building tunnels makes more economic sense than building infrastructure.

        Let's alter the rules, so that building infrastructure makes sense again.

        It's not hard.

        … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

        by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 02:00:07 PM PDT

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  •  What this conflict should have taught combatants (5+ / 0-)

    is that there is no military solution to their predicament, without descending into genocide.  Even when the IDF's military superiority gives Israel almost total dominance, Israel can't apply all of its power without provoking a furious international response that would impose rouge state status on Israel.

    Netanyahu remains committed to his Greater Israel project in actions if not words. Bibi and Likud are determined to protect their cherished goal of a Greater Israel by avoiding any serious peace negotiations on a framework agreement. To do so they can be counted to conduct themselves as unscrupulously as they have in the past, even resorting to  provoking violent conflicts (like the one we've just seen) to evade serious negotiations. Bibi and Likud want their occupation to continue indefinitely while they build more "Facts on the Ground" as aggressively as they can.

    The US enables all of this.  

    "The Democrats and the Republicans are equally corrupt where money is concerned. It's only in the amount where the Republicans excel." ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 09:55:21 AM PDT

    •  Israel's founding myth (3+ / 0-)

      centers on "Making the Desert Bloom", and the idea of "A Land Without People, for a People Without a Land".

      The application of power to secure the idea of Greater Israel has completely undermined these founding myths. The image now will be of adult settlers throwing rocks at little girls trying to walk to school. Death, persecution, harassment, sabotage.... all are a part of Israel's  founding legacy. It will inherit the reputation it deserves.

      Israel will be remembered as "A light among nations", except that the "light" referred to will be Israeli settlers burning the crops of the innocent.

      … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

      by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 10:17:47 AM PDT

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  •  I'm in agreement 100% with the last sentence (1+ / 0-)
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    of the diary.

  •  Do people that support firing rockets into (0+ / 0-)

    civilian areas with the intent to kill civilians consider their targets as "human beings"?  One must assume so since the intent is to kill the children, women, and elderly civilians under their attacks.

    A vast majority of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip – 88.9 percent - are in favor of rocket fire on Israel, a new poll shows
    link

    "Stay close to the candles....the staircase can be treacherous" (-8.38,-8.51)

    by JNEREBEL on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 10:05:59 AM PDT

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