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The GOP's worst fears. IMPEACH!
All indications are that the White House is preparing something big on immigration, some kind of relief for the millions being deported under current policy. The immigration reform community is certainly talking positive, and given the refusal of Republicans to move on the issue, administrative relief is the only option left.

Republicans like Sen. Marco Rubio, who used to be okay on immigration until he was reminded that he's a Republican, have already started warning the administration not to do anything, or else ... or else what? Well, we know what. Or else Republicans won't have any choice but to impeach, right?

And therein lies the GOP's dilemma. For Obama and the Democrats, moving on immigration reform is both good policy and good politics—mobilizing a key constituency on an issue with broad popular support. For Republicans, however, it is an anathema, maybe worse even than Obamacare because as far as they are concerned, immigration reform is akin to making more Democrats. Even worse, they're brown Democrats.

Now we've had Republicans spend the last few months browbeating their caucus into shutting the hell up about impeachment, understanding the electoral damage they suffer from such talk. But Obama slows down the deportation rate? Forget it, there isn't a Republican strategist in the world who will be able to shut that impeachment thing down.

And that's where Democrats win a second AND third time.

They win because voters don't like Republicans talking about impeachment. Or throwing temper tantrums threatening a government shutdown. It makes Republicans look crazy, further solidifying the stereotype of the fringe conservative. It's the reason Republicans have worked so hard to dampen such talk.

But Democrats also win because the Right-wing reaction, and the hysterical impeachment shrieking, will further motivate our base into action. Remember, conservatives are already revved up. Their demographics reliably vote, ours don't. But nothing creates a rally-round-the-flag effect than a loud and aggressive enemy.

So in addition to being good policy and good politics, Obama's expected executive order may end up being the Democrats' best GOTV tool of the cycle. That would be quite the win-win-win.

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  •  Ferguson + Rally Around Uzi's for Kids + Impeach (28+ / 0-)

    Over Immigration = the GOP has become the Klan ... great image to portray right before an election.

    "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

    by We Shall Overcome on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:09:59 AM PDT

    •  It's that "run to the Right for the base" (10+ / 0-)

      and generally forget about running back to the middle (h/t Nixon) that will spell the end for the GOP in its current form.

      Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
      I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
      —Spike Milligan

      by polecat on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:13:51 AM PDT

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      •  It sure is doing a lot of damage to the country in (7+ / 0-)

        these long running death throes. "End of the GOP" has been with us a long time and, actually, it has died because the TP/GOP beast that killed it is truly something else. It is much more like the hooded KKK that was all over this country back in the early part of the 20th century, the one that marched thousands down Pennsylvania avenue.
        This is what lots of that base wants to "get back to" in reality. In its death the GOP, one that once could come together on national issues, has turned poisonous and borderline treasonous when we hear secessionist talk and threats of armed rebellion against lawful federal authority.

        Anyone thinking of sitting out this November's election really needs to  concentrate on just what Edmund Burke was talking about in terms of "good men" doing nothing.

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

        by pelagicray on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:04:19 AM PDT

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        •  They're not all like the Ku Klux Klan. I have (1+ / 0-)
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          Facebook friends who would be horrified by any Ku Klux Klan comparison.
          One in particular is a total enigma to me: he's not racist (really not); he's got a doctorate in a scientific field and is not a climate change or evolution denier -- often posts good things on scientific findings; he liked a comment I made supporting women's reproductive rights. And personally he's a kind and honest person. Yet he just posted a quote from Ayn Rand and often reposts tea party stuff about our freedoms being trampled. (I've never seen a racist post or repost from him).
          He views himself as libertarian yet votes Republican which means voting for people who would limit the personal liberty he extolls.
          Mainly what I see that he has in common with the other tea partiers is gun stuff. They all just looovvveee guns and that seems to drive their politics more than anything else. He hasn't posted anything on the 9-year-old girl who accidentally killed her instructor on the gun range but my bet is that he'd say something about the parents and the instructor not taking proper care rather than anything critical of a gun culture that "inspires" a child to want to shoot an Uzi.

          While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

          by Tamar on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:16:25 AM PDT

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          •  Maybe he doesn't realize the roots of the Tea Part (1+ / 0-)
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            Party ... I have friends that spout that stuff too, and I have to think they don't put it together were that "thinking" comes from.

            "Looking back over a lifetime, you see that love was the answer to everything." — Ray Bradbury

            by We Shall Overcome on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 02:32:33 PM PDT

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      •  asdf (1+ / 0-)
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        polecat

        It's that

        "run to the Right to win over for the GOP base"
        that is destroying the Dems too.

        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

        by enhydra lutris on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:52:46 AM PDT

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  •  Good nt (10+ / 0-)

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:10:35 AM PDT

  •  Does everyone remember the 2006 elections? (23+ / 0-)

    Does everyone remember what the Republicans' big issue was in those elections?

    It was immigration. Remember the big immigration-reform rallies in Chicago, and how the Republicans all freaked out about them?

    They thought they were going to ride that issue to an Election Day victory.

    Not so much, as it turned out.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:11:38 AM PDT

  •  i'm happy with that (11+ / 0-)


    we need a good election this fall, and if this is what it takes... then go for it.  I want to see Sarah Palin's, Mitch McConnell's, and John Boehner's faces all turn purple.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:11:59 AM PDT

  •  The notion of criminalizing one's predecessor (4+ / 0-)
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    TexDem, hbk, kay3295, Matt Z

    will occur to the GOP in 3..2..1..

    But for now, the entire Impeachment process (and important one to be sure) has now been turned into a political side-show.

    And the ones that really need to be impeached (certain Justices that shall remain nameless), will be ignored.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:13:00 AM PDT

    •  Maybe he should beat them to the punch (4+ / 0-)

      and have Holder bring Bush/Cheney to trial for torture and illegal wiretapping while he's at it. Republicans will be dialed up to 11 for the immigration thing anyway, so how could they possibly get any crazier?

      It would completely let the air out of their impeachment balloon, which would just shock the hell out of them. Pinheaded teahadist heads exploding all across this great country of ours. Pop pop pop. Could you imagine how gobsmacked they'd be if Democrats went on the offensive for once?

      Now that would be a great day.

  •  Playing with fire. (7+ / 0-)

    Perhaps, on both sides.
    The GOP has pretty well decided that if they can not win at the ballot box, they are willing to use all means necessary to achieve their ends - to hell with democracy.

    If the GOP's nuttiest reply in the way we expect them to, then yes, this could be a midterm winner for Democrats.  

    But if we don't hold the Senate - the Republicans will carry through with their threats - and what do we do then?  

    How does a Democracy continue to function when one side refuses to let the majority rule?

    I'll put on my glasses.... and tell you how sweet your ass is. (w/ apologies to Señor Bega)

    by mHainds on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:14:09 AM PDT

  •  If someone can find a way to (20+ / 0-)

    translate this into Latino's registering and voting in Texas, then we win for sure.

    "Moon landing was real. Evolution exists. Tax cuts lose revenue. The research has shown this a thousand times. Enough already." - Austan Goolsbee

    by anonevent on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:14:11 AM PDT

    •  An important point... (2+ / 0-)
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      "And now we know that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob." -- FDR

      by Mogolori on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:40:50 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly, and thus far (6+ / 0-)

      I've heard zero regarding any sort of large, well funded democratic effort to register the two million unregistered Latino voters in Texas.

      Just doesn't make sense. One would think this is a no brainer.

      "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

      by Superpole on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:50:02 AM PDT

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      •  Battleground Texas? (2+ / 0-)
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        Battleground Texas

        MSNBC has a good but dated article.

        Actual coverage of their efforts is hard to find, but a few thousand people like this will make a real difference.

        Brachman said he could not immediately access the number of voters the group’s volunteers have registered in Hidalgo County. Calls to the Hidalgo County Elections Department seeking the number of new registered voters — by Battleground Texas or otherwise — were not returned. Chavez struggled to estimate how many people she’s personally registered, but thought it was probably a three-digit number.
        It should be noted that these kinds of efforts and results before Labor Day are unusual.  My personal experience is highly aligned with conventional wisdom in this respect.

        -7.75 -4.67

        "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

        There are no Christians in foxholes.

        by Odysseus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 10:46:26 AM PDT

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    •  Out of all the Ferguson misery one good thing may (5+ / 0-)

      be coming. There does seem to be a new emphasis, some straight talk from elders too, about registering and voting as a prevention of the Ferguson sickness of a government that in no way looks like its citizens.

      I've been pounding that for some time, as in this about how we give away control of our lives and more recently, specifically after Ferguson, our ass backwards view of elections in which time after time people turn out to put someone far, far away into the least influential government in their daily lives, the White House, while leaving the down ticket locals blank or just completely sitting out those local and state elections. You know those. They are the ones that put a crook or racist or bully into the police chief's job or the judge that you are most likely to see or the registrar that can make your future vote difficult.

      I hope a new civil rights era of action at the ballot box—after some have died to get that in the old civil rights era—is sweeping "black America" like a firestorm.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:17:20 AM PDT

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  •  Rich Republicans vs Poor Republicans (3+ / 0-)
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    The Nose, mconvente, IT Professional

    Rich Republicans love unlimited immigration.  More competition for low-wage jobs, fewer unions.

    Better yet, it's unlimited immigration of social conservatives from places where abortion is illegal, homophobia is widespread and domestic violence is pretty much legal.

    "states like VT and ID are not 'real america'" -icemilkcoffee

    by Utahrd on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:16:06 AM PDT

    •  That's one, simplistic way to look at it. (0+ / 0-)

      But the numbers don't bear out.

      If they did, places like Cleveland and Detroit, with in influx of west Africans, central Americans and Arabs would be conservative bastions and they are not.

  •  Obama's Term Will Run Out... (0+ / 0-)

    If the republicans continue to function the way they have ineffectively governed for the last five and half years. After all they are republicans.

    "Never before has it been so hard for the rich to become poor, or for the poor to become rich." Senate Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell (R,Ky)

    by wild hair on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:16:27 AM PDT

  •  I'm NOT worried about what republicans... (18+ / 0-)

    will do. I'm worried about what Dems might not do. I for one, will support any positive action on immigration at this point...I live in So. Cal where it is needed and I can out yell and rally, any bagger.

  •  It's obvious that hysterical overreaction will (0+ / 0-)

    hurt GOP, but there's absolutely nothing to be done.  Hysterical overreaction is what the GOP depends on for turnout.  It can't be controlled.  It's too important.

    Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

    by Inland on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:25:31 AM PDT

  •  This isn't the slam dunk you're claiming it is.... (14+ / 0-)

    Sure...by and large, the American people are sick of the GOP's shit and would moan at yet another threat against the one person who seems to actually care about governing.

    On the other hand, we've got a half-dozen Senate seats that are effectively a coin toss in predominantly white states in an off year election. Is the threat of impeachment enough to motivate the coalition of the unenthused to the ballot box...or is the net result of going big on making life better for brown people a motivator for the left behind Caucasians...aka the Reagan Democrats to vote against the D in NC, IA, LA, AK, AR, etc?

    I don't know the calculus, but I'm not convinced Obama is doing this to help preserve the Senate. Maybe its worth it to go big now while there is still a Congressional firewall and put the GOP in a catch 22 of their own making. It would certainly create a new narrative other than "throw the bums out." I support it for policy and humanitarian reasons, but the politics are a short-term mixed bag.

    •  I completely agree with your comment - (7+ / 0-)
      Those summer town halls have provided lawmakers a first-hand glimpse of growing discontent among Americans over U.S. immigration policy. Seventy percent of Americans - including 86 percent of Republicans - believe undocumented immigrants threaten traditional U.S. beliefs and customs, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted in mid-July. Reuters

      Conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less. E.J. Dionne

      by blueyescryinintherain on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:46:57 AM PDT

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    •  Yeah, he's not doing this for politics (1+ / 0-)
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      suzq

      There was an article in the Washington Post yesterday that said ALL Democratic Senators in close races were saying they were against this, and Schumer and Durbin have gingerly been telling Obama to delay.

      His calculation for doing this is the same as his calculation for the EPA Regs, which also weren't helpful to Democratic Senators. He's in legacy building mode, and that's fine by me.

    •  There's also the timing of this. (1+ / 0-)
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      IT Professional

      So, the sooner the better.  Let the topic burn itself out by October and maybe by November, something else will have replaced it.

  •  Use Ferguson MO to GOTV (6+ / 0-)

    While the immigration issue and Republican reaction can and should help, it seems to me there should a coordinated campaign to use Ferguson to remind people "This is what happens when you don't vote." A majority Black town with a White, Republican mayor and 94% White police force is the perfect illustration of why people need to come out and vote.

    "This is what happens when you don't vote" with pictures from Ferguson should be our rallying cry this November (and beyond).

  •  a friend's caseworker is hopeful and advising him (2+ / 0-)
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    88kathy, suzq

    to pause on further paperwork until Labor Day.
    One of the issues she believes includes streamlining/ eliminating the some of the burdensome steps and fees with work permits.
    Either way this is a win-win-win for everybody but Republicans.

    "If men were angels, no government would be necessary." James Madison, Federalist #51

    by history first on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:29:49 AM PDT

  •  What,... (0+ / 0-)

    ...no lawsuit?  Or maybe they could just amend the current one.

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:31:11 AM PDT

  •  "Obama plays 18 holes of golf"... (4+ / 0-)
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    The Nose, jasan, CJB2012, terranova108

    ...Boehner threatens impeachment. Obama goes on vacation. Boehner has a cow. Obama uses Executive powers to get something, anything done. Boehner sues him in Court. Even after he saw what happened to his buddy Eric Cantor in the election, Boehner still digs in heels and refuses to budge or give an inch. Time after time he cries like a whiny crybaby how he's so concerned about America. As if his tears alone could turn back the hands of time. Elections have consequences. They lost. We won. But he has opposed everything our president has stood for and fought for. FROM. DAY. ONE!

    "I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way." John Paul Jones

    by ImpeachKingBushII on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:35:01 AM PDT

  •  That's what you call a win, win for Dems. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  c'mon repugnants (1+ / 0-)
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    kay3295

    i dare you impeach obama i double dare you, all talk and no walk scum bags, make my day as one of your stupid hero's would say.

  •  WHY, in Heaven's name, is everyone so all-fired (1+ / 0-)
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    red rabbit

    worked up about "Impeachment"?  Have you ever had a Traffic Ticket?  That's all "Impeachment" really is, to begin with.  It is the equivalent of a "Traffic-Ticket", issued by the House of Representatives, citing the President for "high crimes and misdemeanors" - such as the Governmental equivalent of "doing 35 MPH in a 20 MPH School Zone".

    The President takes this "Traffic-Ticket" to the Senate -  sitting as "Judges, Jury, and Executioners" - and "pleads his case".  The Senate, as "Court", comes back with a "verdict" - TWICE in our history so far! - equivalent to "Not Guilty", for whatever reason.  And, it's "back to the salt mines", so to speak.

    THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING "CRIMINAL" IN IMPEACHMENT; AND NO "CRIMINAL" PENALTIES ARE TO BE FOUND THERE.  In the totally unlikely event that the Senate even takes time to make a "big thing" out of the "Traffic-Ticket", and votes "Guilty", THE SOLE AND ONLY EFFECT IS, REMOVAL FROM OFFICE  Now, a local Traffic Court, in reality, can, and does, impose fines, even jail terms.  BUT, that's NOT possible with "Impeachment".

    So, the Teabaghead/Republicans propose to give the President a "Traffic-Ticket", for doing his job in a way they don't like.  They DO NOT control the Senate - and most probably can't, and won't, even after the Mid-Term Elections.   So?  So what?  

    Just another Teabaghead/Republican waste of time, energy, and effort that they really ought to put into TRYING TO DO THEIR JOB AS LEGISLATORS.

  •  Go Big or Go Home (7+ / 0-)
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    Zinman, The Nose, lcbo, CJB2012, IM, suzq, FindingMyVoice

    Obama might as well do something big now.  He has the upcoming election providing a significant backstop to the GOP whining.  The GOP will be crying about anything Obama does, and they will also be whining about inaction and "lack of leadership", so he might as well go big and make a splash.  Aside from the good that can be done by major administration action on streamlining processing of immigrants and stopping deportations, there will be a significant amount of good done by the negative reaction to the public GOP freak-outs.  It's better to distract the GOP by moving on a topic that is popular among a majority of American citizens.  Don't let the GOP stake out their preferred position, keep them on the defense.

  •  All Men Are Equal (1+ / 0-)
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    terranova108

    The United States of America exists becasue of a document tjat, in the 18th century usage of the wprd 'men' to mean the entire  species Homo sapiens 'Declared' it axiomatic that all human beings had an equal right to life, liberty, nd the pursuit of happiness.  It does not say "all those born in the USA", it says "all men". It is therefore inconsistent with the existence of the USA that it can be illegal for a person born elsewhere who abides by the proper laws of the USA (i.e. those not inconsistent with the Declaration and the Constitution) should be denied residency and employment in the USA.
    I doubt that the INS should exists at all.

    I am one of the minority of US citizens who made a deliberate choice to be so, and endured the formalities imposed for the privilege. My own pursuit of happiness was gratified by exchanging the status of "subject" for that of "citizen".

    Furtheremore, a Pledge once given does not have to be repeated daily, or even annually.
    If ever my allegiance to the USA falters, my honor requires that I notify the representatives of its people.

    •  Just for the record, in the 18th Century the words (0+ / 0-)

      "man/men/mankind" did mean the entire species, Homo Sapiens in literary usage.  Today, we generally see reference to "human/humanity/human-kind/et.al.", as the way our culture reflects the ever increasing role of women in all areas.  Gender reference has become something of a quagmire for the 21st Century writer, as man, or woman, becoming a "Chair" plays merry hob with some aspects of Ontology, to say the least.  But, that's the price we pay for a "living language", I guess.

    •  We fought wars for this reason. (0+ / 0-)

      So to say only "born in America" demeans the sacrifice of brave men and women who fought to free Europe, Asia and the Middle East.

    •  You might read up a bit more on the Enlightenment (0+ / 0-)

      The concept of the "social contract" was a big deal.  While yes, the Declaration certainly did declare that all "men" were equal, those who wrote it were also extremely familiar with the premise that these "men" were equally free to deliberately form specific social contracts creating specific "states".  That is why we are the United States and not the United Men.  

  •  GOP's impeachment=GOP Self-Destruction (0+ / 0-)

    They can vote to impeach, and impeach him anytime (they probably have the votes), but without building the case they'll demonstrate their lawlessness, THUS, it's all over for them.  Nobody, not even conservatives, want a bunch of CRACKPOTS running things.

    80 % of Success is Just Showing Up!

    by Churchill on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:51:30 AM PDT

  •  In 1998, Clinton rallied the base following (1+ / 0-)
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    Odysseus

    the Starr Chamber and the Dems won seats in that Congressional election when the GOP had been expecting a big win.  I remember traveling through New England at the time and getting the sense that despite the press hype people were actually sick of Congress wasting everyone's time with impeachment over sex.  I wasn't at all surprised when the Dems ended up doing better than expected that year.

    This year, I sense that there is a plurality of voters who are sick of Congressional generated drama and all the anti-Obama talk and just want progress. Adding the immigration piece to the debate could help spur the turnout required to capture that plurality in terms of actual votes.  

    The key for Obama is timing. Does the polling indicate that there would be any backlash against something that will be painted as 'amnesty' by voters who are leaning Democratic or persuadable? Does someone like Mark Pryor, Mary Landrieu or Kay Hagen lose votes because of this?  Those are threshold questions in my view.

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    by khyber900 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:51:46 AM PDT

    •  I would tend to agree with this calculation (1+ / 0-)
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      askew

      However, I am tired of Dem Senators and Congress-critters as well.  Nothing is getting done because of Repub obstruction, understood, but Dems complaining about obstruction and not doing anything is also a problem.  The only person in the entire government that is actually earning their paycheck is President Obama, so I trust him to make his usually well-reasoned decisions.  

      If things turn out as they appear, with the Senate staying in Dem control (slightly) and the House staying Repub, then the next two years will be just like the last 4... which is to say, worthless at the Congressional level.  Then screw em', if the Dem candidate can't win a race on their own positions, then they will just be another feckless politician only concerned about being re-elected and getting money from their rich handlers.

      I would support President Obama no matter what, but I definitely support him on this move.  2014 midterms be damned, this country needs to move forward!  Besides, it can't possibly be as bad as 2010... right?

  •  it would be a stupid move (1+ / 0-)
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    buffie

    We need immigration reform but I do not think Obama issuing an exc. order is the answers nor do I think it will help Democrats in mid the terms.

    the best strategy is to threaten it few weeks before the mid terms, riel up GOP to act crazy and this may get Dems out.

    I find it utterly disgusting that Dems have to be fires up by an exec. order to vote. Everyone should be voting anyway. Democrats just need to get out and vote as keeping the Senate is critical.

  •  Even in TX (3+ / 0-)
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    Utahrd, suzq, bonch

      When talking with a Republican the other day - they made an interesting observation.   Wonder why the unemployment rate in TX didn't increase during the recession?   The majority of those working in Housing Industry were undocumented workers.  

         Makes sense - and yet the GOP doesn't dare to discuss it - as it was/is the wealthy Homebuilders in TX who were making tons of money off of these workers.

         

  •  Damn man, you have to admit (0+ / 0-)

    it is kind of funny watching these clowns give that blank stare when asked about the "I" word.  This is gonna be good.  Go big Mr. President, Go Big!

  •  On a separate but related issue, I understand (0+ / 0-)

    Obama is also looking for a significant end run around Congress on climate change.  Combined with immigration, the entire Republican House might just have a collective heart attack.

    "The truest measure of compassion lies not in our service of those on the margins, but in our willingness to see ourselves in kinship with them." Father Gregory Boyle, Homeboy Industries

    by Mr MadAsHell on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:10:45 AM PDT

  •  The ability of Republicans to send the public i... (1+ / 0-)
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    pelagicray

    The ability of Republicans to send the public into a racist frenzy should never be underestimated.

    •  And making shit up or outright lying is not a (2+ / 0-)
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      skod, Coss

      problem at all. See "An anti-immigration group’s imaginary scapegoats for some outrageous examples of a lying or delusional mayor speaking before an anti immigration group.

      “The vast majority of them were claiming to be between 14 and 17 years old, but there were people with graying temples, hair around the temples, there were people with more wrinkles than I have around the eyes,” said Kennedy, who is in her early 50s. “A lot of them,” she added, “were illiterate not only in English but also in Spanish and spoke a tribal dialect, a mountain dialect.”
      then
      But upon closer inspection, Kennedy’s tale of woe doesn’t quite add up. Those kids with wrinkles and gray hair? She admitted she hadn’t seen them herself. And the “surge” of unaccompanied minors Kennedy has felt? It predates the actual surge at the border, which has been building for a couple of years but exploded only in 2014.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

      by pelagicray on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:23:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Excellent summary (0+ / 0-)

    You've accurately and succinctly summarised the reasons the President is interested in an executive order on immigration reform at this particular time.

    Dammit Jim, I'm a lawyer, not a grammarian. So sue me.

    by Pi Li on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:23:50 AM PDT

  •  For once, when a Dem leader accomplishes something (2+ / 0-)
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    terranova108, bonch

    I want he/she to look into a camera and proudly say "this achievement was accomplished because of Democrats and in spite of virulent Republican opposition.  Don't you ever forget which party has your side when you step into a voting booth."

    No more "we came together to accomplish this goal" bullshit.

    I really hope these reports are true, not only because it's the right thing to do, but because it certainly helps politically as well.

    "Give me a lever long enough... and I shall move the world." - Archimedes

    by mconvente on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:38:05 AM PDT

  •  Timing (0+ / 0-)

    Anybody have any idea on timing for the theorized immigration action?  I'm thinking after the budget bru-ha-ha in Sept.  Early enough to affect the election, but late enough to help people forget any concessions in the budget.

  •  Bring it on (0+ / 0-)

    C'mon repubs, where's your backbone? You want to impeach the president over anything, something, esepcially for having the temerity to win elections while being BLACK. You droolers just can't handle it. So please, try and impeach. Do it already. Stop wasting time.

  •  This is what I'm expecting...not just impeachme... (2+ / 0-)
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    This is what I'm expecting...not just impeachment talk, but a nationwide-Arizona-style SB1070 proposal. That is going to make a huge Latino participation inevitable, because a "papers/please" legislation affects everyone.

    Definitely this is going to make Hispanics into a political Mass Destruction Weapon.

  •  Do it because it right. (1+ / 0-)
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    IM

    And then blame crongress. They won't pass a bill. Resources are limited. So the president is slowing down deporting hard working, tax paying, long time residents. And putting those resources to more border security.
     Get popcorn watch Republican explode.

  •  GOP will say: We were "forced" to impeach/shutdown (1+ / 0-)
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    IM

    The party of personal responsibility can NEVER take any, or admit they they have exactly NOTHING to offer but bs, obstructionism, spins, distortions...

    •  Obama has a comeback for that (0+ / 0-)

      Remember when Boehner said the president should do something about the border without Congress?

      •  True, but given GOP's bad faith, it won't matter (0+ / 0-)

        Just look at the ENTIRE birther premise: despite having a American mother, if Obama was born outside the US, he could not be President of the USA.

        Same people who voted for McCain, born in Panama. Same people willing to vote for Cruz, born in Canada.

        Conservatives value two things above others: blind partisanship and double standards. Therefore, they won't care about what Boehner said!

  •  Hey let's make some more Democrats! (0+ / 0-)

    Seems to me that POTUS has the power of amnesty. Previous Prez have done it. It will be multiple generations before Hispanics EVER vote for the GOP again.

    "A biased mind cannot grasp reality." -- The 14th Dalai Lama

    by vlyons on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 10:43:45 AM PDT

  •  Sooo. thought experiment (1+ / 0-)
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    miguelon

    Say that we lose the Senate. It's a strong possibility but not a foregone conclusion.

    Say we lose the Senate and they keep the House.  Do they have the "testicular fortitude" (as ex-gov jailbird Rod Blagojevich said) to ACTUALLY impeach and convict Obama of some bogus crime?

    Do they really want to remove the first Black president from office?

    If so, then how far over 400 electoral votes does Hillary get in the general election?

    Proverbs 29:7 “The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.”

    by nightsweat on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:01:06 AM PDT

    •  You need 67 votes in the Senate. (1+ / 0-)
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      Odysseus

      If they win the Senate, they won't control 67 votes.

      But even if they did.....

      Hello, President Biden!  So nice to make your acquaintance.  As you were saying on Immigration.....

  •  How long is it going to be before the (1+ / 0-)
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    Proud Liberal Dem

    American public, not the lunatic fringe, tells the Pubbies to either start impeachment proceedings or shut up about impeachment?

    •  They really need to. If Repubs have a case to m... (0+ / 0-)

      They really need to. If Repubs have a case to make, they need to make it regardless of how it looks politically. (That's their job, right?). Otherwise, they just need to shut up and stop (not!) talking about it IMHO

  •  Win Win Win let's hope so. (1+ / 0-)
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    Odysseus

    It would be fantastic if Obama did something substantive and dramatic here. Let's see:'

    1. Implement progressive policy on immigration

    2. Watch Republicans throw a tantrum and rev up impeachment talk.

    3. Get the base energized to vote in Nov

    That would be awesome.

    Mr President - make it so.

    "The future belongs to those who give the next generation reason for hope." -- Pierre Teilhard de Chardi

    by Frank In WA on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:12:45 PM PDT

  •  A good change to immigration & naturalization law: (1+ / 0-)
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    IT Professional

    As long as there's high unemployment, even in STEM fields (Science, Technology, Engineering & Math), companies that sponsor H-1B visas should pay into their state Unemployment Insurance either 20% of the total salaries they're paying their H-1B workers or the max UI benefit times number of H-1B workers employed - whichever is larger.  

    This would make it more economical to hire domestic workers who have most of the necessary job skills and providing job training ... you know, like American companies used to do when they actually valued good employees.  

    Saying American companies require the 'best minds' is a specious argument - as if 'best minds' exist and can be identified in job searches - these companies just want a glut of cheap STEM labor so they can treat STEM workers like migrant laborers while engorging the bank accounts of executives.  

    -- illegitimi non carborundum

    by BadBoyScientist on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:13:00 PM PDT

  •  when Democrats act like/Democrats... (0+ / 0-)

    for the love of humanity please protect the light in all that may glow and try not to make anyone else's path more cruel than it would be on its own.

    by renzo capetti on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:33:07 PM PDT

  •  Let's hope the Prez really will go big. (0+ / 0-)

    It would about time, and maybe keep his attention away from becoming mired "again?" in the Middle East, a losing proposition for the USA.

    I think, therefore I am. I think.

    by mcmom on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:41:20 PM PDT

  •  Please Mr. President ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... go for it all the way at full throttle.

  •  As long as what he does is within the scope of ... (0+ / 0-)

    As long as what he does is within the scope of his authority (and President Obama won't do anything wild), Repubs will just look stupid if they start squawking about impeachment, esp if they don't have a good reason and also because they swore up and down that only Dems have been talking impeachment to gin up fundraising dollars.

  •  I'm going to take a sick day after the Presiden... (0+ / 0-)

    I'm going to take a sick day after the President announces this and spend the day listening to right wing hate radio. If you've ever wondered whether an exploding head makes a sound, you may just have a chance to find out!

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