After reading this whole Reverend Warren fiasco, I just have one question for President-Elect Obama. Why is Reverend Wright too controversial, but Reverend Warren is fine and dandy. I'm going to put there so-called controversial quotes out there for everyone to read, and you tell me, what makes Warren so much less controversial then Reverend Wright.
Reverend Wright
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye."
Reverend Warren
He's traveled more than 9,000 miles to help Rwanda become the first "purpose driven nation," but Rick Warren says it wasn't his idea to go there at first.
"We didn't choose Rwanda. They chose us," he said. Warren is the bestselling author of the Christian book "Purpose Driven Life."
Read some craziness from some of Warren's Acolytes in Rwanda
Is anybody else wondering why Rick Warren is so interested in working in Africa? Is it the bodies dropping from disease, or the bodies dropping into his colonial outposts in the war for people's souls.
Reverend Wright
"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary would never know that. Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person."
Reverend Warren
No. ... We all have biological predispositions. ... You say because I have natural impulses to the same sex, I shouldn’t have to reign them in. Well I disagree. I think that’s part of maturity, I think that’s part of delayed gratification, I think that’s part of character.
But a civil union is not a civil right. Nowhere in the constitution can you find the "right" to claim that any loving relationship identical to marriage. It's just not there.
Reverend Wright
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
Reverend Warren
Much of this debate is not really about civil rights, but a desire for approval. The fact that 70% of blacks supported Prop 8 shows they don't believe it is a civil rights issue. Gays in California already have their rights. What they desire is approval and validation from those who disagree with them, and they are willing to force it by law if necessary. Any disapproval is quickly labeled "hate speech. Imagine if we held that standard in every other disagreement Americans have? There would be no free speech. That's why, on the traditional marriage side, many saw Prop 8 as a free speech issue: Don't force me to validate a lifestyle I disagree with. It is not the same as marriage." And many saw the Teacher's Union contribution of $3 million against Prop 8, as a effort to insure that children would be taught to approve what most parents disapprove of.]
Reverend Wright
"Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!...We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God." (sermon)
Reverend Warren
I could not vote for an atheist because an atheist says, 'I don't need God,'" Warren preached, according to the Los Angeles Times. "They're saying, 'I'm totally self-sufficient by [myself].' And nobody is self-sufficient to be president by themselves. It's too big a job."
I believe that is religious discrimination??? What about a Muslim, they don't believe in YOUR GOD???
And God is realllllly necessary to be president...yup yup. Ya know, cuz God watched Dubya's back ALLLLL the time.
Reverend Wright
"In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns."
Reverend Warren
"Thousands died in the Inquisition; millions died under Mao, and under Stalin and Pol Pot. There is a home for atheists in the world today—it’s called North Korea.
Reverend Wright
"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."
Reverend Warren
This is so even though Warren is entirely orthodox when it comes to the culture wars: Like other evangelicals, he opposes abortion, gay marriage, stem-cell research, human cloning, and euthanasia. What's more, on the eve of last year's Presidential election, he wrote that those five moral issues are "nonnegotiable" and "not even debatable." Leaving no doubt about his political leanings--Bush allied himself with evangelicals on all those issues--Warren urged pastors to "encourage every Christian you know to vote" and "pray for godly leaders to be elected." Today, Warren says the letter was an anomaly. "I've never done that in any previous election," he says. But he doesn't disavow the message.
So there ya have it, someone who's not going to negotiate or even debate anyting about gay marriage, stem-cell research, abortion, cloning, or euthanasia. So I guess then if he's going to join our coalition, that means WE are the ones who will have to compromise. The people who gave Barack Money, who gave our hours, who gave our votes to him. As an agnostic liberal, I just want to ask President-Elect Obama, what was more controversial about Wright attacking our power structure in this country, then Warren attacking small minorities in this country. Is it numbers? Is it that it's ok for someone who has more supporters to attack someone with less supporters than the reverse? If so, then wow, this world has changed a lot.