Why do Obama and obamacons get to say that 20% of the delegates can't vote? The rules say that superdelegates can vote their choice, but you want it over before the vote and, oh yes, take the vote away from nearly a thousand delegates. If we are going to change the rules for you, let's give Hillary her wins in Fla and Michigan.
Let's take the Texas delegate "win" away from Obama since Hillary beat him. When the people properly voted, they gave it to her by 100,000 votes, 51-47% If the caucus "tells the will of the people" then the people who voted in the day time would have given the majority to Obama by 400,000 votes, given his caucus percentages. Didn't happen because when more Democrates vote, he gets less than the 65% he sometimes gets in caucuses.
Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Michigan,(2 we barely lost and 2 we barely won last election) all have to get the chance to vote for a candidate they like or they vote Republican. Reagan,Reagan, Bush, Bush Bush. for instance, all Republicans who won with Democratic votes. There were not enough Republicans to give them close to a win without rank and file Democrats who were dissatisfied with the nominee the primary voters chose.
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If the Credentials Committee accepts the appeal of Michigan and Florida. and seats the delegations, then the magic number is not 2025, but becomes 2208. Neither candidate can get to the necessary number without superdelegates' votes. There is no 'won most states contest" nor "won the most 'pledged' delegates contest". Not unless a lot of rules get changed before the end of the election cycle.
That attitude won't win if most of the states will be lost in the general by any democratic candidate. Even if the state becomes less Republican, they start with a huge advantage in many of the sates where Obama won among the Dems in the caucus.Being less Republican won't make them give their electoral votes to Obama in November.
The states Hillary has won are three types: the ones most likely to vote for whomever the Democratic candidate is. Maybe New York, Massachusetts and Illinois. ( Not South Carolina or Mississippi, for sure.)And California elects Republicans for Governor and gave us Reagan.
But industrial states become red in the general election, if the nominee is not generating confidence in the rank and file Democrats who do not tend to vote in the primaries.Superdelegates are supposed to know that and help the party win with their votes.
Less reliable Democratic states: They have enough Democrats to win but the Dems have voted against the Democratic nominee in five of the last seven general elections.Kerry barely won MI, NJ,NH, PA
States not usually in play for a democrat.
Hillary won several states that went to Bush weakly last time:Ar,NV,NM,Fl,Oh and Hillary won some Bush carried comfortably: Texas, Tennessee, Oaklahoma
Then there are electoral votes. Look at how many votes each state sends to the electoral college to elect the president.
If Clinton wins i/3 of the states, the ones she has won already + one, she can win and Obama wins the rest of the states and DC and Guam etc. he can't win as many electoral votes as she has.
Hillary has already won states with 263 electoral votes. It takes 270 to win the Presidency. If she wins one more state...Pennsylvania has 21 electoral votes. That would give Hillary the win with 14 to spare. Obama, with all of the states he has already won in his "won the most states contest" has won states with only 202 electoral votes and most will be carried by Republicans in November.
Whoever told Obama and his people and some of the talking heads that the most states wins something was misinformed or misliading on purpose to give the appearance of winning, just like pretending that only the pledged delegates should vote, supers could be told how to vote and the race was over before the votes were counted.
Nobody is elected as the nominee until the secret ballot at convention is recorded. Anybody can change their vote before then if circumstances change and they think the other candidate has a better chance to win the general or serve well in the job, not to mention be good for the down ticket Democrats. Since Obama cannot get the required votes before August, the race can't be legitimately ended. They can try to bully Hillary out or push her out or force her out. But she can't be voted out until August!
If Obama and all of the Obamo supporters and most of the media think she should be forced out of the race, it still is bullying the woman to leave when the nomonation has not been won from from her.
That is abusing the process, the rules and the woman and all of the Democrates who support her. If you think Obama is such a great candidated why can't he win legally and honorably?
If convention were today and only pledged votes counted as some have seemed to think would be fair, nobody would be nominated. You don't get the nomination by getting the most votes; you get it by getting over the threshhold, 2208 and nobody does that without supers.
Until somebody gets 2208 votes, it ain't over and people who try to make it over before then may be short changing the party with less than it could have this time.
If you are in the 'Over before it's over' school and 'I get to say when it's over' why didn't you want to end it last December?
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