I have an old friend. We were roommates in College and were very close. She seemed to be a Liberal back then! Later, she changed. She even sent back all my letters saying she never understood me. Anyway, I still love her (no matter what) and went on her page to wish her a happy birthday. I found this post from her and the one comment (from “Judy”) made me think maybe I could have an actual discussion with her. This discussion went on for a few days, but I had to end it because it was really emotionally draining for me. I want to post it here because I thought maybe you all could help me understand it. Did I waste my time talking with her? Or, like I said, at least I know where she is coming from? (I think she is living in fantasy land. And she makes a LOT of assumptions about others….) I had to hold my tongue because I REALLY wanted to argue with her, but my heart told me it wouldn’t do me any good. What do you think?
From Facebook:
FRIEND’S POST:
Posted by Hank Williams Jr.
“If you are offended by something then leave it alone. Cracker Barrel offends you, then eat somewhere else, but I like it so leave it alone. A statue offends you, then don’t go see it, but I like to see them as my history, so leave them alone. Don’t like meat, then eat vegetables but let me eat what I want to. Don’t like Gone With The Wind, then don’t watch it or read the book, but I like them, so leave them alone. I like worshipping God, but you are offended, so don’t go to church, but let me go. I read the Bible, but you are an atheist and want Bibles banned. So don’t read it, but don’t say I can’t. Leave it alone. You don’t like the names of military bases, but I do, so leave them alone and stay away from them. You don’t like the police force, then don’t call them when you are in trouble, but leave them alone so I feel safer having them.
Why are the things you want so much more important than what I want? Are your demands greater than my likes? Is it because you use intimidation, blackmail and force to get your way- that you do? Let’s make a deal. I will leave what you like alone and you leave what I like alone and the world will be a better place for everyone."
Copy And Paste if it so moves you to do so, but it’s exactly how I feel!! ENOUGH already people!!!WAKE UP AMERICA.
JUDY:
As a woman I would like to make decisions for my own body so leave me alone and make decisions about your own body.
OBSIDIA:
I've had an abortion. Should I be in jail? Should my doctor be in jail? It was my choice.
FRIEND:
why are we talking about jail here? My point is, it became a kind of birth control instead of a painful decision. Over the years people thought so little of a fetus' life that now abortions are done even when the baby can survive in the later trimester. The sad truth is that women are so accustomed now to a so-called right to choose (translation, right to abort) that even when we have immediately available scientific proof of baby's heartbeat, they do not recognize that there is another life now inside of them. That is my point, and it not only saddens me that we have lost so many precious lives, it is horrifying to think of the end of human civilization also.
OBSIDIA:
We are talking about jail because abortion is against the law in many states. Breaking the law means jailtime or worse. I knew I had a life inside of me. It broke my heart, but I decided to let it go. I believe in reincarnation, so I hoped the spirit would find another place in which to incarnate. And it did. I later met the person who was born to somebody else that I had let go. Not the ideal situation, but I claim my own body and with it, my own decisions as to when to give birth, or not.
Why speak of "the end of human civilization?" The Earth has plenty of people on it now....!
FRIEND:
I do not want to be right. But I worry about it.
OBSIDIA:
If you believe in reincarnation, you have nothing to worry about! Just do the best you can, and (as Jesus was reported to have said), "Judge not." Unless you are a Judge, of course. ??
FRIEND:
I think it is time for some common sense and science. Not "the science" simply science. Simply common sense. Today, abortions are handed out like birth control. The pregnant woman, if counseled and shown the life with beating heart inside of her, will allow the baby to be born. If you are concerned about laws, let's talk laws then. Sane and reasonable laws are called for. Why don't the pro-abortion folks say when a life begins? It is not a simple "it's my choice" thing when there is another life inside of you. The life inside of the mother has no voice.
OBSIDIA:
Life begins when the child is born. Late abortions are very rare and usually because the child's life is nonviable. Women need control over their own bodies. Nobody else has the right to tell them (us) what to do with our own bodies. It seems pretty "common sense" to me! (Of course, the more access women have to birth control, the less abortions are chosen.)
Just to let you know that I respect your right to believe whatever you choose to believe. I just don't think I (or anybody else who had an abortion) should be put into jail or punished by law. And most women believe this. Otherwise a woman is simply viewed as an incubator for a man's sperm.
FRIEND:
if a mother heard and saw the ultrasound of her pregnancy there would be evidence of the life inside of her. It is not logical and not scientific to say that life begins at birth. If we are talking about rare things, it is rare for a pregnancy to be due to rape or incest or threat to the mother's health. Most abortions today are done for a reason of convenience. Convenience!
you say you are concerned about jail time. Why? No woman has been jailed for this reason in the USA to my knowledge. It's high time for people to be reasonable about this abortion business. It IS a business too. So much money from baby parts mills like planned parenthood, it's abhorrent. It's not what I choose to believe...it is what is fact. I wish people especially women would stop with the narratives and fiction and stuff that just is not reality. I wish people would stop voting for Democrats.
OBSIDIA:
I believe in a woman's right to own her own body. That's never going to change. I'm concerned about jail because it is a real thing that is happening. Unless abortion is legalized, officially, then there is always the possibility that a woman will be jailed, or worse. Then we might as well go back to the witch-burning times. I know now where you are coming from, though, and I do appreciate your replies. Thank you.