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Following the comments in the recent diaries criticizing President Obama’s budget proposal in which he puts entitlement cuts on the table, it occurred to me that those defending his actions typically rely on a fairly circumscribed set of arguments.  In the interest of facilitating discussions, I hereby propose the following list of numbered excuses for those wishing to defend President Obama from criticism. Instead of writing sentences and paragraphs, all they need to do is refer to the actions under discussion and just list the relevant excuses by number.  Any additions to this list of short cuts are welcomed.

Excuse #1.    It’s Kabuki theater.
Excuse #2.    He’s playing n-dimensional chess. (where “n” = any number greater than 7)
Excuse #3.a. It’s a trial balloon.
Excuse #3.b. He hasn’t proposed it yet.
Excuse #3.c. It hasn’t happened yet.
Excuse #4.    It’s a trap for Republicans.
Excuse #5.    He’s smarter than you.
Excuse #6.    It’s the Republicans’ fault.
Excuse #7.    He’s not perfect.
Excuse #8.    Too bad he doesn’t meet your expectations.
Excuse #9.     Look at how much he’s accomplished.
Excuse #10.   He’s just being pragmatic.
Excuse #11.   He the adult in the room.
Excuse #12.   Obama.
Hope this helps!

12:49 PM PT: Adding a few additional excuses based on the comments.  Thanks to those who directly or indirectly suggested them:

Excuse #13.  He knows things we don't know.

Excuse #14.  He's better than Romney (or McCain).

Excuse #15.  This isn't what it appears to be.


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  •  4b (9+ / 0-)

    He knows the RePubs will refuse it
    ---------
    I had been hoping he had learned something.  sigh.

  •  this is a great idea, let's make sure (10+ / 0-)

    pesky facts don't harsh the buzz of Libertarian dystopians.  

    If you're not onboard with "It's hopeless!" you have no place here.  

    Nice of you to make that crystal clear.  

    I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

    by I love OCD on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 07:44:47 AM PDT

    •  This response may even require (20+ / 0-)

      a new instruction:

      #13 Say only nice things about the president or his fans will throw their toys and act like they own websites that they do not in fact own.

    •  Pesky facts... like Mr. Obama's OWN proposed (10+ / 0-)

      budget. Are you suggesting he has his fingers crossed behind his back?

      We respect the President enough to take him at his word.

      We also respect the historic accomplishments of the Democratic Party enough to fight back when they're threatened by a Democratic President.

      What response to these proposed cuts--cuts which we see as cold-hearted socially and inept politically--would be more appropriate in your view than loud consistent objections?

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:13:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Absolutely true! How we ever managed to (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
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        overlook his gutting of the safety net during his first term baffles me.  I mean, we're busy people, it's hard to harvest those pesky facts about prosecuting financial fraud, ditching DADT, undermining DOMA, expanding affordable healthcare, empowering small businesses, strengthening the EPA and OSHA, taking action on global warming, supporting women in their right to choose not to be baby factories, supporting the rights of the first nations.  Obviously the guy's a Manchurian Candidate with all those RW plaudits he reaps daily and the obvious non-liberal bent of his accomplishments.  

        From now on I vote Libertarian! " I've got mine, fuck you" is clearly the way to go in 21st Century America.

        I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

        by I love OCD on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:25:44 AM PDT

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        •  He's proposed this stuff over & over & over again. (8+ / 0-)

          It's entirely reasonable to suspect he actually wants it.

          All that's saved us from "entitlement reform" is the fact that the Thugs are still too stupid & stubborn to take yes for an answer. Personally, the charm of counting on teabagger intransigence to preserve what passes as the American safety net from the Grand Bargain of our Democratic President wore thin awhile back.

          YMMV, of course.

          When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

          by PhilJD on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:29:19 AM PDT

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        •  i take issue with a few of your proclamations: (12+ / 0-)

          prosecuting financial fraud? how many of the banskters have been prosecuted? matter of fact, most of the prosecuting i've seen from this Admin has come from prosecuting whistle blowers and busting pot dispensaries.

          undermining DOMA? not quite - not defending it anymore and stating that it is unconstitutional was an excellent step, but the court case that could result in the demise of DOMA was already in process by the time the pres did the above...

          expanding affordable healthcare? ummm no, expanding the ability to get private health insurance for pretty much the same high rates is what was done.

          just sayin...

          The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. ~George Orwell

          by poligirl on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 12:32:33 PM PDT

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          •  might i add... (8+ / 0-)

            that it took almost TWO F*CKING YEARS to stop defending doma...and even then we were deporting binational couples (their straight counter parts did fare the same)

            re: dadt, he only got off his ass when it was painfully safe to do so and he could have signed an EO as a stop gap unti legislative action could be completed (this would have avoided the destruction of 1800 military men an women's careers).

          •  It's hard to know facts when even (0+ / 0-)

            Progressives avoid them.  At least 10,000 prosecutions have occurred, are underway, or are in process once the investigations are complete.  Those that are complete have resulted in convictions.  This will happen when you do the job carefully.  Is the CEO of BoA in jail?  No, because what he did was legal at the time.  What's different today?  It's no longer legal, and if they get stupid in the future they bail their own asses out.  Somehow that strikes me as a fairly Progressive win.  

            The DOJ was defending DOMA until there were enough court opinions calling it unconstitutional to justify quitting.  The thing about rule of law is it binds you, no matter what your personal belief system is.  We hated Bush for ignoring laws he found annoying and we're angry at Obama for not doing the same because it's OUR opinion that counts?  How Tea Party is that?  They'll keep busting Medical Marijuana dispensaries until there are enough findings to support allowing states to make those decisions, or until the drug laws are changed federally.  That's what Democracy is about.

            Here's reality about healthcare.  Not enough votes for single-payer, too much public resistance to government health care.   Even Bernie Sanders admits that.  Not enough votes for a strong public option.  We could probably get that done in the next 4 years, since those who opposed it are now finding out their employers are fucking them over.  Maybe we could educate and activate instead of moaning and groaning?

            Some of your favorite whistle-blowers might just be con artists.  I noticed the DOJ hasn't gone after the whistle-blowers who told the truth about nuclear waste storage.  Or the gulf citizens who tell the truth about eyeless shrimp and tar balls after every storm.  Wasn't one of the whistle-blower diarists banned for lying?  

            Just a few thoughts to ponder.

            I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

            by I love OCD on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 01:39:12 PM PDT

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            •  10,000 prosecutions against loan officers (9+ / 0-)

              and the like. Low level cannon-fodder.

              Do you seriously maintain that clerk after clerk opted to break laws all on their own; that none of them were following company policy or responding to pressure from the bosses?

              That doesn't pass the laugh test.

              You're absolutely right about the rule of law though! That's why the torturers and their enablers are rotting in prison as we speak.

              Oh wait

              Don't even pretend there wasn't enough evidence against Cheney, Bush, Yoo, all of them, to initiate criminal investigations.

              Is Thomas Drake a con artist?

              When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

              by PhilJD on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 03:08:29 PM PDT

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              •  thank you. i am too angry and flustered at... (5+ / 0-)

                the level of excuses in that comment to answer without getting HRd...

                The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. ~George Orwell

                by poligirl on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 03:24:55 PM PDT

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                •  Is reality really that hard for you? (0+ / 0-)

                  I'm sorry to cause you so much stress.  Truly.  I just have a low tolerance for people repeating what some pundit told them instead of finding out what's really happening.  This is a battle for our future, not a game.  We'd better know what's really happening.

                  I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                  by I love OCD on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 05:29:56 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  You are an actual idiot (2+ / 0-)
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                    First time I spotted one in the wild in a long time

                    There are no sacred cows.

                    by LaEscapee on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 09:20:49 PM PDT

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                    •  and an arrogant one. as if i watch the pundits lol (2+ / 0-)
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                      but folks like her/him just assume they know all about the critics so they can divine why they feel the way they do...

                      and i detest people who get their ideas from politicians and their mouthpieces and/or pundits instead of truly seeking the truth independently.

                      the arrogance is stunning too, just stunning. and bless their heart, they think i think this is a game and they are causing me stress, lol... if i was in a really mean mood, i'd hope they get to walk a mile in my shoes sometime soon and see how they like it... but i can't wish bad things like that on anyone... then they can talk to me about 'games'...

                      sigh... it's just all about the politics for some folks...

                       

                      The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. ~George Orwell

                      by poligirl on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 09:48:25 PM PDT

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                      •  Uh Uh (1+ / 0-)
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                        poligirl

                        It's not about politics it's about rooting for the" home team" .

                        I grew up a Saints Fan even ordered an Archie Manning jersey out of the Sears Wish Book. Now I am a Drew Brees Fan but guess what, if they went AFC I wouldn't follow. That is the difference poligirl some follow when they change sides, I am not one of those people.

                        There are no sacred cows.

                        by LaEscapee on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 10:50:57 PM PDT

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                        •  And in all your arrogance you still haven't (0+ / 0-)

                          told me how I'm wrong, where my facts are incorrect, what it is that is so offensive to you.  I guess I'm just an uppity 'bot who isn't willing to bow to your superior understanding. Silly me.

                          I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                          by I love OCD on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 09:54:37 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  ummm you've been rebutted by 2 different... (2+ / 0-)
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                            LaEscapee, JVolvo

                            people on your points and you have yet to disprove those... we respond to your assertions with begging to differ. no one calls you stupid or accuses you of looking at it as a game, at least not until you go on the personal attack in your response. you could have just debated the substance, but no, you have to personally belittle those who differ from you as well. and then you whine cuz your attitude is returned in kind. sigh...

                            i mean look at your first response to me. you start off with an insult to progressives and the first sentence in your last full para is a personal dig. and looking at the language you chose to use and the framing you used, your whole presentation is one big condescension. (and you even kind of contradict yourself in your second paragraph.)

                            you just want to accuse anyone who disagrees with you as stupid and you're above us and you know everything and we don't know anything and we think this is just a game. cuz we're just dumb or don't know as much as you. in short, you're acting like an arrogant asshole. and this ain't the first time it's been noticed.

                            if you don't want to get dismissed as simply an asshole who  argues talking points and discounts folks who don't agree with you, simply make the argument on the points and remove any possible personal references to the person you are debating from the comment. cuz when you make a comment with personal insults, you will get that returned in kind.

                            anyway, i know you love the last word, so you can go ahead and slime me one more time. you can insinuate how superior you are and how we just don't get it/hate Obama/only listen to what pundits say/think this is a game, etc... i'm guessing that it just makes you feel better to beat with brick bat all those people on the blogs who don't agree with you. so go ahead. attack away. show us again how superior you are to us. i won't come back and respond.  

                            good day.

                            The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. ~George Orwell

                            by poligirl on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 12:13:06 PM PDT

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                          •  Once again you prove the point (1+ / 0-)
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                            I guess I'm just an uppity 'bot who isn't willing to bow to your superior understanding.
                            A lame attempt by using "uppity" and "bot" in the same sentence thinking people are so below you that will be drawn into some useless conversation.

                            Exactly why I didn't and don't feel the need to point out, as others took the time to, exactly why and how you are wrong.

                            There are no sacred cows.

                            by LaEscapee on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 03:43:02 PM PDT

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                          •  Fuck this bullshit attitude and fucking ZERO sane (1+ / 0-)
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                            LaEscapee

                            logic for supporting cutting SS benefits.  "bot" indeed.

                            Also fuck this rah rah praise the man and ignore his repeated actions to give the 1% even more unneeded caviar while taking the crusts from the beggars.

                            Enjoy your fantasy world.

                            The GOP says you have to have an ID to vote, but $ Millionaire donors should remain anonymous?

                            by JVolvo on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 10:31:41 AM PDT

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              •  Don't even pretend you know who's being (0+ / 0-)

                prosecuted.  Check it out before you repeat the same tired old stuff.  

                As for Cheney, it might shock you to know that he's slick.  He was in the inner circle when Iran Contra blew up, and that was hard to dump off on their chosen patsy.  Remember the kerfluffle with outing a CIA agent?  Slid thru again.  He'd have walked, become a holy martyr for the right, and a bunch of low-level agents would be serving life sentences for something they were told was legal and critically necessary.  

                He learned from Watergate to have no paper trail that would be prosecutable, to have patsies in place to serve the time and take the heat.  Pretty sure his rants on Fox News would be thrown out.  Fox already won the right to lie to the public.  

                I repeat, not all whistle-blowers are concerned citizens.  Some are.  Some are unfairly prosecuted.  Maybe we need to change our laws?  

                I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                by I love OCD on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 05:25:39 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Hey did you hear (3+ / 0-)
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                  about the cigar and cum stains?

                  Bullshit if they wanted to they would fuck all that apologensia

                  There are no sacred cows.

                  by LaEscapee on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 09:14:03 PM PDT

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                  •  Yeah right. We didn't prosecute Nixon, or (0+ / 0-)

                    Reagan, but now we need to get serious?  We did jackshit about our Cold War interference in foreign governments all over the world, but now it's time to straighten up and fly right?

                    How about this, let's start with retroactive prosecutions of the Founders for building slavery into the Constitution, then every President complicit in the genocide of the original citizens, then double-down on those who undermined foreign governments.  

                    If we'd gotten serious about this shit 60 years ago Cheney would have been out of politics before he really got started.  

                    I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                    by I love OCD on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 10:08:04 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  how bout we get as serious about... (2+ / 0-)
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                      allenjo, JVolvo

                      prosecuting the banksters as we did in the late 80s and early 90s? that would be a good start. we put quite a few execs in prison for that.

                      oh wait, a lot of bad guys buddies work in gov't now, so we can't... sigh...

                      The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. ~George Orwell

                      by poligirl on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 11:53:14 AM PDT

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            •  Just a suggestion (0+ / 0-)

              bring a brain when you come to a brain fight

              There are no sacred cows.

              by LaEscapee on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 08:24:59 PM PDT

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        •  Excuse #9. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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          Rick Aucoin, JVolvo

          Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress. -Bender B. Rodriguez

          by democracy inaction on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 11:48:55 AM PDT

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      •  What is this "we" shit. (2+ / 0-)
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        We respect the President enough to take him at his word.
        "I will not sign a bill that doesn't include a public option."
  •  #13 Same as it ever was. (3+ / 0-)
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    Democrats fight among themselves, purge, Republicans win.

    Republicans fight among themselves, purge, Democrats win.

    Rinse and repeat.

    We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance.

    by PowWowPollock on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 07:51:45 AM PDT

  •  Why can't we, just this once, go forward without (17+ / 0-)

    all the insulting mudslinging at Obama.
    In this case, your sarcasm is directed at Obama supporters, and I can't really fault it, even though I'm generally more likely to defend the Pres. than try to slime him. I can't deny that there's a certain level of uncomfortable (for me) humor in your diary.

    Right now there's generally two groups on DKos: people who have long hated Obama for not being a leftie dictator and those who support him but are opposed to the latest (it's actually not new)  budget proposal.

    Why can't we all just link arms and oppose the President's budget without a fight over him as a politician or person.

    I thought this was a pretty good diary: http://www.dailykos.com/...

    There are signs that the foolishness of austerity is finally starting to extrude through the cracks in the media wall protecting it.
    We would be better to avoid getting sidetracked on the ad/pro hominem and persevere to the ultimate victory on this.
    Regardless of what we say about the Dems, there is no chance for this victory until the Dems have the House back. NO chance.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 07:56:46 AM PDT

    •  You ain't getting the House back (20+ / 0-)

      if you have to defend cutting Social Security. Hint: It won't get you any votes among Republicans or independents.

      •  Conservative voter (2+ / 0-)
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        looks at Dems advocating to remove SS cap, and wont that Conservative voter look at the massive FICA tax increase among the wealthy, and just think "typical Libs"

        Yet if we create 20 million jobs @36 each, we basically fund SS thru 2090.

        Now some GOP voters will understand creating jobs, they wont understand cap removal.

        ...... Social Security blogathon March 25th thru March 29th. #HandsOffmySS FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

        by Roger Fox on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 08:41:01 AM PDT

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      •  It's not going to pass, because the gop isn't (1+ / 0-)
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        TheDuckManCometh

        going to protect the billionaires from any new taxes.
        So the admin. is going to highlight gop obstruction again, and come out as the "moderate" "adult in the room".

        Hopefully their political calculation is right.
        In any case, the action is in the House, and we need the House in order to proceed with progress.

        I just don't think we need to spend a bunch of our energy arguing about whether Obama is the lefty saint or not.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:49:27 AM PDT

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    •  Two problems with your comment (16+ / 0-)

      1.  False Distinctions - I don't think many people here hate Obama and even fewer want him to be a "leftie dictator."  This is a more complicated defense of Obama that relies on mischaracterizing (see below) the criticism and taking it to an extreme that is way beyond the reality.  Also, most of the criticism is not mud-slinging because it is based on his policies or actions.  

      2.  Mischaracterization - Please show where in my list or in the text, there are ad hominem criticisms.  My impression is that those defending the President are most often those that resort to ad hominem attacks, but then I wouldn't be surprised if that problem is spread evenly.

      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 08:10:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  what's "many?" (8+ / 0-)
        I don't think many people here hate Obama
        'cause I see the thesis "he WANTS to cut SS so granny can starve, cause he's a one percenter" peppered through comment threads in diaries critical of the president.  I KNOW you've seen them too.

        these threads tend to degenerate into a study on motivations, both of the president, and his supporters.  the motivations in question are typically found wanting lol.

        I find it hard to believe the people expressing that POV don't literally hate someone who wants granny to starve, unless those people are incapable of the emotion.

        This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

        by mallyroyal on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 08:49:10 AM PDT

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        •  It seems to me that words "hate" and "hater" in (16+ / 0-)

          relation to Obama are nearly always used by those defending him.  I don't see criticism - even severe criticism - as hate.  Maybe you do, but I do not pick up that emotion or motivation from Obama's critics.  The criticism is more about the policies, pronouncements and/or tactics.  This idea of hating someone sounds more like middle school kind of discourse than it does like a political or ideological  argument.  You can hate or love someone independently of agreeing or disagreeing with their positions.

          The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

          by accumbens on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 09:12:28 AM PDT

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        •  chained-CPI, granny WILL starve. Fact. (13+ / 0-)

          Fuck, I'm eating day-old bagels (bag of 4, $1) to finish the month's last 3 days, and I'll be worse off with chained-CPI.

          The Sequester, which was supposed to be some brilliant ploy, is seeing thousands lose medical treatment. Millions, like my relatives, lose 10%, 20% of their income. (I know two Obama voters, not online politicos, just working people who... well, you mentioned hate. Don't mention Obama in their presence.)

          So give me a reason to hurt the marginal, really really hurt them in the real world, which is not just fucking rhetoric, it's real pain for tens of millions...

          if not because The President agrees to the Republican/Wall Street/1%s worldview at heart?

          Have you seen his appointments? Having seen them, have you thought about them, who's interest they represent?

          Playing some brilliant gamble is he? He's fucking gambling with my life and the lives of a lot of people I know. When he ran on "I'm on your side."

          Why not gamble on Let's Have the Updated New Deal, if the brilliant game is to put the Republicans in a corner. When 72% of the voting public says "Massive Federal Stimulus Now, Deficits be Damned."

          You know that "deficit is major crises" is a lie; that "Social Security" in trouble is a lie; that cutting Social Security will make the Economy worse and its insane from a practical policy angle.

          So why do it? Why do it?

          You think people are angry now? Watch what happens in 3, 4 months when he pushes this: http://www.counterpunch.org/...

          PS: Anger is not hate. And there is a thing such as justified anger.


          If Republicans said every 3rd person named "Smith" should hang, we'd bargain them to every 7th. Then we'll see apologia written praising this most pragmatic compromise. There's our losing formula.

          by Jim P on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 10:25:24 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Doesn't matter (6+ / 0-)

            It's all about Obama.  Granny may starve, but she will serve a greater purpose.  Putting Obama's face on the $20 bill, for example.  

            •  What kills me is this is all for a little money (7+ / 0-)

              from the Filthy Rich, who are going to call their accountant and say, "hide some more money" anyway.

              It's just so mind-numbingly stupid: economically, politically, socially insane. And "insane" is not hyperbole, it's technical.


              If Republicans said every 3rd person named "Smith" should hang, we'd bargain them to every 7th. Then we'll see apologia written praising this most pragmatic compromise. There's our losing formula.

              by Jim P on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:19:16 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  they will kick FDR off of the dime (4+ / 0-)

              and put Obama's face in his place.

              See, they tried that with Reagan, but because he was a Republican, it failed. People thought it was too partisan.

              But Obama's a Democrat--and so putting his face on the dime would simply be replacing one Democrat with another. Much, much easier to do.

              Don't think they haven't already planned for this. Once Obama's presidency is finished, the 1% will have their media lapdogs obliterate the pre-Obama history of the Democratic party.

              The hated FDR will be disappeared down the memory hole, and in his place, they will raise up Obama--the great statesman who single-handedly transformed the Democratic party from a disorganized, spendthrift hippie rabble which was threatening to bankrupt America with their Medicare and their Social Security, into a lean, mean Wall Street party of fiscal discipline and drone warfare.

              His Grand Bargain to destroy the safety net will be hailed as the greatest act of any American politician in the last century. For 80 years the 1% have suffered under the tyrannical yoke of "that man" in the White House, who, during the Great Depression, dared to betray his class and redistribute their wealth downward. He died, but his legacy has lived on, even prospered.

              No longer! They can finally be rid of his baleful legacy, take back the wealth that should rightfully be theirs, and reduce the 99% to serfdom once again.

              And Obama will be the instrument of their liberation. For that they will deify him as the Egyptians did their pharaohs. Don't doubt it.

              "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

              by limpidglass on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:26:36 AM PDT

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        •  he knows what side his bread is buttered on (6+ / 0-)

          and he is acting to secure his future by pleasing those on whom his future depends; the cost to others is secondary.

          In that, he's no worse than people one meets every day at work (if one is fortunate enough to have a job, of course--many people aren't).

          The only difference is he has about 1 quadrillion times more responsibility than the average joe (or jane). And since he only got his position by promising those average joes and janes that he would fight for them, it's understandable that those average joes and janes are furious when he uses the awesome power that they entrusted him with to enrich the rich and empower the powerful, at the cost of those at the bottom of the pyramid.

          It is not some irrational "hatred" that is baseless and childish. It is the anger of people who are being screwed over by the man who promised to protect their interests.

          "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

          by limpidglass on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:03:04 AM PDT

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        •  He is a 1%'er. More like a .1%er. (6+ / 0-)

          He does want to cut Social Security.  He's dedicated much of the last five years to doing it.

          I don't know what the fuck his personal motivations are, but then, neither do you.

          One of us is rooted in reality firmly enough to admit that.

          income gains to the top 1% from 2009 to 2011 were 121% of all income increases. How did that happen? Incomes to the bottom 99% fell by 0.4%

          by JesseCW on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:03:12 AM PDT

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        •  Proud of his wanting to cut SS and Medicare (1+ / 0-)
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          benefits, are you?  You think that's a great thing?

        •  Motivations are irrelevant (1+ / 0-)
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          It doesn't matter why Obama wants to cut SS and Medicare at all, what matters is that based on his actions, it is clear that - for whatever reason - he does want to cut SS and Medicare.

          Focusing on the speculation of his motivations is as petty and useless as focusing on the speculations of George Bush's ostensible motivation to wage war on Iraq.  If we allow Obama to succeed in cutting SS and Medicare, it really won't matter why he did it, all that will matter is that he did it and it may not matter at this point even if he doesn't.  The difference between a Dem House and Senate in the next midterm may be just that he proposed it.

          I, for one, don't give a damn as to why.  I just want to see it stopped and I have no doubt that there are a lot more people here like me than there are that genuinely hate Obama despite your purposefully distracting and hyperbolic protestations to the contrary.

          Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress. -Bender B. Rodriguez

          by democracy inaction on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 12:17:14 PM PDT

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      •  #1,2,3... "They're all the same" (3+ / 0-)
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        Of course the other side, I'll assume you, has only one argument, "They're all the same".  There's a diary on the rec list now that argues both the Republicans and Democrats and Obama are in the pockets of the Oligarchs.  This conspiracy nonsense really makes liberals look like the lefts version of the Tea Party.

        I will smack Obama hard on this budget because I think it's bad policy and bad politics.  I'll even call him some names like naive and weak, and a horrible negotiator, but to imply that he and the rest of the Dems are just like the Republicans, is so stupid it's really an embarrassment and and insult to all the work KOS has done to make this a website that helps Democrats get elected.

        •  Where in this diary or anywhere do I (7+ / 0-)
          imply that [Obama] and the rest of the Dems are just like the Republicans
          ?

          You sure you got the right diary?

          The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

          by accumbens on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 09:49:22 AM PDT

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          •  Please do let me show you (0+ / 0-)

            Your very first sentence:

            Following the comments in the recent diaries criticizing President Obama’s budget proposal in which he puts entitlement cuts on the table, it occurred to me that those defending his actions typically rely on a fairly circumscribed set of arguments.
            The comments I read from one of the "recent diaries criticizing President Obama", and which is on the rec list, were of the "they're all the same" type.  Since you portray this discussions participants as being of two types, those who criticize, and those who defend the president, I assumed you were one of the criticizers, and lumped you in with the "they're all the same" crowd.

            Of course, if I mistakenly lumped you, as a criticizer, with the "they're all the same crowd", please except my apology, as soon as you apologize to all the Obama defenders for lumping them into your list of "excuses".

      •  I didn't say your diary was an ad-hominem. (0+ / 0-)

        I tried to draw a distinction between your diary and other posts.
        I've seen many, many comments where Obama was derided as a "corporatist" whore and I've seen where the expectations of people who wanted him to essentially wave a magic wand and create a single payer insurance system, etc.
        Maybe I don't pay close enough attention to the defenders of the President who resort to ad hominems, but I haven't seen it to the same degree.
        In any case, my final point was that rather than grind the old anti-pro Obama wheel we can just have a little solidarity against austerity. Regardless of what the WH proposes, the action takes place in Congress.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:14:36 AM PDT

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      •  Please get up to date on your spin (5+ / 0-)
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        Anyone who wants Obama to maintain the status quo on Social Security and Medicare benefits wants him to be a "leftie dictator".  Only the EXTREME FAR LEFT support maintaining the status quo on Social Security and Medicare benefits.  The status quo is now EXTREME FAR LEFT.  Defending the current policy is now EXTREME FAR LEFT.  Heard it on Hardball yesterday and someone said Rendell was singing this tune this morning.  Rolling Stones "You can't always get what you want" he supposedly snarked.  Even when what you want is simply the status quo.  

      •  Anyone that characterizes (1+ / 0-)
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        criticism of the ostensible desire of any Democrat to cut SS and Medicare as "mudslinging" has forfeited their own credibility and isn't worth taking seriously.  That "argument" should immediately raise a red flag and doesn't deserve the respect or dignity of a response unless it is one of utter ridicule.

        Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress. -Bender B. Rodriguez

        by democracy inaction on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 11:58:48 AM PDT

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    •  these things are true for me: (11+ / 0-)
      I'm generally more likely to defend the Pres. than try to slime him. I can't deny that there's a certain level of uncomfortable (for me) humor in your diary.
      but I did not feel personally attacked by this diary, nor did I feel it was insulting or mudslinging at Obama.  The sad fact is he is making the same mistake he has made time and time again and this diary points out the weakness of trying to defend it.
      •  I didn't say this diary did those things. I made a (0+ / 0-)

        distinction about this diary having an uncomfortable and sarcastically humorous ring to it.
        I'm talking about a general thing on DKos which I expected to come up on this diary, and did.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:43:28 AM PDT

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    •  how simplistic. (5+ / 0-)
      Right now there's generally two groups on DKos:

      people who have long hated Obama for not being a leftie dictator and  those who support him but are opposed to the latest (it's actually not new)  budget proposal.

      So 2 choices are...you're either an Obama hater cause he's not a leftie dictator and you've been a hater on Obama for a long time

      or

      you support him but are just opposed to an old budget proposal?

      "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

      by allenjo on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 10:40:11 AM PDT

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      •  I think it's simplistic because its a general (0+ / 0-)

        description. Just about everyone is opposed to cutting SS and Medicare. Everyone is opposed to austerity.
        We have something we all agree on.
        We don't all agree on the Pres. or his motivations.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:41:35 AM PDT

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        •  We also differ in our intensity of feelings on the (4+ / 0-)
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          issue.  

          To some of us Social Security and Medicare are truly the 3rd rail.  They are iconic programs of the Democratic Party.

          This is an extremely heartfelt issue for us.  It goes far beyond Obama and his term in office.  The cuts will far outlive his term.  The impact of a Democratic President throwing these programs on the table for a short budget deal will set the most horrific precedent.

          What I think of Obama is really trivial.  I think he's wrong, weak, I could go on, but that isn't the point.  The point is that he is undermining the foundational programs and policy of the Democratic Party and essentially replacing the New Deal with the New Austerity.

          The New Deal was the real Hope the real Change.  The New Deal promised a middle class.  The New Austerity promises that you will have less and your children will have less and you will have less because you do not deserve more.

          •  See, I would disagree with your assessment of (0+ / 0-)

            Obama. I think he understands the gist of your last paragraph.
            However, the gist of my original post is that we should link arms and fight austerity rather than quarrel about Obama.
            I personally am in dire situation regarding retirement and health issues. I'm off the chart.

            Look, if we want to reign in the MIC and cut defense spending, etc., the only effective tool we have for that is government frugality.

            Ditto general Wall Street welfare.

            Whether we like it or not it will be a matter of political jiu jitsu which one gets the permanent cut. I think Obama's trying to hold on until we get the House back.
            That's just my belief.

            Jiu jitsu depends on gravity and leverage, so I think we should put all of our weight and leverage into play to protect what we think is important. I think we should take a break on arguing about Obama.
            That's all.

            You can't make this stuff up.

            by David54 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 02:14:01 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  He's President and has the bully pulpit (4+ / 0-)

              so it is difficult to leave him out of it even when you try.

              I do believe the real problem is the party.  I am extremely unhappy with the Democratic Party on the Social Security and Medicare issues.  Most of them are running for cover and hiding under the bed and you can't get a straight answer on any simple question concerning where they stand on these cuts.  

              Like I just got an e-mail from Franken on some other proposal for Medicare which is all fine but it does not address the question of this budget proposal.   It is just a distraction.  I am sure it is meant to be a distraction.  Send out an e-mail on something other than the budget cuts because he isn't ready to take a stand on the budget cuts.  

              I am just fed up with it.  I don't want be tricked, conned, lied to, mislead, and treated like I'm an idiot.  

              I want clear answer to simple questions.  Like will you vote against cuts to Social Security or Medicare benefits?  Why can't you get an answer to that question?

              When you can't get that, you get  mad.   And I am mad.

    •  There's a vocal third group here: (7+ / 0-)

      Those who support these cuts because they support the President.

      I dearly wish I could agree with you that DKos is united in opposition to this proposed budget. The fact is though that for Mr. Obama's most ardent supporters, even shredding what passes as the American safety net is apparently not a bridge too far.

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:19:56 AM PDT

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      •  I haven't seen many people offer support for the (0+ / 0-)

        chained CPI, etc. Even most supporters are calling it a mistake.
        The Pres. has proven to be right politically more times than not, and he hasn't given up the ballgame  yet, although he's been accused of it since day 1 by the left.

        My point is that we should focus on austerity instead of the pres., and debunk it once and for all. That's going to take a long-term, focused approach.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:38:47 AM PDT

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        •  Maybe, but they're calling it an (3+ / 0-)
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          "unavoidable concession..."

          because Republicans.

          When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

          by PhilJD on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:44:05 AM PDT

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        •  Methinks this is quite debatable ... (4+ / 0-)
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          The Pres. has proven to be right politically more times than not,
          but for another time.

          The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

          by accumbens on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 12:39:46 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  i've seen some prominent ones plainly argue (4+ / 0-)
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          that chained CPI wasn't a cut. i've also seen them argue that chained CPI is not that bad.

          this is all just in this calendar year...

          The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. ~George Orwell

          by poligirl on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 01:57:00 PM PDT

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          •  What if they're right? We can't even get around to (0+ / 0-)

            debating that because we're all "Obama this" and "Obama that".

            You can't make this stuff up.

            by David54 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 02:16:20 PM PDT

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            •  I suppose some of us firmly believe without a (3+ / 0-)
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              doubt that the chained CPI is a cut so there is nothing to debate with some people.  I for one think it's a cut and my debate is with Obama who wants it.

              FWIW, what drives me especially nuts about chained CPI is that it is based on fashionable behavioral economic theory that bears no relation to people's lives.  It's an intellectual exercise gone bad.  Furthermore, the assertion that you can lower adjustments for inflation because people lower their standard of living in response to inflation means that, if implemented, it would create a death spiral for quality of life in those who can least afford it.  I see no - NO - real benefit except to those who would get off by seeing their/favorite theory put into practice or want more for the 1% at the expense of everyone else.

              The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

              by accumbens on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 02:54:09 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Now we're getting somewhere. I agree, even though (0+ / 0-)

                I'm ignorant of economic theory, it has to be a cut, otherwise it wouldn't impact the debt.
                Is it always a "cut" forever in all scenarios?
                I understand your concern about supporters of chained cpi being abstracted from the real pain it would cause real people.
                I also wonder about the reflexiveness of "they're touching SS, they're touching Medicare" hysteria generators.

                Personally, I'm in favor of doing the things we know would ensure the stability of SS and Medicare, like raising more revenue from the people who are making like bandits on Wall Street, (the 1%). I'm in favor of ending the "carried interest loophole" etc. and the other gimmicks for the Romney crowd. etc.
                I'm in favor of a transaction tax on energy speculation esp. and on electronic trading in general, to dampen the damage that is doing to the middle class.
                Etc.
                I'm in favor of ditching "austerity" altogether because it's bullshit.
                I still believe the key to achieving any of this is to get the House away from the gop. Not rubbing Obama's nose in the shit he didn't create in the first place.

                You can't make this stuff up.

                by David54 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 08:00:06 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  He was/is complicit ... (0+ / 0-)
                  Not rubbing Obama's nose in the shit he didn't create in the first place.
                  No, he didn't create the economic meltdown, but, among other  things that contributed to the mess he inherited, he picked an economic team that helped cause the meltdown.  He also went along with Repubs (some say caved to them) on practically aspect of their economic agenda.  So there's some shit he didn't create, but plenty that he did or let happen without a real fight.

                  The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

                  by accumbens on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 01:30:04 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I think it was Christina Romer who was right (1+ / 0-)
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                    about the size of the original stimulus bill and was not listened to by "the boys".

                    If Obama had listened to her we wouldn't be having this discussion about austerity now.

                    I don't think he's immune to criticism.

                    You can't make this stuff up.

                    by David54 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 06:49:29 AM PDT

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                    •  Yes, the stimulus was a disaster in more ways (0+ / 0-)

                      than one.  First, it was too small.  Second, it was even smaller than it looked because a third of it was a tax cut to pre-appease the Repubs.  Thirds, it didn't change the Repubs position and, despite this clear signal, Obama continued to try and appease them by pre-capitulating on nearly every action going forward.

                      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

                      by accumbens on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 07:30:57 AM PDT

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            •  oh there have been plenty of diaries explicitly (1+ / 0-)
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              explaining how this is a cut and how it is bad for those with low income levels... lots of them... so really, if you deal in facts, it is a cut and even if you look at the minuscule percentage, when you put that in real money terms it is a bad cut.

              The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. ~George Orwell

              by poligirl on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 03:40:49 PM PDT

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            •  What is to debate man (1+ / 0-)
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              grab a grip break out the abacus

              There are no sacred cows.

              by LaEscapee on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 08:50:04 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  They're not. (0+ / 0-)

              They are idiopts or in on the scam.  That's the only reason anyone could support the cuts and they and their defenders have zero credibility.

              You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

              by Johnny Q on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 01:18:18 PM PDT

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        •  Good jesus almighty (0+ / 0-)

          The president is driving the boat toward austerity.  

          Wake up pay attention look around

          There are no sacred cows.

          by LaEscapee on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 08:55:26 PM PDT

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      •  Well, Mr. Obama being able to summarily execute (1+ / 0-)
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        American citizens and keep a "kill list" wasn't a bridge too far, so I assume nothing is.

        if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 08:53:53 AM PDT

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    •  We do not hate Obama. . . (2+ / 0-)
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      . . .we are liberals and progressives.  He is not.

      Money ain't free speech and it won't buy you love.

      by waztec on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 02:31:06 PM PDT

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    •  No, the two groups on DKos have to do with (2+ / 0-)
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      policies and issues, always have.

      Right now there's generally two groups on DKos: people who have long hated Obama for not being a leftie dictator and those who support him but are opposed to the latest (it's actually not new)  budget proposal.
      The fact that Obama is largely responsible for leading on these policies and issues, yeah, it does fall into Obama's lap since this is a Democratic site and Obama is the leader of the Democratic Party.

      Sure, maybe someone somewhere "hates" him, I don't know.  I don't hate anyone, never have.  I do, however, hate the actions or inactions of people in all walks of life.

      Obama is a politician.  I do hate what he's doing, I don't hate him.  

  •  I love how pie fight diaries are just fine with (8+ / 0-)

    certain folks, if those pies are being thrown from a certain direction.

    hypocricy is awesome.

    This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

    by mallyroyal on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 08:06:55 AM PDT

  •  13 we don't know his reasoning (8+ / 0-)

    so remembering that we very well might not know the whole story, rather than wringing hands in despair* may be in order.

    *I allow self to say this since it hits close to home with me as I am reliant on SS and Medicare to live, currently. And that means it's close to the bone so even small changes have impact.

    •  True, we don't know his reasoning; however, it is (4+ / 0-)
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      human nature to try to ascribe reasons for actions.

      I can't figure out any good reasoning behind all this austerity crap anyway.  As for wringing hands in despair, no that's not useful.  

      •  'cept so much of what goes on in Washington (0+ / 0-)

        is behind he scenes. For MOST issued I've felt we
        only know the tip of the iceberg. Perhaps someone who
        knows more about it can flesh out that idea.

        It isn't just with this issue that I have this reaction. I often feel I must not know the whole story no matter whether Obama is on the "right" side or not.

    •  Actions are what matter (10+ / 0-)

      and this is a very destructive action, hurting the most vulnerable to please Wall Street.

      What he's thinking is irrelevant.  He's proposing to hurt real suffering people.

      •  I don't think motives are irrelevant (1+ / 0-)
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        because he is in a postion to know things we may not. Motives for proposing this could be in reaction to something
        or have a reason that prevents a greater ill or will cause a greater good.
        So yes knowing why would help figure out his rationale. Again I can go here because
        1) i trust that Obama does not want to hurt the vulnerable if he feels he can avoid it  (of which I am one)

        2)Obama is smart.

        3)Obama is in a postion to have all the facts and we are not. Things may be more nuanced then we can see.

        Based on these I suspend final judgement but remain with a sense of dissapointment.

        •  Not gonna believe your own lying eyes? (7+ / 0-)

          Trust is nice, but it's not a substitute for facts.  I understand that you want to believe that everything is really all right in spite of what you see, because I wanted to believe it for a long time, too.  Reality finally intruded.

          Based on his actions, his motives are only good for Wall Street.  He's just not that into us.

          Unfortunately, our needs and wants have been shown to be just as irrelevant to him as whatever-his-unknown-beliefs-are to our lives.  

          His actions hurt us, badly.

          •  guess you didn't read my post (0+ / 0-)

            Since I didn't say anything that should indicate that.

            I hate that about this conversation in general on DK. Not only does my not concluding as quickly as some (you) do DIFFERENT from what you think...I am so damn Wrong. Over and over again I've seen that staying open until I know all the available facts AND feel I have a decent percentage of what is so, has been the correct course.

            Believe what you want, just don't judge me for it. Feel you are superior, that is fine by me. I have to choose what works best for me, and so can you.

        •  Thanks for this. I need to add (8+ / 0-)

          "We don't know what he knows." to the list of commonly used excuses.  Cheers.

          The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

          by accumbens on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 12:42:05 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  intent matters also (0+ / 0-)

        that is why there is a difference between Manslaughter,Murder 2, and first degree murder, say.

    •  we didn't know Bush's reasoning, either (7+ / 0-)

      and who knows, maybe in 50 years the Iraq war will be seen as a brilliant accomplishment of statesmanship--after all, we might not know the whole story (NB: I don't actually believe this. My point is simply that one can just as well apply the "well maybe history will vindicate him" argument to Bush's actions as Obama's).

      I'm not particularly interested in Obama's motives in proposing a destructive policy. I just oppose the policy. It's easier that way.

      Why should I stand around giving him the benefit of the doubt while he proposes to shred the New Deal?

      If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I feel perfectly justified in taking action to deal with the duck, rather than speculating that it might be a pelican that somehow perfectly resembles a duck, or getting embroiled in a pointless philosophical debate on "But just what constitutes a duck really, anyhow?"

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:11:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  don't wring your hands (7+ / 0-)

      because cuts to medicare and ss are going to happen whether we like it or not. if not this go-'round then soon.

      the bait's been dangled and it will be too irresistible to the repubs.

      i am long term disabled and this is a breaking point for me.

  •  There's a new one specific to right now (11+ / 0-)

    We must support the President's dumbass budget ideas to fix the effects of the last dumbass budget idea (the sequester).

  •  #13: Lily Ledbetter!! (12+ / 0-)

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 08:57:30 AM PDT

  •  He is smarter than you. (6+ / 0-)

    He got you to vote for him to steal your SS benefits. Twice.

    And he multi-tasks better than you too. While you were writing this list, he:

    1. Torched your SS.
    2. Stole your Medicare.
    3. Stole your food stamps.
    4. Kicked your puppy.
    5. Beat your rented mule.

    ...

    and on and on, because ...

    1. He's a back-stabber.
    2. He's a liar.
    3. He's not a real Democrat.
    4. He's a thief.
    5. ... a lackey for the oligarchs.
    6. ... a war criminal.
    7. ... spies on Daily Kos.
    8. ... Punches hippies.
    9. ... thinks the Presidency is a popularity contest.
    10. ... Thinks he's smarter than you.

    Come on help me out here. You might not be smarter than Obama, but I'm sure you can add to this list.

  •  Needs 7b (5+ / 0-)
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    He never said he was a liberal.

    "with rights come responsibilities." Wrong. Responsibilities continue to exist even if you abdicate your rights.

    by happymisanthropy on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 10:01:13 AM PDT

  •  Thanks! (7+ / 0-)

    I actually considered breaking my no diary policy and writing this one.

    Now I don't have to.

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 10:59:51 AM PDT

  •  13. (8+ / 0-)

    This isn't ___ (whatever it seems to be: a cut, in the case at hand.)

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 11:03:56 AM PDT

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    Nada Lemming, triv33, poligirl
    I criticize him myself all the time, but...

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Sat Apr 06, 2013 at 01:21:32 PM PDT

  •  you need to add (3+ / 0-)
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    PhilJD, poligirl, allenjo

    He doesn't have a magic wand.
    And
    If he walked on water you still wouldn't believe in him.  

    That last one was popular during blackwaterdog's reign.  I LOL'd many times when I saw it because the commenter clearly believed Obama does, in fact, walk on water.

  •  One more: (0+ / 0-)

    And I'm quoting:

    "I don't tend to wallow in misery at such things, just understand what is happening as best possible, dislike the crappy parts and move on"

  •  "He said he would do this." (0+ / 0-)
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    zett

    You're obviously racist.

  •  thank you for making this clear. (0+ / 0-)

    if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 08:51:44 AM PDT

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