Wow, the Brain Trust over at Redstate is tackling abortion. They put on their thinking caps dunce caps for a little give-and-take with Sam Brownback's "E-Campaign Coordinator" Leon Wolf rallying the troops against Jesus' General. If you're thinking "That sounds like a potential train wreck," you may be psychic.
Redstate calls this fiasco Daddy Was a Rapist. You may have already guessed that their discussion is not a big group hug. It's a dreadful misogynistic group rant about what-the-hell's-wrong-with-these-pregnant-fat-broads and why-are-women-so-whiney-about-being-raped-and-forced-to-give-birth-to-their-rapists'-babies. These guys love mothers, just like Norman Bates loved his mom.
The best part about this is that Wolf claims he is merely protecting Brownbeck from those "lefty bloggers, led by Jesus' General" and Jesus' General's critique of a Brownback speech. Unbelievably, Wolf seems to have adapted the General's title "Daddy Is a Rapist." Ummmmm Leon? Lee, babe, you really may want to run that past a focus group.
Gen. JC Christian irked the Brownback campaign....
(JCC)You did an excellent job introducing the issue at the St. Joseph's Covenant Keepers convention on Saturday. Your suggestion that pregnant rape victims be forced to give birth had every man in the room, even those who haven't raped a woman (the priests for instance), standing and cheering. Now, it's time to give the issue more substance by adding a few specifics and turning it into a plan.......incarcerating the mother-victim. We can then ensure that she eats right and gets the medical attention she and her little fetus-American require.
I'm not sure why this upsets Wolf because it seems perfectly consistent with Brownback's position.....
(Wolf) The remarks themselves were fairly pedestrian for Senator Brownback, and were essentially identical to remarks he already made in two nationally televised debates; to wit, that an unborn child is no less human because it is the product of a rape. If abortion represents the unjust taking of a human life, then it is no less so when the human life at issue, through no fault of its own, was produced by a heinous and despicable act. I don't have the exact remarks available since they were not prepared, and apparently they were not recorded in either audio or video format, but that is essentially the gist of what was said.
Wolf continues....
(Wolf)I have written before that the issue of abortion tends to bring out the best and worst aspects of human nature.
You got that right Leon!
Then he takes a serious turn for the wierd:
(Wolf)The choice to be a mother is a choice of altruism - a choice of self-sacrifice. It is a choice to forego the fullest measure of a hedonistic life in favor of a life lived, at least on a temporary basis, for the betterment of the world as a whole.
Wolf is saying that rapists are just doing a favor by taking you little "hedonistic" sluts off the street for a few months. It's not like you were doing anything important like going to medical school. Now get your butt back that trailer and make me some biscuits, you little heffer!
(Wolf) The choice to have an abortion, on the other hand, is the deliberate indulgence of the basest desires humans are capable of, combined with an absolution of the most sacred and basic human duty - that of parenthood.
Got that ladies? It is your "sacred duty" to have your rapist's baby. I think Jesus' General called it right - these guys would put rape victims in straitjackets and breed them like livestock.
Anyway,when a sausage-fest like Redstate tackles abortion, hilarity is bound to follow. Let's see....
If the life is worth protecting, rape and incest do not lower that bar. No other explanation is compatible with a 'Pro-life stance' and those who offer them either haven't thought it through or they are pandering.
Would you whiny women just shut up and have your rapists' babies?
If the life is worth protecting, it trumps the emotional well being of the mother. An injustice is not righted by another injustice, merely because that life can be snuffed without hearing the protest.
Don't you know you'd be better off just submitting to your rapist? Dumb old rape victims don't know any better. What can you expect from girls?
Studies indicate that women who are raped and find themselves pregnant actually fare better mentally if they carry to term and either keep the baby or place it for adoption than women who choose to have an abortion. Makes me think somewhere in their sub conscious they know and understand that the baby is innocent.....I don't currently have any links....
This guy's a real liberal because he'd allow an exception for life threatening health problems. What a guy!
To me, the only sustainable position on abortion is the one-exception rule (saving the life of the mother). If I were in charge that's what the states would have.
Well maybe not. This guy's perfectly willling to kill the mother:
I could think up even more what-if scenarios but it all comes down to either the child has a primary right to life that equals the mother's or he/she does not. If they have primary rights, then no abortion is permissible, except perhaps where both the child and the mother will certainly die if the child is not removed.
This guy suggest the states decide the rape and incest question:
I am aware that about 2 percent of abortions are due to the rape/incest/life of the mother issue, which is why I believe banning abortion on demand would be the most important issue in the pro-life movement. I think that after that, perhaps the 3 exceptions should be decided by the states, and the people of those states.
And here's a guy who says incest is no exception:
Any hypothethical horror can be conjured in search of a straw man, it seems. But from the incestuous Dad's point of view, isn't abortion a nice convenience to allow his continual abuse of his (12 year old) daughter?
Anyway, there's no problem the private sector can't solve, even that pregnant 12 year old raped by her dad:
Government programs are unworkable and make things worse.....government intervention is unnecessary - private agencies can do much of this, and indeed are already doing this. If you've ever been involved with a "Crisis Pregnancy Center" then you'd know that they are very committed to support - emotional, counseling, material needs - for the mothers who choose to carry their baby to term - and there's post-birth follow-up and support groups too.
Just to be clear, the government should be prepared to used all its legal resources to force you to bear your rapist's kid by persecuting you if you don't, and presumably locking you into some Gothic mental ward to prevent you from harming your blastocyste. But should the government spend one penny to actually help your slutty ass? Forget about it!
REDSTATE UPDATE
It's turning into a pie fight and people are getting banned, which happens in any long Redstate thread. And worse, women started showing up! Who invited them?
Notice that on Redstate it spirals down into threats and banning over minor deviations, while at DailyKos this thread hasn't spawned any hidden comments or even troll ratings.
I've been watching the community supervision model of DailyKos for several months, and it seems be much more tolerant, but it has also withstood repeated organized troll attacks.
REDSTATE UPDATE 2
This response to redstategirl who describes how she had a child from rape and is being harassed by the rapist
ThinkingIndependent
I could express some false sympathy, maybe say "that sucks". It really won't help you or make your situation better, I suggest you quit complaining about it and deal with the situation fate has dealt you.
Each of make or break who we are, whining about the injustice in the world makes you nothing more then a whiner.
Harsh? Life often is.
Riiiiiight. It this guy's Mom saw his post, she would probably send a sawbuck to Planned Parenthood.