Special Dkos user whose name I cannot mention, you are one of my most favorite people on the DailyKos and as I have said before you’ve inspired me to get out and do more. I even made calls for John Kerry after attempting to vilify him on our site so that maybe he would have woken up and see what he was doing.
I might have been the one that started the Obama is an empty suit challenge. Part of that had to do with what I thought was recklessness of the people on this site to close their eyes to anything but what the news media gave them. You said you didn’t see the Obama supporters’ abuse people online, but I can tell you it was rampant. They hung around like packs of wolves troll rating anyone who didn’t like Obama. Yesterday morning, I posted a diary entitled "A Challenge to Obama Supporters" where I charged Obama with having no sense of history and being a snake oil salesman, convincing many that he’d do things differently and how he’d reach across the aisle to make changes when his actions and rhetoric says otherwise. I called him a charlatan I feel that to this day but I will explain that later.
More after the jump, of course.
However, in this diary at http://www.dailykos.com/... that I wrote yesterday morning a bunch of Obama thugs called me a liar and worse because I posted a link that died sometime yesterday morning. They were foaming at the mouth with troll rating desires. This is what the first TU wrote: Listen for the arrogance.
Everone who rec'ed this post
Everone who rec'ed this post and this diary should be ashamed.
DailyKos is NOT a website that allows users to post lies about other Demcorats. It's against the rules.
Period!
As for the lies, describing Senator Obama as a 'charlatan', posting lies about Senator Obama's tax plan and having a 'troll poll'.
There will be a cleansing here if this keeps up. You can bet on it.
And from another Obama supoorter
TRed for loaded poll (0 / 0)
you forgot to include choices about whether or not Obama still beats his wife.
Sheesh.
Here is an Obama supporter accusing someone trying to be fair.
You did rec it (0 / 0)
But you unrec'ed it.
If you really care about the truth, you would take away your rec on his 'tip jar' post.
Just read my post exposing the
And catch this one. I didn’t know that I can’t be anti-Obama. He is not the nominee and I don’t want him to be the nominee, so does that means I can’t debate how awful I believe he is?
This diarist is an anti-Obama (0 / 0)
troll--look up his/her previous diaries.
Check out this brilliant humorist
New word for this type of garbage: liary
And you wonder why Edwards supporters are tired of Obama supporters who can’t think passed their noises:
We would if the diarist was honest (1+ / 0-)
enough to provide a working link to the story, so we can see for ourselves what it says. Then again, you are another of the "rhetoric above record" Edwards supporters, so I really don't expect any reaction from you that reflects reality.
O-bama 0-8!
And finally a response from this jerk.
Diary has been officially tagged TROLL (3+ / 0-)
so can we please disregard it now
The centerpiece of my argument was that Obama talks about all the friends he has on the other side of the aisle and how party differences will not hold him back like they have held back everyone else because that is what he is good at and that is what he does. Unlike John Edwards, who wants to roll back the disgusting Bush tax cuts immediately after he gets elected, Obama and Hillary are fine with waiting until they expire at the end of 2010, but actually they much get worse first because the Estate Tax disappears for 2010. That means the new tax rates will be effective for 2011 and 95% of the additional tax receipts will not be received until April 15, 2012, as the biggest part of those cuts related to Dividends and Long Term Capital Gains and they are not paid until the last minute or when the final tax returns are due the following April. Therefore, my Dkos friends, there will be no "reach across the aisle" Obama tax relief for the first 3 1/3 years of his administration, if he gets the nomination and if he gets elected, god forbid.
So, 40 months will pass before any money starts rolling in and we will be paying plenty in Iraq whether or not we leave.. This is what the Obama sycophants complained about...that I made all that up.
As to those great people who had to label me as a liar as fast as they decided Obama tells the truth, and Obama is the Plastic Fantastic Candidate, the link is now working at http://news.rgj.com/... because I called the paper yesterday and asked three people to put it back. Of course they might have put it back anyway but I like to think my messages did the trick.
To all of you who think you know what Obama’s position is on the Bush tax cuts, watch the damn video and at about 32:46 is where Obama said he would not roll back the tax cuts but instead let them expire.
So basically, he is going to do nothing and not reach across the aisle at all to get rid of those tax cuts right away. He supposed to be an agent of change yet the guy hasn’t changed anything yet and from what I can see, he plans not to change much, if elected...at least regarding taxes which is one of our biggest problems and the biggest point if inequity in this country. In the mold of a tipical DLCer. He says he believes in Paygo, well without the new tax money, he isn’t going anywhere.
Finally, because I have to get back to work, some people writing in "Special Dkos user whose name I cannot mention’s" diary said that Obama doesn’t have the same tragedy in his life as do Edwards and Obama. I really didn’t think that should be a criteria BUT what I can tell you is that I and many of us think that Obama does not have the character that Edwards and Biden have.
I was not even moved by his speech in Martin Luther King’s church but one thing caught me.. He kept on about change cannot be done by one person alone and in Jericho, the Israelites brought down the wall by uniting and that is how you force change.
Let’s see if he can participate in change. I started disliking Obama when his voice was silent when Democrats tried to filibuster the Alito nomination. He wasn’t very articulate when Barbara Boxer and Hillary Clinton were giving Condoleezza Rice hell in her confirmation as Secretary of State because of Rice’s outright lying to every one of us, spreading hate and fear to everyone one of us and her obvious incompetence as this country’s worst ever National Security advisor. Mr. Change laid down like a rug showing no character once again. I don’t like this guy at all and what the others were feeling when they talked about Obama’s not having a tragedy was that if push came to shove, Obama will do what he thinks is best for him, not the country. He is on one big ego trip and too many here are the enablers because they are not giving Obama the same skeptical look they give everyone else.
At 14:35 of the Reno Gazette interview, Obama said we have to address, "End of life care, where 80% of the cost goes to 20% of the patients. When I heard that I decided I could never vote for him because what he is advocating is letting people die who don’t have the money for private care. That’s a progressive? He wants to allow to die the real strength of the Democratic Party? In addition to that, I read that he wants to include all wages as Social Security wages. If that is in fact true, Obama will totally lose all the baby-boomers because we don’t want to pay anymore money than we already are paying now just to receive $2,000 a month till we die. That extra money will go to pay for Social Security and Medicare welfare and that should be paid by the General Fund, not from a FICA tax of the upper middle class who pay the biggest portion of their income in taxes and then in real estate taxes and sales taxes. To raise the SS tax on salaries is unconscionable. People who earn salaries over $100,000 are not wealthy people because they are already paying a tax close to three times the rate of the wealthiest Americans plus their real estate taxes in decent neighborhoods, which are not even deductible because of the AMT, range between $10,000 and $20,000 a year and they will not put up with a 6.2% tax increase on their wages over $97,000.
Stop and think, he wants to make the 12 to 15 million illegal aliens citizens, after going through hoops but citizens nonetheless, and once they do, they will qualify for SS and Medicare. That’s Ok if their cost is paid for by those who employ them for horrible wages for a short time so that they have nothing paid into the SS Trust Fund. I don’t want it coming out of my SS and my Medicare. So, instead of taxing salaries of the upper middle class, they need to charge SS and Medicare tax on Dividends of Wal-mart and companies who create a market for the illegals and the underpaid.
At 20:55 of the Reno Gazette video, Obama said,
"I didn’t come of age in the 60s and I am not invested in them, so I talk differently about those issues and I talk differently about values and that is why we have been resonating with the American people, by the way and that is interpreted sometimes as I don’t think a baby-boomer should be president. That’s not what I am saying. What I am saying is that the average baby-boomer has been moved beyond the arguments of the 60s but our politicians haven’t. We’re still having the same arguments. It’s all around culture war. Even when you discuss war the frame of reference is all Viet Nam. Well, that’s not my frame of reference, you know, my frame of reference is what works. Even when I first opposed the war in Iraq, my first line was I don’t oppose all wars, you know, specifically to make clear, this is not just an anti-military 70s Love-In kind of approach, rather I thought it was strategically a mistake for us to go in
Can you believe he said this? How many of us who were opposed to the war were expecting a 70s Love-In? What was wrong with the values of the 60s and 70s, which he alluded to in his orgasmic reactions about Reagan which were so over the top. However, once again that shows me a lack of character because either he doesn’t know the difference or he doesn’t care like he didn’t care about Rice and he didn’t care about Alito.
I am sorry, this guy has fooled so many of you. He is delusional about his place in history and I can tell you that most baby-boomers when they hear more about him, they will either go to Edwards or Hillary and when the Republicans get a hold of him, he’ll be history.
At 45:42 he said:
I don’t think there is anybody in this race better able to synthesize a whole lot of points of view and kind of figure out what’s the core issue here and make a good judgment about where we’re going.
I wonder if he is including his brilliant decisions to vote to confirm Condoleezza Rice, not join in the attempted filibuster of Alito and raise Reagan up on a pedestal.
So "Special Dkos user whose name I cannot mention", it is the attitude and the blind faith of the Obama supporters that are making the rest of us crazy. How can anyone of us support anyone who voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice and at the same time try to make us believe he was against the Iraq war...not to mention that his voting record on that war is the same as Hillary’s. How can any of you vote for a man who would not fight the Liebermans of the Senate and the Harold Fords and refrain from joining the attempted Alito confirmation. How can any of you believe that baby boomers, even those who are Democrats, will vote for this guy? I won’t. How can you vote for someone who talks of change but exhibits in his actions more of the same? I see another gang of 14 in disguise and I see a guy without character but with a huge ego.
So, as far as my charge that Obama is an empty suit and didn’t have ideas, I didn’t mean ideas written for him by advisers. I think the interview with the Reno Gazette tells more about Obama than any online list taken from websites and prepared speeches. I don’t think that within the abortion categories it showed Obama’s position on the Alito attempted filibuster for which he was AWOL and I don’t think among the Iraq category did it say that Obama voted to confirm one of the biggest liars in the administration, the one who waved possible nuclear war in our faces.
As a baby-boomer I am repulsed by Obama. He obviously liked the 80s and the 2000s better than the 60s and 70s