Report interrogators abused his children
Ali Khan, the father of Majid Khan, another one of the fourteen "high-value detainees", released an affidavit on Monday April 16 2006, that reported that interrogators subjected Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's children, aged six and eight years old, to abusive interrogation. Ali Khan's affidavit quoted another of his sons, Mohammed Khan:
"The Pakistani guards told my son that the boys were kept in a separate area upstairs, and were denied food and water by other guards. They were also mentally tortured by having ants or other creatures put on their legs to scare them and get them to say where their father was hiding."
turkcebligi.com
What wouldn't you say to protect your own children?
What lies would you tell?
and how can we base anything on the word of a man who knew his children were tortured to make him talk?
more below the fold, if you can bare to look.
The mindfuck behind the whole thing is that I can never tell who is telling the truth in all this, or who was tortured in to saying what, or who is worse, the tortured or the torturers. No matter how guilty KSM could be, anything he says is invalidated because it could have been said under torture, and the people who tortured him (the USA, or, us) lose all credibility because they tortured the source of the information in order to obtain the information.
Mindfuck
" In Ali’s testimony, the most devastating statement was the following: "This torture only stopped when Majid agreed to sign a statement that he was not even allowed to read," although he also noted that the torture resumed when he "was unable to identify certain streets and neighborhoods in Karachi that he did not know," and critics of US behavior should read the whole of his testimony, as it also includes claims by Mohammed Khan that both he and Majid were held in a prison where two of KSM’s children, "aged about six and eight," had been held before their father’s capture, where they were "denied food and water," and had "ants or other creatures put on their legs to scare them and get them to say where their father was hiding," and that "Americans once stripped and beat two Arab boys," aged 14 and 16, who were then "thrown like garbage onto a plane to Guantánamo" (it’s more likely that they were actually sent to Bagram), and also held women prisoners, including some who were pregnant and "forced to give birth in their cells."
While this article only scratches the surface of the "tangled web" woven by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in CIA custody, I hope it illuminates the possibility that the plots and networks trumpeted by the US authorities may not be quite what they seem. It’s possible that everything the authorities claim is true, but my interpretation, reading between the lines, is that, through the informal social networks of the various business communities in Pakistan – which, as Saifullah Paracha pointed in Guantánamo, are based on traditional notions of hospitality, even though, in the political chaos of modern-day Pakistan, it is "very difficult for any civilian to determine who is who" – he, his son Uzair and Majid Khan were caught up in the orbit of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and that their subsequent torture, abuse and imprisonment are the result of naïve trust rather than any connection whatsoever with terrorism. Even murkier are the stories of Iyman Faris and Ammar al-Baluchi, and behind them all, towering like a malign colossus, and with fingers reaching into all corners of Pakistani society and its vast diaspora through his successful disguise as a legitimate businessman, is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and his many false allegations – made during his torture at the hands of the CIA – that the US administration would rather bury than acknowledge.
by Andy Worthington at americantorture.com
In case you have not read the horrifying details of the Torture Memos that were recently released, here is a bit of news for you. Under the Presidency of George W Bush, America tortured children. 7 year old children. Picture the closest child to you in your life and imagine someone fucking torturing them. That is what they did. I haven't had a good night's sleep since reading up on this when the torture memos first broke Friday.
Torture children? Who could do such a thing?
The CIA.
Torturing children, kidnapping entire families. That is what we do. Even if we just suspect. I can't imagine we are right every time. What happens when we are wrong?
For a little history re-cap on the disaster Bush left us 3 months ago.
Dick Cheney had his own assassination team. The Republican party ruined the world economy by knocking down the regulatory levees that held back the last Great Depression. 9/11 happened on Bush's watch. So did Katrina. George W Bush gave the wealthiest Americans every thing their hearts desired, and it still wasn't enough. We managed to allow our country to go into debt while waging an illegal war based on WMD's in Iraq. We spied on our own citizens ( and continue to do so ), and we tortured children who were as young as 6 years old.
If I left anything out it is because I have but one life to give the blogosphere. If you locked me in a tower for the rest of my life and I lived to be 102 I couldn't finished writing about how badly the George W Bush misadministration and the Republican party along with the Democratic party ruined the United States of America.
and, while they were supposed to be defending our Constitution, they let this happen.
According to a March 2003 report that appeared in the Washington, DC, area only in the little-read Washington Times, the United States government has his two young sons in its custody . As reported by Olga Craig of the Sunday Telegraph of London on March 10, 2003:
The boys [Yousef al-Khalid, 9, and his brother, Abed al-Khalid, 7] have been held by the Pakistani authorities but...they were flown to America where they will be questioned about their father. CIA interrogators confirmed that the boys were staying at a secret address where they were being encouraged to talk about their father's activities. "We are handling them with kid gloves," said one official. "After all, they are only little children, but we need to know as much about their father's recent activities as possible. We have child psychologists on hand at all times and they are given the best of care."
To the knowledge of this writer, nothing further about Mohammed’s sons has appeared in the news, so we may assume that that is where matters stand. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s sons, who would now be 13 and 11, have apparently been incarcerated somewhere in the United States for four years now, and all that time they have been at the tender mercies of the Central Intelligence Agency. Now there may still be some innocents among us who will readily believe that the CIA has been giving them nothing but "the best of care," but that could hardly include anyone with the imagination to put himself in Mohammed’s place. These determined continued believers in the word of people who have been caught in lies repeatedly might also swallow the assertion that we nabbed these moppets to pump them for vital information, never mind that this kidnapping flies in the face of everything that is legal and decent.
dcdave.com
When you let the legal Genie out of the bottle, you have no idea what you are going to get, and there is no way to put him back in. Well, guess what we got? We got a couple perverse and corrupt legal memos that lead to illegal behavior by the CIA which lead to misinterpretations of the first Un-Constitutional legal memo which lead to TORTURING 7 YEAR OLD CHILDREN.
8 REASONS WHY TORTURE DOES NOT WORK
- Torture does not yield reliable information
- Torture does not yield information quickly
- Torture will not be used only against the guilty
- Torture has a corrupting effect on the perpetrator
- Torture has never been confined to narrow conditions
- Psychological torture is damaging
- Stress and duress techniques are forms of torture
- We cannot use torture and still retain the moral high ground
The Center for Victims of Torture
After 8 years of corrupt morally bereft Un-Constitutional criminality, it is clear to me that the only way to put the Genie back in his bottle is if people go to jail.
Big people and hard time.
Add torturing children to the list of criminally corrupt and fucked up things that was done by our Government while George W Bush. Then look at that list. Then tell me with a straight face why no one should go to jail for what Bush and his goons did.
Btw, anyone who would like to see my degree in international law before I can prove I have the right to engage in any further discussion is welcome to close their eyes while I blindfold them. Once the blindfold is on I will gladly put said degree in their mouth.