I got into a conversation last night on facebook with a guy I was in the navy with 30-some years ago, and I think maybe he might be salvageable.
See transcript here:
washingtonpost.com
Secret use of census info helped send Japanese Americans to internment camps in WWII
HIM Which is why legislation was passed to prevent this from happening again; stop fueling the false narrative and stand up as a Patriot and demand we receive truthful reporting of who is in our Nation. I’m proud to mark: Naturalized Citizen, but then again my family and I did it legally when we came here.
ME I am a patriot. But I am not a fool. We count *everyone* for the census.
HIM [ME], yes brother we do but, the false narrative from the left is that placing a question regarding citizenship will result in a false census because “illegals will not want to answer for fear of deportation.” If it was up to me, I’d ship all their butts back to where they came from and they can wait their turn after applying correctly. I remember a question being on there in the past so why is it an issue now?
ME Study history, and learn from it. It ceased being a question 60+ years ago because it had been used to (among other things) round up Americans and ship them to concentration camps. It is an issue now because the people who worked so hard to get it on the census questionnaire blatantly did so with politics and bigotry as their ideals and goals. It's an issue now because so many whose forebears came here pretty much the same way the current bunch of immigrants are doing so now claim that it's wrong to do exactly what their ancestors did. It's an issue now because so many who have tried to come here by the rules have found themselves imprisoned and worse for doing their level best to work within the rules only to be blocked by a bunch of foolish bigoted hypocrites who are happy to hire undocumented workers to save money, but still hate brown people. It is an issue now because the current regime has broken so many laws and regulations abut immigration and about humanity that anything they do is tainted as being inhumane, evil, and worthy of a new set of Nuremberg trials. These are *people", not *Illegals*.
HIM [ME], and we as a Nation have LAWS that these illegals are shitting on and damn anyone who supports that!
ME [HIM] If that were true, that would be an issue, but it isn't. I strongly suggest you do some research out of your current information stream. Start with why those refugees are trying to come here in the first place - what happened in their homeland to cause the exodus, and who caused that. Again - they are NOT illegals, they are people, and the vast majority of them were doing their best to follow the laws.
HIM [ME], you will not gain one bit of sympathy from me for anyone who has not followed procedure. Secondly, just what did these people, and the ignorant ones supporting them, think was going to happen when they overwhelmed our facilities? I remember rescuing some boat people when in Seventh Fleet and hey, they were housed in the cargo hold and not a damn complaint, they were also processed legally for transport to the mainland even though they didn’t care where they ended up.
ME [HIM] That sounds very familiar. We did several loads of boat people - the countries they were fleeing to all welcomed them. The countries they were coming from had not caused the devastation that caused them to flee in the first place. The The countries they went to followed their own procedures about how to deal with refugees. The countries they were fleeing to were honest with them about what was happening, and what was expected. None of that is true in this case. As for "following procedure"... I remember that, too. Germany, 1940. Show us your papers, follow orders, you are not the right kind, so you will be put in camps. You are not human - you are illegal.
Never again.
HIM [ME], we are not Germany.
ME [HIM] Not yet. The current regime is trying hard, though. (With, admittedly, more than a touch of the Soviet in there for spice).
HIM [ME], that is by far the most ludicrous thing you’ve ever said; g’night.
Thing is: With the right data, he might be nudged.
I could look it all up, but I have a feeling a lot of you have this stuff at your fingertips. Articles from unimpeachable sources about the refugees arriving at entry points, being turned away and then arrested; articles about the crap in Honduras and who caused it and is profiting from it; articles about the conditions in the camps (and showing that no, Obama did not do that); articles about the benefit our society gets from immigrants, etc.
If some of those could be linked, maybe I could pass them on and maybe, just maybe a light will come on.
Any thoughts?
Thanks.