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Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 08:41:31 AM PDT

Ezra Klein asks, "What sort of mindless utopia do we inhabit that the headline story for weeks could boil down to 1) was a war-hero badly injured and 2) was he in Cambodia on Christmas or did he risk his life there a few weeks later? How many of our people are employed that we can ask this? How many of our children are healthy and covered in case of disaster?" These are good questions. Last time I checked, the picture wasn't quite rosy enough in the USA to afford us the luxury of spending our time and enregy debating whether Al Gore invented the inter -- er, whether Michael Dukakis hates the flag -- er, whether John Kerry is 20 times or only 10 times the patriot that George Bush is.

But it's always been this way, or it least it has been for the past twenty years or so. Since the mid-'80s, the GOP has demonstrated a seemingly absolute compusion to focus elections on God, gays, and guns, and to avoid talking about bread and butter issues unless backed into a corner. And for good reason. Every day, it seems like there's a new outrage, either at home or abroad, that would alienate yet a few thousand more voters from Bush -- if the media wasn't so focused on the non-story du jour.

I want to focus today on just one of these overlooked outrages, one which will negatively affect millions of Americans. Nancy Pelosi quite rightly describes it as "the largest middle-class pay cut in history." But because of the all-consuming obsession with how much blood Kerry shed for our country, even many liberal blogs didn't cover Bush's outrageous overtime takeaway, which went into effect on Monday. Pelosi's office estimates that as many as 6 million Americans may lose overtime pay as a result of the administration's actions. The Economic Policy Institute concludes that, contrary to Bush and Elaine Chao's assertions, few low-income earners will gain overtime as a result of the changes, and that many low-income employees who currently earn overtime will be vulnerable to a total loss of OT benefits. Moreover, all workers in a number of professions, including cooks, preschool employees, and daycare workers, will almost certainly lose any overtime protections.

Not only did the takeaway get pushed off the front page by the SBL, but the coverage was a object lesson in the poverty of contemporary journalistic "objectivity." The AP story actually opened with the classic "some say this - some say that" line, "Paychecks could surge or shrink for a few or for millions of workers across the country starting Monday." Please. There is no genuine debate on how the changes will affect workers. As Matt Yglesias notes, "When you have the US Chamber of Commerce saying, de facto, 'this measure will be bad for employers, but good for workers and we strongly support it,' and the AFL-CIO says, 'this will be good for employers, but bad for workers and we strongly oppose it' then the AFL-CIO has infinitely more credibility than the US Chamber of Commerce . . . When the Chamber is pretending to operating against the interests of its members, we can tell that it's analysis is worthless -- the person talking to you is either a liar or else doesn't know how to do his job."

But some, such as USA Today (!), actually attempted to separate the manure from the produce, concluding that "New overtime rules are mostly bad news for employees." And John Edwards valiantly fough to cut through the clutter and bring home the harsh reality of the takeaway to voters, stating that "We are going to have a president of the United States who stands up and fights for your overtime, not one who takes your overtime away." The point is this: the overtime takeaway is a big issue, one that cuts straight to the pocketbooks of millions of voters. It's a winner for us, a loser for Bush, and the GOP knows it, and will keep trying to hide it bhind the shiny non-issues du jour. But as Edwards knows, that doesn't mean that we have to play along.

The SBL story had its day. But let's get back to the real world and to the issues that matter to real Americans. Let's get refocused on job losses, the Iraq quagmire, and the health cost crisis. And let's talk about how the Bush Administration took away our overtime.
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  •  Take Action! (none / 1)

    We can't let this massive pay cut for working families go into effect without a major nationwide outcry.  We need your help today to make sure the Bush administration and its allies in Congress hear the voices of millions of working people.  

    Please sign a new petition to Save Overtime Pay and help demonstrate broad opposition to Bush's overtime pay take-away.  Click the link below to sign the petition.

    http://takeaction.blog-city.com/read/785401.htm

    "People who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson

    by ashke on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 08:46:53 AM PDT

  •  Couldn't agree more (none / 0)

    I actually had a related conversation with my mother this past weekend when she visited.  A strong (one might even say "rabid") Republican, Mom said, "I wish people would quit talking about Vietnam and focus on the issues."  Although my instinct was to say, "Why?  Because the Vietnam issue favors my candidate and not yours?," I agreed with her, adding, "Well, it would be a lot easier to put Vietnam aside if Bush and the liars he is supporting would let go of it."

    For some reason, she didn't appreciate that logical response very much.

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    by Sinfonian on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 08:47:42 AM PDT

    •  Thank you TJ!!! (none / 1)

      It is really disspiriting how much we tend to fall for the traps the Reps set for us.  People spent untold ink and time on this swift boat sh*t (excluding a few really, really good diaries on the larger implications) over the past week.

      It is clear from the more trenchant analysts of liberalism and conservatism, like Thomas Frank and EJ Dionne, that the right has seduced the lower middle and working class largely by taking economic issues off the table.  The media treat "business" as though it belongs in its separate section, not as something intimately connected to politics and government.  So peole see economic happenings as somehow "inevitable" or "determined by the market" rather than as the outcome of specific policy choices of their elected representatives and the people who fund them.

      We need to put economic issues back on the front burner, and make the case not only for more enlightened policies but for the public sector itself.  The overtime rules are a classic case.  The Bush folks, catering to their funders in the Chamber of Commerce, have screwed millions of workers.  others will suffer because their bosses can't understand the new regs or wilfully misunderstand them, and the workers are not only ill-informed, but the enforcement agencies aren't there to help them.

      And the lazy, above-it-all "what, you want us to be a filter between the people who talk to us and the people we write for?" media just go along for the ride.

      But we should know better, and not let ourselves be caught by the political equivalent of Kobe Bryant or Scott Peterson, no matter what the media and the VRWC do.

      John McCain--he's not who you think he is.

      by Mimikatz on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 11:52:12 AM PDT

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  •  Yeesh (none / 0)

    I am reminded of those psychology experiments, where they had subjects allowed to push a button and inflict pain on another person.

    The Republicans just keep heaping economic pain on millions of people, and they just can't bring themselves to care.

  •  good post (none / 0)

    where ya been, TJ?

    Welcome back, and well said.

    By the way, before we put the SBVL controversy to bed, can we find out what the GOP talking points hotline number is?

  •  Anybody know whether dems got FOIA info on this? (4.00 / 3)

    I posted this link in a diary that sank like a stone, but I still want to know what happened.

    "For discussion of the woman who supposedly wrote the legislation and bailed to the private sector, see article at CNN archives and follow the money.



    BOSTON, Massachusetts (AP) -- A senior House Democrat pressed the Labor Department on Thursday for records relating to a former official who oversaw the drafting of new overtime regulations then joined a law firm that advises business clients on their implementation.

    "It is your responsibility to ensure that critical policy decisions ... are made in the public interest, free from individual conflicts of interest," Rep. George Miller, D-California, wrote the agency's top legal official in requesting information about Tammy McCutchen.

    "I'm not a humanitarian. I'm a hell-raiser." Mother Jones

    by histopresto on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 08:53:28 AM PDT

    •  Golden Parachute (none / 0)

      Miz Tammy is no long the top official of the Wage and Hour division.

      She has returned to being a lawyer who specializes in defending employers from wage and hour lawsuits.

      Don't let the revolving door hit you in the butt on the way out.

    •  The deliberative process privilege will keep many (none / 0)

      documents from being disclosed in a FOIA request.  Members of Congress might be able to get more documents because of their oversight role.  

      Don't be so afraid of dying that you forget to live.

      by LionelEHutz on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 10:20:56 AM PDT

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  •  Wow! Great post! (none / 0)

    Thanks for posting this, Trapper. I admit that my energy defending Kerry's record against the SB group has caused some myopia to the exclusion of important stories like this. Thanks so much for posting a great summary!
  •  After the election (none / 1)

    I'd like to see the federal government review their laws concerning news media.  ALL THE LAWS, comprehensively.  

    I hear complaints that the news media is in the pocket of big business.  I hear complaints that the news media is lazy.  My personal belief is that both those complaints are on target, and I think it's the fault of a less-than-needed competitive marketplace.  More separation of entities - more competition.

    But, I'd like some sort of official comprehensive review of how the federal government impacts that competition, and hear what falls out.

    PSoTD is more than letters, but not quite yet a word.

    by PSoTD on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 08:55:32 AM PDT

    •  We don't need a study (none / 1)

      to tell us the obvious - that it's bad for democracy to have a handful of mega-corporations controlling almost all of the information people get.

      I hear complaints that the news media is in the pocket of big business.

      Umm...  The news media are big business. They are all owned by huge corporations. This is not mysterious. No studies need to be done. What we need is action. Like the type of citizen mobilization that forced congress to partially rollback Michael Powell's new FCC regulations recently. This should be a major continuing and relentless issue for progressives now and forever.

      •  News Business/Big Business (none / 0)

        We all know this about the mainstream news business.  Does average Joe think about this?  I doubt it.  And yes, a comprehensive review needs to be done, coming in with just a philosophical expectation leads to problems.

        Here's an example - why does it always have to be the same people/same organizations in the White House press pool?  Why can't it rotate smalltown newspapers in?  How about some sort of blogger inclusion?  White House coverage is a tiny piece of the puzzle - but access is as big of a part of the issue as is distribution.  Spread it around.

        PSoTD is more than letters, but not quite yet a word.

        by PSoTD on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:15:11 AM PDT

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        •  It couldn't hurt (none / 1)

          especially if it brings the issue to the attention of more people. But I would argue that the phrase "obvious common sense" is more appropriate than your "coming in with just a philosophical expectation." The argument for media consolidation advanced by Powell and others (that such a concentration of resources is necessary to deliver more comprehensive news coverage) is hysterically laughable. Here's one small example:

          In the run-up to the war, I produced and hosted a political talk show on local public access. One topic I gave considerable time to was the upcoming war. My budget was practically zero. (Out of my own pocket I bought blank tape and pizza for the volunteer crew. My research budget was the price of an internet connection.) The New York Times, The Washington Post, the cable networks, the broadcast networks, the media empires who own them, all had budgets and resources in the millions and billions to cover the crucial questions about WMDs and Al Queda connections and relevant U.S. economic interests in the run-up to the war. Guess who got it right.

          How much you want to bet that if the results of a government report about the rules involving the whitehouse press pool are not in the interests of the huge corporations that own all the networks, you will not be hearing anything about the report on TV? Media monopolies need to be broken up. It's a no-brainer.

          •  We don't disagree about the common sense (none / 0)

            but you have to build agreement in order to do it.  I agree, Kerry would have to make it a high profile part of his Presidency.  He'd be wise to bring in news people - not corporate people - to discuss the industry, bring in those who review the media, etc., to discuss the industry.  Bring a Commission publicly and deliberately to the conclusions that make common sense, and bring the public along as well.

            PSoTD is more than letters, but not quite yet a word.

            by PSoTD on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 12:10:54 PM PDT

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            •  the more you (none / 0)

              bring people and else into a discussion of the media  the more you will undo the myth that the media is "liberal" and open the future for the next 4 years. job number one is to undo the internal deference of the media news culture and everything else will then  be less static.
              signed,
              senor chavez

              A little matter will move a party, but it must be something great that moves a nation. Thomas Paine, Rights of Man

              by SpuytenD on Thu Aug 26, 2004 at 06:09:39 AM PDT

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      •  Much More Basic Change Needed (none / 1)

        We have to start thinking of the media as the political subsystem of our national information infrastructure. I'm convinced that if we do, it'll become obvious that we need a regulatory--and possibly a Constitutional approach--that is a few centuries more pertinent than "Congress shall make no law...."

        The major media are the nation, in the sense that the electorate only has a collective experience -- whether national or regional-- through the media.

        The media are the national data bus. Imagine what you could accomplish if your computer's economics were the same as our societal information economics. Your computer would play paid ads from big business to you all day, but you couldn't do any meaningful work of your own because you'd have to pay per-byte-per-recipient for all the data you'd be transmitting among the parts of the computer and around the 'net.

        The problem isn't just that our national information infrastructure is biased, it's that its economics render societal knowledge acquisition and problem-solving financially impossible.

        It barely matters how much jurisdiction a system of government gives the people, if they have no infrastructure to discover and solve problems.

        I don't pretend to have simple answers but I think sensible answers require much more basic thinking than tweaking some FCC regs.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:28:11 AM PDT

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  •  Overtime Rules: Exempt to Non-Exempt (4.00 / 4)

    Some employers are converting employees from exempt employees (employees who do not get overtime) to non-exempt employees (employees who do get overtime).  Since these employees are "expected" to work over 40 hours per week, the employers are lowering their base wages so their total expected compensation (base plus expected overtime) equals their current level of compensation.  For example, employers are taking employees who currently receive an $80,000 salary and providing that they will receive base pay of $60,000, plus overtime.  Wait for the impact of the rules to become known this fall as the rules are more fully implemented by employers.
    •  A Problem (none / 0)

      Anyone who is getting paid more than the effective local minimum wage will see adjustments if they get moved to or from exempt. Will some businesses try to take advantage of this? Certainly. Is the economy weak enough that they will be able to abuse their employees? I think it depends on the locale.

      Going forward, we need a much simpler set of rules, possibly as simple as "no more than 10% of any business's employees can be exempt." We also need to make a real penalty for abusing the system. Maybe the employer should have to pay triple damages -- 2 for the victimized employee and one for the lawyers.

  •  How Stupid Will the Electorate Be This Time? (none / 0)

    I keep wondering what the tipping point is that will move a lot of the middle class god squad voters off the GOP plank.  Surely these people have to, at some point, give into the reality of economics.  

    So will the overtime issue become one that turns voters?

    Or is that wishful thinking?

    The Constitution: You're either with it, or you're with the terrorists.

    by Calee4nia on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 08:58:43 AM PDT

    •  not unless (none / 0)

      they are directly effected, of course. elsewise it's fantasy politics and media will keep them motivated. best is to keep on with posts like this and ripple them out over and over overwhelming as part of internet alt. tidal wave. quantitative. every one get up now and fax your local news org with one single fact.

      A little matter will move a party, but it must be something great that moves a nation. Thomas Paine, Rights of Man

      by SpuytenD on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:14:42 AM PDT

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    •  I have cousins, (none / 0)

      born and raised in the south. My father sees one of them fairly regularly. This guy has never made more than $10/hour, he has never been able to afford his own car(he's almost 40), he asked for a raise and his employer convinced him he makes 50,000 grand a year. Don't underestimate the power of stupidity.
    •  Depends on What You Mean by "Stupidity" (none / 0)

      Most people under most circumstances are not in the habit of practicing extended intellectual reasoning. Generally most people look around and make judgements heavily colored by the surrounding consensus. There's a reason the words "intellectual" and "elite" often go together. (Not that other adjectives such as "economic" or "military" shouldn't pair with "elite" too.)

      It's always been this way. But in the Founders' day, the people basically were the economy, and in those simple times they were orders of magnitude closer to the scale of issues faced by large institutions including government than they are today. Common sense was reasonably useful for evaluating most commercial products and services, and government policy.

      There's a reason the Republicans have worked for 30 years and longer to free the economy from its need for free-inquiry intellectuals, to support the growth of authoritarian religions and to buy up the national information infrastructure.

      They've done nationally what Limbaugh and all the rightwing media do with their broadcast program audiences. They station spokesmen for their viewpoint and screen away contradictory voices throughout the visible culture, so that the normal common-sense thinking of average people is informed only by Republicans.

      To ask ordinary people to become practicing intellectuals in their own ways is the same as telling them all to become programmers when we terminate their lower skilled careers. If that's what we're betting our future on, we're sunk before we start.

      Like our Founders, we need to build a Party and a governance, and run our campaigns, premised on the common citizen who actually exists, not requiring them to be superhuman, and not requiring our leaders to be Messiahs.

      For this campaign, we face a vast faith-style electorate, and we have to recruit voters from the population we actually have, using messages and approaches that will work with them and not only with ourselves.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:49:38 AM PDT

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    •  The god squad wants the GOP to make people meek (none / 0)

      enough so that they can inherit the Earth without fear of Estate taxes.

      Don't be so afraid of dying that you forget to live.

      by LionelEHutz on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 10:24:31 AM PDT

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  •  Don't you understand? (none / 0)

    We voters need to get to the bottom of this whole deal about whether one of the candidates was really heroic or not 36 years ago. We should just leave all this economic mumbo jumbo about "overtime" to people who know better than us what's in our own interest.
  •  As usual... (none / 0)

    As usual, the second one of the smear jobs starts to show signs of giving blowback to the smearers, the victims of it call to move on and talk about issues.

    The talk shows will never talk about issues, and the second SBL becomes old news, it's on to the next smear that we'll be dealing with for weeks.

    The GOP's ability to get reporters to spew their slander into people's living rooms could be the determining factor in this election. The only way it's ever going to stop is if the liars bleed for their libel, and the media is called into account for enabling it. Until that happens, it will be impossible to have a debate on issues over the noise of baseless trivia hurled at us.

    •  Unfortunately... (none / 0)

      ...what's happening is this SBV story is being kept alive until the GOP Convention starts in order to keep stories like the overtime cuts off the front page. Its why Hannity and them won't STFU about it, even after clearly losing on facts alone.

      Its been said that this story is kept up to distract us. Mark my words, its not going to be the Next Big Smear ["Did Kerry turn a blind eye to heroine use in Vietnam?"] that will replace the SBV story, it will be the convention, itself.

      Also, remember how the SCLM speculated endlessly before the Dem Convention that Kerry would get a 'big bounce' in poll numbers, only to go back and state how Kerry didn't get the 'big bounce' [when it was those very people saying he would in the first place]? Nobody's going to make similar speculations on Bush's number in the event that such numbers don't come true, and Bush comes out of the Convention clean as a whistle.

      We can no longer count on the media to do shit.

      I lost my faith in nihilism

      by PanzerMensch on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:23:31 AM PDT

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    •  Agree (none / 1)

      If we move on from SBL now, the only damage is Kerry's. The blowback needs to happen; Kerry should keep up the pressure.

      The OT issue has legs of its own. As the new regs are implemented the real political effect will be seen. All fall, Edwards should hold rallies with "Maria Sanchez, a nurse right here in Tucson who no longer has OT pay because of the Bush Administration" or "Bill Majewski, who works at the Home Depot right here in Dayton . . ." That's the way to hammer this issue.

      Meanwhile, make the Bush Administration pay for the SBL smear.

      disclaimer: I'm John Kerry's Internet Director

      by BriVT on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:27:13 AM PDT

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      •  Might be too late (none / 0)

        As I noted in the Swing State Newspapers diary,

        Whether it was pushed, or it faded, the Kerry Ad "story" disappeared from the front pages today.  Yesterday, out of the 22 newspapers I looked at, it was on 17 front pages.  The Russian Jet Crashes and Abu Ghraib investigation reports are taking over the front pages.

        Today it was on the front page of only 5 of 31 major swing state newspapers.

        You have the Russian jet crashes, end of the Olympics, GOP Convention, and regular news competing.  If there's going to be any blowback, I think it's going to be in the arena of Abu Ghraib - how are those war crimes impacting troop morale today?  Emboldening the enemy?

        Rumsfeld is the target.

        PSoTD is more than letters, but not quite yet a word.

        by PSoTD on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:39:20 AM PDT

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  •  Well three weeks ago or so (4.00 / 2)

    Kerry held an Economic Forum, full court press, well fitted out with back drops, elevated stage, tables in tiers, and so forth, in the heart land somewhere, with Bush just a few blocks away (was it Davenport?)... so Kerry was able to say out loud, "Come by and talk" if you are not busy turning a corner (not) or similiar.  Kerry can command at least head lines and coverage and CSPAN.  He should have a full court press forum on "Living Wage for Americans, Where did it go?" and who took it away and is still taking it away... etc.  Talk about the (continuing) destruction of overtime, play it big.
    Would be an excellent idea during the RNC or shortly afterwards.  Because the Repubs will be ladleing out the "ownership class" fuss and nothing.

    I think middle America would listen, frankly they see survival going down the tubes...There was so much desperation in America in '92 and it is still there, only worse.

  •  I posted on this (none / 0)

    Oh, I noticed this shift.

    First, the tax cuts hikes your local and state taxes, now this siphons money out of your pocket. Shitty rules, designed to screw workers.

  •  Bushco used Swift Boat Liars for Truth as cover (4.00 / 2)

    for many things including the changes to the labor rules.  Last week, when the changes where enacted, I heard a piece on NPR.  Included was a sound bite of Elaine Chao stating that the labor rules, which had been co-authored by the Bush Labor Department and business groups, would be good for workers.  I nearly wrecked my car in shock, hearing her say that and thinking that any person with an historical perspective of the labor movement would believe a word of it.  Almost all the productivity (and hence profitability) gains made by American business in the past 10 years have been extracted from the workers.
    •  BushCo absolutely operates (none / 0)

      on the "saying it's so makes it so" premise, and they get away with it a good part of the time.  It helps that the mainstream media as a whole is owned and controlled by corporations-- the best interests of which corporations are found in the Republican agenda-- and therefore will simply report what's said, not what's true.

      I had a co-worker last week tell me (he's a Bush backer, at the age of 29 -- how sad) that he doesn't believe one word that he hears or sees on the BBC news -- the BBC! -- and he reads the Washington Times every day.  He thinks the BBC is a bunch of lies, and he believes what he reads in Sun Myung Moon's newspaper.  

      It was days before I could even look at the guy without laughing helplessly.

      "When fanatics are on top there is no limit to oppression" -- H.L. Mencken

      by cinnamondog on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 03:00:57 PM PDT

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  •  the 10,000 chefs march (4.00 / 2)

    to protest the pay cut they were given with the new overtime rules. they'd have to protest in full kitchen whites, in the morning when most of them aren't working. could the unionized kitchen employees in new york arrange something like this quickly enough to take place during the republican convention?

    Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.

    by gracchus on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:05:37 AM PDT

    •  Perhaps this is a little naive, but (none / 0)

      I think everyone who is effected should protest by halting work just before they reach that overtime, no matter what they are doing.  

      My husband used to work at a company that made millions, though they couldn't seem to pay him a decent wage.  Almost every day they would try to make him work overtime, and every time, he would walk out at 5 pm.  

      "You can't expect people to have the virtue of purity when they are poor." -Bob Dylan

      by tryptamine on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 03:31:09 PM PDT

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  •  Workers of the world, unite! (none / 1)

    I heard a report on BBC World last night that was about how workers in the UE are having their work weeks increased from 35 to 40 hours a week with no pay increase. Employers argue this is necessary to remain competitive in a global economy. Do you see where this is heading? Marx called it.
  •  General Strike!!! (none / 0)

    Would this ever happen in the US on the scale that we see in European nations, for example?

    I don't think so.  For all the hoopla and outrage, people, I am afraid that US workers are sheep, pushovers, and too afraid to stand up for themselves today.

    "I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused..." - Elvis

    by Gearhead on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:14:26 AM PDT

    •  doubtful (none / 0)

      the last time it happened here was in 1877 and they sent in the Federal troops with a not inconsiderable loss of life (ours of course). I can't imagine most modern Americans having the moral courage to stare that down. Hell, 50% of us can't even drag their asses off the couch to vote ferchrissake - and protecting your liberties just doesn't get any easier than that.
    •  general strikes generally don't work (none / 0)

      winnipeg 1919, britain in the 20s (22?). generally they've proven to be counterproductive. the labor federation in british columbia passed on one earlier this year. they've beloved of trotskyists, however.

      Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.

      by gracchus on Sun Aug 29, 2004 at 08:18:35 AM PDT

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  •  Washington Post piece from January (none / 0)

    I was talking about this in newsgroups earlier this year -- before I discovered KOS. Here's how Bu$hCo shoved legislation through:


    Chao Refuses To Delay New Overtime Rule

    By Kirstin Downey
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, January 21, 2004; Page E01

    Labor Secretary Elaine L. Chao yesterday denied a public request by Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) to delay until September the department's
    business-backed plan to overhaul overtime rules.

    "Enough time has been spent on delays and studies of all sorts," Chao
    told Specter at a hearing, adding that the department intends to put
    the new regulations into effect by March 31. She said employers are spending $2 billion a year on "needless litigation" by workers seeking
    overtime pay. The lawsuits diverted money from "job creation and better pay and benefits," Chao said.

    Specter, chairman of the Appropriations subcommittee on labor, who called the hearing to provide what he had called a full airing of the
    issue, asked Chao to remain in the hearing room while experts debated how many workers could lose overtime pay because of the
    regulations. But Chao left after testifying.

    In an interview after the hearing, Specter said he could do little to stop the Bush administration from implementing the changes, which he criticized at the hearing as endangering workers' overtime earnings
    and further complicating already-complex employment laws.

    Specter said the Bush administration could push ahead with the revisions regardless of the outcome of the appropriations battle
    underway in the Senate. Efforts by Specter and others to strip money to enforce
    the overtime changes from the bill passed the House and Senate, but were removed after strong White House lobbying.

    Employer groups applauded Chao's decision to push ahead with the revisions.

    "It's a very favorable sign for employers," said employment lawyer Camille A. Olson. "She refused to delay the implementation."

    At the hearing, the Department of Labor and business groups said the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 needs to be updated to protect
    workers, as well as to reduce the number of employers being sued by workers.

    The department has emphasized the portions of the regulations that would benefit low-wage workers. The new rules would make anyone
    earning less than $22,100 automatically eligible for overtime pay, up from $8,060, a figure last revised in 1975. But critics have noted
    that the rules would also exempt from mandatory overtime pay anyone "in a position of responsibility" or earning more than $65,000 a year.

    "Without any hearings, with the stroke of a pen, the secretary of Labor is about to adversely affect the lives of millions of Americans," said Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.).

    Jared Bernstein, senior economist at the Economic Policy Institute, testified that his analysis indicates that nearly 8 million workers
    could lose overtime pay as a result of the changes. He said the Labor Department's estimate that 644,000 workers could lose overtime was too
    narrow, because the department examined only the 11 million people who were paid overtime in 2002, rather than the wider pool of 90 million
    workers currently eligible.

    Ronald Bird, chief economist of the Employment Policy Foundation, called Bernstein's numbers "a wild guess" because the U.S. job market
    is too complex for precise analysis.

    If the SCLM had been doing their job, then this should have been the #1 story in January.

    Whenever there is a war to be fought, those who are the most likely to fight it are the least likely to gain from it.

    by Jank2112 on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:19:56 AM PDT

    •  "Needless Litigation" (none / 1)


      Here's how the thing works:  employers who should be paying overtime to certain workers entitled to it - by and under the law - get sued by those workers for, think now, think . . .  yup, violating the law!

      So, what're employers who chronically violate the law (and, thus, suffer from "needless litigation") to do?  Bingo!  Change the law.

      See how easy it is if you just sit back, relax and let . . . it . . . just . . . happen. Ahhhhh.....
       

      "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

      by BenGoshi on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:30:30 AM PDT

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      •  The Dirty Little Secret (4.00 / 5)

        The original intent of the overtime provision was to create jobs -- this was New Deal legislation after all.

        In its original form, it exempted sales, managerial, and professional workers -- on the rationale that these people had the freedom to set their own hours.  And it kept employers from misclassifying people by having a high minimum salary for exemption.

        Employer's first move was to confuse "exempt" with "salaried" making people believe that, if they were salaried, they were not only exempt from overtime payments but prohibited by law from receiving them.

        Over the past thirty-six years of Republican administrations, the minimum salary has been allowed to erode through inflation.  The new rule sets it at $23,300, which is laughable.

        Apparently the scope of protection and the minimum salary level can be set administratively by issuing new rules.

        If we accomplish our mission of getting out the vote, the new administration should replace these rules by raising the mininum salary to $150,000 and removing the restrictions of healthcare, restaurant, and retail employees.

        Then the new Congress needs to toughen the restrictions for "off clock" work, narrow the defition of what an exempt employee is, and index the minimum salary to inflation.

        Otherwise, we are creating a slave labor economy that does not create jobs.

    •  "A Position of Responsibility"?? WTF (none / 0)

      Well, I guess this is good news for Senior Administration Officials. Or is that accountability? I thought the two were connected. Hmm. But I digress.  

      Anyway, what person gets a job without being in a position of responsibility? When I started work cleaning up in a bakery, I was in a position of responsibility: if I didn't clean the dead flies out of the bakery, no one would buy our goods. Would this disqualify me?  

      That's a really scary phrase, considering wage stagnancy and the (ceaseless?) increasing of responsibility for all workers that results from job loss through outsourcing, layoffs, etc.

      Those against politics are in favor of the politics inflicted upon them. Bertolt Brecht

      by akapensensei on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:49:49 AM PDT

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    •  Hoeffel's got to use this (none / 0)

      He has to tie Specter to the overtime changes and hang him with it from now until November.

      -Hope never cost Corporate America a dime -Somebody blow Bush so we can impeach him already.

      by DWCG on Thu Aug 26, 2004 at 12:45:47 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  But You See... (none / 1)


    Wolf Blitzer, Jack Cafferty, Judy Woodruff, Andrea Mitchell, Paula Zahn, Bill Scheider, Cokie Roberts, (the hugely overrated and inexplicably venerated) Brian Lamb, Tim Russert, all of Fox News and ABC, CBS, NBC just don't care.  Period.

    Now, as the man said, "Shut up and go back to your crayons."

    "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

    by BenGoshi on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:21:29 AM PDT

    •  They Don't Get Overtime Pay (none / 0)

      The big news anchors make millions.  They don't get overtime pay; overtime pay doesn't help them pay college tuition for their kids or let them take the family out to dinner at Pizza Hut.

      If you look at the overtime pay material on the Department of Labor website, it is a joke.  You have no idea who benefits and who loses.  Having figured this out now for some clients, one answer is that women get hurt more than men.  

      People will be seeing the results in their paychecks.  Then the howls will begin and the fingerprints of the Bush Administration are all over this one.

      •  Well, let's just say . . . (none / 0)


        . . . that if Pelosi's predictions are true, then your last sentence is bound to (likely to) also come true.  

        Then, naturally, we will be innundated with facts, analysis and Wolf's eager and breathless reporting on (drum roll please . . .) shark attacks on Florida's Gulf Coast (and the effect they're having on Chandra Levy), Tom Ridge's latest warning that a gang of TERRORISTS were single-handedly apprehended and beaten to a pulp by Our President (as they attempted to thwart one of Our President's Biblically-inspired brush-clearing sessions), and New & Serious Allegations that John Kerry LIED about never having watched an episode of C.H.I.P.s -- (a tearful Eric Estrada will make the Shout Show circuit, along with Bob Dole and a group of Concerned Veterinarians (woof, woof) to "get to the truth."

        Stay tuned . . .

        "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

        by BenGoshi on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:48:03 AM PDT

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      •  Unless (none / 1)

        People will be seeing the results in their paychecks.

        unless employers are smart enough not to revise their policies until after the election.

        I fully believe that greed will trump strategy, making your statement true.

    •  what does it say... (none / 0)

      ...when the elevating of the terror alert color [because colors are pretty] gets far more press than changing of sometime ubiquitous like overtime rules?

      I lost my faith in nihilism

      by PanzerMensch on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:31:34 AM PDT

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  •  Sleight of hand (none / 0)

    Last night, John Kerry was on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart, and he made the exact point that Trapper John opens with (courtesy of Pandagon).  The Bush campaign can't talk about the issues, so they focus on meaningless lies about events 35 years in the past.  C'mon!  What else have they got?  They surely can't run on their record.
  •  I don't understand (none / 0)

    why we are losing on these issues. I was out to dinner the other night with a teacher and her fiance. This was a dem in a union complaining about the unions.

    She said they have never done anything for her. I told her that although her pay sucks she would be in worse shape without her union. Tepid agreement.

    She said the union was forcing the schools to keep bad teachers. I told her that that was a bad side effect of making sure that good teachers weren't fired when they started making "too much" money. No real agreement.

    Trapper
    If you ever have the time can you put together a post with good solid answers to the spin that the GOP has been so successfull with against the unions? It would be a good tool for us when we meet people like this misguided woman I met that night.

    •  mike, yeah, it's tough (none / 0)

      but you have the right answers already. a little research and you'll realize that the further argument to make centers on one fact the flight of capital from the U.S.

      A little matter will move a party, but it must be something great that moves a nation. Thomas Paine, Rights of Man

      by SpuytenD on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:36:49 AM PDT

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  •  Let's beat this drum incessantly. (none / 0)

    When the administration first put forward this "working-class pay cut" program I was very frustrated that the media discussion always highlighted the GOP spin about the hundreds of thousands of workers who would benefit from raising the automatic coverage threshold from around $8,000 to $22,000, and they treated the discussion of the millions who would lose out as a "he-said, she-said" sort of argument.  This weekend, when I read about it in the papers and saw the reports on TV I was very gratified to see that more of the focus was on the fact that millions of working people stand to take a cut in pay.  The reporting still fails to state the obvious -- namely that the failure to adjust the $8,000 figure for inflation for many years could have been corrected without making the other changes which will cut the pay of other workers.  
    Nonetheless, this is a perfect issue to hammer both the Bush Greedministration, and the congressional Republicans whose votes prevented the Democratic attempts to prevent this hijacking of overtime pay.  

    Since this issue actually puts in stark relief how a vote for a Republican is against a working person's economic self-interest, this is the kind of issue which could cause a large number of social conservatives to focus on their own pocketbook instead of gays and guns.  I hope that the DNC and the Kerry campaign both put a significant effort into focusing attention on this assault on middle-class American's paychecks.  

  •  Day care workers! (none / 0)

    Thanks, I hadn't thought of that.

    Toodling off to tell the sole republican at my daughter's day care center how the republicans in DC have screwed her out of a good chunk of her paycheck.

    Is there a comprehensive list somewhere of who exactly is getting screwed by this rules change?  I'd heard nurses, heavy equipment operators....?

  •  It's the media/corporations, etc. (none / 0)

    Sorry to say this but it is the media that keeps this swift boat issue alive in preference to having talking heads discuss the erosion of wages, overtime, etc. And they do so because of ratings, and that's because that's what people want to see. When the be-all and end-all of life is the almighty fucking dollar and the big almighty fucking corporations are running the decrepit and gutless media then you will always get shit like this. This is because of advertising, acquisitions of material goods which we do not need being the goal of life. etc. etc.
    This society today is fixated on money. Not value, not art, not reading, not the environment, not the worth of what you do (whatever it is) but MONEY. ALmost everything in US society is driven by $. THe media runs with that story because people watch & then the advertisers make more $, and so on down the line. A worker who finds out via the t.v. that (s)he has just lost overtime pay is likey to turn off the idiot box in a rage. So...the stations do all they can to avoid that. So they run the news shows with garbage.

    Until and unless we start valuing something other than $, things are going to go from awful to worse. As the old saying goes: "money is the eats of all roovils".

    "The truth waits for eyes unclouded by longing." The Tao Te Ching

    by hester on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:46:43 AM PDT

    •  we should discuss God (none / 0)

      as i said in my diary last night...

      http://ihlin.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/24/234914/849

      unlike some folks, i think we shoudl discuss God and morality. cause i dont think she would approve of cutting working americans pay check, making them work harder to provide for their families and children. i don't think she approves of arrogant foreign policy that treats other nations like pod scum. so unlike Dean, i believe a discussion of God is HIGHLY relevant, mainly the point that NO political party has a monopoly on representing God and in a lot of cases, Democratic economic values are way more in line theologically than the GOP's "favor the wealthy and rich" politics.

      the problem with the Democrats and some of the secular white activists in the party is their blindess to linking economics to MORALITY in order to win people over to their message. unless you do, talking about some technocratic change in labor laws is not going to win people over. a fire and brimstone approach of an old testament prophet like Amos, who repeatedly condemned injustice against the poor and powerless, is the way you win over a lot of middle America. hester's comments about greed and money are right on. they are the sort of sentiments you will find many conservative Christian evangelicals agreeing with. if we want to start winning back some rural areas that used to be part of the New Deal, this is the message we need to run with.

      i do expect Edwards' faith and family and rewarding hard work rhetoric will do a good job of doing just this. but in general, Dems should not shy away from calling the GOP's hypocrisy on "God and family".  

  •  Dear God, (none / 0)

    While I enjoy your latest creation Homo Sapian, I would like to draw your attention to a design flaw. It is the shit filter located in the cerebral cortex. Apparently a large number of the current model Homo Sapian have a defective Shit Filter (part #42356) and as a result appear to believe anything their told, especially if it's repeated often enough.

    Though it may appear a minor flaw in an otherwise wonderful product, it can in fact lead to serious harm as in the current American election cycle. Please recall this product and repair asap. And please illiminate this flaw from your next model.

    Respectfully,

    Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past. George Orwell

    by moon in the house of moe on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 09:57:01 AM PDT

  •  Wingnuts deserve the government they want ... (none / 0)

    Since these rabid, fascist nutcases so badly want a government that governs through spin, fear, half-truths, and religious extremism, I think we should let them have it.

    Let's them all move to Texas and then promptly leave the Union (the logistics might be a little tough, but hey - I'd gladly move).  George can be installed as the Mighty Emperor; of course, he can have his palace built in Crawford so he can be on vacation 365 days a year.

    You wonder what these folks would do if they went completely unchecked.  

    "Self-respect is the keystone of democracy"

    by neverontheright on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 10:02:20 AM PDT

  •  Jobless Recovery (none / 0)

    This is just another way for Dubya to preserve his unblemished record of a jobless "recovery".

    If we can pull off  a "watershed" election, Dubya can join Hoover as a whip to beat Republicans with, and we can stop being defensive about McGovern.

  •  And the next crisis... (none / 0)

    Semi-OT but the Seattle Times business section has an interesting article on the potential implosion of Airline pension funds.
    •  Airlines should be a Untility not a business (none / 0)

      A guy said this on CNBC yesterday. An analyst.  he said the airlines have never made money for any extended period and yet they were vital, so we should treat them a sa utility not a business and not expect them to make money.

      Last time I heard, this sensible notion was called "airline regulation," and it was based on the idea that the country needed some routes enough to subsidize them, since the companies couldn't make them profitable.

      Gee whiz--maybe there was something to that idea after all.  Maybe everything can't be run as a business after all.  Maybe making money isn't everything.

      John McCain--he's not who you think he is.

      by Mimikatz on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 12:13:21 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Pension dumping by corporations (none / 0)

      is about to become the next savings and loan bailout if they get away with it. If United Airlines does it, US Airways is next, probably followed by other airlines and possibly other corporations obsessed with immediate returns to shareholders.

      This is a fundamental breech of the the social contract -- and since the Federal government insures pensions, the taxpayers (the middle class!) are going to have to pay for it.

      "If exposures create claims that reach catastrophic levels, taxpayers will be called upon to provide a bailout," Ippolito said.
      Chicago Trib's version of the story

      It turns out the current CEO of United negotiated a golden pension agreement before taking the job, so this won't hurt him. David Lazarus in the SF Chronicle does a nice takedown on this.

      We need a Democratic Administration that owes it election to middle class taxpayers and workers at all levels to stop this theft!

  •  media ignorance (none / 0)

    in this case isn't so bad, really.

    in fact i'm almost glad they're not covering it.  because millions of americans will be getting the news in their own paychecks very soon now.  and if you regularly get, say $700 a week, and suddenly you're only getting $500 a week for the same hours, that's not something that can be spun.

    millions of otherwise apolitical americans will suddenly be hopping mad about this one, and you can be sure all their friends and relatives are gonna hear about it.

    it is of course important for the dems to keep hammering on this one, because if we were to let up now, you can be sure that the repugs would try to blame us for it.

    the only question now is whether employers will be smart enough to leave things alone until after the election, or will they be a bunch of short-sighted, greedy SOB's who won't be able to restrain themselves from pocketing the extra money they no longer have to pay their workers?  perhaps that's a rhetorical question.

    l'audace! l'audace! toujours l'audace!

    by zeke L on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 11:05:42 AM PDT

  •  "Fuzzy Math" (none / 0)

    Kerry should hammer Bush with this in the debates, and make a point of calling their rosy figures "fuzzy math".  In fact, their are dozens of instances (WMD, economic indicators, etc.) where the Bush Administration has relied on crooked accounting practices.  It's their MO.

    Fuzzy Math Mr. Bush.  Fuzzy Math.

  •  Sidebar: USA Today (!) (none / 0)

    But some, such as USA Today (!), actually attempted to separate the manure from the produce, concluding that "New overtime rules are mostly bad news for employees."

    I suspect we can thank new editor Ken Paulson for USA Today's new spine and ability to tell the truth. Before being named editor in April, Paulson ran the First Amendment Center at the Freedom Forum. Definitely someone who understands the role of the press and truth from lie.

    Ken Paulson's bio

    Republicans can't run a country. All they can run is a smear campaign. ~ GMT

    Vice harms the doer ~ Socrates

    by kdub on Wed Aug 25, 2004 at 08:14:55 PM PDT

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