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...instead of reading serious journalism.

First, witness this from Michael Learner, writing in Politico:

President Barack Obama’s very nonideological pragmatism, which has received so much praise inside the Beltway and which has given him public support in his few months in office, will ultimately be the downfall of his presidency.

Second, witness this from Charles Krauthammer, in the same issue of Politico:

Obama, Krauthammer has written in his syndicated Washington Post column, is committed to "radical health care, energy and education reforms," central to a "social democratic agenda" that promises deep — and ominous — transformations to American life.

That's from the SAME issue of Politico.

This is why Americans tune out the press. It's seems so... obvious that viewpoints we're getting are colored to the point of distortion by the point of view of the writers.

And with the points of view being so divergent, what's a person who just wants it straight to do?

Well, there's always Spike TV.

Sorry for the rant.

Originally posted to EarthTone on Wed May 20, 2009 at 10:38 PM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

    •  What's wrong with video games? (0+ / 0-)

      How are Metal Gear Solid, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Final Fantasy VII, Portal, etc. not just as credible as "art" as the works of Shakespeare?

      Not every video game is Halo or Madden.

      •  Here's the thing. (0+ / 0-)

        There's nothing inherently wrong with games, per se.

        (For the sake of full disclosure, I've been known to be addicted to Diablo II... don't judge me too harshly.)

        But it is a matter of concern, if and when people AVOID political discourse (and the knowledge, insight,consciousness raising, etc, that such discourse it brings), and INSTEAD spend time on activities that don't provide knowledge, insight, etc.

        So yeah, political reading can co-exist with gaming. But when we replace political reading with gaming, becuase the politcal stuff is so ridiculous, I have a problem.

  •  Well, one is reporting (2+ / 0-)

    and the other is posturing.

    But, Politico doesn't help the reader understand that fundamental difference.

    Nor does much of the Fourth Estate, these days.

    "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

    by wader on Wed May 20, 2009 at 10:50:26 PM PDT

  •  3 points (3+ / 0-)
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    A. I take it from the title that gaming is somehow for some reason inherently and intrinsically bad.  Because passively observing a movie is better than actively engaging with entertainment--perhaps that's why the gaming industry makes more money than Hollywood, providing entertainment to people of varied ages and levels of income and education.

    B.  Spike has Deadliest Warrior, which is my favorite show right now, and really entertaining.  Plus car shows on weekends that educate and inform about basic how-to know-how.  I'm glad there's always Spike, in addition to Cspan.

    C.  Websites have issues?

  •  I like this way of looking at it (3+ / 0-)

    I've ceased to put stock in the notion that Americans are somehow inherently stupid or afraid of information.  They've shown plenty of capacity to rise above simplistic presentation of information- they elected Obama and broadly rejected the Republican Party.  They support single-payer health care and an end to the use of torture.

    Rather, I believe that the American public is done a great disservice, by both its media and its leaders.  They tune them out because they detect, quite rightly, that it may just all be bullshit.

    Nothing is true; everything is permitted.

    by jumpjet on Wed May 20, 2009 at 10:55:46 PM PDT

  •  They dont have to be mutually exclusive (6+ / 0-)

    one can watch junk tv and reaqd serious journalism, I do

    "There is nothing wrong with America can't be cured by what is right with America" -Bill Clinton

    by SensibleDemocrat on Wed May 20, 2009 at 10:59:03 PM PDT

  •  it is a tip-able topic (0+ / 0-)

    bias & slants propel ratings not understanding

    extreme partisanship makes for confusing, often absurd, reporting

    the news comes out from a canon challenging us to keep up

    how do we keep informed to cast a responsible vote?

    big issue

    what we can do, we will do

    by lemarais17 on Wed May 20, 2009 at 11:01:27 PM PDT

  •  THERE'S ALWAYS... (2+ / 0-)
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    Next on Jerry Springer - Republicans, Republican'ts, and the Democrats who enable them!!

    by RepugRepellant on Wed May 20, 2009 at 11:10:12 PM PDT

    •  Im not a sports guy but is oddly compelling (0+ / 0-)

      They're all underdogs and they want it so's strangely stirring

      •  You are not a Sports Guy.. (0+ / 0-)

        Well consider working for the Yankees...thats how i fell in love with baseball...try to root for a basketball team and you might fall in love with Basketball...consider going to hockey game and you might fall in love with Tiger Woods often, and you will appreciate the genius in golf and love it.

        I cant believe theres a NOT sports guy out there...but keep it up if you are still not interested. Your girl/wife might find it very appealing and nice.

        •  I'm a NOT sports guy (0+ / 0-)

          my Mom and my younger sister and her partner sometimes watch football, but my Dad, older sister, brother-in-law and myself are all completely disinterested by sports.

          Economic Left/Right: -4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.82
          This sig is the former home of a witty Monty Python quote.

          by AaronInSanDiego on Thu May 21, 2009 at 03:18:04 AM PDT

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        •  Why? (0+ / 0-)

          Seriously, why? I'm one of those gamers that is so maligned, and I have never figured out how watching someone else play a game makes you more manly than playing one yourself.

          Why would I want to be a sports guy? This is not always a class of person you would want to be identified with.

    •  Ninja Warrior is awesome (0+ / 0-)

      The first couple of courses are amusing sorts of things that it looks like an ordinary person might be able to get through. The last two, on the other hand...

  •  I'd like to think I play video games (4+ / 0-)

    because I love video games, and not because Krauthammer and Politico both suck big time.

    I'd rather spend 10 solid hours trying to beat that bastard of a last level in Super Mario Bros than read Krauthammer's tripe even once!

  •  meh...that's giving the american people too much (3+ / 0-)


    i think there is a pervasive feeling that politics is something that people argue about and not something that has consequences to real people in the real world...and certainly not something that one person can effect (not my words...just the feeling)

    the solution is to demonstrate the connectedness and to demonstrate that you can make a difference

  •  I think the reason Americans are so (1+ / 0-)
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    seemingly apathetic is a bit more complex than that, but games and TV are one easy escape.

    I'm not sure it would win hearts and minds, but I do think it might occupy folks so that they were too busy to participate in suicide bombings if we brought cable TV to the Middle East.

    Instead of giving everyone an machine gun we could give them a TV.

    My dryer has the option of "more dry" or "less dry". Personally, I like to wear my clothes "more dry".

    by ZenTrainer on Wed May 20, 2009 at 11:20:03 PM PDT

    •  I just finished playing XBOX 007 myself (2+ / 0-)
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      But i also keep myself posted with CSPAN, DemocracyNow among others. Video game is definitely a way to escape, but i only play them when i dont have to study for school Lol.

      News on the other hand is addictive, i cant help but watch them even when i have exams coming up

      •  Yeah, they don't have a whole lot of school (0+ / 0-)

        in many parts of the Middle East, or jobs, or news.

        Nothing to do but rock back and forth and pray and then bomb something.

        In that situation I would probably be more than willing to blow myself up.

        We have to give them something else to do. School and jobs are the best answer for long term, but TV is cheap and available and subversive as well.

        My dryer has the option of "more dry" or "less dry". Personally, I like to wear my clothes "more dry".

        by ZenTrainer on Thu May 21, 2009 at 09:56:33 AM PDT

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  •  Um, Politico is "serious journalism"???? (2+ / 0-)
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    One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

    by RandomActsOfReason on Thu May 21, 2009 at 12:24:53 AM PDT

  •  Gov. Granholm weighs in (5+ / 0-)

    Games like "Grand Theft Auto" reinforce choices that are "not just antisocial, they are sickening," she said.

    "As a mother, it is my job to protect my children. As governor, it is my job to make sure everybody's children are protected."

    Please keep tis blowhard off the Supreme Court.

    Practicing Law without a License is my 3d favorite Crime.

    by ben masel on Thu May 21, 2009 at 01:13:05 AM PDT

    •  Linky (2+ / 0-)
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      Practicing Law without a License is my 3d favorite Crime.

      by ben masel on Thu May 21, 2009 at 01:14:14 AM PDT

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    •  I'm tired of the same 'ol crap about... (0+ / 0-)

      How video games incites a person to violence.  I've played them 23 out of the 28 years I've lived, and never felt compelled to violence by them.  I'm not quite sure where that argument comes from... does driving from point A to point B in a video game teach kids or people who don't know better how to run an arms or drug deal, let alone proficient with pistols?  It's the job of the parents to sieve out the "bad" shit these kids see, not the state or federal level.  These games are rated for fuck's sake...  

    •  I absolutely agree with her. (1+ / 0-)
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      There are a lot of video games that children shouldn't be playing and "Grand Theft Auto" is one of them. I have seen my own children mimic the violent activities they see on tv cartoons, how much worse it is if they are actively making the violence happen on the screen by pushing a button?

      You would think children wouldn't need to be told that there is no Reset button on life, but they do. Constantly.

      Now if she had said, "No one should have the right to make a game like "Grand Theft Auto", then I would take issue with her.

      As if things could get worse without getting better.

      by A Voice on Thu May 21, 2009 at 03:00:45 AM PDT

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      •  I can agree with that... It's the responsibility (0+ / 0-)

        Of a parent to be that filter.  I watched HBO, Cinemax (or better known as Skinemax after the lights go down), played the violent games, love FPS (first-person shooters) but abhor guns but for marksmanship.  I think if you want to hunt, try a crossbow.  As many people as I've "killed", and if you count all the games God know how many people I've "killed", I'm a pacifist.  I think the "reset" button is understandable, but if you're eight years-old and think you can get ran-over by a car by not looking both ways... Darwin called... ;)

      •  But, good for you to ban the GTA. I know... (0+ / 0-)

        Way too many people who don't, despite my love of the game.

        •  Er, for their kids. :) n/t (0+ / 0-)
        •  Much (2+ / 0-)
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          to many folks horror, I have not, and still havn't, banned any of the GTA's, or any game really, from my son.

          He's 9, we've been playing games together since he was old enough to fit his hands around the controller.

          I've had many recoil at this, but please, allow me to explain BEFORE condemning me as the prospective father of Issues to Insanity.

          GTA came along when he noticed it at 5, and wanted to try something OTHER than things like Fusion Frenzy, or Racing games.

          When approaching this game, and games in general, I was determined to NOT limit his content choices except to his taste, however, EDUCATION would be key in properly understanding the place of games in your life, and the rules that apply THERE.

          Beginning to play, it was established that the GAME is the GAME, LIFE is LIFE.
          In the game,there are good guys and bad guys, in the game, you are effectively Immortal.
          In the GAME, YOU are NOT a "Good Guy".
          In the GAME, It's alright to do things that would be HORRIBLE in LIFE.

          This was not unique to grand theft auto. We discussed the same over Fable, Command and Conquer RE:2, Resident Evil 4, Psychonauts, MarioKart, and several DOZEN others. Some with no more explination than "I get to be an Elf, Warrior, Wizard or Amazon?? COOL!"

          I've never had problem one with repeating in game actions....DIALOGUE perhaps, but never violent acting out. Well, perhaps to his hot wheels.
          He enjoys games on his own, and we enjoy them together. We also go on bike rides, hikes, we do his homework, read, and discuss the world. Recently our New President, who he thinks is SO cool that he looks like his best friend at schools DAD, AND Command and Conquer 3, which he thinks doesn't have enough to it's tech tree (we've graduated from console to PC).

          Flame me if you want, This works for us, and has helped us grow closer, and inspired HIM have some greater undertanding of the world and it's history.

          •  I'm with you man (0+ / 0-)

            I go further than you. My two year old is obsessed with watching me play Left for Dead - to the point where I had to stop (the daycare complained that he was talking about zombies too much).

            For the non-gamers in the audience, Left 4 Dead is your basic zombie movie - small group of survivors have to get from point a to point b without succumbing to the horde of undead - in game form. At first glance, most people are horrified that I would let a child get anywhere near it.

            But here is the thing that non-gamers don't understand - as realistic as games are, they are not real life. Even a two year old can distinguish the difference. P. is far more disturbed by mild violence on television than a half hour bloodbath in L4D. He understands it isn't real.

            For all of you "think of the children" types - especially you, A Voice - every child is different. Perhaps your kid can't handle Bugs Bunny. I honestly have never a met a kid that couldn't, but I grant that you might have a...special child. I don't. I monitor my child closely, and make adjustments where necessary.

            Why is it that all of the "games are teh EBIL" types are never players? It's obvious the author of this diary has never played a real game - a Bioshock, Oblivion, or Call of Duty 4. If he had, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

    •  Seriously. GTA is actually quite moral. (0+ / 0-)

      Run someone over, your wanted level goes up. Run from the cops, your wanted level goes up even more.

      Get caught and you fail your current mission, lose half your money, your weapons, and your car.

      Hell, in GTA:SA you were fighting a heroin-pushing gang to get them out of your neighborhood.

  •  ?? (1+ / 0-)
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    I would prefer "MANswers" to Krauthammer, Thanks.

    And I would prefer "Katamari Damacy" a fitting BOOKEND to any reading of HuffPo, Dkos, or The Nation....fantastic to roll things up, then roll things up, then roll things up again. Or play Resident Evil, and understand the Evil Machinations of Umbrella (not a whole lot worse than Blackwate....'scuse, Xe....). OR play Wow, and engage in the same thing I do HERE, but with a Bow and a Wolf.

    Please don't hate on junk TV, unlike the body, exercising the mind doesn't hurt (much), and even masticating crap can be a great experience. It teaches you to KNOW badly acted crap when you taste it. See: Michael Steele.

    Please don't hate on Games, Gamers, or The Industry.
    From our point of view, attempting to marginalize us in that way is what drives us AWAY from more sources of educated media or opinions....I don't CARE if you've got the most INTERESTING essay in the world on Who did WHAT, WHEN, and WHY, and how bad WAS it....Tell me that I'm not educated enough or motivated enough to read something challenging or worthwhile becase I enjoy Games, and I'll tell you you're right and show you my middle finger.

    •  Some things I have learned from games recently (0+ / 0-)
      1. That the British access to easy portage in the 1700s naturally positioned them to be a world power due to the explosion of international trade. It had little to do with anything British. (Empire Total War)
      1. Caribean geography (Sid Meier's Pirates)
      1. Byzantine favoritism for heavy calavary made for easy pickings with the traditional European powers, but helped speed Constantinople's fall due new horse archer tactics brought by "barbarians" from the east. (Medieval Total War 2)
      1. Polish to english translation sounds different to the English ear than any other language I have encountered to date (The Witcher)
  •  Ahhhhh, I've become comfortably numb. nt (0+ / 0-)

    America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln

    by pathman on Thu May 21, 2009 at 07:34:10 AM PDT

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