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I cannot begin to say how disappointing I find this symbolic resolution that passed our State senate 28-10.

FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) - The state Senate has approved a resolution
declaring the Kentucky coal industry exempt from oversight by the
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
The resolution passed 28-10 in a floor vote held Monday
afternoon.

True it has no teeth, trying to tell the EPA they have no authority to regulate coal or other polluters in our state. A state with the sixth worst mercury pollution and a whole list of other problems.

I guess we should just trust the big coal companies like our state republicans and democrats want us to do. I mean, it's not like they have ever been caught lying to the people or putting their own interests above the safety and health of the people! Oh wait...does this guy count?

Probably not, like with the violence he must be just another "lone wolf" event...

Truth is it just boggles my mind. All the detrimental effects that we know this industry has on our health, our environment, and the safety of its own workers you would think that maybe, just maybe...something of a conscience would kick in with some of these people. Carcinogens, heavy metals, they don't care. They simply don't care.

You cannot shame those without conscience. Nor can you convince a population that thinks it is more dependent upon the industry than it really is that the industry is harming them more than it is ultimately helping them. That the EPA does what it does for their benefit, even though frankly they don't do much around here to reel these pricks in, their intent is the health and safety of the people and environment. Most here, don't know half the poisons being dumped in the system.

I just find it all so frustrating.

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  •  Tips for a Resolution.. (6+ / 0-)

    To call these lawmakers dumbasses.

    •  Ever been hungry? (0+ / 0-)

      Oh i dont mean 'geez i ran out of donuts!" hungry. I mean hungry as in your out of beans. And beans are the only food you get day to day?

      Ourside Lexington, Paducah, Louisville the vast majority of KY lives  near that level. Yes.. there are what people in CT, NY, CALI would call "minimum wage jobs" and even a very few middle class jobs. But for the most part the people of kentucky are dirt poor. Just as the people of WV, VA etc outside the large cities.

      Thats what these legislators are protecting. Quite a few of them are of course wingnuts. Dont be shocked if you find some very very progressive representatives voting to protect coal and tobacco though as they see "starving children" as a more urgent problem than climate change.

      Kentucky has one of the most corrupt political systems in the US outside NYC and Chicago. Its corruption is deeply rooted and its people kept in perpetual poverty. IF we want to change the fate , and the outlook, of people in states like KY, WV, AK, AL, IN, OH etc etc etc etc we might do better to spend some of the huge subsidies we send to the big electoral states like cali and ny there to change the economies.

      Its easy to sit in SF sneering at the people in Manchester Ky for their ecoevil while you sip a late made with water stolen from the states east of you in an act of eco rape. Or sitting at your computer in a NYC apartment drinking out of a plastic bottle that will be in our ecosystem for a millenia while the company you work for dumps so much toxic waste in the river its in danger of catching flame.

      We would do better trying to make this a fair nation and workign together to improve the lives of people forced to crawl down 24 inch seams a half mile into the earth daily for pocketchange than by snickering at them from the comfort of our eco-ignorance.

      A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

      by cdreid on Tue Mar 01, 2011 at 01:56:07 PM PST

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      •  Excuse me? (0+ / 0-)

        I live in coal country. I know all too well the level of poverty in this area. As I know the many health issues in this area. Cancer is rampant, our streams contaminated with carcinogens and heavy metals. THAT is what this is protecting. Not those jobs that frankly have been getting booted for the cheaper strip mining rather than deep mining. Then they declare themselves bankrupt leaving the mess for the people to deal with....

        Yes, I know the poor you are talking about, I see them every day. Care for their families, and know their plight because my grandfather too was a miner. Mining left alone, our people are poor, mining required to clean up their act...the people are poor. At least with the later, someone is taking our health into account.

        •  I guess (0+ / 0-)

          as long as you "see those people" and are willing for them to sacrifice a little more so you can feel emotionally comfortable while you sip your bottled watter and post on dk with your 600 watt desktop while your 1000 watt plasma runs in the background its all good then. I mean.. its not YOUR fault! /snark

          A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

          by cdreid on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 01:36:45 PM PST

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          •  So... (0+ / 0-)

            Let them be surrounded by carcinogens, mercury, Hexavalent Chromium, Selenium, CO2, etc. etc. because you are more comfortable with the handful employed by this corrupt, dangerous and self-interested industry so that its 20% of the regional jobs contribution doesn't go away. That way they can afford the chemo! Great thinking....

            Don't get snarky with me, I live in this kettle I am talking about. My family, friends and neighbors eat here, drink here, breath here. If they were dumping it in your back yard, you wouldn't like it either....

            •  I was one of them (0+ / 0-)

              we spent years eating nothing but beans on the few meals a week  we ate. And the outhouse was a lot more dangerous than the coal dust. My dad was a coal minder.

              Seems to me youre sitting here burning coal to tell me how the people who dig that coal out of the ground are evil.

              A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

              by cdreid on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 07:59:44 PM PST

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              •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

                I am criticizing legislators who pander to the industry and refuse to admit the harmful effect that this industry has on the region. That they would demonize organizations there for the benefit of the people to protect their health and environment.

                My only criticism of the people was that most are not aware of the environmental or health impacts of the pollution by this industry, and rally behind them contrary to their own best interests.

                •  Thats the thing you dont get (0+ / 0-)

                  the legislators are doing this because if they did otherwise the people would run them out on a rail. Only Lexington, Paducah and Louisville arent surviving due to coal and tobacco.

                  And the one thing that drives me insane about progressives is their belief that they know whats best for others and should be given the power to make those decisions. The families of those coal miners, of the equipment makers, of the lease holders , of all the others involved know what is in their best interests. That is feeding their family. Trying to get them healthcare. Trying to keep them living indoors.

                  It is in the interest of humanity to stop using coal. That doesnt mean it is in the interests of each human to get rid of coal. When california gives up the ecorape of every state around it, when NYC stops being an ecological blight on the world, when Chicago stops polluting the entire country, when i stop using coal power to post on dailykos and you stop using it to drink out of plastic bottles we can attack others.

                  Til then maybe we should try to find solutions that replace coal And give those people a means of making a living.

                  A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

                  by cdreid on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 10:33:14 PM PST

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                  •  The legislators do it to pander for votes... (0+ / 0-)

                    And to scratch the company's back back. Contrary to what you seem to believe, Coal is not the boon for the people you seem to think. You said yourself that those working for it barely make ends meet. Our ancestors once fought against the companies over their rights and living wages. If those ancestors were here now, they would be ran out too. That is pathetic, a stockholm syndrome created by poor education and pandering politicians.

                    Starving, or polluting and contaminating the whole region and everyone that lives, eats and breathes here. Which one impacts the most people? The industry affects more than just the 20% who work for them or make their living off them either directly or indirectly. My criticism is of politicians in their pocket, which leads to the dependence, which encourages the lack of education. I'm not here to argue with other progressives about rather or not the people should be punished. I am saying, they are either way, they just don't realize the effects just letting them do it will bestow upon them.

                    Of course we have to get other industries here first, no doubt or disagreement there. But as long as we let these legislators protect coal the way they do, as long as the people WILL run them out because they don't understand these issues, those industries won't be able to get here.

                    So what do we do? How do we effectively solve this kind of problem other than through criticizing the legislators that protect them and educating people of the dangers?

                    •  Final note (0+ / 0-)

                      Must be nice. As long as it doesnt hurt your pocketbook or mean your family will starve.

                      And dont use "im one of those people! and we must help them by taking away their livelihood" again when you're utterly full of shit.

                      A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

                      by cdreid on Thu Mar 03, 2011 at 05:18:59 PM PST

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                      •  Apparently you prefer they stew in poisons. (0+ / 0-)

                        So long as they have their "barely getting by" jobs and you don't have to concern yourself with what we do here.

                        And you are putting a heap of words in my mouth that I have not said. I never said take away anyone's livelihood. But if they cannot operate without causing serious health problems and polluting our communities they should not be allowed to operate at all.

                        You seem to just want to attack me because you think I want to take away coal jobs. Doing without polluting=killing coal jobs. That is the equation you offer. And no solutions. I ask you in a civil manner your opinions and I get called "full of shit"?

                        WYFP?

                      •  Try to consider it from the perspective of (0+ / 0-)

                        Public health. Just seen a diary on that topic you should consider.

                        •  I hate coal (0+ / 0-)

                          i grew up in the crap. Ive SEEN what it does to entire towns. YOu know what does worse things? Starvation and abject poverty.

                          A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

                          by cdreid on Fri Mar 04, 2011 at 06:14:56 PM PST

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                        •  BTW (0+ / 0-)

                          have you looked into the eco effects of the water bottles that are all the rage now? Especially in cali etc among the "eco" set? Have you looked at the eco effects of cali draining the aquifers of state after state? Have you looked at the health effects of Manhattan, NYC, and industrial  New Jersey dumping MASSIVe amounts of pollutants into the oceans and rivers? Have you considered WHERE the power all that coal is generating goes to? Hint: not ky,wv,nc etc.

                          The hypocrasy on environmentalism by some is shocking

                          A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

                          by cdreid on Fri Mar 04, 2011 at 06:22:05 PM PST

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  •  Boggles the mind as to how they'll implement that. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Sadly, KY isn't the only state: (3+ / 0-)

    Idaho, Montana, and Kansas have similar bills pending/passed.  Thx for diarying.

    Join/follow Climate Hawks and Public Lands; @RL_Miller

    by RLMiller on Tue Mar 01, 2011 at 10:35:57 AM PST

  •  Without coal (0+ / 0-)

    There would be an economic depression in KY and W. VA. Coal  creates jobs, provides half the electricity in America.

    •  Kentucky... (1+ / 0-)
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      through these legislators has a forced dependence on coal. Around 95% of our electricity comes from this source. However, it is not as cheap as many like to think it is, and it is not supplying as many jobs to the area as people believe it does, especially with the increased use of MTR. Only with renewable energy competition to these areas will the people here start looking at the damages caused by this industry in any serious way.

    •  that's by design... (2+ / 0-)
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      the energy industry has resisted moves toward alternative energies for years using their economic clout to purchase political power to enforce their will.

      i'd imagine that the good folks of kentucky and west virginia are adaptable enough that they could perform other jobs, unless you want to contend that the energy industry dominated governments of those states have so starved the education system there that the workers are unfit to do anything other than shovel coal?

      professional sanctimonious purist

      by joe shikspack on Tue Mar 01, 2011 at 11:38:41 AM PST

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      •  They mine coal not shovel it (0+ / 0-)

        And in vast areas of kentucky there is NO other industry. None. Zero. Zilch.

        A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

        by cdreid on Tue Mar 01, 2011 at 01:59:51 PM PST

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        •  And that is where... (2+ / 0-)
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          it gets into the fact that this is by design. They protect coal from not just environmental regulation, but from serious renewable competition as well.

          •  One of the big problems (0+ / 0-)

            and big problems with our system is that the system insures it. You can bet Cali will get lots of military bases. Cali companies lots of .gov contracts. The cali water project was one of the biggest in our history and we still devote huge amounts of money to shipping water to cali. Im not picking on cali insert populous state of your choice here. The little get crumbs. (Ill happily take on the "red states are welfare states false meme any time.. its crap). If we want to move kentucky and wv   away from producing tobacco etc etc etc we have to make a concerted effort to put resources there. But snidely rolling our eyes at people living at a much lower standard of living than the average poster here while declaring what they do to feed their children is evil isnt the way to go about it.

            The people at fault for all those coal power plants arent the people producing the coal. Theyre the people in their manhattan apartment with the AC set to 70 running their 600 watt desktop while drinking out of a plastic bottle and posting attacks on those people on dk.

            A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

            by cdreid on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 01:34:03 PM PST

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            •  Not just the plants. (1+ / 0-)
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              You should see the damage done by the local mines, the MTR. The streams nearby them.

              ...But snidely rolling our eyes at people living at a much lower standard of living than the average poster here while declaring what they do to feed their children is evil isnt the way to go about it....


              Who's doing that? I am snide at the companies and the Blankenships or Senator Brandon Smiths (R-Hazard) who done this crap yet again TODAY....But not the people, I know they can do other things if given the opportunity. I think we may be misinterpreting or something here...
              •  The solution isnt to attack the coal minders (0+ / 0-)

                or the coal companies or even botheer with a wingnut state house.

                The problem is US not a mythical "them". Especially when the them are peopel who cant even guarantee food on their plate tomorrow. The coal miners arent any more ot blame for my using coal energy to fuel this post than the tobacco farmers are for the cigarettes i unfortunately smoke.

                A man is born as many men but dies as a single one.--Martin Heidegger

                by cdreid on Wed Mar 02, 2011 at 08:01:51 PM PST

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