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"I can out-crazy Rick Perry! Really, I can!"

You can be justified if you missed it over the weekend, given the meteorological turmoil along the eastern seaboard. But GOP presidential Michele Bachmann stumped in Florida on Friday at a local sandwich shop. Bachmann is a favorite of ours for bringing the crazy, and she didn't disappoint.

Bachmann, like most Republicans, thinks that the biggest crisis facing our economy today is the poor and underprivileged corporations. And when asked about it, she remained open to giving those needy corporate titans a hand by lowering the federal minimum wage.

Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann said Friday she wouldn't rule out changes to the federal minimum wage as a way to lower the cost of doing business and lure corporations back to the United States.

The Minnesota congresswoman told supporters at a packed sandwich shop that the corporate income tax needs to be reduced because companies are moving to other countries to save money. She was later asked by a reporter whether changes to the minimum wage should also be considered to balance the cost of labor here and overseas.

"I'm not married to anything. I'm not saying that's where I'm going to go," she said.

If that strikes you as fairly thin evidence upon which to convict Bachmann of wanting to take a hatchet to the minimum wage, consider her prior offenses.

As Laura Clawson told us just two months ago, Bachmann's disdain for the minimum wage has been a standard feature of Bachmann's repertoire for years. Consider this nugget from all the way back in 2005:

"Literally, if we took away the minimum wage—if conceivably it was gone—we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level."

Now that she is on the presidential stage, and confronted with a nation that largely supports increasing the minimum wage, she has to be a bit more oblique with her references.

Case in point--this exchange with George Stephanopoulos back in June:

Stephanopoulos: Let me try one more time, so you are saying that the minimum wage is one of those regulations you’d take a look at, you’d try to eliminate it?

Bachmann: Well what I’m saying is that I think we need to look at all regulations, whatever--whatever ones are inhibiting job growth that’s what we need to --

Stephanopoulos: And the minimum wage is one of them?

Bachmann: All regulations George. I think every department. We have just too much expansion of government.

Team Obama and the Democrats have to be, in spite of middling polling, enjoying watching Bachmann, Romney, and Perry playing the batshit-crazy edition of "Can you top this?" It might be the thing that keeps the president's re-election hopes alive amid what, on paper, is some pretty adverse terrain.

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  •  Does She Also Advocate Workhouses? (4+ / 0-)

    This dimwit has zero understanding of economics and zero empathy. If this is what passes as "Christian" these days, I'll worship Baal.

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:04:37 AM PDT

  •  Of course, they should have proposed (2+ / 0-)
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    googie, vidanto

    increasing the minimum wage last year, but that would have been socialism, so we can't have that.

  •  Bachmann's $2/Gallon Gasoline Would Justify (3+ / 0-)
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    brae70, googie, vidanto

    Her Reducing Minimun Wage to Nothing.

    It's her Teabagging Ku Klux Kristianity manifesting itself for the oil refinery-owning Kochroaches.

  •  The fact that these candidates (4+ / 0-)

    can spout this crap without worrying about the repercussions tells me it's only going to get worse before it gets better.  

  •  She's officially running for VP now. (1+ / 0-)
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    She's stopped saying unequivocally stupid things and is now hedging her bets.

  •  Why doesn't she just advocate (2+ / 0-)
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    Heart of the Rockies, vidanto

    for zero wages? Slavery is in the Bible after all.

    No one ever died from laughing too often

    by googie on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:08:38 AM PDT

  •  I've asked this before and I'll ask it again (0+ / 0-)

    This woman used to be a Dem?

  •  If the minimum wage were zero, (2+ / 0-)
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    googie, Skaje

    then everybody could have a job.

    "If you love your Uncle Sam, bring 'em home; bring 'em home." - Pete Seeger

    by brae70 on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:09:00 AM PDT

    •  Yep, and to top that off.. (0+ / 0-)

      No wages, mean no taxes. Also means, no prices for gas, utilities, food, etc. Everything would be free, for money would have no meaning. The US Dollar would cease to exist, and all those with everything, would have houses full of worthless shit, unless of course, they bought it from another country, that still actually pays for its laborers to make stuff.

      Yes, let us hear it for American Ingenuity: Make jobs by making it a no-wage issue, and reduce America even further into the big, black void of Obamanation.

  •  What republicans really stand for (3+ / 0-)
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    Heart of the Rockies, googie, vidanto

    The job of democrats this election cycle is simple.  Articulate to the American public EXACTLY what republicans stand for:

    1.  eliminating social security, medicare, the minimum wage, environmental regulations, wall street regulations and tax breaks for the poorest among us

    2.  Cutting taxes for the wealthy and corporations

    They can hem and haw and obfuscate, but the record is clear.  This is what republicans stand for.

    If the debate is on the issues, we will win big time.  But that's a big "if."

  •  Now is the time to go Rove: (4+ / 0-)

    Get the ads out there explicitly saying that these zeebs WILL lower the minimum wage.  Don't try what Georgie boy did, flat out say "Bachmann/Perry/Romney will eliminate the minimum wage".

    THAT'S how you drive the wedge.

    And if the President's people won't do it at this time, we have the groups to put ads out nationwide.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

    by zenbassoon on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:11:55 AM PDT

    •  Agreed. (2+ / 0-)
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      zenbassoon, Lefty Coaster

      We need attack ads, NOW. There's so many easy targets it's ridiculous...

      "The Rethugs will:
      -eliminate minimum wage
      -get rid of Medicare
      -kill Social Security
      -cost America jobs"

      There's a simple ad that I thought of in 5 seconds. Surely the ad groups can do something.

  •  if the minimum wage and the price of gas... (1+ / 0-)
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    were the same, then i can haz more jobs per gallon?

  •  This is the thing that will save Obama (2+ / 0-)
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    googie, vidanto
    Bachmann, Romney, and Perry playing the batshit-crazy edition of "Can you top this?"

    Jimmy Carter, an inherently good man faced with similar shitty economic circumstances also had the unfortunate issue of American hostages in Iran - or he likely would have survived for a second term.  

    In any other general election year, with a GOP nominee that wasn't to the right of Pinochet, Obama would have a very difficult re-election road ahead.  As it is, I think he'll be ok.  So the 2012 focus needs to be on regaining the House, and hopefully retaining a majority in the Senate.

    Tea Party manifesto: We're resigned to our collective fate because we don't want no stinkin' collective future with the likes of you

    by Richard Cranium on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:13:50 AM PDT

    •  None of top Repug candidates deal with reality (0+ / 0-)

      Bachmann and Perry make wild statements every day and need to be called on each of them. Their great vulneerability is that they could be Trojan horses for religious extremists. We need to ask them if they will disavow their ties withj the Dominionists, who think only "true" Christians can rule.

      Romney has drifted into their land of make-believe and needs to be called on it. He says Obama made the economy worse. He should prove it?  He opposed raising the debt ceiling, which means he was for paying some bills and not others. He needs to tell us what he won't pay.

  •  With no regulation (3+ / 0-)
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    we could go back to the hay day of the pre-Jungle Chicago Stockyards with rats, saw dust, feces and human fingers ground up for sausage.

    •  A bit of Upton Sinclair reading... (2+ / 0-)
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      googie, vidanto

      ...would do everyone in the country a bit of good right now.

      Avoiding a "jungle" environment is what good government is all about, and why government regulation is necessary.  I'd rather not have to worry about what the "secret ingredient" is in my sausage.

      Tea Party manifesto: We're resigned to our collective fate because we don't want no stinkin' collective future with the likes of you

      by Richard Cranium on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:19:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  If you can't get a good ally (2+ / 0-)
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    googie, vidanto

    pray for a predictable enemy: you can always head them off at the pass.

    Here's one of her latest beauties, via Teagan Goddard's Political Wire.  (which everyone should check daily)

    "I don't know how much God has to do to get the attention of the politicians."

    -- Rep. Michele Bachmann, quoted by the St. Petersburg Times, suggesting the recent earthquake and hurricane were messages from God.  

    How hard can it be to beat the completely and predictably batshit to the rhetorical punch?

    A modest suggestion:  Preseident Obama could have said yesterday:

    "I know Rick Perry likes to pray for rain, but isn't this a little much?"

    Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. -Frank Zappa

    by TheGrandWazoo on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:15:27 AM PDT

  •  Lowering the miniumum wage (2+ / 0-)
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    is one half step away from lowering all wages and salaries across the board (under, say, 400k) in a coordinated maneuver.

  •  "Bipartisanship" is a total dead end, Chap. 107 (3+ / 0-)
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    maryabein, googie, vidanto

    I think we all understood long ago that the GOP is, fundamentally, a party of dishonest nihilists.  That begs the question as to why over 2.5 years were wasted trying to find a "middle ground" w/ a party in which the Big Fat Idiot Palm Beach Populist has veto power over budgetary proposals.  It further begs the question as to whether that dead end will formally be abandoned moving forward.

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 06:20:02 AM PDT

  •  Limbo limbo limbo! (0+ / 0-)

    How low can you go?

    Yup, this race is entertaining. Gotta love the idiotic, pandering clowns (but you have to be scared too, imagine one of these in the White House.)

    •  versus what is currently there? (0+ / 0-)

      Leaves me dismal hope of the USA ever being a world power again.

      Alas, here come the days of the pre-Civil War era, where slavery is alive and well, plantation owners (big business) beat the backs of the weary workers, and force more for less, to keep themselves in silks and linens.

      And shortly thereafter, there was an uprising which consumed them, and forced a huge employment surge in the making of war materials: cannons, rifles, bayonets, flags, boots, hats, tunics.

      Yes, we can vote to make slavery legal, instigate Islamic Laws into American Laws, and all-in-all reduce the Free American Society to Socialist/Marxist rule and dictatorship as was the norm in the former Soviet Union not 15 years ago. Look how well it worked for them.

      And you Democrazies or Republitards actually think these candidates are good for you and your way of life? Think again.

  •  Earthquake, hurricane... (0+ / 0-)

    If we don't lower that minimum wage soon, God will send hellfire and toothsome flying monkey demons to fix our asses.

  •  Slavery isn't an option though... (0+ / 0-)

    ...because slaveowners have some responsibility for feeding and housing their slaves in order to get work out of them, and our corporate titans don't want to have any responsibility.  They want a serfdom where the serfs are on their own, but must still provide the labor.

    IIRC there were some slave law in Virginia that forbid freeing old slaves who could no longer do meaningful work.  As cruel as that sounds on the surface the reason for the law was actually humanitarian, because the freedman/woman would be stuck destitute without a provider and without a means to provide for him/herself.  Greedier or financially pressed slaveowners would sometimes free a slave to avoid any obligation to support someone who had provided a lifetime of service. God, what an awful system.

    If you ask "what color is the poster" when someone criticizes the President's policy or track record, you are probably a racist. If you assume white progressives don't like the President's policies because of his skin color, you are definitely a racist.

    by Celtic Pugilist on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 07:04:29 AM PDT

  •  i've always thought that opponents of raising (0+ / 0-)

    the minimum wage must actually be in favor of lowering or eliminating it altogether, otherwise their argument would have to be that the current minimum is perfect

    Kick a "job creator" in the balls today!

    by memofromturner on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 07:11:58 AM PDT

  •  Read A Christmas Carol on the House Floor (0+ / 0-)

    In the House, a Dem could use the common practice of a one minute speech to read the following related excerpts (in the Senate, the wold be opportunities to read the whole book):

    "At this festive season of the year, Mr. Scrooge," said the gentleman, taking up a pen, "it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."

    "Are there no prisons?" asked Scrooge.

    "Plenty of prisons," said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

    "And the Union workhouses?" demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"

    "They are. Still," returned the gentleman, "I wish I could say they were not."

    "The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?" said Scrooge.

    "Both very busy, sir."

    "Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course," said Scrooge. "I'm very glad to hear it."

    "Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude," returned the gentleman, "a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?"

    "Nothing!" Scrooge replied.

    "You wish to be anonymous?"

    "I wish to be left alone," said Scrooge. "Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don't make merry myself at Christmas and I can't afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned--they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there."

    "Many can't go there; and many would rather die."

    "If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population. Besides--excuse me--I don't know that."


    The chimes were ringing the three quarters past eleven at that moment.

    "Forgive me if I am not justified in what I ask," said Scrooge, looking intently at the Spirit's robe, "but I see something strange, and not belonging to yourself, protruding from your skirts. Is it a foot or a claw?"

    "It might be a claw, for the flesh there is upon it," was the Spirit's sorrowful reply. "Look here."

    From the foldings of its robe, it brought two children; wretched, abject, frightful, hideous, miserable. They knelt down at its feet, and clung upon the outside of its garment.

    "Oh, Man! look here. Look, look, down here!" exclaimed the Ghost.

    They were a boy and girl. Yellow, meagre, ragged, scowling, wolfish; but prostrate, too, in their humility. Where graceful youth should have filled their features out, and touched them with its freshest tints, a stale and shrivelled hand, like that of age, had pinched, and twisted them, and pulled them into shreds. Where angels might have sat enthroned, devils lurked, and glared out menacing. No change, no degradation, no perversion of humanity, in any grade, through all the mysteries of wonderful creation, has monsters half so horrible and dread.

    Scrooge started back, appalled. Having them shown to him in this way, he tried to say they were fine children, but the words choked themselves, rather than be parties to a lie of such enormous magnitude.

    "Spirit! are they yours?" Scrooge could say no more.

    "They are Man's," said the Spirit, looking down upon them. "And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers. This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased. Deny it!" cried the Spirit, stretching out its hand towards the city. "Slander those who tell it ye! Admit it for your factious purposes, and make it worse. And bide the end!"

    "Have they no refuge or resource?" cried Scrooge.

    "Are there no prisons?" said the Spirit, turning on him for the last time with his own words. "Are there no workhouses?"

    Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. -Frank Zappa

    by TheGrandWazoo on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 07:58:35 AM PDT

  •  The Poor are never poor enough for Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    Plutocracy too long tolerated leaves democracy on the auction block, subject to the highest bidder ~ BILL MOYERS

    by Lefty Coaster on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 08:04:02 AM PDT

  •  Are there no Prisons? Are there no Workhouses? (0+ / 0-)

    Can you possibly believe that she`s so bat shit crazy that she would do it? You Betcha! Imagine if you will the United Slave States of America! Pennies a week in pay,abject poverty,no work place protections,no food inspections(won`t matter since no can afford to eat)Child labor,sharecropping,company stores. This is the vision of the Koch Brothers and their Tea Poisoner lackeys. Backwards in time to the guilded age when the Billionaires ruled the roost with an Iron Fist,and the people were serfs to the kings. What of the elderly,disabled,etc. They can`t contribute to the bottom line so they are disposable. Welcome to the jungle ya`ll,Bachmann/Perry/Tea Poisoner,style!

  •  If we only whisper "Bachman is batshit crazy" (0+ / 0-)

    inside a locked closet in an abandoned house in a seldom visited neighborhood... she will succeed in moving the window of public opinion.

    Never underestimate how gullible the "independent" voters are.

    Have you noticed?
    Politicians who promise LESS government
    only deliver BAD government.

    by jjohnjj on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 08:35:11 AM PDT

  •  I've been waiting for this (0+ / 0-)

    Cutting the minimum wage the obvious GOP solution to unemployment, and of course it completely misses the point, because unemployment isn't the problem, standard of living is.  Having a job isn't necessary if one has enough money to live on, and having a job isn't sufficient if it doesn't pay enough to live on.

  •  I read all of them George! (0+ / 0-)

    Just slightly less stupid than Sarah.

    "...Demoralization caused by vast unemployment is our greatest extravagance. Morally, it is the greatest menace to our social order." FDR

    by wrights on Mon Aug 29, 2011 at 01:00:53 PM PDT

  •  Just remember Corporate America.. (0+ / 0-)

    You get, what you pay for.

    You don't want to pay for something, there are penalties for it.

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