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The last couple weeks have been marred with debates about abortion and birth control, and basically what many white Christian elites think is best for everyone else, just so long as they aren't expected to actually adhere to the beliefs they want to impose on everyone else. Apparently many social conservatives know better than the people who actually possess the anatomy in question.

I'm tired of this, I'm just so fucking tired of it. This is ridiculous. I have the right to reproductive health care, and I should have just as equal access as any man should have getting Viagra or addressing his own reproductive concerns. This shouldn't be a debate settled by puritan attitudes but by science and fairness.

Women deserve equal access. Women deserve to be able to decide things for themselves without a patriarchal god or political party to tell us what we "should" and "shouldn't" do.

I have things in my life that I use to take as something that had already been fought for, and the rights we women have to be able to access health care and make decisions about our own bodies cannot be decided by anyone else.

But now I find that somehow birth control (which in case anyone missed it, prevents pregnancy from occurring) is now just as bad in social conservative's eyes as abortion? I mean here in a bible belt, that has always been a general idea that I have had to deal with when talking to very fringe evangelicals. I remember in high school the girls who took birth control were "sluts" and people would ostracize them. Now we have elected officials and people running for president spewing this ignorance.

No, I'm sorry I did not learn about the Constitution and the history of our nation to let ANYONE try to legislate their personal religious beliefs as law. I know it happens, sadly more often than people would like, but I will vehemently protect my right to decide that was you believe is a bunch of hooey in my mind, just as I will protect your right to believe in the hooey and say no to things like doctors trying to help, in favor of prayer.

When I was in high school, I think at that point I kind of realized I was an atheist though I wouldn't admit it. I was too afraid to ever admit such a feeling in the mists of the bible belt, not because I was afraid they were right but because I was afraid that if suddenly people knew I was an atheist, people would hate me without any logical reason other than they had been told to hate atheists. I didn't want to deal with the scrutiny and I didn't want to deal with the backlash my family would have faced in the community and work over having "not raised me right". I know that they would have been badgered for not going to church every Sunday to properly "teach" me about God.

Truth is, I read the Bible when I was little (I learned to use a dictionary instead of asking my mom what sodomy was, that was a fun conversation) and it just seemed crazy. Not the belief in God or the teachings of Christ, but the way it contradicted itself constantly. I didn't like how women were portrayed and how we were suppose to be "evil temptresses" in essence.

In many ways, I think that is how they justify trying to keep women "barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen" because with shoes, birth control, and out in the world we are a force to be reckoned with. You only need to see what has happened in the Komen debacle to understand that women are not going to just lay down and accept this. If I was a social conservative trying to force my beliefs on millions of women without their consent, I too might be a little concerned. Maybe that is the real reason the re-authorization for Violence Against Women Act has been received such a lukewarm response from Republicans when once it enjoyed broad bi-partisan support.

My relative, who out deep respect I will refrain from naming, shocked me by telling me she had to have an abortion here in the bible belt before they were legal. I am really close with her and she is obviously several decades my senior but I was talking to her about upset I was with all this business of them trying to take away our access to reproductive health care back during the government shutdown threat over planned parenthood.

She turned and looked at me and very bluntly told me that she had had to have one or else she would have turned septic and died. She went to the hospital, they told her she had had a miscarriage and sent her home. A few days, she began feeling ill and went to her provider who realized what was wrong and had the training and compassion to help her.

For me, she is a very important person in my life, and I deeply love and respect her. But she is also conservative in many ways, once a church goer, has never drank alcohol, but when it came to politics, she was progressive. I think part of this because she grew up such a short time after women were allowed to vote. She has seen the debate as it has progressed over the decades, and she is practical. Like most women, she understands why these services are necessary, not just in theory but she understands in practice.

My family would be a very different now if she had not lived, and I most certainly would not be sane. She is my personal hero and I can only hope to aspire to be as good a person as she is everyday. I am grateful to the doctors who saved her life and didn't let her die because of a miscarriage. I learned how to be a strong woman without rocking the boat (too much) from her.

I also have my own story with birth control, as I am sure every woman might in the South.

When I was 17, I had a boyfriend. My first real boyfriend in fact, and I had decided that I should probably have sex before college. I was an extreme prude and had some serious reservations about men because my education in sex consisted of being told to not get pregnant, to not have sex, and that men only wanted to knock you up. Thankfully, there were such things as the internet and the pill was common knowledge even though there are many people who would prefer it otherwise. We actually went on a field trip where a nurse showed how to put a condom on and how even the small ones fit over her shoe.

I was ignorant and scared, and I also very desperately wanted to be normal. I was already "the smart kid" and an outcast on that basis (omg you read, for fun, what a weirdo). I didn't want to enter early adulthood a virgin and a "freak" to boot. Not to mention, I was tired of being called a lesbian by my family for not dating because I didn't like any of the guys at my school.

Anyway, it was then I found the resources I needed. I wanted to know what I was getting myself into with sex. I had seen all the pictures of what you could get (thanks Mom!) and knew the consequences of sex. Sadly, no one had EVER told me the actual mechanics, not to mention I had never seen a penis except in biology (that was a big moment of, so what is wrong with being gay again when I saw it for the first time). And in case you wonder, I was scared to try and find "educational materials" online. The idea of sex kind of freaked me out.

Yes, I really was that naive, and frankly it worries me that people could be so ignorant about something that should be 101 of being a human being. I was too busy talking about books and music to worry about what happens between a man and a woman.

So, when I had a reason to go to the city in my own car, by myself, I suddenly had the freedom to make a pit stop at Planned Parenthood. Looking up abortion prices and how far I would have to drive to find someone to provide one--I realized that if I got pregnant, I was literally fucked. I had plans and ambitions, I was going to college and going to get an awesome degree with an awesome paying job (damn you Bush, ruining the plans I had worked on for my whole life to leave the bible belt).

When I went in, I really had no idea how it worked. The only gynecologist office I had ever been to, my Mom worked at. And I never got to see the doctor by myself, and he was a friend of my mom's...yeah. The free condoms in a bowl were shocking to me.

They did what I guess is the normal routine, I had just had my pap smear at my Mom's office and they wanted to do one for me to get a prescription. I burst into tears, knowing I didn't have the ability to pay it and couldn't use my family's insurance or anything. I explained my situation, telling her how just requesting my files, my Mom would know because of how that office was and I would be in trouble and be punished.  

They worked with me so that I was able to get my prescription. They protected me as a patient and made me feel safe. They helped me when otherwise I would have been labelled a slut, even though there were girls on their 3rd kid in my graduating class (not that they are or were, just hypocritical).

I look at the opportunities lost to some my age because no one taught them how to treat sex as something other than a sin. And it is scary that in the information age, people are still ignorant and unable to protect their own interests.

Women's healthcare is important, but it is not so important or difficult that I can't discuss my options with my physician rather than my politician.

This is not about religious freedom.
This is not about good and evil.
This is not about "saving babies".

This is about my right to choose. My right to live my life in this country without unreasonable infringements on my liberty by the government. I have a right to be free to believe what I want and be free from anyone else trying to enforce their religious beliefs on me. I've read the bible multiple times and studied the bible in an academic setting, and there is nothing in there that leads me to believe that anyone else has any right to make decisions for me.

Supposedly we were all given free will, now if only God's fringe followers would listen to the part where it is each individual person's will.

Providing equal access to health care that is equivalent to what men get, and making it so insurance providers and employers, essentially, can't discriminate against you for having a period and wanting to have some say over your body.

I'll be happy to vote for Obama and show my support for what he is trying to accomplish in Washington, nothing short of the impossible. People seem to expect him to make miracles happen, but he can't do anything unless we demand it.

Thank you if you managed to plow through all this :D

4:38 PM PT: Thank you susanWAstate for a good idea. A link to the Planned Parenthood petition.

Originally posted to Fracturedchaos on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 11:38 AM PST.

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  •  it was easy to plow through! (6+ / 0-)

    kind of left me dangling though. what happened to keep you in the belt?

    •  I didn't find a job (10+ / 0-)

      and am now having to go back to school hoping this time when I graduate it won't be spring 2009 all over again.

      I graduated at the worst possible time and was completely ignorant as to how to find jobs in "hidden" markets. And then moved out of the bible belt only to be dragged back due to being unable to support myself.

      I'm here because of scholarships and other opportunities made available to me because of my heritage. Not to mention, I put myself through school and afterward had to depend on the generosity of my family and fiance.

      Unfortunately, it wasn't any better where I went and my family didn't want to help me if I wasn't living in the same state... so I had to move back here and go back to school or be homeless.

      I hate not being able to make my own choices or live my own life. I don't think it is my fault, I could have made better choices but I did the best I could. I'm the first in my family to graduate from college (excluding distant cousins) so I really was lost during the process of attending and afterward. No one I knew really knew how to help me or had any good advice for me that I couldn't find online.

      It is better now, I just hope my family doesn't arbitrarily yank the rug from under my feet and leave me hanging like they did when I was a freshman in college. They helped me in the end (last year, little after the fact but they made it clear I could either do what they said or be homeless, not much of a choice), but not before I racked up some painful debt.

      We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. George Orwell

      by Fracturedchaos on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 01:52:58 PM PST

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      •  my favorite quote- (9+ / 0-)

        "We live, not as we wish to, but as we can." from Menander- an ancient greek.
        your choices were the ones you made at the time.  fault isnt really any part of it.  people can be so hard, so there is no reason to be hard on yourself. Criticism is given so freely!

        the fact that you were the first to graduate already proves you are living your own life.  And congratulations on graduating.

        family ties are hard to break and it usually takes a lifetime to do it-good luck with that! ;)

        sorry if i sound preachy-

        •  not at all (8+ / 0-)

          its true, now I guess I get to be the first with an advanced degree too :D

          It's not all bad, I just wish that they hadn't exacerbated the issue at the time by basically letting me move and then telling me they weren't going to help me until I got on my could have mentioned that before. It didn't help that I was getting no interviews and am a writhing mess of nervousness anyway even if I had gotten the interviews I would have probably blown it.

          But now, I know what I want to do, I have goals and a direction. Thanks to the ACA I can get a prescription to address my anxiety (which means when I am confronted I don't immediately burst into tears despite knowing what I want to say huzzah!). Granted, it took the recession, admitting I have suicidal tenancies and going to the doctor for it,  and becoming aware of how politics effect everything (and the realization that I couldn't trust "adults" to do what needed doing, thanks Bush) for me to find my passion but I guess it is how it is.

          My parents never talked much about politics, my mom is dem and dad repub, and anytime I talk about it my mom is just like omg why to you want to argue. Nevermind it is my intent to pursue a career in the public policy area and so I will have to learn how to disagree agreeably.  

          No, I think the journey was important, I moved away to learn about the real world since I had always been sheltered, and holy crap I got an unpleasant dose of it. Now I can apply what I learned in school practically to the world and am better able to navigate what is happening around me. I hold myself to high standards and refuse to let myself make mistakes if I can figure out how to avoid them. Unfortunately, the financial crisis was a bit tougher to side step heh.

          We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. George Orwell

          by Fracturedchaos on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 02:46:11 PM PST

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        •  As my brother says (4+ / 0-)

          you cannot choose your family, but you can choose the relationship you have with them.  I live by this mantra.  Great story and good luck.

          love the fetus, hate the child

          by Raggedy Ann on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 03:46:44 PM PST

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  •  Sign Petitiion> STOP GOP (5+ / 0-)

    Amendment That Allows Employers To Deny Health Services To Jews, Catholics and Children

    Sign Petition Here

  •  Agreed (3+ / 0-)
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    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 02:21:07 PM PST

  •  Women could own this world, and direct this (6+ / 0-)

    country, if we would just finally realize we need to step in and save our society, our families, our friends.

    Occupy The Voting Booth - vote for candidates that represent your Occupy values.

    by mumtaznepal on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 03:39:12 PM PST

    •  I know so many young women today who (12+ / 0-)

      take their reproductive rights for granted.  They don't understand what it was like to not have information, birth control or abortion available.

      They don't understand how long and hard the fight has been to get to this point and how easily we can slip back to those bad old days when a woman's plans could be totally dismantled by a husband, boyfriend or rapist who decided she was getting a little to uppity.  It was that bad.  

      •  I have always been grateful to the endeavors (7+ / 0-)

        of those before me. But I guess I gave my elders a goodly amount of credit by thinking it had been won on something so pervasively regressive in our society. I always understood there was more work to be done. I just wasn't aware of the scale of work that needed to be done.

        It is overwhelming in many ways, to realize how differently women are treated when compared to men. I use to not see it, but now some things make more sense than they did at the time if I look at it from that angle. I think in many ways I refused to think that people were that stupid.

        I got a good deal when I traded in my optimism for realistic pessimism ;)

        We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. George Orwell

        by Fracturedchaos on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 04:09:00 PM PST

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        •  I was working in a big property management (6+ / 0-)

          firm in the early 2000's.  They posted a picture from 1957 showing a group photo of employees at that time,  all men with one woman at the side in a cotton dress with her legs shown to advantage and clearly a secretary.

          One of the younger women I worked with commented something to the effect of "where are all the women?"
          I had to break the news to her that in 1957, the only women in that type of picture were simply eye-candy at the fringe of the picture.  Women could not get beyond the secretarial pool to get a proper job regardless of how competent they were.

          My strong points in aptitude tests in high school were architecture, engineering, accounting, etc.  I had no aptitude for nursing, teaching - the "traditional" female jobs.  In 1962, that was a real problem.  I asked my boyfriend at the time who was studying engineering how many women were in that college.  Of 5K students, there were two women, then he indicated that they were a little "funny".  Of course, I helped him with his projects, but despaired of getting a job after college in one of those fields.  It stayed that way for at least ten more years and even after the Supreme Court ordered big corporations to start promoting females and minorities, the one I worked for much preferred to hire minority men and promote them than to promote the women who had been stuck at the bottom of the corporate ladder for years!   When they did finally start promoting us, they stacked the deck to insure failure for most of us, so they could console themselves with the notion that women just aren't cut out for good-paying jobs with opportunities for advancement.  

      •  Tell me about it. The kids these days... (11+ / 0-)

        they don't know what it was like. When the first edition "Our Bodies Ourselves" was "subversive." When there were regular flights scheduled to Puerto Rico for the rich, and really bad shit take a chance for everyone else. When I was the condom connection for girls who wouldn't date me but knew that I was "safe".

        Dammit, I'm too old to be fighting this fight again!

        Yes, there is a correlation between President Barack Obama and Neville Chamberlain. (-9.00,-8.86)

        by Jonathan Hoag on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 04:53:49 PM PST

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  •  The debate about birth control is over (6+ / 0-)

    A couple of weeks ago I saw some posts about the Right wanting to take away birth control/recreational sex and I did not believe it. But Santorum and the GOP have confirmed this. This is a hilarious, futile march backward in time. I cannot belive this is an actual topic of conversation, let alone debate!

    No Jesus, Know Peace

    by plok on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 03:53:54 PM PST

  •  I've had the opposite experience (8+ / 0-)

    in almost every way.

    I'm male, grew up in a progressive state, my mother practically threw condoms at me before I was even having sex.

    It's hard for me to understand the lack of basic information that many young folks have.  I know its true, I know that abstinence only education leads to more, not less pregnancies...but that's all in the abstract.

    Thank you for your diary, it helps me to understand.

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 03:56:46 PM PST

    •  I'm glad (4+ / 0-)

      to have illuminated you some. I think what is worse is we actually did get to have some education on the field trip (which was also an anti-drug seminar as well).

      I know there are other places around here that are much worse, especially in areas that are more rural. My town was at least near an interstate, which is much better than many of the surrounding towns since most came to ours to go to Wal-Mart.

      It is different, but I find that it makes me fight for every scrap of information I can get my hands on. I learned from a very young age that knowledge is power, assuming that is that people will listen :D

      We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. George Orwell

      by Fracturedchaos on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 04:14:55 PM PST

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  •  I not only "plowed through this" (2+ / 0-)
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    I did it with tears in my eyes.  Thank you for posting such a moving story.

  •  Imagine if... (6+ / 0-)

    ...the Seventh Day Adventists didn't cover transfusions, the Scientologists didn't cover mental illness, the Jewish-owned and Muslim-owned institutions didn't cover trichinosis (does it still exist? Well, you get my point.)

    It's only because the Bishops still have a big megaphone that this has become an issue at all. Unless being in that religion and teaching its tenets were preconditions of employment, we shouldn't be talking about this at all.

    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

    by MrMichaelMT on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 04:32:48 PM PST

    •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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      religious freedom unerringly seems to come to the defense of over persecuted Christians...

      Were that all our liberties as protected as the Christian moralist's right to say screw you to his fellow man over a pickle of religious conscience.

      We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. George Orwell

      by Fracturedchaos on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 04:41:30 PM PST

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    •  My boss keeps complaining about our health (7+ / 0-)

      insurance premiums. Under ACA they will get better, but he watches Fox sometimes. I told him today, if the Blunt amendment goes through, all he has to do is convert to Christian Scientist (?) following the teachings of Mary Baker Eddy, and he won't have to provide any health insurance.

      Yes, there is a correlation between President Barack Obama and Neville Chamberlain. (-9.00,-8.86)

      by Jonathan Hoag on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 05:00:29 PM PST

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      •  Health insurance premiums (4+ / 0-)

        have risen for two reasons. First, the unemployed (chiefly the young) are in the demo easiest to insure, while those middle agers who are still employed are getting more expensive. The provision of the new act that allows 20 somethings to stay insured is very good for rates.

        And second, the provisions that would control rates are just now coming into effect.

        It's amazing that the health care companies have actually figured out that giving out birth control pills for free is cost-effective--and amazing that the Bishops think their "generosity" is immoral.

        Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

        by MrMichaelMT on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 05:10:41 PM PST

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      •  LOL (3+ / 0-)

        Yeah, I really like how the GOP has escalated this from a birth control coverage debate to just deciding well no one should have to provide anything if it is against their moral convictions.

        So what if their "moral" conviction is to make more profit?

        And there is the problem.

        I'm really not much to agree with Scalia's interpretation but I really liked his phrasing in regards to religious freedom.  

        We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. George Orwell

        by Fracturedchaos on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 05:11:19 PM PST

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  •  Sen. Brown signed on to GOP insanity (5+ / 0-)

    Time for Elizabeth Warren to unmask him for the extremist he is.

    •  I love Elizabeth Warren (4+ / 0-)
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      She is quite possibly my favorite woman in politics at the moment. She so simplely and eloquently defines the differences between the haves and have-nots.

      We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. George Orwell

      by Fracturedchaos on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 04:43:13 PM PST

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      •  My favorite too (8+ / 0-)

        Keep in mind that this is the opinion of a privileged white male.....

        Every interview I've seen her, not only could she communicate well, but you could tell that there is a fire inside her, she totally believes what she is saying.  The more I see her the more I like her.

        One of the things women seem to be strongly discouraged from is showing that kind of fire - they get dismissed as "angry" "on the rag" "crazy", where in a man it would be "passionate"  "strong convictions" etc.

        I don't want a "nice" woman in politics.  I want one who is going to go in, kick ass and take names in defense of her beliefs.  The only way the culture is going to get over the stupid assumption that women should be submissive is to be exposed to strong role models of the opposite.

        She's one of them.   Of the entire current Dem field right now, she's the one I'd most like to be the first woman president, assuming she's successful in making the transition from academia to the Senate and does well there.

  •  I commented earlier without reading (5+ / 0-)

    your diary-I was in a hurry for dinner. But I read it now and appreciate it. I'm a male in Texas raising girls and this attack on contraception and Planned Parenthood are absurd to me. Thanks for writing.

    No Jesus, Know Peace

    by plok on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 04:56:06 PM PST

  •  The Roman Catholic Church is its own authority (3+ / 0-)

    You wrote:

    I've read the bible multiple times and studied the bible in an academic setting, and there is nothing in there that leads me to believe that anyone else has any right to make decisions for me.
    But for the Catholic Church, religious truth comes from the Church itself, its tradition and institutions. The Bible is secondary.

    This is why the Bishops invocation of "religious liberty" is entirely hypocritical and Orwellian, Republican doublespeak, because religious liberty is a Protestant concept entirely alien to Catholicism. Roman Catholic laypeople have no religious liberty, because they are required to believe and practice what the Church tells them to, no questions asked.

    What the Catholic Church means by "religious liberty" is its having the power to interfere in the internal affairs of governments, something it routinely did across Europe before the Reformation. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

    •  See I hold the Constitution (1+ / 0-)
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      in higher reverence and authority than the Catholic Church. I think the exception is the correct move for religious institutions, legally and politically. He is defending personal freedom, which makes me happy.

      I think I knew of three Catholics, a couple Muslims a few grades ahead of me in high school (obviously college was more diverse). I always thought religion was interesting, a nice idea, but I couldn't believe it without observable proof. I tried to justify why people believe, but it doesn't really matter if it makes them happy. I really only have issues with people who believe the Bible is infallible; it is created flawed instruments of God, man. Infallibility and omnipotence may apply to their idea of God but not the bible and it can't be use this argument to enforce their morals.

      At least they can't force me to believe, which is something I am very grateful for :D

      We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. George Orwell

      by Fracturedchaos on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 08:45:32 PM PST

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      •  As for the exemption for religious institutions (1+ / 0-)
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        Romney didn't do that in his health care plan in MA, and there is no basis for it according to arguments that Scalia has put forth for the SCOTUS.  But I concede that this concession was probably a sensible move politically on the part of the Obama administration, since the hysteria would have been much worse if they didn't grant exemptions to religious institutions (even though legally, it is wrong to do so).

        As for the Bible and God, I agree completely. Christian fundamentalists are in effect idol worshipers, since by considering the Bible to be infallible, they make it divine in their minds, whereas only God is divine (according to Christianity). Calling the Bible a "flawed instrument of God" is a very good way of putting it.

        In treading the Bible as if it were divine, fundamentalist Christians, ironically, are adopting a Muslim position (Muslims consider the Koran to be divine), not a Christian one.

        •  truthfully (1+ / 0-)
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          I am fairly ignorant of religions aside from Christianity. I made it a point to study it since I am forced to come in contact with it constantly.

          I guess if I had been paranoid about Muslims after 9/11 I would have researched it, but I know the extreme Christian groups and what they can be like.

          I learned early on from having to do tons of standardized tests that broad statements that are all inclusive or exclusive should always be suspect--humans can't divide that sensibly there is always a middle ground. :D

          We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. George Orwell

          by Fracturedchaos on Tue Feb 14, 2012 at 08:46:41 AM PST

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  •  The Puritans are back (4+ / 0-)

    And there I was worrying that the they would just resurrect Ronnie Raygun.

    Clever Republicans. Nice head-fake. Burning at the stake or just imprisoned in the town square in stocks? Scarlet letters?

    There must be something in the water. No-one gets this mass-hysterically nutzo without being drugged.

    Oh yeah.. FOX "News"

  •  Damn straight (5+ / 0-)

    I don't use Birth control anymore, but I'll take that freedom from religion every time. ;)

    "In the depth of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer."- Albert Camus

    by valadon on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 06:11:28 PM PST

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    Alexandre, Fracturedchaos

    This is a fabulous, and personal diary.  Thanks.

    One line sounded a little off, though.

    , and basically what many white Christian elites think is best for everyone else, just so long as they aren't expected to actually adhere to the beliefs they want to impose on everyone else
    I wouldn't portray this as a white thing, since support for abortion rights is actually modestly stronger among whites than among African Americans or Hispanics..  Not a big thing, but just because people vote democratic does not mean they necessarily support your abortion rights.  It's just that othe issues trump social isues in voting.  
    •  I guess (0+ / 0-)

      since everything I hear around me isn't typically from the viewpoint of someone who is diverse but rather a person who has never left where they grew up and is the worst caricature of a Southern Baptist. From my view point it seems to be white men who thump their Bible at you to tell you how you need to live you life.

      Just not my cup of tea. It is how this debate effects me in my life, I am sure it isn't just white Christians, but they do seem to get the most air time and are really good at being obnoxious.

      But I see what you're saying, and I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for informing me :D

      We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. George Orwell

      by Fracturedchaos on Tue Feb 14, 2012 at 08:54:24 AM PST

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  •  Wow. (1+ / 0-)
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    Awesome diary. Thank you!!

    "Mediocrity cannot know excellence." -- Sherlock Holmes

    by La Gitane on Mon Feb 13, 2012 at 11:29:07 PM PST

  •  It's the little friendly church. (3+ / 0-)

    That little friendly church.

    fuels the fire of the big mean church.

    Religion needs tiny sparks to grow into those large flames of fanatics that are taking over.

    Freedom from religion needs to be an anthem for this decade.

    A lot of us atheists have been begging the rest of you to stop fueling the fire of religion before they go too far.

    Lucky for us, the atheists, religion is showing it's ugly head and some of you don't like what you are seeing.

    It's time to walk away from supporting that little spark that
    allows these flames of hate towards women to remain.

    "Hey, with religion you can't get just a little pregnant"

    by EarTo44 on Tue Feb 14, 2012 at 02:55:55 AM PST

    •  It was ugly until I got older (0+ / 0-)

      and actually met some people who I would call non-hypocritical Christians, they really tried to live their lives according to the the Bible as they interpreted it. They gave to the poor and helped the needy.

      It was hard sometimes seeing friends being forbidden to do things or have things on the basis of their religion.

      And then you hear about faith healing and have encounters with people who are probably Christian more because that is what they were told, rather than what they chose...and I think many times they are the ones who want you to join the most. Maybe it validates their belief in many ways to have someone join them. I like to think most people were in it for the community and the idea of being nice to each other, even if it usually just ended up being a tool to judge and punish others.

      I really like Christians who when I tell them I'm not interested, respect that and tell me that if I am interested to ask them. I don't want other people's morals or beliefs shoved down my throat, I have my own and they really aren't all that different.

      We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. George Orwell

      by Fracturedchaos on Tue Feb 14, 2012 at 09:02:36 AM PST

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  •  Amazing! (1+ / 0-)
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    Thank you.

    Planned Parenthood saved a life that was falling away.


    They helped me pick up the shattered pieces of my life after I was left by the road for dead.  

    They were the only ones who tested me for AIDS back in the day when it was still being lied about how women didn't get AIDS.  

    "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." ~Jimi Hendrix

    by Damnit Janet on Tue Feb 14, 2012 at 08:37:46 AM PST

    •  wow (1+ / 0-)
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      Damnit Janet

      Planned Parenthood has helped and saved countless women, there really is no way we're just going to let them take it away.

      Sometimes, the things people did because they were afraid of AIDS is just infuriating and shocking. I'm glad you got the help you needed from a trusted provider who provides facts rather than lies.

      We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. George Orwell

      by Fracturedchaos on Tue Feb 14, 2012 at 09:06:11 AM PST

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  •  Denied (1+ / 0-)
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    The only people with freedom of religion are, apparently, the Roman Catholic clergy. And the rest of us had better start toeing the line, according to Rick Santorum.

    Yup, it's true. We are all Catholics now.

    The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

    by Korkenzieher on Tue Feb 14, 2012 at 09:57:17 AM PST

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