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Everyday, I see news, stories, anecdotes, etc, of a segment of this country attempting to do things which any civilized person would consider evil and resolutely reject.

Voting against marriage equality in the year 2012, not 1912 or even 1982? Check.

Attempting to constantly inject their own perverted form of religion into the governance of this nation? Check.

Doing everything they can to weaken environmental protections, in many cases actively hating the environment in which they and their children live? Check.

Rallying against Social Security and Medicare and/or voting for people who are committed to destroying these bedrock programs, even though many of these right-wingers are themselves on these programs or have family being kept alive/afloat by them? Check.

Railing against unions, and against middle-class union members being greedy for making $45,000/year, while screaming about the "soaking" of the rich apparently as a result of the rich having the lowest tax rates in decades, DESPITE the fact that 99.9% of those screaming will never be rich enough to benefit from huge tax cuts, and don't know anybody who would? Check.

Supporting wars of aggression by the United States, often with complete disregard for who is harmed or killed, on either side? Check.

Claiming that some children born in the United States are not citizens of this nation, despite the absolutely crystal clear language of the 14th Amendment, through the tortured twisting of that language? Check.

Sheer, unadulterated racism? Check.

Denial of evolution? Check.

Hating birth control as immoral and wanting to deny access to it, even though tens of millions of right-wing women themselves use it? Check.

Wanting to completely ban abortion without exceptions, even though undoubtedly hundreds of thousands of right-wing women get abortions every year (out of some 1.4M abortions per year in the US, you can't tell me that all, or even 75% are "liberal" women having the procedure)? Check.

Railing against US government student loan programs, when countless millions of right-wingers themselves have student loan debt through the federal government? Check.

Voting for the policies and people who created the current economic crisis and the long-term destruction of the middle-class in this country, then frothing at the mouth when even minor steps are made to stop the trend, even though many of the right-wingers themselves have been seriously harmed by the right-wing policies they loudly advocate? Check.

Convince me right-wingers aren't evil. Seriously. And I'm not talking about right-wing politicians - their evil is beyond objective denial. I am talking about your neighbors, your family members, your coworkers, your fellow alumni, the jackoff in traffic with a "Who is John Galt?" bumper sticker on his 1992 Ford Escort; all of these people are evil in my mind, for the reasons listed above. Yes, they are macro, stereotypical reasons, but tell me the right-wingers you know don't share many, if not all, of the listed beliefs/traits.

And before the excuse is made of "ignorance," I don't buy that. We live in the age of nytimes.com, google, cnn.com, even foxnews.com (which can have snippets of truth in between loads of bullshit) - any ignorance on political matters is 100% a conscious decision on their part.

Finally, I also don't buy the argument that right-wingers may be good people because they disagree with certain aspects of the conservative movement's plan for our country. For example, a pro-choice Republican, a gay Republican, a Republican who disagrees with prominent right-wing politicians. But guess what? When it gets down to crunch time in the voting booth, they will invariably pull the lever for that Republican politician. Invariably. That is why I can't compartmentalize and say that a right-winger, even a family member, isn't evil. I feel about them somewhat like the wingnuts say they feel about gay and lesbian Americans - "love the sinner, hate the sin." They may be a "selfless person," but I still think they are evil. Convince me they're not.

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  •  For anyone who reads this rant, (7+ / 0-)

    feel free to add your own reason why right-wingers are evil.

    Here's another one: hating "regulations" but driving on roads graded according to regulations; drinking potable water out of their taps that is cleaned according to regulations; driving in their cars propelled by fuel made according to certain regulations so as not to foul the engines in said car, while also being protected by regulation-mandated safety devices in said car in the event of a wreck; eating food from either a restaurant or from the grocery store that has been certified as safe (and almost always is safe) due to government regulations and inspections; taking allergy pills that don't kill them because of government regulation; etc etc etc.

  •  I wouldn't try to convince you (7+ / 0-)

    because you're absolutely correct.  It's like the Q&A on the NOM page where Maggie Gallagher tries to explain how you can tell people you're not a bigot:

    A: “Do you really believe people like me who believe mothers and fathers both matter to kids are like bigots and racists? I think that’s pretty offensive, don’t you? Particularly to the 60 percent of African-Americans who oppose same-sex marriage. Marriage as the union of husband and wife isn’t new; it’s not taking away anyone’s rights. It’s common sense.”
    It is taking away people's rights and you ARE a bigot.

    -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

    by Dave in Northridge on Tue May 08, 2012 at 08:09:08 PM PDT

    •  Note how she pulls out the "black friend" line (3+ / 0-)

      Umm, Maggie, you sniveling pile of rancid walrus vomit, remember African Americans opposed gay marriage in part because you worked to whip up resentment and foster hate in their ranks to your advantage. I bet without you and your asshole group AA's would have less concern about gay equality.

      All my sig lines are hand-crafted by demented elves living in my skull.

      by ontheleftcoast on Tue May 08, 2012 at 08:16:45 PM PDT

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  •  OK (2+ / 0-)
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    Every human being is capable of greater mindfullness going foward into time.  Every single one.  Dicken's mad children were want and ignorance, and things haven't changed much.  

    Every ethical choice going forward begins now, in the moment.

    And a plurality is not an identity.

    That they have just certified their state as a wretched backwater of mustard-dicked William Burroughs characters...well, sep. issue.

    ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

    by jessical on Tue May 08, 2012 at 08:11:43 PM PDT

  •  You want to know what Republicans piss me off (6+ / 0-)

    the most? The ones I find the most evil? The ones who say things like, "Oh, I'm not against gay marriage" or "I'm for abortion!" and then vote 100% Republican because they're worried about taxes or maybe gun control. There are Democratic politicians with positions for and against every issue. With Republicans it's 100% party line or else. You can vote Democratic and claim to be against/for something with a clear conscience. If you vote Republican and claim you're for gay marriage, women, fair taxation, gun control, the environment, or even SCIENCE then you're an hypocritical bastard working to support the evil of Koch, Limbaugh, Rove and all their wholy owned politicians and FUCK YOU for doing it.

    All my sig lines are hand-crafted by demented elves living in my skull.

    by ontheleftcoast on Tue May 08, 2012 at 08:23:26 PM PDT

    •  RINOS is what they call people who go against (1+ / 0-)
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      their party line. Republicans in Name Only.

      "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

      by rubyr on Tue May 08, 2012 at 08:28:49 PM PDT

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    •  The reason I natter on (0+ / 0-)

      about self-righteousness is that so much of my life has been spent trying to identify what brings the pious rubes and selfish suburbanites to the same conclusions.  And it's because they, along with libertarians, all enjoy excessive self-regard-- they only differ wrt the spheres in which they claim superiority.

      Seriously, having grown up in semi-rural MS, I probably could have become one of those 'fiscally conservative' types or an 'independent,' but the truth is that once I spent time with the more educated/urbane right, I wasn't impressed.  Less sincerity than the bible-thumpers and not that much more intelligent.  So they all pretty much suck, although I try to spare some empathy for the cultural conservatives because they're so scared all the time.

      "Conservative principles" are marketing props used by the Conservative Movement to achieve political power, not actual beliefs. -Glenn Greenwald

      by latts on Tue May 08, 2012 at 10:48:11 PM PDT

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  •  Are all black people criminals? No (3+ / 0-)

    Are all hispanics illegal immigrants? No

    Are all men rapists? No

    Are all gay men effeminate? No

    Are all Christians fundamentalists? No

    Are all Muslims terroists? No

    Are generalizations ever true? I think you know the answer to that.

    There is your proof, glad I could help.

    •  Point taken but it is very hard to find a (2+ / 0-)
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      Republican these days that is not bat shit crazy and that's the truth. I can't think of even one in government. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe have moved so far to the right tht they seem like different people all together. The reasonable Repugs were run out by the Tea Baggers and that also is the truth.  

      "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

      by rubyr on Tue May 08, 2012 at 08:34:22 PM PDT

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    •  Do you deny that many, if not most, (1+ / 0-)
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      right-wingers that you encounter in YOUR life share the sentiments/ideals I listed in my crappy diary?

    •  failure (0+ / 0-)

      your response is a failure to the question at hand because it inspects one issue at a time and does not group those ideas into a coherent identity.  Who is it that believes any of those things in your list?  You do not unify those thoughts into a mass, as R voters do.  The point is, despite the fact that Rs say they are good people, and may even oppose certain issues R candidates support, they still vote en masse for the Rs which brings cruelty and suffering to other people, and the R voters KNOW THIS WILL HAPPEN AND STILL DO IT ANYWAY!

      •  I don't take any genralization seriously. (0+ / 0-)

        If that is all you can do to spout about those who are your political opposites, well go right ahead. That doesn't make my point any less valid and you know it. And, actually, yes there are people whom believe some of those things are true unfortunately; about blacks, muslims, hispanics, and on this website definitely about Christians.

        •  first of all (0+ / 0-)

          don't tell me what i know.  second, the question about who believes those things was rhetorical, which led to the next point of people who tend to hold onto those ideas, perhaps that was not worded very eloquently.  
          Feel free to not take generalizations seriously, but that's what politics is, and especially when it's about parties, because people have to vote for the whole party, not just pieces of it that they like.  And in doing so they support the general nature of a party with their vote.  The general nature of the R party is cruel, and brings suffering to, huge swaths of the US and world populace.  But feel free not to generalize if it protects you from that recognition.  I prefer to recognize that belief systems are reflected by voting patterns, and that those voting patterns have done great harm.

    •  Not all, just most. (0+ / 0-)

      And by "most" I mean a very large majority who are American citizens by virtue of birth alone and if had to pass a test to join a country that claims as many virtues as our own, would not be allowed entry.

      Send conservatives to FilthyLiberal.com for re-education.

      by filthyLiberalDOTcom on Wed May 09, 2012 at 08:44:24 AM PDT

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  •  Some are, but most are just stupid as fuck-all (4+ / 0-)

    and scared.  Very freaking scared.  All the time.  About everything they're not told is not normal.

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    by The Dead Man on Tue May 08, 2012 at 08:31:04 PM PDT

  •  I don't think Right wingers are evil. (2+ / 0-)
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    I feel like they are most of the time, but my rational mind eventually overcomes my feelings.
    I recommend that anyone who feels that way should venture out into red state America and spend time with these people and understand their lives.
    Back to r-wingers. It's a very diverse group. There are the wolves, the hustlers, flim-flams, grifters...
    And then there are the sheep...
    the koolaid drinkers.
    There are the older folks, who are just living life the way they know how, based on tradition and old fears and aversions.
    Then there is the young. They don't really know what kind of socio-dynamic they're particiipating in.
    They're just human, and there's no "supernatural" reason that they're wrong. The problems that exist on the right, that makes it the wrong thrust of ideas for our time, could be a function of the left. The exact same thing can happen on the left.
    Some loud voices on the right are definitely coming from evil throats. One problem with the right is that they dehumanize liberals with a simplistic narrative.

    I'd rather have a buntle afrota-me than a frottle a bunta-me.

    by David54 on Tue May 08, 2012 at 08:31:27 PM PDT

    •  Venturing into red state America? Man, I live in (6+ / 0-)

      Kansas. I am around these people every. effing. day. Do you know why I listed the things I did? Because every right-winger I know holds at least one of those views; nearly all hold most of them.

      As for understanding their lives, what is there to understand? They are working- and middle-class people who would literally sacrifice their oldest born (more like sacrifice their parents' well-being) to prevent a three percent tax hike on Mitt Romney. I guess I am not capable of "understanding" that mindset.

  •  Oh, they're evil all right. (5+ / 0-)

    The hypocrisy that gets me the most is that the GOP mostly claim to be Christian.

    Then they do everything within their power to defeat what Christ taught.

    Be good to the poor?  Crush all social welfare
    Love thy neighbor? Crush them like bugs
    Throw the money lenders out of the temple?  Enshrine them.

    And so forth.

    Christians?  They're more like Baal-worshipers.  And they don't even try to hide it.  MY question is, why does anyone who identifies as Christian vote for those thugs?

    To make the argument that the media has a left- or right-wing, or a liberal or a conservative bias, is like asking if the problem with Al-Qaeda is do they use too much oil in their hummus. Al Franken

    by Youffraita on Tue May 08, 2012 at 08:34:14 PM PDT

  •  Evil (0+ / 0-)

    because they think the infant and maternal mortality rates are too low.

  •  issue addressed at length (0+ / 0-)

    in this diary:

  •  The rich, powerful ones are evil (2+ / 0-)
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    The rest are a mix of evil, stupid, scared and brainwashed.

    If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

    by rhetoricus on Tue May 08, 2012 at 09:55:38 PM PDT

  •  i wouldn't say evil (0+ / 0-)

    i don't evil in the old paradigm of good and evil.

    there are plenty of words to describe them that aren't religious in nature.

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Wed May 09, 2012 at 06:57:46 AM PDT

  •  Sadly, to assume evil is to serve evil (0+ / 1-)
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    Most right wingers aren't evil.  We love our country, our families, have differing views on God and economics.  We want a better world for our children.  We have pets that we love, struggle to pay our mortgages and tuition, and make plans that like all plans get derailed.

    We dislike the President, not because of his race, but we find him think he is misguided in his policies and corrupt in his practices.  We find many of the leaders on the Left to be hypocrites supporting policies that hurt the masses, but that will have a minimal impact on themselves.

    What I find to be most discouraging about this sort of conversation is that Kossacks & Leftists tend to subscribe our differing views to evil.  

    Not policy disagreements.  

    On my side of the political fence, most of my conservative relations subscribe the views of liberals not to evil, but to stupidity and a committment to symbolic policies that don't work at the expense of policies that might actually work.

    We often make the mistake of lumping liberal/progressives into a single world view, which is a mistake -- but, I find liberal/progressives are far more likely to make the same mistake.  

    I'll try to answer your questions for you, but I already know it won't change your mind because your mind is closed to the reality that we merely disagree.

    And ironically, your closemindeness is and serves evil and harms our country by killing the chance of coming together to solve our problems.

    1.  Opposition to Gay marriage - personally, I'd support gay marriage if it came to a vote in my state.  But, no one can argue that gay marriage represents a huge social change from historical norms.  And many people are uncomfortable with major social change.  Of course, by saying the people who oppose gay marriage are evil instead of misinformed makes it easier for you.  Because, it is hard work to change people's minds.  But, if they are intrinsically evil there is no point in even trying.

    2.  Inserting religion into governance.

    Again, I  disagree. Except, religious beliefs and a moral code are closely interlinked.  And, if someone finds a practice (e.g. abortion) to be murder aren't they obligated to try and limit or prevent the offending practices by law?

    3.  We don't hate the environment.  But, heavy handed environmental regulations pushed by idiots who don't care about the lives destroyed when they ignore economics in their implementation of questionable regulations?  There was once a booming timber industry in the northwest. It died to spare the spotted owl.  The industry is a shadow of what it once was, the owl is still dying because it turns out its decline was due to other factors.  Talk to the farmers in California starved for water, or the the fishermen put out of business by bureacrats who use questionable science and see how we really feel about environmental regulations. Who are the true extremists?

    4.  Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security - for 30 years warning after warning has been issued that the programs are going broke.  That costs are rising too quickly to be covered.  That tax increases alone are not sufficient to solve the flaws of these programs.  The Republicans have put forward possible solutions - flawed, but at least something that can start the conversation.  On the progressive side, there is just denial that anything is wrong and anyone who attempts to address the issues is villified for wanting to kill grandma.

    5.  We distrust unions because the companies that have heavy union involvment keep going under (Airlines, Steel, Auto, etc.) and we can't understand why our taxes should keep rising to support beneifts that are far superior to those of us who work in the private sector. Supporting wars of aggression by the United States, often with complete disregard for who is harmed or killed, on either side? Check.

    6.  Claiming that some children born in the United States are not citizens of this nation, despite the absolutely crystal clear language of the 14th Amendment, through the tortured twisting of that language?

    Not sure if you're referring to Birthers or illegal Aliens here.
    But, while illegals who are born in the US are citizens, why does that automatically extend to their parents or families who came here outside of the law?  That's not racist, that's common sense.  

    7.  Denial of evolution?  Most of us are onboard with it.  Even the religious who believe in intelligent design accept evolution, but question whether its origin is divinely inspired.

    8.  Birth Control.  We don't hate it as immoral and want to cut off people's access - but, why do we have to pay for your birth control?  Especially, for the minority who do find it objectionable.  Why do you feel you have the right to coerce the minority to sacrifice their moral objections to what you find is right?

    I could go on , but honestly I'm out of time and you get tired of spitting into the wind.

    Now, if you'll excuse me I have to go make a sacrifice to my Lord Satan.

  •  Right Wingers don't believe in Compromise! (0+ / 0-)

    That is a fundamental element of Representative Democracy!

    If two parties will not compromise, you cannot have Representative Democracy.  Republicans are proving that every day in Washington, D.C.

    Until Republicans accept compromise as an element of government and agree to participate, we cannot work with Republicans.

    Impeach Grover Norquist! Defeat a Republican!

    by NM Ray on Wed May 09, 2012 at 07:12:22 AM PDT

    •  Compromise (0+ / 0-)

      When the Republicans approached the President about some of their ideas being incorporated into the stimulus program we were told  -- "elections have consequences" and they were frozen out.

      When the debt meetings were being held the Republicans offered $800 Billion in new revenue from closing tax loopholes - in exchange, for no increases in tax rates - the President walked away.

      I wonder, if the Republicans hold the house, take the Senate (which is likely given the number of Dems up for election) and Romney gets elected will you be complaining about their failure to compromise or lauding them for sticking to their campaign promises?

  •  i wholeheartedly agree (1+ / 0-)
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    it's easy to make small excuses to try to cover over these huge moral failures.  But failures they are. and huge too.  and the band-aid is so, so tiny.  
    Unfortunately, many if not most Rs are brain-dead when it comes to politics. Sure they are able to function in day to day life, pay bills, go to work, eat, breathe, poop, etc, but their immense moral failures to put in to action anything remotely close to resembling what they say they believe is not simply an Ooops! failure by omission, it is an internal denial of the good that exists in the reality of every other being other than themselves.  It is an ego-driven selfish cruelty, iow, evil.

  •  Sorry. (0+ / 0-)

    Circumstantial evidence? Sorry, just missed it.
    Might have some on Friday, though.

    Eyewitness? Sorry, sir. We had some, but it was perjured and we had to throw it out.

    Hearsay...? I just got a trailer-load yesterday. You'd like some? Uh, sorry, sir, but it's all spoken for.

    Fingerprints? No, sorry, our test kit got lost last week.

    DNA? We have some of that. Oh. Sorry, it's contaminated. You don't want it. No, sir, it's really contaminated. Oops, it seems to have been eaten by the evidence clerk.

    Documentary evidence? Let me have a look, sir. We do, but it's not notarized. I'm sorry sir, but the cat just put it through the shredder.

    Forensic evidence? No. We don't get much call for that around here, sir.

    Bone fragments? No.

    Do I have any evidence at all? Sir, what do you take me for?

    Oh. No, I do not in fact have any evidence.

    [thud]

  •  They're not all evil (0+ / 0-)

    Most are just willfully ignorant, and the evil ones prey on that ignorance.

  •  I won't try, I don't think I can (0+ / 0-)

    because they are inherently living in a dark zone of personal greed and emotional immaturity that gives them little "oobies" every time they hurt, mock, denigrate or humiliate another person. Judge a man (or woman) by how they treat animals, how they treat people in a "lower social bracket", how they treat servants, and how they treat anyone when there is niether punishment or bonus to their behavior and you'll find that a person who is fair, respectful and "nice" in all of these scenarios is almost never a person who agrees with Rush Limbaugh, makes a habit of Fox News, or votes Republican.  

    Send conservatives to FilthyLiberal.com for re-education.

    by filthyLiberalDOTcom on Wed May 09, 2012 at 08:21:37 AM PDT

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