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Eric Cantor reaffirms on TV this AM that GOP will use reconciliation to repeal Affordable Care Act in 2013 if they win in November.
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It seems unanimous. The House and Senate will spend the next four months in a prolonged temper tantrum to build up until 2013, when they hope to have both chambers of Congress and the White House and use reconciliation to kill Obamacare once and for all.

Let's travel back in time to March 2010 when Senate Democrats announced they'd use reconciliation to make final changes to the bill, and pass it.

[...] Democrats have chosen to deploy the reconciliation process. This is a process that represents in this scenario a manipulation of the rules, and frankly a will to circumvent the American people. Senator Jon Kyl and I have distributed a memo today laying out the complexities of the reconciliation process and in fact the uncertainties surrounding this entire process. The Democrats are trying to conduct a solely partisan vote to ram this bill down the throats of the American people in a way that I think will negatively impact our health care future forever
Cantor also said, way back when: "This is such a perversion of the process and a manipulation of the rules, they do this at their peril." He also called on President Obama to take reconciliation off the table.

Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) said it would lead to a "minor revolution." Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) called it "arrogant." And Sens. Judd Gregg (R-NH), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Olympia Snowe (R-ME), Jon Kyl (R-AZ) and Orrin Hatch (R-UT) all piled on, with Gregg even calling it an "act of violence."

Uh-huh.

So, how long do you think it will be until they rename reconciliation something like "The Restoration of Freedom Rule?"

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:26 AM PDT.

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  •  bipartisan commission for truth and reconciliation (2+ / 0-)
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    Gemina13, Joan McCarter

    with Larry Craig, Mitch McDaniels, Ted Haggard, Tom Foley, David Vitter, Gary Hart, Gary Condit, Eliot Spitzer, Anthony Weiner, Jim McGreevey

    slutty voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare." 政治委员, 政委!

    by annieli on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:34:07 AM PDT

  •  IOKIYAR. (11+ / 0-)

    That's the only rule today's GOP accepts. It falls in line with the Romper Room philosophy of "Gimme everything I want or I'll throw a temper tantrum and kick and scream and bite your ankle."
    Oh, and bring the daily business of the U.S. government to a halt.
    Miss Rosemary left the building decades ago.

    •  It's worse than that (5+ / 0-)
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      Matt Z, Gordon20024, eps62, 714day, Cedwyn

      A little ankle-biting could be tolerated but it won't stop there.
      All this propaganda about the "illegitimacy of the government", "Obama is a foreigner", "the Occupied United States", "tax as theft", etc., are laying the philosophical basis for violence against the government and/or their political opponents.  So far only the real loons have followed through from this basis, but the violence is going to get more prevalent as time goes on.


      My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.—Carl Schurz
      Give 'em hell, Barry—Me

      by KingBolete on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:16:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  both Bush tax cuts passed via Reconciliation (9+ / 0-)

    requiring less than 60 votes - Cheney had to come in for the 2nd vote to make the magic "51."

    "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

    by MartyM on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:46:48 AM PDT

    •  which is different than voting to change the (1+ / 0-)
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      Nica24

      rules of the Senate and get rid of the filibuster. Those are two completely different things and people are confounding them. One can get enough Republican votes (reconciliation) and one cannot (voting to get rid of the filibuster).

      When have they voted to change the rules of the Senate and get rid of the filibuster?

      And repealing ACA cannot be done using reconciliation.
      It would add to the deficit. So, they would have to set aside those rules, something that they have either never done or rarely done.

      •  All this talk (0+ / 0-)

        Now makes me hesitent to petition Harry Reid to change Senate rules or use Nuclear Option.

        Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

        by MrAnon on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:14:53 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Can be done via reconciliation (1+ / 0-)
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        coffeetalk

        The CBO has revised its numbers and it shows ACA as adding to the deficit.  The only way it was able to go through originally was by the trick of looking at the "first" ten years, but that included 10 years of revenue, and only 7 years of costs.  It also assumed the funds shifted from Medicaid would stand without being remedied and that is not going to happen.

        •  link for the CBO revision? (0+ / 0-)
          The CBO has revised its numbers and it shows ACA as adding to the deficit
          Actually the CBO had to release another report to refute rightwing LIES.....
          March 2012.....CBO released two reports this week related to the analysis of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) conducted by CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT).  

          ....Some of the commentary on those reports has suggested that CBO and JCT have changed their estimates of the effects of the ACA to a significant degree. That’s not our perspective.

          ....For the provisions of the Affordable Care Act related to health insurance coverage, CBO and JCT’s latest estimates are quite similar to the estimates we released when the legislation was being considered in March 2010.

          http://www.cbo.gov/...

          "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

          by MartyM on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 06:51:15 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  good luck recouping the already disbursed funds (12+ / 0-)

    are they going to unbuild community health centers?  will they make customers rebate their rebates?  what nonsense.

    Die with your boots on. If you're gonna try, well stick around. Gonna cry? Just move along. The truth of all predictions is always in your hands. - Iron Maiden

    by Cedwyn on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:48:22 AM PDT

    •  Yeah (10+ / 0-)

      even if they manage the election, good luck undoing it. But, hey, when has reality ever gotten in their way before?

      "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

      by Joan McCarter on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:57:56 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •   PPACA was NOT "passed" via reconciliation (1+ / 0-)
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        Let's travel back in time to March 2010 when Senate Democrats announced they'd use reconciliation to make final changes to the bill, and pass it.
        please stop saying things like that.  PPACA was signed into law on march 23, 2010.  the reconciliation legislation that amended it was signed into law on march 30.

        PPACA was passed/enacted via the normal procedure.  it was amended using reconciliation to pass an entirely separate bill.

        Die with your boots on. If you're gonna try, well stick around. Gonna cry? Just move along. The truth of all predictions is always in your hands. - Iron Maiden

        by Cedwyn on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 09:51:26 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  GOP used reconciliation to ram Bush's tax cuts (10+ / 0-)

    through too.

    "We don't need someone who can think. We need someone with enough digits to hold a pen." ~ Grover Norquist

    by Lefty Coaster on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:49:31 AM PDT

  •  He looks like Eddie Haskell (4+ / 0-)
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    am I the only one who ever thought that?

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

    by Karl Rover on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:57:37 AM PDT

  •  What, no filibuster? (3+ / 0-)
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    ferg, TofG, Ky DEM

    I'm really not as stupid as that question sounds. If the Republicans have a majority in the House, a slim majority in the Senate, and the White House, do you really think they will need to use reconciliation to avoid a filibuster? Or is it more likely that they will avoid all of the obstructionism they have deployed for the last four years by eliminating the filibuster entirely and holding the Senate to a majority vote system?

    If nine year old boys could get pregnant, the Catholic Church would mandate the use of birth control.

    by gilacliff on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:58:08 AM PDT

  •  "Jon Kyl and I have distributed a memo" (2+ / 0-)
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    annieli, Cedwyn

    Was it intended to be a "Factual" memo?

    Was it strongly worded?

    Not blaming Bush for the mess we're in, is like not blaming a train engineer for a fatal train wreck because he's no longer driving the train.

    by JML9999 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:59:00 AM PDT

  •  Guess we better make damn sure (6+ / 0-)
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    Ky DEM, Hill Jill, hulibow, Matt Z, eps62, Cedwyn

    That we have a Democratic Senate, and House, then, eh?

  •  Well, heh, heh, heh. Maybe we should have a (3+ / 0-)
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    little "violence" as Gregg, Grassley, Snowe, Kyl & Hatch put it, and some of that great perverted revolutionary "arrogance."

    What can the Democratic Senate pass by Reconciliation right now?

    "extreme concentration of income is incompatible with real democracy.... the truth is that the whole nature of our society is at stake." Paul Krugman

    by Gorette on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:00:35 AM PDT

  •  Why would they need reconciliation (2+ / 0-)
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    Ky DEM, wsexson

    if they control the WH and both chambers? All they have to do is change the filibuster rules in the Senate and they can pretty much do anything they want. Anyone who thinks they're too timid or collegial to do so is nuts. It's what the Dems should have done when they had the chance. There won't be any such problems keeping their minions in line.

    Not that they're going to sweep the election, so this is, of course, a pointless exercise except as an example of why America can't afford to keep them in power anywhere in November.

    In America, a rising tide lifts all yachts and drowns the workers who built them.

    by DaveW on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:02:23 AM PDT

    •  when and under what circumstance have (0+ / 0-)

      Republicans set aside the filibuster rule or voted to change the rules in respect to the filibuster ?

      And using reconciliaton is different than doing that. So, the Bush tax cuts don't count.

    •  "There won't be any such problems keeping their (0+ / 0-)

      minions in line" should have read "keeping the Rep minions in line.

      I'm still genuinely curious as to why anyone thinks an all-powerful GOP would need to resort to reconciliation. Unless this an admission that they can't keep their causcus in line once they come to power.

      In America, a rising tide lifts all yachts and drowns the workers who built them.

      by DaveW on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:12:08 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Wish MSM would run tapes back to back, repeatedly! (7+ / 0-)

    They get away with these constant inconsistent hypocrisies on a daily basis.  If the media would show clips back to back of each of these "leaders" making exact opposite statements, to support IOKYAR, they would be Comedy Central.  

    I think that Republicanism is revealing itself as a personality disorder, not so much an ideology." -- Naomi Klein

    by AllanTBG on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:02:53 AM PDT

    •  Agree (4+ / 0-)
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      AllanTBG, PorridgeGun, Matt Z, eps62

      But hell, half the time you don't even have to run two separate tapes back to back, all you have to do is listen to a single tape and they will completely contradict themselves from sentence to sentence.  Word salad, it's what Republicans eat.

      Poor man wants to be rich. Rich man wants to king. And the king ain't satisifed until he rules everything. B.Springsteen

      by howd on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:07:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The Difference (5+ / 0-)
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    Ky DEM, Dillonfence, ferg, darlalalala, Matt Z

    Reconciliation is designed for budget bills. The ACA saves money according to CBO and thus qualified for using reconciliaton, it met all of the requirements.

    Repealing the ACA would lose money. It would not meet those requirements. So, to use a 51 vote majority, they could not simply use reconciliation without voting to ignore the Byrd Rules. We did not have to do that.

    They do not have and will not have 51 votes to ignore the Byrd Rules and use reconciliation despite not meeting those rules.
    They do not have and will not have 51 votes to get rid of the fiibuster in order to repeal ACA.

    To have the votes (and not lose too many Republican votes), they must create a bill that meets the rules for reconcilation including the Byrd Rules. If they do not meet those rules, they will have too many defections among Republican Senators.
    That is reality. If anyone cares.

  •  they are giving up on the presidency (1+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z

    because if they really wanted to win the presidency they would avoid Obamneycare and focus on the economy...everyone and their ugly mother know about Romney-care how Romney was the father of O-care....the argument it's OK when I do it...will not persuade independent voters. so the best chance they had was to forget about the O-care and focus on Economy..since they are not doing that and are doing base motivating appeals that means they have given up on the independents, expect Romney to pick a bland white guy

    /If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer/. Thoreau

    by hron on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:04:50 AM PDT

    •  unfortunately, focussing on the economy (1+ / 0-)
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      mrbeen38

      turns out to be a bad idea for romney as well, for two reasons:

      1. it reminds people of who fucked it up to begin with.,

      and

      2. that under obama, it is (albeit slowly) improving, in spite of the obstruction by the house republicans. romney can't even get republican gov's to shut up about the improving economies of their states.

      at this point, romney's pretty well fucked, and the republican party knows it. they will concentrate their efforts on keeping the house and taking control of the senate.

  •  Cantor Always Reminds Me (6+ / 0-)

    Of the little shit who sat in his room pulling the wings off of flies while everyone else was out playing in the sunshine. And McConnell, well, he reminds me of the little shit who ate the flies.

  •  Most GOPers are hypocrites (0+ / 0-)

    Well, the public figures, anyway.  Not only are the beliefs wrong, most of them seem to change whenever it is convenient for them to change (see also Romney, Mitt).  The odd thing is that they either don't realize their hypocrisy (e.g., "I don't know what I said but I stand by it 100%"), consider hypocrisy irrelevant (e.g,. "that statement is no longer operative) or they simply don't care (since the media won't call them on it or even if they do so, the media let them skate away).  

    It makes me doubt the intelligence, at least the practical intelligence, of Obama and company that they even considered reaching across the aisle a practical strategy.


    My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.—Carl Schurz
    Give 'em hell, Barry—Me

    by KingBolete on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:06:14 AM PDT

  •  More proof (3+ / 0-)
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    darlalalala, KingBolete, Matt Z

    we are a nation of dopes and fools.  Our government is a reflection and representation of who we are as a society.  Instead of electing scientists, philosophers and visionaries, we get snake-oil salesman and con artists.  It's a shame the reason our great minds are so "great" is that they have enough sense to stay as far removed from politics as possible.  

    "Children lack morality, but they also lack fake morality." Mignon McLaughlin

    by djbender on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:08:40 AM PDT

  •  Dear GOP, (4+ / 0-)
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    annieli, ferg, Hill Jill, Matt Z

    Why are you trying to prevent my child from receiving his life saving medical care?

    Why do you want my (insert family member here) to die?

    Is my child's life only worth a few thousand dollars in campaign funds to you?

    What makes you qualified to determine what medical needs my child has the right to recieve?

    Are you willing to give up your taxpayer funded health insurance and pay your own way?

    If you believe this is a Christian nation, why don't you govern in a Christ-like manner. See Matthew 25.

    I assume the GOP will be happy to answer these questions after they poll it, have several meetings about it, ask El Rushbo what he thinks, and teach Rmoney & his spokesperson how to word it.

    Nature created the human race, but humans created racism.

    by GrannyOPhilly on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:13:34 AM PDT

  •  That guy looks familiar... (2+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z, Barnaby Grudge

    Iraq, Iran, Issa. Nope - nothing to see here. Move along now.

    by here4tehbeer on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:14:28 AM PDT

  •  Insurance Companies Will Mail Out Their First..... (1+ / 0-)
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    Hill Jill

    rebate to their customers in August.  As part of Obamacare(s), their customers will receive a check for $156.00 because the insurers spent less than 80% of premiums collected on customer's medical expenses.

     A large chunk (about 40%) of premiums collected go to their administrative costs including CEO salaries.  Medicare's overhead is 3%.  

    Republicans would have loved to stop those checks.  Too bad, so sad.  

    Seniors on Medicare have saved an average of $600.00 for prescription drugs.....thanks to Obamacare(s).

    Not all the benefits of Obamacare(s) have been held off until 2014.  People are seeing the rewards.  Republicans can't stand that.  Scurry, Scurry.  

  •  And GOP has used it PLENTY over the years. To be (0+ / 0-)

    specific, reconciliation has been used 22 times since 1981, and 14 of them (64%) were by GOP.

    http://www.politifact.com/...

  •  I've been saying for months holding Senate very (0+ / 0-)

    important.

    The only thing we have to fear is fear itself - FDR. Obama Nation. -6.13 -6.15

    by ecostar on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:27:50 AM PDT

  •  I read this... (0+ / 0-)
    It seems unanimous. The House and Senate will spend the next four months in a prolonged temper tantrum to build up until 2013, when they hope to have both chambers of Congress and the White House and use reconciliation to kill Obamacare once and for all. [emphasis mine]
    as this:
    It seems unanimous. The House and Senate will spend the next four months in a prolonged temper tantrum to build up until 2013, when they hope to have both chambers of Commerce  and the White House and use reconciliation to kill Obamacare once and for all. [change and emphasis mine]
    ...only to realize I'm right.

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:43:09 AM PDT

  •  Wow what a campaign slogan (0+ / 0-)

    If we win, you lose your insurance and die in the streets. Dear Eric, this one is going to come back to bite you. Twitter is forever, GO AHEAD TOUGH BOY MAKE OUR DAY. You just gave us another reason to vote you all out of congress, besides the fact like it doesn't seem like you ever do any work, just whine, whine , whine!

    Republicans piss on you and tell you it's raining, Democrats hand you an umbrella!

    by Nica24 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 11:44:38 AM PDT

  •  Democrats should agree with Cantor (0+ / 0-)

    Democrats should now announce what they will use reconciliation for should they regain the House and keep the Senate, and run on it. If they tell the public in advance, then it's simply democracy: the public can either choose Cantor's agenda or the Democratic agenda.  If Democrats are too chicken to step up and do this, we shouldn't be surprised if they go down.

    For example, they can promise to enact Obama's proposal to send money to states to hire back the laid-off cops, firefighters and teachers, the one Republicans have been blocking.  They can find other job-creating measures as well.

    Reconciliation is just democracy: you have to have control of both houses to do it, and if you do, then the public voted for that.

  •  ever notice how republicans constantly (1+ / 0-)
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    use the term

    ram this bill down the throats of the American people
    or a variation thereof. always with the "ramming down the throat"! kinda makes you wonder what's really on their minds?
  •  they won't use reconciliation (2+ / 0-)
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    If the GOP has a 51 seat Senate majority, you can kiss the filibuster goodbye (and I'll be glad to see it go).

    They will want to conduct ALL Senate business in a "ram it down your throat because we can" mode.

    Just look at Wisconsin and all the other states under the GOP today.

    They are thugs and bullies and will govern as such if elected.

    why I'm a Democrat - Isaiah 58:6-12, Matthew 25:31-46

    by marking time on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:17:03 PM PDT

  •  Reconciliation, Ha! (0+ / 0-)

    Trouble with the Repugs is that they have no interest in governance. It's all about how much power they can garner and how much they can steal while in office. Appealing to the lowest common denominator is ultimately a losing strategy but they'll stick with it as long as possible and continue to practice their theft by demagogy with the aid of the corporate media by stroking the teabaggers and the one-issue, knuckle dragging, racist slack-jaws who keep them in office.

    Their demise is so obvious you almost have to laugh and can be summed up in the famous line: "Keep your stinking government hands off my Medicare."

    Yes Mitch, Eric, John and Willard, they don't call it the "Third Rail" for nothing.

    I prefer rogues to imbeciles because they sometimes take a rest. --Alexandre Dumas.

    by Barnaby Grudge on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:33:20 PM PDT

  •  Eric Cantor is a dick n/t (0+ / 0-)

    No one man can terrorize a whole nation unless we are all his accomplices...Edward R. Murrow

    by maxcat06 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:56:14 PM PDT

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