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I just noticed this in the Miami Herald. I have not seen it reported anywhere else.  Guantanamo will get a 40 Million Dollar Fiber Optic link which will be run underwater from Guantanamo Cuba to somewhere in South Florida.  I think this is a disgusting usage of taxpayer dollars or any dollars for any American entity at all. The United States lease at Guantanamo is officially disputed by Cuba and should be, it is immoral and gives fuel to the Castro brothers for keeping their grip on power!

But now, imagine the scope of the project at hand. They will need to lay at least 200 miles of Fiber Optic cable to cover at least a hundred miles. How will that affect the sensitive Caribbean Ocean area where the project will move forward? And what does this say about our long term intention at Guantanamo, where there are still a whole lot of prisoners being Illegally held without proper trials and tortured ???

Well it is no surprise that that former Bush era head of detainee policy Cully Stimson is a Heritage Foundation peep and says “It may be a fiscally prudent use of taxpayer funds.”
Is this the same Heritage Foundation that mused ACA into existence and is now calling it caca?

That prisoners are still in Guantanamo while this project is moving forward is alarming enough, as we thought Obama would move to close the prison in his first 4 years and Im really hoping he wins and comes in balls to the wall his next 4 and manages to close the prison.  
But according to Stimson "the investment in the infrastructure does not necessarily signal that the Pentagon is now preparing for detention of prisoners at Guantánamo forever" Great< thanks.  I am really relieved .....

Stimson sounds even more comforting in the next quote when he says that even if Obama succeeds in closing Guantanamo " the infrastructure there could be put to other use"

What a moronic and completely arrogant position.


I lease my apartment and I would never think to run a cable line from my apartment in Brooklyn to California, or New Jersey for that matter.  The most I can do legally is run a cable from my backyard to the nearest light post. How does Cuba not say anything or let this go on?  Maybe they get no respect for their criminal acts on their own people? I think though it probably benefits Cuba to have a reliable yankee scapegoat!
Still the US is basically spending BILLIONS on infrastructure in a leased section of an island and in the islands waters when even the lease they have is ILLEGAL


After the Spanish- American War the United States was "given" a perpetual lease of Guantanamo by Thomas Estrada Palma. The US was in COMPLETE CONTROL of Cuba at the time (for 5 years) after fighting off the Spanish who had purportedly sunk the US battleship Maine. What a bargain for Estrada Palma "We either keep the whole island.... or lease Guantanamo for ETERNITY!"

OK I am steaming and it is HOT as HELL in Brooklyn. I got to get out of here but this story made me SICK!  I am CUBAN and AMERICAN and It pisses me off that the US is even in Guantanamo. Get the hell out and stop using my money for stupid underwater covert communications to torture prisoners in dark secret prisons. I even read that prisoners who cooperate are offered "HAPPY MEALS" from McDonalds located in SOMEWHERE IN GTMO. HAPPY BIRTHDAY USA!

Full Article is here -

Navy plans $40 million fiber-optic link to Guantánamo base

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  •  There's still a military base there (6+ / 0-)

    I don't think it's unreasonable to want all our military bases to have decent net access.  In fact I'd say it's vital.

    This would be a good thing regardless of if there are prisoners there or not.

    •  You are kidding, right? Snark? (0+ / 0-)

      How is this a 'good thing.'  We have far too many domestic needs being unmet. Pffftt.

      How did the Supreme Court decision on ACA help the 23 million still uncovered? Ask the 18,000 Doctors of ... they're not waiting, but working now to pass H.R. 676, the “Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act .

      by divineorder on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 04:00:58 PM PDT

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  •  OUR MILITARY BASES! (1+ / 0-)
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    Point is it is a base located in a LEASED AREA and the LEASE IS ILLEGAL. Did you ever hear about satellite phones? 40 Million Dollars is too much money for a "TEMPORARY" base. And it's my money and yours buddy.

    •  There is nothing a permanent (2+ / 0-)
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      Catte Nappe, MTmofo

      as a temporary building. Old military saying. I'm sure they already have satellite phones, and the bill for using them will cost taxpayers a lot more than the cost of running the cable.

      Gitmo is more than just a prison facility that should never have been. Even when the prison is shut down, there are still other operations that will require the Guantanamo Naval Station to remain in service.

      "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

      by Orinoco on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 03:12:42 PM PDT

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      •  ok (0+ / 0-)

        Im Cuban American, so let me reply to you from both of my ethnicities -

        As a Cuban - Fuck you Yankee get the Hell off of my territory

        As an American - Fuck you for being such a colonizer. I don't want my America to continue "manifest destiny".

        Jeese I would have expected more support from the Dkos community. Turns out there are alot of centrists here.

        •  When I read the diary (0+ / 0-)

          I suspected you were using this news to ride your hobby horse, you have now confirmed it.

          If you feel Yankees should go home and not continue manifest destiny (is Cuba part of manifest destiny?) then write a diary about it. Marshall your arguments, make your case.

          "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

          by Orinoco on Thu Jul 05, 2012 at 09:54:29 AM PDT

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  •  Fiber is cheaper than satellite (1+ / 0-)
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    Setting aside for a moment the political issues, communications over fiber vs. the probable current use of satellite is cheaper, much more secure, and the performance is much better as the latency is almost nil.  

    Fiber is also easier to add bandwidth to.  If the active electronics at either end of the cable won't support adding additional circuits/bandwidth then it's very easy to swap them out for Dense Wave Division multiplexers.

    Most Republicans are against contraception because you can't get pregnant from anal sex. ---Chelsea Handler

    by hobie1616 on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 02:42:30 PM PDT

  •  Not just for Military (8+ / 0-)

    Don't believe the US Navy cover story about "improved communications for the base". A base of 6000 needing this kind of Fiber connect? Yeah right. Would not surprise me if this link was designed for future corporate use to service the entire island of Cuba. Having worked in Telecoms and Undersea Data business for years, I can say that there is nothing better than picking up someone else's investment in infrastructure for pennies on the dollar or nothing. This has already happened in the Caribbean when all the big Fiber guys went bankrupt in the 90s (Level 3, 360, Global Crossing etc). All the talk in the Caribbean has been about Cuba eventually opening back up to US business. Having the military build a high capacity data-com link to Cuba, spending their money and taking all the risk on the back of the taxpayer works out well for private sector. Business as usual for the 1%. Telcos could look to use the link after Cuba "opens up" and sell all kinds of telco and data services to Cuba from the USA AT ZERO COST of delivery on Uncle Sam's Fiber link. Remember government and military investing and building the Internet through DARPA? Same thing, just a fiber link this time.

  •  Cuba Fiber (1+ / 0-)
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    "LIME, the Caribbean subsidiary of London-based Cable & Wireless Communications plc, said it is the “strategic landing partner” in Jamaica of the Cuban-Venezuelan state joint venture that operates the new Venezuela-Cuba-Jamaica fiberoptic cable."

    "The fiber-optic cable between Cuba and Venezuela, long and eagerly awaited by Cubans as a speedy new ramp onto the Internet, is “in full operation” but only between the two governments, according to news reports and experts.

    Cubans now have the slowest and most expensive access to the Internet in Latin America because their connections must go through satellites rather than far faster and cheaper fiber-optic cables.

    That was supposed to change with the $70 million ALBA-1 fiber-optic cable, laid under the Caribbean from Venezuela to Siboney beach near the southeastern city of Santiago de Cuba and paid for largely by leftist Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez.

    But the Cuban government has never explained why the cable remains unavailable to people on the island, leaving the door open to speculation and rumors."

    "But 10 months after the system was supposed to have gone online, Cuba's government has not recently mentioned the cable, and the Internet on the island remains the slowest in the hemisphere. The link had been expected to promptly improve the speed of the Internet in Cuba."

    "There is not a single valid argument to delay any longer the mass influx of Cubans on the Web, other than the eternal fear of our authorities before the free flow of information. Every day that they delay our initiation as Internauts, they compromise the professional and social capital of this nation, they condemn us to the caboose of modernity."

    Most Republicans are against contraception because you can't get pregnant from anal sex. ---Chelsea Handler

    by hobie1616 on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 04:50:11 PM PDT

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