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U.S. Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney gestures while making a point about children's education at The Latino Coalition during the Annual Economic Summit at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in Washington, May 23,
Afghanistan? Romney campaign says it doesn't matter. (Reuters)
Mitt Romney's Afghanistan policy is so underdeveloped that even his staunchest defenders are at a loss to explain what Romney would do to unwind the U.S.-led war there. It's becoming yet another sore spot for the campaign.

Which brings us to this from Romney Senior Communications Adviser Tara Wall:

"Unfortunately it’s disappointing that the attacks, these recent attacks on all these issues outside of what the issues are relative to Mitt Romney are diverting away from what real Americans want to talk about. And real Americans want to talk about getting back to work."
It's a one-size-fits-all answer for any criticism, or hell, even questioning, of Romney. It's all attacks that are distracting from what "real Americans" want to talk about. Except this time is very, very different.

All those troops in Afghanistan aren't "real Americans"? How about all their family members back home, waiting and praying that they'll return home safely? Are they "real Americans"? Apparently in Romneyland, they're just distractions.

3:25 PM PT: Obama for America Veterans and Military Family Vote Director Rob Diamond responds:

"[A]fter more than a decade of war, real Americans—including those who serve, have served and their families—care about our mission in Afghanistan and are concerned that Romney’s only plan is to leave our troops there indefinitely. Real Americans care that Romney has supported a budget plan that could slash spending for Veterans Affairs by $11 billion a year and even suggested privatizing veterans’ health care. The families of those who have given their lives in Afghanistan certainly care as well.

“Americans deserve to know what Mitt Romney would do as Commander-in-Chief, and rather than outlining a plan to end the war, he has thus far simply criticized the President for setting a timetable to bring our troops home. If Governor Romney and his advisors don’t have an answer because they don’t have a plan, they should let us know that, too.”

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 02:17 PM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (113+ / 0-)

    "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

    by Joan McCarter on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 02:17:54 PM PDT

  •  Are there any polls showing... (16+ / 0-)

    Romney's popularity among currently serving military? Especially enlisted?

    Just curious.

    •  Not sure, but these polls show how out of touch (8+ / 0-)

      Romney campaign is on Afghanistan.

      Looks like an opportunity for the Obama campaign!

      Wall Street Journal, MarketWatch July 17, 2012, 1:41 p.m. EDT Americans Question Gains of War in Afghanistan
      Two in three Americans believe war in Afghanistan not worth fighting

      More than twice as many Americans (67%) say that the war in Afghanistan has not been worth fighting than say that it has been (32%). Majorities across the political spectrum agree that the costs outweigh the benefits, though Republicans are more likely to say the war has been worth it (41%) and Independents are least likely to say so (22%).

      This finding is on par with an identically worded question in an April 2012 ABC News/Washington Post poll and a striking reversal from the ABC February 2007 poll when a majority (57%) thought that the fighting in Afghanistan was worth the costs.

      After more than a decade, a majority think Afghan war has not made U.S. safer

      How did Supreme Court decision ACA help the 23 million still uncovered? Ask the 18,000 Doctors of PNHP -- they're not waiting, FORWARD now to pass H.R. 676, the “Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act .

      by divineorder on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 02:33:21 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  As noted last week here on Kos... (2+ / 0-)
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        elwior, Tinfoil Hat

        After eleven years, nearly two thousand Americans killed, sixteen thousand Americans wounded, nearly four hundred billion dollars spent, and more than twelve thousand Afghan civilians dead since 2007, the war in Afghanistan has come to this: the United States is leaving, mission not accomplished.

        I am retired so my memory is growing dim....
        But just who got us INTO Afghanistan in the first place?

        Just who refused to raise taxes to pay for this war or the one next door, and actually CUT taxes in response...especially for the wealthy?

        Just who now uses the massive deficits created as a result as a smoke screen to claim we HAVE to cut the national debt right now and the only way to do it is by gutting the social safety net (and cutting taxes some more on the wealthy.)

        And who now claims that actually carrying out the defense spending cuts they insisted they would make if they could not pass a Simpson/Bowles budget cut, would "destroy the military" and therefore must be abandoned?

        It's not Americans who don't care about Afghanistan, Mitt and is you.....those games are behind want the chance to take control and play more of them.  I can only pray you fail.

        Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

        by dweb8231 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 05:21:53 PM PDT

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    •  Did find this on veterans, but its Politico ymmv (8+ / 0-)

      Obama bets on young veterans

      By KATIE GLUECK | 7/10/12 5:27 PM EDT

      President Barack Obama is trying to win over a historically difficult demographic for Democrats: veterans.

      And there’s some evidence in last week’s otherwise unimpressive jobs numbers that it’s not an impossible mission.

      The unemployment rate appears to be dipping for post 9/11 veterans, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. In the first six months of 2012, that figure has mostly stayed below 10 percent, in contrast to 2011, when the unemployment rate for that group hit double digits every month that year except for August.

      These mostly younger veterans, known officially as Gulf War Era-II veterans, have experienced higher rates of unemployment than just about any other demographic in the country. According to last Friday’s figures, that number is now at 9.5 percent, down from last June’s 13.3 percent.

      According to a Gallup poll from late May, veterans as a whole still overwhelmingly opt for the Republican choice: Romney was favored by a margin of 58 to 34 percent in that survey. His campaign attributes that both to the poor economy — which, it argues, Romney can turn around — and Obama’s willingness to cut the defense budget.

      How did Supreme Court decision ACA help the 23 million still uncovered? Ask the 18,000 Doctors of PNHP -- they're not waiting, FORWARD now to pass H.R. 676, the “Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act .

      by divineorder on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 02:59:13 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks. Young veterans works. (3+ / 0-)
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        I was really hoping more for enthusiasm numbers. My experience with the military shows that it tends to be less monolithically conservative than people realize, but especially among Enlisted, prone to a lot of disinformation. But that sort of poll would be really hard to run, so it's just pipe dreams, I guess.

        •  Still upsets me the propaganda broadcast (7+ / 0-)

          over the Armed Forces Network.   Why can't we get Rush off there?

          How did Supreme Court decision ACA help the 23 million still uncovered? Ask the 18,000 Doctors of PNHP -- they're not waiting, FORWARD now to pass H.R. 676, the “Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act .

          by divineorder on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 03:09:58 PM PDT

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          •  Too easy to make Rush into a martyr. (2+ / 0-)
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            divineorder, elwior

            But the current atmosphere makes me think that we really need to start rethinking our defamation, slander and libel laws to be a little tougher.

          •  Official Answer re: Rush (1+ / 0-)
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            Heart of the Rockies

            The AFN chooses shows based on their ratings in the US. It's worth noting that the shows it chooses aren't payed (again, per the AFN).

            At the end of the day, I'm not sure that's a bad policy. It does mean that efforts to get Rush off local stations serves double duty, reducing his ratings and getting him closer to the door at AFN.


            •  Rush is becoming increasingly bizzare in his (2+ / 0-)
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              pronouncements, more extreme in his hatred, more blatant in his racism, and more irrational sounding every day.  Maybe the military, which is a place in American life where blacks and minorities are given a fair shake, get promoted to positions of authority based upon measureable accomplishments, leadership capability and experience, should be given unfettered access to Rush's self-destruction as a force in radical right pollitics, and advocate of policies and politicians who seek to harm the very soldiers who listen to him.

              How do Republicans harm soldiers, they work to make it harder for them to vote.  They support policies that seek to de-fund the VA and profitize (privatize) veteran's health care.  They seek to limit wage increases for soldiera s.  They oppose deployment limits, which impacts not only the service personnel, but their families, weakens their marriages, contributes to more wounds, more mental illness among veterans, contributes to an all time record number of veteran suicides.  So, yes, our military personnel should be given access to the hatred spewed by Rush Limbaugh so they can come home and throw out those whom he supports.

              Rush Limbaugh and his funders, supporters, advertisers somehow think that our military, which is the very best trained military in the history of the world is simply too dumb to see through his hatred, his racism, his lies.  The Radical Right who support Rush Limbaugh should just keep thinking that, because they will be proven completely wrong.

              Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

              by Ohiodem1 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 05:23:47 PM PDT

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    •  Unfortunately, (1+ / 0-)
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      there were some polls showing unwarranted popularity among veterans.  Even though he was a Vietnam draft dodger whose Neocon foreign policy advisers will probably get another war going.

    •  Yep, rMoney holds a lead amongst vets... sigh... (0+ / 0-)
      As the nation remembers veterans who have served their country throughout the U.S. military, a new Gallup poll reveals that those same veterans overwhelmingly support Mitt Romney over President Obama in the race for the White House.

      'If you want to be a hero, well just follow me.' - J. Lennon

      by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 05:15:26 PM PDT

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    •  I'm curious, are "real Americans" the same as (3+ / 0-)
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      Hushes, kurious, nupstateny

      "You people"?

      My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me. Benjamin Disraeli

      by pvmuse on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 06:41:54 PM PDT

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      •  I would think not! (1+ / 0-)
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        "You people" are the one's that fight the Republican's wars.

        Even though I am disappointed at some of his actions, I am thankful every day that Barack Obama is President and not George Bush and certainly not John McCain.

        by gritsngumbo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 06:38:15 PM PDT

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  •  When all else fails and your crazy base is getting (13+ / 0-)

    restless, resort to the "real Americans" card!  It always gets  the rabid right frothing.  Pathetic...are we really going there again, republicans?  Your "club" is getting smaller and smaller, or haven't you noticed?

    Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

    by Fury on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 02:26:31 PM PDT

  •  Here is a simple "litmus test" to tell who Mitt (15+ / 0-)

    Rmoney thinks is a real American.

    "Do you have a million dollars?"

    If you answered "No" you're not a real American.

    And no "real Americans" are talking about Afghanistan. Unless it's "How do we get our troops from Afghanistan to Iran?"

    Many people thought Bush was "the kind of guy you wanted to have a beer with". People are beginning to realize that Romney is "the kind of guy you want to pour a beer on".

    by ontheleftcoast on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 02:28:43 PM PDT

  •  maybe they're confusing it (7+ / 0-)

    with uzbeki-beki-stan-stan

    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 02:32:55 PM PDT

  •  Rmoney Badger don't care he just orders you people (8+ / 0-)


    "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

    by Dood Abides on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 02:33:38 PM PDT

  •  Anybody else humming Hulk Hogan's theme song? (0+ / 0-)

    "I am a real American, fight for the rights of ev'ry man."

    Clearly the lyrics are going to have to undergo a little re-writing by Mitt's scribes (the Pharisees will be given other tasks). But it seems tailor-made for the Romney campaign to use relentlessly during the National Republican Convention.

    During slack times, conventioneers will be encouraged to play impromptu games of "I'm a real American," listing the fabulous ways in which their American-ness is more authentic than others. Sort of like the dozens for extremely white people.

  •  So just to summarize here, (14+ / 0-)

    Tara Wall is saying the millions of family members and friends of our soldiers, all of them praying without cease that their (son, daughter, husband, wife, brother, sister) does not come home in a box:

    are not REAL AMERICANS?

    I would invite her to say that to their faces. As a matter of fact I would pay good money to see it.

    When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained. - Mark Twain

    by Late Again on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 02:37:08 PM PDT

  •  Tell this awesome smart lady Tara Wall (14+ / 0-)

    the the Veterans, who just came out of deployments from Afghanistan and cared very much about this war, are the same ones, who talk about the jobs they can't find.

    Unreal Americans talk like real Americans. Who would have thought?

    How much does Tara Wall make being Romney's Senior Communication Advisor ? Didn't Romney say he likes to fire people? No?

    •  She did not bring out the 'smart lady' (6+ / 0-)

      this morning on MSNBC. She was on w/ Luke Russert and he asked Tara a few questions and she went all Sarah P on, rambling, long winded answers....I can't take a might ask me another I'll just keep talking the same old gibberish......isn't it time for a I'll just keep talking, where are the jobs, where are the's time for a change....Mitt knows how to create jobs....Obamacare cuts to divide Americans....I'm not here to talk about specifics....where are the jobs....yadda, yadda, yadda.

      I can't do justice to the inane answers she gave to simple questions or her poor communication skills in delivering the 'talking point's ' of the day.

      And she's the Romney Senior Communication Advisor? Yikes. I wonder if she's the one that coined 'retroactive retirement'?

      "I'd like to find your inner child and kick it's little ass." -Don Henely

      by Olkate on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 03:07:39 PM PDT

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  •  Walkback in 5, 4, 3, 2.... (5+ / 0-)
  •  Maybe he has an Afghanistan policy, but (11+ / 0-)

    You people can't see it.

    So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard -6.88, -5.33

    by illinifan17 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 02:43:41 PM PDT

    •  The trees are too tall here. Not the right height. (3+ / 0-)
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      Avilyn, Matt Z, marina

      They're hiding his policies. As well as his humanity.

      Ho'oponopono. To make things right; restore harmony; heal.

      by earicicle on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 02:48:29 PM PDT

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    •  Obama should start being tough on this as well. (2+ / 0-)
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      PorridgeGun, elwior

      Declare that Rmoney doesn't have a plan, and let Rmoney come up with one, on paper, that's longer than 4 pages and then we'll have something to discuss.  Or ridicule.  But at least discuss.

      Until Rmoney comes up with actual plans that could be used to create legislation or policy, not just being against whatever Obama proposes or did, he should be treated with ridicule.  Obama should point out that Republicans are not serious about government and getting things done because they're only about repealing everything done in the last four years and not replacing it with anything other than new tax cuts.

      Then again, maybe that's for August during the convention and the rest of the months up through the election.

    •  So many questions (1+ / 0-)
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      You people have seen all you need to understand his Afghanistan policy.

    •  We've given you people all the policy information (3+ / 0-)
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      Says Who, annieli, kurious

      you're going to get!

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 06:58:14 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, his Afghanistan policy's somewhere... (0+ / 0-)

      ...beneath his tax returns, and he's told us people all we need to know about it already.

  •  Say what?! (14+ / 0-)
    Unfortunately it’s disappointing that the attacks, these recent attacks on all these issues outside of what the issues are relative to Mitt Romney are diverting away from what real Americans want to talk about.
    Pardon me for just a moment, but...


    Ok, you know, typing in all caps on an iPad while riding a train is not really easy, so I'll switch back to normal mode now.

    Who the fuck hired Sarah Palin as a Romney spokesperson? And can we give that person an "amen brother" and a raise?

    Where did they find these people? Did they outsource the campaign to India?

    Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them - Thomas Jefferson 30 July, 1816

    by Roiling Snake Ball on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 02:45:02 PM PDT

  •  Jesus Christ on a pogo stick!! Two (8+ / 0-)

    in one day. First, Lady Ann deigns to tell the peons what she and her husband will and will not do. Then, this toady comes out of the woodwork to let us know that "real Americans" don't care about our men and women in uniform.

    Move along, folks, NOTHING to see here.

    We really have gone through the looking glass....

  •  "the issues relative to Mitt Romney..." (7+ / 0-)

    Um, ma'am, we're like, you know, at war?

    He's, like, running for president? Like, you know, commander-in-chief of the armed forces? Ring a bell?

  •  You know, Mitt (2+ / 0-)
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    OhioNatureMom, elwior

    I don't think you people are real Americans.

  •  sigh. points to my diary on same subject... (5+ / 0-)

    From an hour ago.

    I know, I know...Joan's a front pager, has a great  pic and is a better writer but still....

    Was a cold and dark December when the banks became cathedrals...

    by althea in il on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 02:56:37 PM PDT

  •  So, what kind of Americans are (4+ / 0-)
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    marina, RichM, Aquarius40, elwior

    fighting and dying in Afghanistan?  What kind of Americans are missing and/or mourning the not-real Americans who fight our wars?

    -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

    by luckylizard on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 02:59:24 PM PDT

  •  who are the real Kolobians and have they fought (0+ / 0-)

    for the freedom of this nation instead of coming to my door as pairs of clean-shaven boys, dressed in ties and denying the Holy Trinity.

    Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 03:00:56 PM PDT

  •  Unbelievable (4+ / 0-)

    I just can't believe it. Does Mitt Romney and his campaign really think our men and women in uniform who are or have served in Afghanistan not "real Americans?" There may not necessarily be an impact in the polls yet, but the more these missteps, misstatements, and poor decision making by the Romney campaign keep going, the more it's going to severely bloody the candidate as the GOP convention nears. At this point, am I hearing lots of howls coming from top Republicans calling on Mitt to pull out of the race as his political freefall continues???? I never thought it would be possible, but at this rate, he may be irreparably damaged goods even before he steps into the Tampa Bay Times Forum to accept his party's nomination (I think that's the name of the arena where the GOP will meet).

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

    by alaprst on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 03:08:40 PM PDT

  •  It's The Economy, Stupid..... (3+ / 0-)
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    ColoTim, Aquarius40, elwior

    They've had their marching orders.  Bring everything back to the economy.  Mitt can only keep one thing in his mind at a time anyway.

    Especially since Mitt doesn't know anything about foreign policy, the environment, education, the budget, the debt, congress or how to get out of Afghanistan.  Mitt thinks Russia is our biggest geopolitical foe, anyway.  

    Real Americans don't care about:  healthcare, education, the environment or 11 years of war.

    Mitt's a bozo & a freaking liar.  His wife is an elite snob.  And.....we're all screwed if these hideous people make it into the WH.  

  •  One More Time (3+ / 0-)
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    Not just Afghanistan, but those sent!!!!

    The new 'magnetic ribbons' the 'parades', same results, but 'parades' only last a few hours on one day! Think 'Desert Storm' and 'Gulf War Syndrome', Ignored, after the 'Parades'! Have the ceremonies, wave those flags, but one word should be on everyone's minds especially any speaking at, especially politicians, 'Sacrifice', you owe it!

    No Revenues {especially private capital investments for economic growth, free market capitalism, not being followed} = Still No Sacrifice = That's Called 'Support' For The Troops = DeJa-Vu all over again!!

    Now a decade and counting, told to go shopping, use patriotic meme's and symbols of support and wave them flags, added to the previous decades of under funding the VA, while the peoples reps Still try and lay blame on the Agency, after rubber stamping wars and costs of and those represented cheer on these wars!

    While the wealthy and other investors garner their booty, still, from both and many have the chutz·pa to call themselves more patriotic{?} then others wrapped in those false flags, using false slogans and various cheap symbols of and then seek one day events or parades to wave all that patriotism, call it "Supporting the Troops", then go home and either ignore or forget about those that actually sacrificed for the country!

    And add this which I have on a post at my site for this: VA to Expand Health Care Service by Opening 13 New Community-Based Outpatient Clinics
    Note especially to brother and sister Veterans: And especially those who don't pay attention to what has been going on the past few years, citizens as well. All that's been happening related in the VA, still way underfunded, will cease and we'll be back to the bush style years especially if more tepubs reps are added to the mix, with or without a romney at the helm but especially with. The obstruction won't be there, won't be needed by them, but huge cutbacks will be, and I'll bet that much that's been done will be stripped away!!
    USN All Shore '67-'71 GMG3 Vietnam In Country  '70-'71

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 03:24:37 PM PDT

    •  I'd Like To Know (1+ / 0-)
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      How much the mittens and her highness, his wife, raked in on their investments into these wars, and you can bet they invested heavily as these were the industries reaping the past decade plus!!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 03:28:43 PM PDT

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  •  This is an A + B = C thing, boilerplate campaign (1+ / 0-)
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    answer from the Romney people.

    A could be any number of stock, pat soundbites about Obama or Obama policies:  no jobs, foreign, not a real American, Obama failure

    B is deflecting away from anything the Romney people think they're weak on

    C is the rhetorical assertion that when you put A and B together, you have given a sound, reasonable response.    

    Voila!  A response from the Romney campaign.

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 03:26:40 PM PDT

  •  My son (4+ / 0-)
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    And his fiancé are in the military, both could end up in Afghanistan, yes I care about Afghanistan, I am a real America, my son is a real American, his fiancé is a real American.  Many who are now in the military have joined because there are few jobs, a result of the policies of the GOP, and now they want to ignore those who serve?  

    Am beyond mad right now, have tears in my eyes am so upset.

  •  Tara Wall been hanging (1+ / 0-)
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    Around with Mrs. Pre-Nominee a bit much, ya think? Unless this is some sort of another lurching, fumbling Sununu attempt to paint the other side as non-American. That would be an interesting meme to run on. Do you think we'll all have to show our long form birth certificates?

  •  Funny, isn't that how George Dumya Bush felt too? (2+ / 0-)
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    drmah, elwior

    While not all republicans are bigots, all bigots are republicans.

    by Maximilien Robespierre on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 04:32:36 PM PDT

  •  Okay, are we sure Romney & Co. aren't plants? (0+ / 0-)

    And I don't mean begonias.  They are saying the stupidest, most insensitive things.  I mean, even Dubya wasn't this dickish in 2000.  (Cheney might have been; time wounds all heels.)

    I mean, is Dr. Horrible out there, controlling the RomneyBot and the Bot's various minions, making them say things that are guaranteed to piss people off?  Because even I can't believe the rampant idiocy of his entire campaign.

    Tom Smith Online
    I want a leader who shoots for the moon. The last time we had one, we got to the moon.

    by filkertom on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 05:10:49 PM PDT

  •  not talking about it is a recipe for forever war (1+ / 0-)
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    I suppose this is progress in the sense that Afghanistan is not important to the presumptive Republican candidate, so if anyone cared to take advantage of it, they'd have room to argue for a prompt withdrawal and redirecting that $16 billion per month to something that actually does Americans some good - like expanding social services, infrastructure programs, etc., or even to pay for tax cuts.

    I'd still like to hear from Obama that we're not actually going to stay there forever because Afghanistan is the "good war" or something.

    To those who say the New Deal didn't work: WWII was also government spending

    by Visceral on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 05:23:12 PM PDT

  •  Romney has no foreign experience AND (2+ / 0-)
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    drmah, elwior

    unlike Hawaii, Afghanistan is a foreign country.  Hmmm ...that's where our ongoing war is.  I think this is where I mention something about switching horses.

  •  May the gods that be, teach you a lesson. (5+ / 0-)
    All those troops in Afghanistan aren't "real Americans"? How about all their family members back home, waiting and praying that they'll return home safely? Are they "real Americans"? Apparently in Romneyland, they're just distractions.
    Believe me, as a mother whose son is about to make his second trip into George Bush's wars to deploy to  Afghanistan, after completing a trip to Iraq barely 3 years ago, you have my undying distain.

    My son is one of "those people", who lays his life on the line for his country, while Romney's sons lay their lives on the line for their dad's campaign and their Morman religion.

    Don't get anywhere near me.  I might spit on you.  

    •  I saw that segment this a.m. (1+ / 0-)
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      (wherein Luke proved he is NOT ready for prime time) nevertheless, speed-talker Tara Wall was confounded by Luke's question. zip-nada. I doubt she knows Afghanistan from Iraq.

      She hadn't been cued, hadn't been scripted. That was not why she was was NOT an interview. They sent a scripted messenger to talk about Obama's victimization of mittens. Period.

      IOW, "ms wall isn't taking questions any time in the foreseeable future"

      "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

      by Sybil Liberty on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 05:55:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Romney means militay service dosn't matter unless (1+ / 0-)
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    it's your son our daughter in uniform. Otherwisw, "tO HELL WITH THEM."

  •  The phrase "real Americans" is a head scratcher. (0+ / 0-)

    Real Americans?  Come on now!  We're all Americans.  We're no better and no worse than the American standing next to us.  Real Americans?  What are you trying to say?  That some Americans are better?  Better how?  By their bank account? Their color?  Their religion?  Their values?  Are you really trying to divide us into some sort of class?  Talk about class warfare.  The phrase "real Americans" is as un-American and un-patriotic as offshoring American jobs, Swiss bank accounts and tax dodging tax shelters.  Speaking of which where is Mittens' tax returns?  When is he going to give us a complete copy of the 2010 tax return?

  •  Can we get "real"? (1+ / 0-)
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    Here we go again -- Romney or one of his surrogates publicly infers that some Americans are inherently more American than are others, and that real Americans are exclusively those that support his candidacy.

    Unlike many self-righteous conservatives, progressives do not believe that some political parties and regions of the nation are more "pro-America" than are others, and we do not wrap ourselves in the flag and indignantly proclaim that patriotism is an attribute exclusive to those who share our ideologies.

    Let us pause now for a moment of SCIENCE

    by labman57 on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 08:50:17 PM PDT

  •  Between Mrs. Romney's (2+ / 0-)
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    jm214, pademocrat

    "You people" moment and this...they have insulted every American citizen on the planet...

    "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~ Edward Abby

    by SaraBeth on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 04:13:51 AM PDT

  •  Tara Wall (0+ / 0-)

    whoever he or she is is a Fuckwad for even mouthing that bunch of B.S.

    Even though I am disappointed at some of his actions, I am thankful every day that Barack Obama is President and not George Bush and certainly not John McCain.

    by gritsngumbo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 06:39:39 PM PDT

  •  As an Army veteran this really pisses (3+ / 0-)
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    me off.  Here is a list of republican chickenhawks
    that all have a serious back disorder: there is a yellow stripe running right down the middle, with the biggest coward being rushbo, the drug addicted draft dodger:

    2012 US Presidential Candidates:
     Rick Perry:  Captain, Pilot, USAF
     Mitt Romney: Did not serve; Mormon missionary
     Ron Paul:  Captain, USAF
     Newt Gingrich: Did not serve
     Michelle Bachmann:  Did not serve
     Herman Caine: Did not serve
     Rick Santorum:  Did not serve, past Member of US Senate Armed Services Committee
     John Huntsman:  Did not serve
     Gary Johnston:  Did not serve
     Buddy Roemer: Did not serve

    Other Republicans with Notable service records:
     Ronald Reagan:  Army Reserves, served in WWII making movies
     George H.W. Bush:  Lt., US. Navy, Pilot
     Spencer Abraham: Did not serve
     Eliot Abrams: Did not serve
     John Ashcroft: Did not serve
     Roy Blunt: Did not serve
     Michael Bloomberg: Did not serve  
     George W. Bush: Texas Air Nat. Guard; AWOL
     Jeb Bush: Did not serve
     Saxby Chambliss: Did not serve. (Attacked Triple Amputee Max Cleland's patriotism during 2006 Senate Campaign)
     Dick Cheney: Did not serve - 5 Student Deferments
     Christopher Cox: Did not serve
     Tom DeLay: Did not serve  
     Bob Dornan: Enlisted after fighting was over in Korea
     John Engler: Did not serve
     Douglas Feith: Did not serve
     Bill Frist: Did not serve
     Rudy Giuliani: Did not serve
     Lindsey Graham: National Guard attorney
     Phil Gramm: Did not serve
     Dennis Hastert: Did not serve
     Tim Hutchison: Did not serve
     Jack Kemp: Did not serve. ("Knee problem," Played NFL football for 8 years)
     Jon Kyl: Did not serve
     Trent Lott: Did not serve
     Mitch McConnell: Did not serve
     John McHugh: Did not serve
     George Pataki: Did not serve
     Richard Perle: Did not serve
     Dan Quayle: Indiana National Guard Journalism unit  
     Tom Ridge: Army Staff Sgt. in Vietnam, Bronze star
     Dana Rohrabacher: Did not serve
     Karl Rove: Did not serve
     Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base
     Richard Shelby: Did not serve
     Peter Roskam:  Did not serve
     JC Watts: Did not serve
     Vin Weber: Did not serve
     Paul Wolfowitz: Did not serve
     Rush Limbaugh: Medical Deferment (Anal Cyst - a Real Pain in the A$$)
    Eric Cantor - Did not Serve
    Paul Ryan - Did not Serve
    Scott Walker - Did not Serve

    "It took us a couple of days because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." President Barack Obama 3/24/09

    by sfcouple on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 06:40:38 PM PDT

  •  I don't understand (1+ / 0-)
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    isn't this how we got convinced to vote for George W.

  •  It's BS that "our troops" "care about the mission" (0+ / 0-)

    in Afghanistan. "Our Troops" are doing what "my fellow troops" did in the Vietnam thing: Trying to stay alive to get home, despite the idiocies of the High Command. And occasionally going out to kill some Hajjis.

    There is NO "mission" in Afghanistan, other than converting a huge amount of badly needed American wealth into the rust and dust that has choked every other empire that has been stupid enough to think they could "defeat," to "win great victories," to "succeed," against the tribes and the terrain of that part of the planet.

    Even the endless re-casting and re-definition of "the mission" by all those highly-educated, MILbabble-spouting Brass Hats has not been able to more than kick the can containing our camo-clad helmet-cam'ed kids and other family members down the rutted roads, for what we so disingenuously call "the Taliban" to trigger IEDs and shoot their RPGs and ancient .303 Enfields and AKs at.

    "Thank you for your service, and we hope you can afford your own health insurance when you get home," say the Red shitheads who suckered us into this in the first place. "We need the VA money to cover more tax cuts for the Job Creators who do not give a shit that you are unemployed and damaged and lost." Too bad there are no consequences, no missing limbs or mental problems, for any of the War Wimps and Chicken Hawks...

    "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

    by jm214 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 06:48:40 PM PDT

  •  US Troops in Afg. Are Not Real Americans (0+ / 0-)

    This is what Mitt Romney is saying.

    Since when did extreme right wing Mormon conservative corporatists think they are the only real Americans?

  •  You are doing one helluva job tonight, Joan. (0+ / 0-)

    Standing Ovation here.

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 06:54:37 PM PDT

  •  These Real Americans cared... (1+ / 0-)
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    Says Who

    about Afghanistan.

    Yet, the man who thinks he's entitled to be the commander-in-chief doesn't even want to acknowledge them, because he has "more important" things to talk about?  

    Just when I don't think Romney could possibly be any more repugnant than he already is--he manages to be even more offensive and clueless.

  •  Romney to the voters: (1+ / 0-)
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    Tell me what you want to hear.  I'll say it.  Just don't ask questions.

    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 07:14:57 PM PDT

  •  You know- for this to be America our politicians (0+ / 0-)

    on the right sure do talk about how true Scotsmen do and do not like.

    Logical fallacies abound.

    Democracy is often an indictment of the voting populace.

    by electricgrendel on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 07:15:39 PM PDT

  •  Rob Diamond said it beautifully. (0+ / 0-)

    The mask of patriotism can't hide an absence of message long. Let the real Romney (s) come to light.


  •  So let's scrap the Secretary of State (0+ / 0-)

    After all, those other countries aren't the things that concern us!  

    I wonder how Romney views an American soldiers life?

    In votes?

  •  How would Mitt know about the thoughts (0+ / 0-)

    of real Americans?  

    Would he climb down from his gold-plated throne to even ask one? ;)

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

    by politicalceci on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:04:18 PM PDT

  •  I bet those American Soldiers there (0+ / 0-)

    beg to differ.

    But maybe non-soldier Romney do not think our active duty military are Americans?

    Just asking.....

    "Proud to proclaim: I am a Bleeding Heart Liberal"

    by sara seattle on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:24:59 PM PDT

  •  It's not just that "real Americans" don't give (0+ / 0-)

    a flying flip about Afghanistan. Most Americans - hell, a huge Majority of Americans - don't give a flying flip about Afghanistan. Why should they care? They don't have a dime invested nor drop of blood invested. That we're still there doesn't affect their life in any real sense or in any real way whatsoever. And, i bet if polled, most "real Americans" would answer that they believed we had won the war in Afghanistan years ago. During Bush 43. Americans are clueless becuz American Journailsm no longer exists. Exactly the way the One Percenters want us: just barely smart enough to run the machines. Barely.

  •  Ann said it's our turn, (0+ / 0-)

    so just let me get in the White House and I'll figure it out as I go along. I'm a rich guy. How hard could it be to be president?My friends in Congress only want someone to sign the legislation anyway.
    Dick Cheney and Dan Senor will help me with the foreign policy stuff.

  •  Romney would ride over all of us. (0+ / 0-)

    That's the policy.  Nothing to see here, move along.

    •  A national guard team just left for afgan (0+ / 0-)

      from Iowa today , I guess they are not real americans , the dems need to hammer the gop on this subject , as in congress reps that get a pass in the gop do nothing u s house

      That standard line on THE ECONOMY AND JOBS has taken a beating already, and it is only july , hopefully it will be crushed by next month

      Our darlings in the msm need to just ask what romney will do different than g w bush on the economy , and that line of repeated crapo will fall like the house of cards it is , romney and his banker pals could care less about workers wages , or if they have a job or not, they are a card board cut out on the subject , and should be exposed as such

      The shallowness of the romney team is growing more apparent thankfully , they have no REAL answers to give , because they have none , they just want to be praised as kings , who would do none of the real hard work of governing or leading

  •  Diversion??? (0+ / 0-)

    Did he just insult everyone connected to the military by saying they aren't "real" Americans?  Did he really just say our soldiers deaths are diversions from what we really care about?

    Some days, I think this man is just Rick Perry with a more polished upbringing.

  •  R-MONEY's plans are ALL "Ask me after Nov. 6th" (0+ / 0-)

    He doesn't want to go on the record for anything.

    All he wants to say is "Obama BAD. Me GOOD."

    "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." -- Patrick Henry

    by BornDuringWWII on Sat Jul 21, 2012 at 07:04:48 AM PDT

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