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From the Guardian we have:

Syrian regime issues 48-hour deadline to Damascus rebels
Luke Harding in Beirut, Martin Chulov and Julian Borger   
Thursday 19 July 2012 15.13 EDT

The Syrian military gave residents 48 hours to leave the parts of Damascus now held by rebel forces as it prepared a counterattack aimed at retaking control of its power base and pushing back four days of dramatic rebel gains.

And from the Telegraph we have:
Fears grow Syria will use chemical weapons stockpile
By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
9:33PM BST 19 Jul 2012

British military intelligence chiefs told The Daily Telegraph there was a "high probability" of the Assad regime resorting to chemical agents following the assassination of three senior Syrian military figures in a bomb attack on Wednesday.

A source said that the killings amounted to a "red line crossed" for the regime and that a chemical attack could come "soon" as a result. "The threat is genuine," the source added.

Syria has one of the largest stockpiles in the Middle East, including nerve agents, sarin, anthrax and mustard gas. With the Assad regime teetering on the brink, Western powers have expressed concern that it might be tempted to unleash these weapons.

So you put these two breaking news stories together and you have to wonder: Did that 48 hour notice start a count down clock on the worst chemical attack since Saddam Hussein killed 5,000 Kurds in 1988?

Just concerned.

Many new defects yesterday. Here is a sampling:

                            Major Muntassa Khalid defected & joined the FSA in Lattakia

                            Defection: Formation of the FSA "Hamza bin Abdul Muttalib"

                            Captain Abdullah Zali defected and joined the FSA in Rastan

                           Colonel Abdul Basset Muhammad defected and joined the FSA

                  Brigadier General Abdul-Karim Al-Ahmad defected and joined the FSA

WE also have this report from EAWorldView today:

Syria & Bahrain Live Coverage: 217 Die Amid Question, "Where's Bashar?"
Friday, July 20, 2012 at 6:05 | James Miller
Insurgents take over a post on the Turkish border on Thursday


1530 GMT: Syria. Damascus is burning - this live-stream, reportedly taken in Irbin, an eastern suburb (map), shows smoke rising above the skyline:

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Harasta (map):


Shooting and smoke on the streets of Harasta:


1523 GMT: Syria. So the extension of the UN mission in Syria is temporary.



No Rula, certainly nobody at EA sees any chance that the situation will magically improve in 30 days. But at least the observers will have a front-row seat for some serious fireworks.

1516 GMT: Syria. This just in...



As Scott Lucas just said to me, that's a big surprise. After all, what could the UN monitoring mission possibly accomplish, as most of the observers have been confined to hotel rooms for much of the last several weeks?

In the end, Scott Lucas had a single concise summary:

"The sideshow must go on."

1510 GMT: Bahrain. The opposition party AlWefaq has posted several pictures of today's protests:




Of course, as some activists are reporting, these things have a tendency to turn quickly in Bahrain:



1502 GMT: Syria. The LCCS death toll is rapidly rising. The latest count - 145:

26 in Damascus, 23 in Idlib, including 10 unidentified corpses,25 in Damascus Suburbs, 18 in Daraa, 16 in Deir Ezzor, 11 in Hama, 12 in Homs, and 14 in Aleppo.

1445 GMT: Syria. According to Syrian State TV, Hisham Ikhtiar, the national security chief, has died of wounds he received in Wednesday's bombing that left at least 3 other high-ranking regime officials dead.

1436 GMT: Syria. We posted video of a gun battle in the Sallah el Dine district of Aleppo (map, see update 1400). Now, we are receiving even more reports of heavy gunfights in central Aleppo.

We also are seeing videos like this, taken earlier today, showing large protests in the area.


1426 GMT: Syria. Dramatic images from the center of Damascus.


We believe that this video was taken not far from the police headquarters, right in the center of the city (map). This is not the only report of a violent disruption of protests there. The video below shows protesters shot in the street. Yet another, posted by the CFDPC, shows a graphic image of a young boy, probably 12 or 13, reportedly shot dead in the area.


1400 GMT: Syria. This would be nearly unthinkable video just a few weeks ago, but now it was almost expected:



Saleh el Dine (map) is at the heart of the peaceful protests in Aleppo, Syria's largest city, and a city that has been spared, thus far, this kind of scene. However, protests have been growing larger and larger for many months, and the regime crackdown against them has grown increasingly violent. Two weeks ago, scores were killed when the regime forces opened fire with snipers and heavy machine guns. Last week, for the first time, we saw Free Syrian Army fighters escorting the protests in response. Now, Aleppo may have taken its first steps towards a fate that is very familiar to the rest of the country.

1352 GMT: Syria. Yesterday may have been the bloodiest day yet in Syria. It was certainly in the top ten. But there are already reports that 99 people have been killed so far today:

26 martyrs in Damascus, 20 martyrs in [Idlib] including ten unidentifed bodies, 18 in Damascus suburbs, 18 martyrs in Daraa, 16 martyrs in Dair Ezzor, 11 martyrs in Hama and 10 martyrs in Homs.

The numbers speak for themselves - there is heavy violence in every corner of Syria. some of the violence is the result of battles between the FSA and the regime, but most of the reports we've seen today are of an older narrative - the regime firing on peaceful anti-government protesters.

It's sadly safe to say that this death toll will almost certainly rise.

1318 GMT: Syria. It's Friday. We're talking Syria. So we're focused on 3 narratives - the protests, the crackdown on the protests, and the continual fight between the Free Syrian Army and the regime. Let's start with a story that is a mix of protest and battle...

Yesterday, there were reports that Kurdish forces, independent from the Free Syrian Army, took the town of Kobani, and Kurdish forces working with the Free Syrian Army took or made significant gains in Afrin and Manbij, all towns in northern Aleppo province (map). Today, we have this video, reportedly showing the removal of the Assad governments flag and the raising of the Kurdish flag on the police station in Amouda, in Hassaka governorate (map), another sign that the Kurds are actively pursuing the control of many of these border towns.


It's also interesting that in these areas there have been almost now reports of actual violence, though there are reports of some fighting in Amouda before this video was taken. This suggests that the Kurdish elements are very strong, and the Assad government is no longer interesting in fighting in some of these rural areas away from major cities.

1313 GMT: Syria. James Miller takes over today's live coverage, with a big thanks to Scott Lucas for getting us to the afternoon.

Let's start with a very important update from our friends at The Guardian.

Syrian banks are reported to be running out of cash and a rush to find safe housing has caused rents in some places to spike to $100 per night, the UN refugee agency UNHCR said today.

The UNHCR's chief spokeswoman, Melissa Fleming, told a briefing in Geneva:

"We've heard reports that many of the banks have just run out of money.

"I just have a report from our staff that says state and private banks are reported to be out of funds. Whether this is all banks, I don't know.

"This is specifically relevant to the refugee population as reported but it's probably also affecting the Syrian population."

Why is this important? A bank run will definitely shake confidence in the regime. When confidence goes, defections will rise.

1205 GMT: Syria. Wladimir Van Wilgenburg offers a series of updates on his blog of developments in the Kurdish areas, including this video of residents of Kobani celebrating and defacing images of President Assad after the opposition took control of the town:

1133 GMT: Syria. Journalist Sander van Hoorn reports that President Assad was not at today's funeral of Minister of Defense Dawoud Rajha, who was killed in Wednesday's Damascus bomb. Van Hoorn adds these observations:

1123 GMT: Syria. A demonstration today in Tremseh in Hama Province --- last week, at least 103 people were slain in the town:

1116 GMT: Syria. Insurgents have said that they have withdrawn from the Midan section of Damascus after six days of fighting.

A local insurgent commander said Syrian forces, backed by armorred vehicles, moved into the district and took control of the market area. He said, "It is a tactical withdrawal. We are still in Damascus."

1108 GMT: Syria. AFP reports on Iraqis fleeing Syria amid violence and unrest:

"The situation there is so bad," said Khalid al-Jawadi, a 60-year-old retired teacher from Baghdad.

"There is fighting, gunfire -- it is a war there, everywhere. We escaped because we were very afraid of dying."

Standing near his wife and four children, Jawadi added: "I will never, ever, return to Syria."

An Iraqi Airways Captain said 750 Iraqis had been flown out of the Syrian capital since Thursday, with two more flights of evacuees expected Friday. Thousands of Iraqis have also crossed the land border into Iraq in the last 24 hours.

The United Nations refugee agency had expressed concern for the safety of 88,000 Iraqi refugees in Syria, after a family of seven was found shot dead in a Damascus apartment and three other Iraqis were killed by gunfire last week. A representatives thousands of refugees, mainly Iraqi, who have been living in the Damascus suburb of Saida Zainab --- where about 60 people were reportedly killed this week when a funeral procession was hit by a shell --- had fled their homes due to violence and "targeted threats".

1104 GMT: Syria. Residents of a village in Jabal al-Zuwiya, in the northwest, have held "free" local elections.

About 600 men voted in a school to select nine of 21 candidates for the "Local Revolutionary Council."

Only males were allowed to cast ballots.

A funeral for three victims, including a child, in Daraa Province:

0947 GMT: Syria. Turkish journalist Mehmet Aksakal tells The Guardian that regime forces have reclaimed the Bab al-Hawa border post (see 0859 GMT) on the Turkish frontier.

Aksakal anticipates, however, that the insurgents will again take the post, as the Assad military is spread so thinly in the area.

0938 GMT: Syria. Reports from Dutch journalist Sander van Hoorn an hour ago:

0930 GMT: Syria. Al-Manar TV, the outlet of Lebanon's Hezbollah, is reporting that Hisham Bekhtyar, the head of Syria's National Security Council, has died from injuries suffered in Wednesday's Damascus bomb.

0859 GMT: Syria. Insurgents have seized control of another border post, this one at Bab al-Hawa on the Turkish frontier, according to an AFP photographer at the scene.

About 150 insurgents held the post, opposite Turkey's Cilvegozu border crossing in Hatay Province, amid burnt-out trucks and the blood-stained, bullet-riddled building. Regime soldiers reportedly abandoned the site.

0850 GMT: Syria. A correspondent for Time magazine reports on the fighting in Saraqeb in Idlib Province, following news of Wednesday's bomb in Damascus that killed senior regime officials, that reportedly killed dozens of people:

“Is it real? Is it really almost over?” asked a young FSA [Free Syrian Army] fighter who took up arms a year ago. “I’m so sick of guns, bullets, bombs.”

He didn’t have to wait long for his answer. Later Wednesday night, just before 11 p.m., a rocket landed near the Brek family home, killing a little girl, her brother and her mother as well as her two aunts and another woman from her family.

Perhaps it was bravado, perhaps it was a sense that the regime was on the back foot, or perhaps it was just a desire to end a drawn-out conflict that had left townsfolk weary, and even little girls able to differentiate the sound of a sniper bullet from other forms of gunfire. Whatever the reason, the rebels of Saraqeb were determined to take out the Kaban Checkpoint on Thursday.

The first tank shell landed on the home of a regime supporter, eliciting smug reactions from many of the young men gathered outside an FSA outpost in one of the town’s schools. That turned into peals of laughter when one man drove the white fire truck up the street to put out a small fire near his own home. “He’s not from the fire department,” said Abu Ahmad. “It’s self service,” he said, using the English term.

Intense gunfire suddenly erupted. The thud of mortars pounded positions within the town. A helicopter circled overhead before unloading several rockets into a residential area called the northern neighborhood. The power and cell phone service was out, but an hour into the battle several young activists fired up a generator, hooked up an internet connection and called nearby FSA units via Skype asking for help.  â€œListen brother, the power is out here so the line might cut out. We need RPGs, two, three as many as you have. Brother, it’s a very difficult situation now, mortars, tanks and there’s a helicopter now too. Whoever can come, come.”

0845 GMT: Syria. State TV has proclaimed, "Our brave army forces have completely cleaned the area of Midan in Damascus of the remaining mercenary terrorists and have reestablished security."

0810 GMT: Syria. The People's Daily, linked to the Chinese Communist Party, has followed up Thursday's veto by China and Russia of a United Nations Security Council resolution with a pointed accusation, "Frankly speaking, Western countries attempted to push the United Nations to vote for the sanction resolution in order to get the green light for their military intervention."

After the vote on the resolution for sanctions, passed 11-2 but blocked by the vetoes, Russia's UN ambassador Vitaly Churkin said the resolution aimed to "open the path to the pressure of sanctions and further to external military involvement in Syrian domestic affairs".

0800 GMT: Syria. Journalist David Enders, who has been four times this year and most recently in June, comments on Democracy Now! about Wednesday's Damascus bomb and the latest fighting, "I think what we’re seeing is just the government crumbling under the weight of a massive rebellion. It simply can’t put it down."

Enders said of claims of foreign insurgents, including those linked to Al Qa'eda, leading the campaign, "The uprising is made up of Syrians who are fighting to topple their own government."

0755 GMT: Syria. A Turkish diplomat said a 21st Syrian general has crossed the border.

At least three generals have reportedly defected this week, amid hundreds of refugees leaving Syria.

0751 GMT: Syria. Claimed footage of the National Security Building, with white smoke rising from it, after Wednesday's bomb that killed senior members of the regime:

0635 GMT: Syria. The website of the Bahraini Police hails a successful visit by Minister of Interior Shaikh Rashid bin Abdullah Al Khalifa to the US, including discussions with CIA Director David Petraeus; FBI Director Robert Mueller; and Michael Posner, the Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor; Deputy National Security Advisor Denis McDonough; and senior members of Congress.

According to the website, the Minister of Interior highlighted Bahraini reforms which "led the way to a democratic approach....He stressed that the incidents in Bahrain were not internal matters since they received outside support to escalate them to the level of violence and vandalism".

Al Khalifa reportedly said, "We understand that security and civil peace cannot be achieved by force or through violence and terror but through respect for the law and loyalty to the nation in order to achieve justice. This is a sign of wise governance by HM the King."


The website exalts US acclaim for the message:

Gen. David Petraeus appreciated HM the King’s reforms and his wise decision to set up the BICI. He also hailed the police role towards extremists and in the discovery of explosives and thanked Bahrain for supporting the Coalition forces in Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, Robert Mueller highlighted the importance of Bahrain as a strong ally and friend of the US. He agreed with HE the Minister about the exaggerations by the media in their coverage of the events in Bahrain and expressed his readiness to cooperate in training and fighting terror and cyber crimes.

Michael Posner appreciated the Kingdom’s efforts towards international cooperation and its commitment to world conventions. He also expressed his understanding of what policemen were facing by way of threats and challenges due to the extremists’ activities and the nature of Bahrain's environment. He said the solution could only be a political one and hoped for the integration of all sections of society in police forces. He also appreciated the government efforts to implement the BICI report and the Ministry’s efforts to implement the police code of conduct.

0615 GMT: Syria. A source in Lebanon's General Security reports that at least 30,000 Syrians have crossed the border into the country in the last 48 hours.

Four lines of cars waiting to enter Lebanon were backed up for nearly a kilometre (0.6 mile) at Masnaa on Thursday afternoon.

The influx began Wednesday evening, hours after news of the bomb killing high-ranking members of the regime.

0515 GMT: Syria. On Thursday, a day after a bomb killed at least three top members of the regime, questions swirled about President Assad. The leading rumour, backed by activists and a Western diplomat, was that he had left Damascus --- before or after the bomb was unclear --- for the coastal city of Lattakia.

An Assad aide claimed that the President was still in the capital, leading a meeting on the response to Wednesday's attack. Later in the day, State media broadcast images of Assad attending the swearing-in of the new Minister of Defense, replacing a predecessor killed in the bombing.

Some still disputed the "live" appearance of Assad. This morning the website of the State news agency SANA offers no further information --- it is off-line.

Meanwhile, fighting continued across the country. Insurgents reportedly made significant advances in Aleppo Province, taking at least three towns, and seized posts on the Turkish and Iraqi borders.

The Local Coordination Committees of Syria said 217 people had been killed by security forces. The total included 70 deaths in Deir Ez Zor Province 40 in the Damascus suburbs, 33 in Idlib Province, 21 in Homs Province, 16 in Hama Province, 15 in Damascus, and 14 in Daraa Province.

Thousands of miles away, at a United Nations Security Council meeting, Russia and China were vetoing a resolution invoking "Chapter 7" sanctions over the use of deadly force against civilians.

The final vote was 11-2 in favour, with two abstentions.

The formation of a new militia by Druze in Quneitra, a village on the Syrian side of the Golan Heights.


Here are my related diaries on Syria:
BREAKING: I know where Syria's President Bashar al-Assad is!
BREAKING: Massive Fire near #Assad's Presidential Palace in #Damascus, #Syria
BREAKING: Is Syria's Bashar al-Assad dead or dying?
BREAKING: Damascus explosion kills Defense Minister, other key figures
The battle for Damascus is coming
BREAKING: General Strike in Damascus
BREAKING: Intense fighting reported in Damascus now!
BREAKING: Syrian defector spills beans as important new defection reported.
Does Syria's Assad have something on Kofi Annan?
Tremseh Massacre in Syria: What we know
BREAKING: ~227 reported massacred by Assad's forces in Tremseh, Syria today!
Syria: Is Assad regime on the verge of collapse?
BREAKING: Russian Warships reported in Syria
BREAKING: #Russia changing on #Assad but not as fast as conditions in #Syria
UN Observers say violence in Syria is ‘Unprecedented’
BREAKING: Defection of major Assad insider reported in Syria
BREAKING: WikiLeaks releases 2.4 million #Syria emails
When did "Never Again" become "Whenever?" | #Douma
BREAKING: Incredible mass rally in Aleppo, Syria today!
BREAKING: HRW releases torture report on Syria
BREAKING: Syrian General defects with 293 to Turkey
BREAKING: Items not in the MSM on Syria
My response to Phyllis Bennis: Where is the non-violent opposition in Syria?
BREAKING: Syrian Air Force attacks Douma, 10m from Damascus, thousands flee
BREAKING: As Syria Burns, UN Blows More Smoke
BREAKING: Kofi Annan to propose Syrian unity gov't sans Assad!
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BREAKING: #NATO says No War in #Syria shoot down of #Turkey jet
NATO meetup tomorrow as more defect from Syria
BREAKING: Turkey calls for NATO consult on downing of jet by Syria
BREAKING: Senior Syrian Officers Defect
UPDATED: Russia reported to be preparing to evacuate from Syria
BREAKING: Syria fighter pilot defects
BREAKING: Britain stops Russian ship carrying attack helicopters for Syria
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  •  Tip Jar (6+ / 0-)

    Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

    by Clay Claiborne on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 07:26:07 AM PDT

  •  Looks like Assad is alive and not wounded. (2+ / 0-)
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    joe from Lowell, Clay Claiborne

    A chemical attack would be a real mistake by Assad for it might bring in other concerend nations.  

    I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

    by TomP on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 07:28:43 AM PDT

    •  That could be a bad development (1+ / 0-)
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      TomP

      It sounds like Israel is wanting to pre-emptively take out the chemical weapons, with the US cautioning against that, reminding them that they aren't popular over there.  If Israel were to get involved, it could be an excuse for the proxy war that we've been trying to avoid.

  •  Lets hope not.... (1+ / 0-)
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    Clay Claiborne

    I hear Odessa is lovely this time of year.

    "Fascism is attracting the dregs of humanity- people with a slovenly biography - sadists, mental freaks, traitors." - ILYA EHRENBURG

    by durrati on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 07:30:39 AM PDT

  •  When I read this Russia Today piece yesterday... (1+ / 0-)
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    TofG

    This one right here...

    Meanwhile, recently information surfaced about armed Syrian opposition planning a provocation with the use of chemical weapons. Reportedly, they have obtained chemical weapons from Libya and plan to use it against Syrian civilians, shifting the blame for the atrocity on the government forces.
    My thought was, "They're setting up a preemptive defense in case the Syrian regime launches a chemical attack."

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 07:36:35 AM PDT

    •  The Libya chemical weapons were secured .... (0+ / 0-)

      ... no way the Libyan government was going to let chemical weapons float around the country.

      "The Obama Administration has been an unmitigated disaster" - Osama Bin Laden

      by Explorer8939 on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 07:44:16 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The Libyan government does not have complete (1+ / 0-)
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        chipmo

        control of the country at this time. There are dozens of militias that act independent of the central government. Some of these militias have sent weapons and fighters to Syria.

        Libya: As Deadline Passes, Militias Still Hold Thousands
        Law Required Handover to Government Custody by July 12
        July 14, 2012

        (Tripoli) – The Libyan government should take immediate steps to assume custody of all of the roughly 5,000 detainees still held by militias. The Defense and Interior Ministries have not been able to rein in the well-armed militias or to convince them to hand over detainees to Libyan authorities. These detainees and the approximately 4,000 others already in state custody should be granted their full due process rights, Human Rights Watch said.
        ...
        The state security apparatus has so far been unable to confront the well-armed militias across Libya that continue to hold detainees. The authorities have also shown a lack of political will to challenge the armed groups that fought against Muammar Gaddafi, Human Rights Watch said. Both the Interior and Defense Ministries have shied away from using force. Law 38 is not clear on whether arbitrary detention is a criminal offense, nor is it clear on the possible consequences of holding people outside of the law.
        ...

        •  He didn't say they were secured by... (0+ / 0-)

          the new Libyan government.

          Have you ever watched Rachel Maddow's pieces about the American teams that travel around the world securing nuclear material?

          As for Libya, the need for the central government to extend its writ throughout the country is one of the many reasons why it was such good news that the elections were such a success.  The more legitimacy - genuine, democratic legitimacy - the government has, the better able it will be to maintain order.

          Art is the handmaid of human good.

          by joe from Lowell on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:37:04 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Alarmist? (0+ / 0-)

    I hope so!

    Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

    by Clay Claiborne on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 07:49:39 AM PDT

  •  I am sure we all hope they do not do this (1+ / 0-)
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    but the fear is understandable considering the actions thus far from the government against the citizens.

    I would hope the start of Ramadan will do something to help calm the violence, but I am not counting on it.

    Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

    by kimoconnor on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 07:51:42 AM PDT

  •  Don’t be duped by Western humanitarian rhetoric (1+ / 0-)
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    Claudius Bombarnac
    ‘Don’t be duped by Western humanitarian rhetoric on Syria’ – Russia's UN ambassador

    http://www.rt.com/...

    RT: Russia's decision to veto this latest resolution has caused consternation and widespread criticism of Moscow's stance – is Russia supporting the Assad regime?

    Vitaly Churkin: Of course not. It is all about what needs to be done in order to settle the crisis. Unfortunately, the strategy of our Western colleagues seems to be to try to whip up tensions in and around Syria at every opportunity. And this time they took the occasion of the need to extend the mandate of the monitoring mission in Syria and attached a number of unacceptable clauses to their draft resolution. So, we needed to veto together with China that unacceptable draft to allow Kofi Annan more space to work on the document which was adopted by foreign ministers of a number of countries of the so-called “action group”, which calls for setting up transitional national body and that requires of course the dialogue between various parties. So, in this context, to introduce a resolution which would only entail pressure and almost inevitable sanctions on the Syrian government did not look like a good idea to us at all and we blocked the decision, which in our view was counter-productive.

  •  There is no possible way Isreal could be that dumb (0+ / 0-)

    and preempt strike any chemical weapons. By default Russia would be required to respond to such an assault with defense assistance.

    --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

    by idbecrazyif on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:21:40 AM PDT

    •  My guess: Russia would do nothing. (1+ / 0-)
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      idbecrazyif

      Assad is finished. It's just a matter of time. Direct Russian help at this point will just poison any possible future relations with whoever takes over.

      In a year, they will still be selling Syria weapons. But Assad will be long gone.

      How many divisions does OWS have?

      by Diebold Hacker on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:43:31 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Why would Russia (1+ / 0-)
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      idbecrazyif

      "be required to respond" to such?  And what exactly could it plausibly supply that would make any difference?

      Poison gas use is considered a war crime.  I'm not sure Russia wants to go openly on record in support of war crime weaponry.  That would not make a whole lot of difference in the outcome in Syria and shoot their credibility in the next couple of such conflicts.  

      •  They wouldn't most likely but are called to (0+ / 0-)

        do to foreign relations and treaties between the two nations.

        But you are correct that most likely they would just sideline on the matter, posture and complain, and then do nothing. A lot like Libya.

        --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

        by idbecrazyif on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 10:49:45 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Last I heard (3+ / 0-)

    Saddam was going to nuke Cincinnati in 45 minutes.

    The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges. ~ Anatole France

    by ActivistGuy on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 08:26:22 AM PDT

    •  er...this is slightly more of a legitimate concern (2+ / 0-)
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      Cynical Copper, highacidity

      as in...a real one.  Will it happen?  Quite possibly not.  Could it?  Hell yes.  

      Calm down--we're not going to invade over it.

      •  No, it is not a legitimate concern. (1+ / 0-)
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        Claudius Bombarnac

        This is grade school political analysis and misinformation.

        Assad is well aware, far more aware than any of the gullible fish who swallow these stories from "anonymous intelligence sources", that using chemical weapons against the groups he is currently up against will serve as a carte blanche for NATO to invade.

        If Assad wanted to commit suicide, he would've done it long ago.

        No, he is not going to use chemical weapons.  The only point of those stories is to incite fear among regular people and to make the armchair analysts still reading their Dick And Jane's Realpolitik Primers feel engaged when the repeat this story as if it's some inside scoop.

        Obama 2012: For More Wars!

        by chipmo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 12:57:20 PM PDT

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        •  my 'grade school political analysis' is clearly no (0+ / 0-)

          match for your superior leisurely armchair speculation.

          He may, he may not.  It's not as if there isn't precedent in the area.  And NATO would still have a difficult time acting anyway, even if Assad were to resort to such a measure.

          I don't see much 'fear-mongering' going on besides the fact that Syrians are currently getting wiped out by the thousands and a bunch of speculation over what, if anything , can be done about it.

  •  As the US facilitates the supply of weapons (4+ / 0-)
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    and logistical support for the anti-regime rebels to topple the Assad government, Obama has the gall to say this:

    White House spokesman Jay Carney: “The Syrian government has a responsibility to safeguard its stockpiles of chemical weapons, and the international community will hold accountable any Syrian officials who fails to meet that obligation.”

    It's the same when the rebels attack and kill the police and burn down the police stations. If troops come in to restore order Assad is blamed for "attacking civilians". If troops don't, then Assad is blamed for not restoring order.

    BTW, I am no fan of Assad. Unlike the US government, I never did think Syria was a good destination for America's extensive rendition holiday program. How soon old buddies fall out of favor...

    •  What would opposition (1+ / 0-)
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      to Assad have to look like to be legitimate to you, Claudius?

      It's not the rebels gunning down unarmed demonstrators by the thousand.

      •  Show me where Assad was "gunning down (3+ / 0-)
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        unarmed demonstrators by the thousand".

        The first thing is to stop the mindless propaganda and look at the facts. There is brutality going on with both sides which only serves to escalate the violence. Without knowing the truth of what is going on, there will be no real solution (other than the one the propagandists are pushing for).

        Many demonstrations were not peaceful from the very start due to people within stirring up violence. Just think how the US government would have responded to the following. BTW, hundreds of people were pepper sprayed and arrested during OWS just for walking down the street.

        Syria: Seven Police Killed, Buildings Torched in Protests
        3/21/2011, 11:17 AM

        Seven police officers and at least four demonstrators in Syria have been killed in continuing violent clashes that erupted in the southern town of Daraa last Thursday.

        The clashes came amidst growing political tension in the Muslim nation, whose Presidents and many senior officials have always come from Syria's influential Shia Alawite minority, when twenty students were arrested for spray-painting anti-government graffiti on a wall.

        Arms and foreign fighters had been coming into the country right from day one according to several AlJazeera reporters who have resigned because AlJazeera refused to publish this information. (A total of six reporters have now resigned because of the politicized coverage..)
        Al Jazeera Journalist Explains Resignation over Syria and Bahrain Coverage

        HASHEM: Actually, you know, it was clear the protests started peacefully, but it seems that quickly it went into militarizing. Some external factors or factions wanted the resolution to be militarized and they wanted to face al-Assad's crackdown with weapons. And maybe this was bad for the revolution. Maybe if this revolution stayed peaceful it might have achieved a lot.

        But what happened is that—you know, I'm not sourcing or quoting; I just saw with my eyes, and it was in the beginning of the revolution, it was just, like, one month and a half from the revolution. And things were—you know, I was seeing a lot of weapons, people with RPGs, people with Kalashnikovs, you know, just crossing from the borders. And they were not one or two; they were a big number; they were just dominating the whole village that we were on the borders with. So, you know, the militarization of the revolution started early, and it may be those who were trying, maybe, to push and to—you know, they want al-Assad to fall as soon as possible. Those wanted to say that al-Assad is facing the peaceful crackdown with weapons, while the others on the revolution side are kind of peaceful people, are not holding weapons.

        What would opposition to Assad have to look like to be legitimate to you, Claudius?
        It's too late. The Saudi's and Qatar have already militarized the conflict to the point of no return. The MSM in the west has propagandized this conflict so much that few understand what really happened. Claiborne does not help with his one sided diaries. There is a large number of Syrians who did not want the protests to turn violent. The majority also do not want outside interference.
    •  "BTW, I am no fan of Assad" (1+ / 0-)
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      With enemies like you he doesn't need any friends.

      I haven't heard anybody blame Assad for not restoring order. Are you?

      Are you still looking to Assad to "Restore Order" and you tell us that you are no fan of Assad?

      Please get real!

      Let me be the first to say, that if I didn't want to see Assad go down with every fiber of my being, I wouldn't be spending so many beautiful summer days parked between a keyboard and screen.

      Why are you here?

      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 09:29:31 AM PDT

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      •  Just pointing out the hypocrisy from Clinton (1+ / 0-)
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        There is no way Assad can restore any semblance of order. Neither can NATO at this time.

        There is a saying that is very apropos at this time: "When you sow the wind, you will reap the whirlwind."

        If you think that with Assad gone, the country will settle down, you are sadly mistaken.

        There will be lots of score settling and power grabs going on between the various groups. Don't think for one minute the militant Islamist's are going to give up when they've lost so many and have come this close to obtaining real power.

        Why don't you use your diary to look at what the different groups within the opposition want and how they are doing?

        Meet Syria's Opposition

      •  You just can't help yourself, can you? (1+ / 0-)
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        How did you learn nothing from studying Vietnam about how the US manipulates information?  Were anti-Vietnam protesters all supporters of Ho Chi Minh?  Are all communists supporters of Stalin?  Why the fuck do you continually do this?  Can you simply address different points of views and different levels of skepticism without turning into a McCarthyite asshole?

        Have you researched the information I provided in this post in one of your other articles?
        http://www.dailykos.com/...
        If not, what the hell are you afraid of?

        Obama 2012: For More Wars!

        by chipmo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 01:08:30 PM PDT

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    •  Surrealler and surrealler n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    •  "Mr. Assad... (2+ / 0-)
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      Have you stopped plotting to use chemical weapons against your people?  And have you stopped beating your wife?  YES OR NO PLEASE."

      Obama 2012: For More Wars!

      by chipmo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 01:00:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  For some balance in this diary (2+ / 0-)
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    Not Everyone Hates Syrian President Bashar al-Assad
     Posted: July 20, 2012, 1:59 p.m. ET

    ARIHA, Syria - They aren't much talked about. And they are rarely talked to. But supporters of the Syrian government exist.

    While President Bashar al-Assad's hold on power appears to be tenuous after rebels landed a fatal blow on his inner circle Wednesday, there are many families across the country that continue to support him and his administration.
    ...
    But their opinions vary. The mother and daughters felt strongly that the rebels are to blame for the worst atrocities so far committed in Syria. The father blames both sides. And as for the son, he joined the revolution from the beginning and still participates regularly in protests.

    He said his outspoken sisters are persuasive.

    "From the first day, this revolution was violent," said the oldest sister. She went on to describe the stone-throwing, destruction of public property and the physical violence against police that were prevalent during the very first protests last year.

    She said her brother asked one boy early on why he destroyed the town's only ATM machine, through which the majority of the city's workers accessed their wages. The boy replied, "It belongs to the government, doesn't it?"

    "These are revolutionaries!" she said cynically.

    The family said they had felt safe in Ariha when the army controlled the streets. While the opposition says army checkpoints were used to arrest the innocent, the family said the soldiers were friendly and their presence proved that the government was doing its best to maintain security.

    The checkpoints are now manned by "5th graders with guns," said the oldest sister, referring to the rebels.
    ...
    Their mother added the account of a shopkeeper who had been caught in the crossfire of government and rebel clashes and was accidentally shot by the rebels themselves. He was buried the following day as a celebrated martyr.

    "He was with them and they shot him by accident. How can they call him a martyr?" she asked. "They seem to think they can hand out passes for righteousness."

    As the regime continues to crumble, it is hard to believe there is any way Assad could remain in power. But families like these exist all over the country, and they are not fooled by propaganda from either side.

    "I am not going to try to tell you about what is happening in another place like Homs or Damascus, although I have many friends that have told me what is really happening," said the oldest girl, when asked about the reports of government massacres. "I am talking to you only about my town and what I have seen with my own eyes."

  •  so what? not everyone hated Hitler, Stalin, (0+ / 0-)

    Pol Pot, Mao, Niyazov, Karimov, Ivan IV, Edi Amin, or Saddam Hussein either.

    But they were/are still madmen.

    •  Around 30% of the population (0+ / 0-)

      is the usual level of dedicated support for dictators.  Until it stops being profitable.

      Alawites plus Christians add up to 22% of the Syrian population.  Standing with a murderous dictator is not exactly a teaching of Jesus of Nazareth, as far as I know, but it's what the Syrian Christians are doing.  

      •  How many born again Christians stood with Bush (1+ / 0-)
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        in attacking Iraq. How many want the US to start a world war in the ME so they can get raptured?

        There are three (or more) times more Christians in the US than the entire population of Syria that do not follow the teachings of Jesus.

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