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As predicted by Joan McCarter Monday, the Democratic National Committee has confirmed that there will be an affirmative plank on marriage equality in the 2012 Democratic Party platform. The first openly gay Congressman to voluntarily announce he is gay, Rep. Barney Frank, wrote of the decision:
I want you to be one of the first to know: After a unanimous decision on Sunday, the drafting committee for the Democratic National Convention embraced marriage equality as part of our platform for the 2012 Convention.

The next step will be for the full platform committee to vote on it, after which it will be presented to the delegates at the Convention in Charlotte for a final vote. Make no mistake: This is a historic step toward fairness for all. Once again, Democrats are fighting to move this country forward. [...]

Now, it’s up to us to speak up for what he has called a simple proposition: that every single American deserves to be treated equally.

A new Pew poll, shows that 65 percent of Democrats now support marriage equality, up from 50 percent in 2008 and 40 percent in 2004.

As Rep. Frank said, now it's up to all of us to speak up for this basic civil right.

8:51 AM PT:
Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.), an openly gay member of Congress, predicted the platform plank won’t hurt Obama—because voters already know his position—or members of Congress up for reelection who are squeamish on the issue.

“If it’s not their position, then I don’t think that voters will take that into account,” Polis said. “Each candidate running for office, whether a Democrat or a Republican, has positions that they stand for. Sometimes those are in agreement with party platform, sometimes not.”

But Brian Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage, was less circumspect. Endorsing gay marriage, he said, will cost Democrats in elections up and down the ballot.

“They can kiss the presidential election, the House and now the Senate goodbye,” he said.

Originally posted to Meteor Blades on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:29 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  It needs to be framed as "marriage equality!" (32+ / 0-)

    Not as "gay marriage."  It's a civil rights issue.  The government has no business promoting anyone's theocratic agenda.  This is a secular government.  It was meant to be that way, it was created that way and it needs to function that way.

    I think that Republicanism is revealing itself as a personality disorder, not so much an ideology." -- Naomi Klein

    by AllanTBG on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:39:39 AM PDT

  •  Minor quibble... (6+ / 0-)

    Gerry Studds was the first openly gay Congressman. Barney Frank was the first to come out voluntarily.

    Just another faggity fag socialist fuckstick homosinner!

    by Ian S on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:40:01 AM PDT

  •  it's about damned time this plank was added (8+ / 0-)

    isn't this the very basis of the Democratic foundation--that ALL people are to be treated equally, fairly and with the dignity and respect that all people deserve

    •  No, actually. For some time now they (1+ / 0-)
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      have only supported that kind of thinking when the people have forced them to and only as to specifics. They'll take this or that small bite of the apple when they deem it more or less unavoidable, bot not more and not before.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:14:31 AM PDT

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      •  True, except (2+ / 0-)
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        ...that it's not "for some time", but "always have been and likely ever will be", IMHO.

        This is once again proof that direct action, popular struggle, and activism is how to get things done.

        The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

        by lotusmaglite on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 01:42:43 PM PDT

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  •  :-) (7+ / 0-)

    =ity!

    Many people thought Bush was "the kind of guy you wanted to have a beer with". People are beginning to realize that Romney is "the kind of guy you want to pour a beer on".

    by ontheleftcoast on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:43:07 AM PDT

  •  If Democrats evolve into a real reform party (6+ / 0-)

    .....It will kindle an American Spring.

    There are so many places where real reform is needed and such a real hunger in America  to drain the swamp.

    So many sacred cows to take down : Immigration, campaign finance,  climate change, assault weapon regulation, Wall Street reform, voter rights, and marriage equality are good places to start.

    Standing up to big money is so easy to make speeches about but so hard to do.  
    \

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:45:25 AM PDT

    •  I had thought climate change was on the platform (2+ / 0-)
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      is it not? Maybe I am wrong.   And I am thinking voting rights should be on there or was it on there back in the 60s and 70s and gone now? I have a strong feeling it will be back on the platform in light of so many states having these ridiculous , strict, unyielding,  voter ID laws?

      Follow PA Keystone Liberals on Twitter: @KeystoneLibs

      by wishingwell on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:49:18 AM PDT

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      •  You thought correctly: (2+ / 0-)
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        Lead to Combat Climate Change

        We will lead to defeat the epochal, man-made threat to the planet: climate change. Without dramatic changes, rising sea levels will flood coastal regions around the world. Warmer temperatures and declining rainfall will reduce crop yields, increasing conflict, famine, disease,and poverty. By 2050, famine could displace more than 250 million people worldwide. That means increased instability in some of the most volatile parts of the world.

        Never again will we sit on the sidelines, or stand in the way of collective action to tackle this global challenge. Getting our own house in order is only a first step. We will invest in efficient and clean technologies at home while using our assistance policies and export promotions to help developing countries preserve biodiversity, curb deforestation, and leapfrog the carbon-energy-intensive stage of development.

        We will reach out to the leaders of the biggest carbon emitting nations and ask them to join anew Global Energy Forum that will lay the foundation for the next generation of climate protocols. China has replaced America as the world’s largest emitter of greenhouse gases. Clean energy development must be a central focus in our relationships with major countries in Europe and Asia. We need a global response to climate change that includes binding and enforceable commitments to reducing emissions, especially for those that pollute the most: the United States, China, India, the European Union, and Russia.

        This challenge is massive, but rising to it will also bring new benefits to America. By 2050, global demand for low-carbon energy could create an annual market worth $500 billion. Meeting that demand would open new frontiers for American entrepreneurs and workers.

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:06:22 AM PDT

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  •  I have never been prouder to be a Democrat than (6+ / 0-)

    these last two years.  My biggest fear of Obama (vs Hillary) was that he was not committed to LGBT rights.   Now he's unequivocally a gay rights hero.  Best. President. We've. Ever. Had.   This is not just because of his support of same sex marriage, but rather because of his making it illegal to deny hospital visitation rights to domestic partners nationwide,  ending DAD-T, and now including us in the party platform.  

    (-6.25, -4.36) Just another socialist lesbian undermining the sanctity of marriage by breathing

    by Gertrude on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:48:11 AM PDT

  •  Hooray! (4+ / 0-)

    And:  Sixty Five percent of Democrats?  For equal rights?  What the hell, people?

    This one is a no brainer.  There are tangly issues out there to tackle, so I suggest the 35% of Democrats who aren't on board do a quick inventory and wake the hell up.  They are why we've waited so long for such a basic platform plank.

  •  I'll take this bet. (11+ / 0-)
    “They can kiss the presidential election, the House and now the Senate goodbye,” he said.
    Your bigoted way of life is circling the drain.  Good riddance.

    "I'm not scared of anyone or anything, Angie. Isn't that the way life should be?" Jack Hawksmoor

    by skyounkin on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 08:57:41 AM PDT

  •  Too bad platform planks mean absolutely nothing (1+ / 0-)
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    when it comes to actual policy.

    •  Untrue (5+ / 0-)

      However little they mean in practice, it's NEVER "nothing".  

      Lip service IS better than no service.  It lays a foundation.  It changes the conversation.  It normalizes concepts.  It's FOLLOWING every good idea is kind of a tall order -- acknowledging a good idea is where we begin.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:15:25 AM PDT

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      •  Empty words (1+ / 0-)
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        Lip service is easy. We get it all the time. It is also meaningless.

        I'm not saying this is a bad thing, but it is nothing to get excited over imo. Platform planks are where liberal ideas go to die.

        •  Could not disagree more. (2+ / 0-)
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          I am dead serious that lip service is NOT meaningless.  Words have power.

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:24:36 AM PDT

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          •  Well, we definitely disagree then (1+ / 0-)
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            To me lip service is nothing to get excited over.

          •  Words *can* have power, but they do not (1+ / 0-)
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            automatically have that power. Most Democrats can't tell you much of anything about the platform even at convention time, let alone the details and let alone after the elections are over.

            I've got a word writtin on the hutch above my desk. How powerful is it? Is is changing the world, the country, anybody but me? Nope. Words are like hammers, unless you pound away with them they accomplish and change nothing.

            That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

            by enhydra lutris on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:23:12 AM PDT

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            •  One reason this is the case, imo... (1+ / 0-)
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              ...is that it's too wordy. Each of the issues should be dealt with succinctly and written with the panache of, say, the Declaration of Independence, modern English version, of course. While these long paragraphs for nearly every issue cover a lot of ground, it's mostly a stolid piece of work and, as such, unmemorable. All that's in it can be included in one-fourth the number of words.

              Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

              by Meteor Blades on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 06:53:32 PM PDT

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          •  "First you say it, then you do it" (2+ / 0-)
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            yeah, it had a completely different meaning in the Bill Cosby routine, but it's true -- words do count, and in political settings talk gets a framework in place for actions.  

            Good news.  I'll take it.

            Comfort the afflicted. Afflict the comfortable.

            by FindingMyVoice on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:24:21 AM PDT

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        •  Not too many gay people find this meaningless. (1+ / 0-)
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          Maybe you're one of them, I don't know.

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:26:05 AM PDT

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      •  Shades of 1948 (look it up, kiddies) (4+ / 0-)
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        that plank was also belittled as "lip service" at the time.

        But it was the start of something that bore much fruit and eventually helped define the Democratic Party as the party of equality.

        anything that pisses off the other side has power, no matter how little it may mean to some people here.

        And since I referenced 1948, I would not be surprised if some DINOs end up walking out of the convention over this.

        "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
        Mitt Romney is not the solution. He's the PROBLEM

        by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:35:24 AM PDT

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      •  Very Well Put. Your Last Sentence Would Make An (1+ / 0-)
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        excellent sig. And to any detractor(s) of this comment: Words are NEVER empty. The phrase "empty words" is an oxymoron.

        Thanks to already-built-in anthropogenic climate change, our planet will only be able to sustain half a billion humans in 2100 AD. Human population will probably reach 9 billion in 2050 AD. Will your descendants be among the 'lucky' one-in-eighteen?

        by davidincleveland on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:51:03 AM PDT

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        •  And the word written above my monitor (0+ / 0-)

          is altering the universe in what way?

          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:24:57 AM PDT

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          •  You leave it posted there (0+ / 0-)

            so presumably it is doing something for YOU.

            "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

            by lgmcp on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 12:56:06 PM PDT

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            •  Actually, I just noticed what it was and (0+ / 0-)

              and tossed that post-it into the recycle can.

              That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

              by enhydra lutris on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 12:59:08 PM PDT

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              •  LOL I was picturing (0+ / 0-)

                a deeply meaningful mantra or affirmation.  

                "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

                by lgmcp on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 12:59:57 PM PDT

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                •  It was from long ago trip planning (1+ / 0-)
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                  sessions and said ROME = UT+1  (Universal Time coordinate)

                  That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

                  by enhydra lutris on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 01:02:07 PM PDT

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          •  Just because (2+ / 0-)
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            ...you fail to be motivated by words does not mean the words are meaningless.

            Adding marriage for everyone to the Democratic Party plank could reap very tangible benefits in the form of energized troops on the ground. People for whom this is a welcome development of great personal importance. People who might then be motivated to contribute when/where they weren't before, donating and/or volunteering.

            The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

            by lotusmaglite on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 02:00:57 PM PDT

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            •  That specific example does not (1+ / 0-)
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              generalise universally however. There is stuff already in the platform that those who are even aware it is there react to by making a wry face and saying "year, suuuure", as do those one tells about it.

              Words are not magik, though some forms of magik hold otherwise. Often they can have an impact, but it is not guaranteed.

              That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

              by enhydra lutris on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 02:06:33 PM PDT

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              •  Well, that's better (1+ / 0-)
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                ...than saying they mean nothing. Yes, we're forgetful and lazy, but adding marriage for all to the platform is happening now, so it's fresh and new and exciting, and I believe it will yield tangible results.

                You said in another comment that "words can have power, but they do not automatically have that power". I suppose in an instant-gratification kind of way, that's true. But if the past 30 years of right-wing lunacy has taught us anything, it's that words have great power. When it comes to economic policy, climate change, evolution, etc, all the GOP have is words, since all the evidence contradicts their positions - and yet, they've advanced their empty agenda on the power of hateful, ignorant, empty words alone.

                The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

                by lotusmaglite on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 02:22:41 PM PDT

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                •  Let me contrast a few trite old saws, and (2+ / 0-)
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                  tell a little story:

                  "Words have meaning." "Words have power" "The pen is mightier than the sword". All quite true, but compare to "Talk is cheap", "show me" and "Put up or shut up."

                  I've actually written some diaries (or maybe only one) on using our platform to try to sell the party, but cynically so - I'll use any tool but outright dishonesty if it works. (Some of the stuff, much of it in fact, is written to be all things to all people, easy to sell but vague enough that it can be ignored or talked around after the elections.)

                  Now - I work in an environmnt full of "kids" and know many. Obama is a good orator and rhetorician. In 2008 a lot of kids new to politics heard him and he was their JFK and some of his speeches were their "Ask not ..." moment. The spoken word, and the written for those who then looked up the platform (and some did) was a powerful motivator to action and they acted.

                  Many of them also found the follow-up to be feeble, half-hearted, possibly even cynical and they in turn became a tad cynical and disillusioned about any or all of politics, the party, Congress and even the President.  That showed in the 2010 mid-terms, a lot of them didn't act, and some didn't even vote. They have joined the "Talk is cheap" camp. They will keep one eyebrow raised until we really, visibly bust a gut to accomplish whatever it is that they have grabbed onto, repeal DOMA, pass the EFCA that was or the ENDA that was, and the ERA and on and on and on.

                  So, while it is very nice to have that in the platform as a putative goal, the test will be the extent to which we act on and implement it, the extent to which it actually is a goal and not just nice verbiage.

                  Here's from our platform:

                     Reclaiming Our Civil Rights & Liberties

                      We believe in the essential American ideal that we are not constrained by the circumstances of birth but can make of our lives what we will.

                      Unfortunately, for too many, that ideal is not a reality. We have more work to do. Democrats will fight to end discrimination based on race, sex, ethnicity, national origin, language, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, age, and disability in every corner of our country, because that's the America we believe in.

                      We all have to do our part to lift up this country, and that means changing hearts and changing minds, and making sure that every American is treated equally under the law. We will restore professionalism over partisanship at the Department of Justice, and staff the civil rights division with civil rights lawyers, not ideologues. We will restore vigorous federal enforcement of civil rights laws in order to provide every American an equal chance at employment, housing, health, contracts, and pay. We are committed to banning racial, ethnic, and religious profiling and requiring federal, state, and local enforcement agencies to take steps to eliminate the practice.

                      We are committed to ensuring full equality for women: we reaffirm our support for the Equal Rights Amendment, recommit to enforcing Title IX, and will urge passage of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women. We will pursue a unified foreign and domestic policy that promotes civil rights and human rights, for women and minorities, at home and abroad. We will pass the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act. We will restore and support the White House Initiative on Asian-American and Pacific Islanders, including enforcement on disaggregation of Census data. We will make the Census more culturally sensitive, including outreach, language assistance, and increased confidentiality protections to ensure accurate counting of the growing Latino and Asian American, and Pacific Islander populations, and continue working on efforts to be more inclusive. We will sign the U.N. Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities and restore the original intent of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

                  I take a good look at that in this diary.

                  This is part of what I said about it:

                  We not only need to enact and implement that, we need to expand, enhance, enlarge and substantially clarify it. Lets start with this bit: "end discrimination based on ..., sex, ... employment, housing, health, contracts, and pay."  Jobs, housing, blah, blah, blah.  Waitaminit! I'm a guy. If I don't get my ass thrown in the slammer or the looney bin, I control my body and make my own medical decisions. Can any woman really say that? What about choice? The fundamental right to control your body and your medical care. Maybe that is under health. It is now, 'cause I'm putting it there. Choice is now a plank in our platform, because women will never have equality without it. Got that? Does the party get that? Let's make sure that the party gets it and that they get another shot at starting to move the ball forward instead of backward. Hint: The Hyde Amendment ISN'T routine, start leaving it out, or at least fighting against it.
                  The fact is that the party doesn't get that, they don't want to get that and they won't move on it unless we come after them with pitchforks and torches. Hell, Obama included a version of the Stupak amendment in the ACA by executive order, just in case, by some miracle, we ever had a period without the Hyde Amendment, guaranteeing that women cannot ever be equal unless both 1) it is rescinded and 2) Hyde is not voted in.

                  So, yeah, throw it in there, but, really, "actions speak louder than words."

                  That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

                  by enhydra lutris on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 03:00:25 PM PDT

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                  •  These: (2+ / 0-)
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                    The fact is that the party doesn't get that, they don't want to get that and they won't move on it unless we come after them with pitchforks and torches.
                    So, yeah, throw it in there, but, really, "actions speak louder than words."
                    ...make your idea a lot clearer for me. Previous posts seemed to suggest something altogether different. Thanks for the elucidation. It's a little sad just how much in agreement most debaters are without knowing it. Possibly a consequence of our Twitter-length attention spans...

                    The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

                    by lotusmaglite on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 03:50:18 PM PDT

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                    •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
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                      It's a little sad just how much in agreement most debaters are without knowing it. Possibly a consequence of our Twitter-length attention spans...
                      Cocktail parties used to be great for witnessing that, don't participate, just watch. Hippie parties were better, because the cocktails, well, you know.

                      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

                      by enhydra lutris on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 05:52:21 PM PDT

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      •  Nah, we've ignored a lot of our platform (1+ / 0-)
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        over the past 4 years, and will do so over the next 4 decades, that is just the way it is. Not only that, but because we lack party discipline, many elected Democrats openly decry and scorn chunks of the platform.

        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

        by enhydra lutris on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 11:20:21 AM PDT

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    •  The actual policy has led the party platform (4+ / 0-)

      in this case.

      The admin stopped defending DOMA, and a legislative repeal has been introduce in Congress.

      •  Because they were staring at big electoral losses (1+ / 0-)
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        They had no problem defending DOMA prior to that realization. THAT is where the power is for change. Not in the platform.

        •  Not sure about them "staring (0+ / 0-)

          at big electoral losses." But I agree with the second part.

        •  They acted once the electoral tradeoffs (0+ / 0-)

          became within striking range of positive, yes.  That's how it's done.  You can't make progress on every issue at every moment -- but you don't neglect to seize the teachable moment.  

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:08:53 AM PDT

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          •  That isn't what I'm talking about at all (1+ / 0-)
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            I'm talking about prior to the 2010 elections. Before the DADT repeal they were not only ignoring these issues, they were still defending DOMA with disgusting language and strategies in the courts.

            The platform is just the platform. It has absolutely nothing to do with how our elected officials behave. If you want to impact that, you have to use sticks and carrots not a feel good platform that gets totally ignored once the election is over.

  •  good. (4+ / 0-)

    Brian Brown is disgusting, though.

    hater for  christ is what he is.

    pseudoscience can kill

    by terrypinder on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:02:05 AM PDT

  •  I'm amazed at this (0+ / 0-)

    Does this mean that this was not ever a part of the democratic platform?

    Really?

    The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

    by commonsensically on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:02:46 AM PDT

    •  I believe a general notion of GLBT rights (4+ / 0-)

      has showed up before, but not explicitly re marriage.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:16:16 AM PDT

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    •  this is the first time (1+ / 0-)
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      remember, this current groundswell of "let the gay people have some equality" is really quite brand new.

      pseudoscience can kill

      by terrypinder on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:17:45 AM PDT

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      •  Acceptance has been something of (3+ / 0-)

        a snowball rolling down a hill sort of thing. It just keeps gaining momentum and brings more and more people along as our national opinions and policies move forward faster and faster.

        I'm very impressed by how well the country has reacted to marriage equality and ending DADT and all the rest in the past couple of years. Or maybe its just that I live in the deep South and have learned to expect the worst.

        "She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984

        by aggressiveprogressive on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:37:36 AM PDT

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        •  Bill Maher said something I liked (1+ / 0-)
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          ...on this subject, in one of his "New Rules":

          Recently Victoria Jackson, the oldest surviving member of Saturday Night Live, said the show Glee is "shoving the gay thing down our throats." Now, besides being the first funny thing she's said in 25 years, that is true. They are shoving the gay thing down America's throat. And it turns out America got used to it surprisingly quickly.
          As Bill Hicks said (sarcastically, but it applies), "Put it on our TV, it's true!" Hollywood is due for a shout-out.

          The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

          by lotusmaglite on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 02:09:22 PM PDT

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  •  Hmm... we can "kiss the presidency" good bye... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...and we can also kiss Mitt Romney's ass. Of course, his is in a serious sling now. At least, he is experiencing a major brain dysfunction. Speaking today to some news outlet (can't remember which) he said that he had "not discussed Palestinian culture."

    Really?

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    Have fun, and let us know how that goes for you Senor Mitt.

  •  Gavel (7+ / 0-)

    Here in Virginia, the Chairman of the party borrowed a gavel I use to run my local Democratic meetings to run the state convention in April. Now, that convention had its problems, but I am incredibly proud that I own the gavel used to ratify Virginia's unanimous approval of the Marriage Equality plank in the Democratic platform at our Democratic convention.

    The state of Pat Robertson has a Democratic Party unanimously behind marriage equality. That is progress I am proud of, and change I believe in.

    Progress is a continuum, not a light switch. Visit Leesburg Tomorrow and Loudoun Progress.

    by Paradox13 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:07:52 AM PDT

  •  If NOM is so giddy with joy about this (3+ / 0-)
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    But Brian Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage, was less circumspect. Endorsing gay marriage, he said, will cost Democrats in elections up and down the ballot. ...“They can kiss the presidential election, the House and now the Senate goodbye,” he said.
    then it's kinda funny we haven't a word about it from their boy Mitt.  

    Seems to me that they're not quite so sure that this isn't going to HELP Obama.  Oh, I admit I was worried too, before the fact.  But at this point, I'm not seeing a net negative -- I'm seeing an energized base, and no NEW enemies.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:08:05 AM PDT

  •  Million Xtians Sign Petitions To Protect Marriage (4+ / 0-)

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    In the mid-19th century, the fiercely anti-Semitic völkisch movement appeared in Germany. One of the major demands of the various völkisch groups had been the disemancipation of German Jews and banning sexual relations between those considered to be of the “Semitic race” and those considered to be of the “Aryan race”. In 1881, a petition presented to the German government by the völkisch groups demanding Jewish disemancipation and the banning of marriage and sexual intercourse between “Aryans” and “Jews” had collected over a million signatures.
    One of the few actual laws passed by Nazi Germany was the Nuremberg Laws banning sex between Jews and Gentiles.  DOMA anyone?

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:08:26 AM PDT

  •  Definitely a BFD (4+ / 0-)

    I've never been prouder to be a Democrat than I am right now.

    Homosexuality is found in over 450 species. Homophobia is found in only one. Which one seems unnatural now?

    by Chrislove on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:10:44 AM PDT

  •  I heard this was a compromise (0+ / 0-)

    The more radical members wanted the male synchronized diving plank adopted....

    cheers

    "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." - President Merkin Muffley

    by Farkletoo on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:13:35 AM PDT

  •  Besides Oregon (1+ / 0-)
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    any other states where a mini-DOMA repeal effort might be feasible?

    •  In Iowa, it's defending marriage equality (1+ / 0-)
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      granted by court order. Republican candidates want a constitutional amendment re-instating the Iowa DOMA. The only thing stopping them was Mike Gronstal, Majority Leader of the Iowa Senate. Gronstal refused to let the proposed amendment come up for a vote.

      The Democrats only have a 26-24 majority in the state senate. If the Republicans get control in November, they may introduce their anti-equality constitutional amendment.

      •  Iowa's amendments... (1+ / 0-)
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        As far as I can tell, Iowa may be one of the tougher places to create a constitutional amendment. Has to pass both houses and then both houses again after an election and then goes to the populace. In other words, if we lose the State Senate in 2012, the amendment could be on the ballot in 2016.

        If California had Iowa's amendment process, not only wouldn't we have had Prop 8, we probably wouldn't have had Prop 13 back in the 1970s...

  •  Maybe the we're-a-bunch-of-losers-who-suck (0+ / 0-)

    contingent of the Democratic Party will shut up for a while.

  •  How sad for Brian.... (1+ / 0-)
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    Its pathetic to watch culture warriors crying "all is well!" while their flock is walking out of the room.

    He's our version of Baghdad Bob.

  •  For all the criticism Obama has gotten (4+ / 0-)

    for using that word "evolving", I think that's really where the country is on the issue.

    A lot of people have evolved over the last few years on the issue, and there are many who opposed marriage equality previously who are now....well, evolving. They arent exactly for marriage equality, but not against it.

    While there is legitimate criticism that Obama used the term in a political way, I think it does resonate with a lot of people. It's partly why I think this hasnt been a negative for him politically.

    •  Our President's word choice was brilliant and (2+ / 0-)
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      honest.

      It is the story of social justice since man crawled out of the muck: our evolving definition of what it is to be human.

      "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

      by jakewaters on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:33:42 AM PDT

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      •  Brilliant, yes. Honest, no. He was for marriage (1+ / 0-)
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        equality (1996) before he was against it (2004). That's not evolution.

        Thanks to already-built-in anthropogenic climate change, our planet will only be able to sustain half a billion humans in 2100 AD. Human population will probably reach 9 billion in 2050 AD. Will your descendants be among the 'lucky' one-in-eighteen?

        by davidincleveland on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:58:18 AM PDT

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        •  Actually his affair with Rick Warren was in 2008, (1+ / 0-)
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          but your point is taken that it's 'back to the future' of his previous position.

          I meant that evolution is an honest description of the gradual expansion of the counry's position on social justice and who is entitled to a full measure thereof.

          Obama's  backsliding in 2008 was obviously calculated, and dare I say probably recommended, by some of his campaign staff, in an attempt to get him some of that fine cracker bigot vote.  Maybe the campaign thought they'd buy the story that his mamma was as white as theirs were. Winning does not confer genius retrospectively.

          I'm sure they have studied the demographics and know how well that didn't work for 'em.

          But you really have to wonder if these same 'devolutionary' forces got appointed to his administration and were behind his early coddling of
          other constituencies of dunces (eg blue dogs reps and RW republicans) instead of urging him to stand up and saying 'are you with me or against me?'.

          I'll bet he's always had friends who are gay.  I think now he really knows who his friends are and the walk that he's walking speaks so much louder than the nonsense he muttered to Warren in the confessional of phony public opinion back in the day.  

          "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

          by jakewaters on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 10:33:07 AM PDT

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          •  2004 was a reference Obama's run for the U.S. (0+ / 0-)

            Senate from Illinois (against rabidly homophobic Alan Keyes) and I agree it was calculated on the assumption that what worked to win a state senate seat in a very liberal Northern Illinois state senate district wouldn't work if left unmodified, when he ran to represent all of Illinois in DC.

            He stated in that 2004 campaign that he believed marriage should be only between men and women, and he cited his religion for that stance. It was a reversal of what he said 8 years previously, when he responded to a survey from an Illinois GLBT magazine in 1996.

            Because of that, his rapproachment with Warren didn't shock or surprise me, and I've watched his 'evolution' since 2004 with great political interest, knowing he and his advisors would pick the time it was safe to return to his 1996 stance.

            Thanks to already-built-in anthropogenic climate change, our planet will only be able to sustain half a billion humans in 2100 AD. Human population will probably reach 9 billion in 2050 AD. Will your descendants be among the 'lucky' one-in-eighteen?

            by davidincleveland on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 02:39:10 PM PDT

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  •  Awesome. The choice for us is clear, the only (2+ / 0-)
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    choice is is the Obama/Biden ticket. Right on Dems. Thank you.

  •  Brian Brown and NOM can KMBA (translation nsfw) (1+ / 0-)
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    But the first letter refers to BB's statement about us Democrats and the election and the third refers to my ethnicity.

    Seriously, this is wonderful news on many levels. Psychologically, there is the difference between marriage equality being seen as mostly a young issue or a progressive issue or a GLBT issue, and it being seen as one of the defining differences between the two main political parties' contrasting visions for our country.

    It will certainly be useful to me as a GOTV activist talking to older Americans, and to young Ohioans from conservative households/backgrounds. It is a powerful tool to push back against anyone listening to me who is silently thinking, "Yeah, but you're for same sex marriage because you yourself are gay."

    Thanks to already-built-in anthropogenic climate change, our planet will only be able to sustain half a billion humans in 2100 AD. Human population will probably reach 9 billion in 2050 AD. Will your descendants be among the 'lucky' one-in-eighteen?

    by davidincleveland on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 09:31:06 AM PDT

  •  I'm proud of my party..... (0+ / 0-)

    Any Dem or any progressive better get out and vote!  You don't get to be lazy or pure with so much at stake.  

  •  A Jobs Plank? (0+ / 0-)

    "Democratic platform will include marriage equality plank"

    Fine.  Now if we can get the Democrats to bite the bullet and include a "jobs" plank in their platform, we will REALLY have accomplished something.

    •  Perhpas you might rethink your phrasing (0+ / 0-)

      ...as it sounds a lot like you're saying a marriage for all plank is not "something".

      Jobs are important, yes. And so is the mantle of dignity that is every human being's birthright.

      The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

      by lotusmaglite on Tue Jul 31, 2012 at 02:27:56 PM PDT

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    •  Hey moron! (0+ / 0-)

      the left DOES have a plan for the economy and jobs. It's Republicans that got nothing. Zip, nada, zero. their only plan is to see Obama fail. To that end, they will obstruct or veto ANYTHING that might help the average American.
      Of course, you won't hear THAT on Fox. so one suggests you change the channel and do a little reading. Then you might find out that Romney's "plans" include nothing more than policies that will make him and his cronies richer at YOUR expense, and add trillions to the deficit. NOTHING in Romney's plans will help the nation one whit.
      If you're looking for someone to blame, blame Bush/Cheney, who got us into the mess, and the GOP, who intend to do everything in their power to keep us there.
      Fuck, man. Get a clue.

      Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

      by MA Liberal on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:40:30 AM PDT

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