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Some time ago, Oklahoma attempted to pass a bill locally that would have made it legal for a doctor to withhold information from a woman, if that doctor *felt, that information might lead to the female patient having an abortion.

This strikes at the very heart of a woman's ability to make sound medical conditions, we know this as Informed Consent.

Cases in which doctors deliberately deceive their patients to stop them from getting abortions aren’t common, but they do happen. Abbott Brown, a lawyer who has been trying wrongful-birth cases for 34 years, says he had one case in which an anti-abortion family doctor overseeing a woman’s pregnancy never performed an ultrasound; the child was born without arms. Speaking to The Washington Post in 2009 after the murder of George Tiller, a doctor who performed late-term abortions, his colleague LeRoy Carhart described a case in which a woman learned, very late in her pregnancy, that her fetus had no brain. “Her doctor knew the problem all along but just never told her,” he said.The Daily Beast
You cannot consent to a treatment [even if that includes nontreatment] if you are never given all of the relevant information regarding your condition, and the condition of your pregnancy/fetus. But you know that only matters if you are considered a human being. A walking incubator on the other hand, doesn't need informed consent.
Informed consent is a phrase often used in law to indicate that the consent a person gives meets certain minimum standards. As a literal matter, in the absence of fraud, it is redundant. An informed consent can be said to have been given based upon a clear appreciation and understanding of the facts, implications, and future consequences of an action. In order to give informed consent, the individual concerned must have adequate reasoning faculties and be in possession of all relevant facts at the time consent is given...In cases where an individual is provided insufficient information to form a reasoned decision, serious ethical issues arise. Wikipedia Informed Consent.
But I think it's clear by now that no one female, could possibly be viewed as having "adequate reasoning faculties" in the eyes of the GOP. All of these attacks on women's rights, make it very clear that women are not valued adults in society--within that GOP worldview, but that also we are seen as mental-children. This is a headlong push, to shove us back 100 years or more into a medical dark age, worse than the heroic medical corporate age we inhabit now.

Just like the bill in Oklahoma, this is an attempt to protect GOP Medical Quackadoodles--otherwise claiming to be Doctors, from the dangers of being sued for withholding important information about the condition of a pregnancy or fetus. Is your fetus going to suffer from a serious, painful, genetic defect? Will you give birth a dead baby? Well sucks to be you. Anything you might have done to terminate that pregnancy and start over in the hopes of birthing a healthy child will be blown to smithereens by the actions of the Holy Do-Betterers. Meddlers that won't be there to pay the additional medical bills, to hold your hand or the hands of other family members when it comes time for pain and suffering, who won't be there to help you financially plan for a future life with a child who might never be able to support themselves as an adult.

If their god intended you to be happy, he wouldn't have burdened you with a defective fetus!

Yes, I blame religion for this onslought of arrogant ignorance. Religion being fueled by hate and dark, corporate money.

It's just more punitive bullshit from people who really need to get off the Cross, because we need the wood.

He's a Martyr, She's a Martyr--Wouldn't you like to be a Martyr too!

Meanwhile where are the jobs? Where are the living wages? I assure you they are not hiding under our skirts or in our vaginas. Which leads me to Todd Akin's bullshit apology.

It's clear to me that the only reason Akin is making sad noises, is because he got caught off guard. He thought there would be sufficient protection by the masses of his base--otherwise known as Teh Crazies, that the collective, explosive splitting of atoms by women all over the country would be unable to penetrate his solid bone head which is protected by his lead-lined ass.

Sorry Mr. Akin, your piss-poor, back-peddling wasn't enough to save you from our well justified wrath.

That and the attempt by his own party to throw him under the proverbial bus for saying out loud, what they have codified as a plank in their party platform must have surely baffled him. Another twist in the Rovian playbook?

I can safely say, that I ran out of "polite" responses to this bullshit about 20 years ago. I have absolutely zero tolerance for idiot meddlers who think they personally, have a built-in antenna that picks up the will of some god, and are convinced they are authorized to make me live their dream.

Trust me, when I see someone that unbelievably arrogant and stupid, I can predict that if a god has a message for him, it will involve public humiliation in an attempt to remind him of his mortal fallibility. But as we can see, all divine efforts to rein him in [as well as others] have failed miserably. Hence the inability to own the notion that as individuals, as a party, they do not in fact, have a direct line to the divine--any more than any other person out there, and that their legendary status as messengers for the almighty goes no further than the front of their empty brain pans.

So what drives this insanity? The same GOP-wide, mentality behind Todd Akin's rape-theory.

"Public policy should reflect in Arizona that no child's life is a wrongful life," Herrod said MOJO

In Oklahoma it was all about claiming that wrongful life suits were immoral. That all pregnancies are a blessing. ALL PREGNANCIES!

So if we allow crap like this to pass, this will justify Todd Akin and others who feel as he does. Because if you get pregnant after consenting sex, or through rape--well all pregnancies are a blessing, regardless of outcome or circumstance. And they ought know--after all their god put a stem on their apple!

Granted none of these would-be-street preachers seem to pick up on the fact, that the notion of a blessing is subjective, and in the context of these bills and this speech, this entire position rests on a specific notion of being religious, specifically Christian. So it escapes their notice that by their very speech, they reveal their naked desire to make us all comply with their religious beliefs--even those beliefs that are not in the canon.

The GOP has made it very clear for the last 20 years that:

Women are not equal to men and are not deserving of the same rights and protections or pay as men.

*Women are not capable of informed consent due to their inferior status as mental children, and as breeding chattel, so this justifies abridging our rights by any means necessary, whether that is through legislation, intimidation or acts of domestic terrorism.

*Rape is always a segue for discussing the things that matter to the GOP about a woman: Was she good looking, is she clean or rich, or white? Was she drunk or stoned? Did the bitch have it coming? How long was her skirt? Did she hold a job correct for her gender? Did she know her place?


Men cannot be expected to control themselves, therefore Women must be controlled.

The hatred of women, especially women who do not properly comply with expected gender roles should be raped. But if you get pregnant from that corrective rape--It's a blessing!

*Women should be cut out of the discussion by any means necessary as well.

*All Pregnancies Are a Blessing. ALL! No Exceptions! Tubal pregnancies, rape, or those through trickery, coercion, lies, etc.,

*And the only way to suppress the Woman Vote is to tie them down with unwanted pregnancies.  Pregnant women are vulnerable, and tire easily. Women with small children are exhausted and if you scare then enough--might go all security mom on your ass at the polls, if they can get out to vote at all. Already, being a woman is a pre-existing condition when buying insurance, but did it also occur to you, that being a mom is a pre-existing condition when looking for a job?

We assume these assholes are ignorant. But no more. I am going to operate on the notion that they are just twisted individuals who know the truth about rape, pregnancy, and reproduction, but just don't give a shit because the truth doesn't fit into their playbook. Sure their kids might be ignoramuses, because of Abstinence Only programs in the last 20 years, but Akin? Santorum? Romney? Palin, and all them--they went to school during a period of time when actual sex education was taught in schools.

Everything in the behavior of these Angry White Men and their brain Washed female compatriots indicates to me, that they are abusers, and enablers of abusers, and nothing more. Their legislation reflects an abusive mentality toward women, especially women who do not comply with the GOP's expected Gender Roles.

For example:

Women don't just deal with rape [as if that weren't enough], women often deal with domestic abuse, that takes a form not usually addressed. Abused women often deal with coercion, trickery and force in order to tie them down with a pregnancy by their abuser, in much the same manner that the GOP is trying to tie all of us down through coerced or forced pregnancy through bullying, lies and deceit.  

Hence the *fake crisis pregnancy centers, meant to trick and coerce women into pregnancy instead of giving them *all the information. The attack on informed consent is just an extension of that.

In this video, one young woman reports that one center in Pennsylvania lied and told her friend that she was not pregnant, when in reality she was. Sound familiar? At the end of the video, the hope is expressed that funding be cut from these crisis pregnancy centers, federal funding that comes through abstinence only programs, but that was 2009. We are now in 2012, and the only thing being defunded are Planned Parenthoods across the nation.

Why misinform women about birth control, abortion and sex?   Why to scare them into using nothing, or less effective means to prevent unwanted pregnancy. To shame them into doing the same. To build bars inside their heads based on fear and shame planted by these hateful, arrogant fools.

All pregnancies are a blessing to the GOP because they don't have to pay for them, they don't have to do anything, but sit back and watch us struggle.  

If a woman were to be pregnant, and she decided [consented] to carry that pregnancy to term despite the fact that there was something horribly wrong, I will support her decision. It's her life and her body. She has that power to make that call.

And if a woman with a similar diagnosis were to be pregnant and decide that she didn't want to carry that pregnancy to term, regardless of the reason, I support that as well. It's her body, her life, her power to make that call as well.

I am not here to tell Christians that they must get an abortion or use birth control. I don't tell anyone what to do. I don't think it's too much to ask that they return the favor.

But I will ask this question: WHY DO I HAVE TO BE RAPED TO HAVE A CHOICE? You do realize that part of this attack is to get us to accept something that still violates our rights, by making it seem better than the alternative.

And if a woman tells me about the awful things, so many of us have survived, I listen and I do everything I can to offer compassion and to avoid judging. No means no. Whether she was forced from the beginning or found herself in a bad situation and unable to exit safely. Or if she changed her mind when clothes had come off--no means no. The same is extended to men as well. Like the President Obama stated, *Rape is Rape.

We as women deserve better than this from our fellow citizens. I am thoroughly sick of the false argument, that giving people access to comprehensive reproductive services is somehow violating the civil rights of a FACTION of the US population. It's crap, especially when we know so many of them have, or will use these services, legally or in a back alley.

I mean do you really think that only "bad girls" died from Back Alley Abortions? That no Christians went down with sepsis?

Access to these services isn't between me and my neighbor. It isn't between me and *Your Pastor. It's between me and me. If you imagine that there is some religious charge attached to these actions, that's on you. But even if that could be proven true, it would still be between me and that invisible, divine entity. You don't get a say in my bodily processes.

Notice that there is nothing blocking my way to claim an abortion is a god's will or desire just as much as someone else might *claim otherwise. Both are equally invalid claims, because proof of the divine does not exist in any capacity recognized by Science or the Courts.

Respecting your faith in the unseen, isn't the same as agreeing that this power exists. Humoring each other on such matters are simply a way to keep the peace. It is an admission to nothing.

How many times do we have to tell these people? Spectral Evidence is not admissible in a court of law. And that includes *CLAIMS of unverifiable, paranormal exchanges indicating divine favor for specific kinds of medical models.

Why we let this insanity get this far, is beyond me. It's a huge, historical DUH moment.

It's bad enough I have to deal with the Invisible Hand of the Market, but now I have to deal with the Invisible hand of an alleged god up my birth canal? The invisible hand of your pastor, pretending to be a god, in my pharmacy? On my speculum? In the exam room? In my bedroom?

The WAR on Women is really just a theater in the broader, multi-fronted, Culture War. This all rests on the absolutely FALSE premise that Christians are being oppressed in this country by the "evil" forces of secularism--you know, Feminists, Teh Gay, Atheists and Non-Christians! The loudest voices not being paid off directly, seem to have completely missed the point that we are all being oppressed by the same power,and it comes from Wall*Street, and not philosophical or religious minorities.

That just by being visibly, their equal and not being of their faith and living our own lives, we offer them temptation to live another way, and become the scapegoats, who to blame for complex societal ills that predate the written word.

Whether it's to have premarital sex, or use birth control, or go to another church, or become Agnostics or Atheists--this notion that we [everyone else] define the perils of Free Will and Freedom of Conscience is just too much for them to bear.

Oh I just get tired thinking about this pile of crap.

It never occurs to them, how ridiculous their own versions of magical thinking look, especially when mixed with religious arrogance, bigotry, and ignorance.

If *Teh Crazy were as oppressed as they had claimed over the years, their churches would have been closed by now, their bibles would have been confiscated by now, and they would really be in camps. But notice that none of that has happened. How many times do we read chatter on the intertubz that repeats Obama is going to close down all the Churches and confiscate bibles and force men to grow beards and become Mooslims!

It hasn't happened. It isn't going to happen. Just like nothing like that,  didn't happen 10 years ago, or 20 years ago. Because this apocalyptic paradigm about forced denial of the faith is readily embraced and has been floating around for a long, long time. Social Security Numbers are the Mark of the Beast! Kids Today and all that bunk! Every time something happens that they don't like, "It's the Trials and Tribulations! The Birth Pangs are Upon Us!" How these people don't give themselves a goddamn heart attack living so wound up every day, is beyond me.

Churches are numerous--every kind of church, sect and denomination. Bibles are printed in numerous languages, everything from Bibles for scholars with Aramaic and Greek text, to tiny New Testaments that fit in your pocket. And they are ubiquitous in our culture, and in our markets.

In fact when I buy basic cable I get a lot of Christian religious channels--whether I want them or not. 24-7 Bible beating for your fast-food-religious convenience. If you have your own channels [note plural] included in basic cable, you are not oppressed. Not everyone can afford to buy their own channel.

All these years have passed, women have used birth control, decided their own time and season, they have had abortions, babies,  or their tubes tied--and look-There are still churches. There are still bibles. The planet has not been smited. Massive tsunamis do not devastate coastal communities whenever bared breasts are displayed on pay per view.

And yet they fear women, and our personal power--as if we are going to destroy them and the world with our knowledge and freedom. Oh the horror! The are more offended by free, independent women, than they are the commodification of their own faith. Go figure.  

The War that has been declared on women and backed by religion will stop some day. Maybe not right now, but it will. And the fanatics will loose. Even if they win for a short period of time, there simply isn't the kind of energy available to keep this intensity and hate going indefinitely, and they will eventually loose. Besides, we outnumber them.

That is something we shouldn't forget. Many of us raise children, we have the power to shape the world through our roles as the first teachers. We have the power to Vote, we have the numbers to vote all these opportunists right out of office! We have the power to protect the institutions that ensure we have access to choice--whatever that choice may be.

If I had my way, I would wish that these fanatical people would simply endeavor to live their own lives and stop trying to live mine. Being a Busybody is not a religion. It is not even listed as a spiritual gift.

Can you imagine how different this world would be, if they devoted all that energy being used right, now to hate and oppress women, and turned that energy to social justice? Affordable healthcare for all, food for the hungry, job training, environmental sustainability, and  affordable housing?

Wow what would that look like? It's time to vote these people out. Don't stop with Akin, after all he is just a symptom of their disease. He simply said out loud, what they all want, what they have codified in their own party. We need to send a powerful message with our ballots about just what we will put up with as adults. Because this isn't going to stop, this election cycle unless we make it stop:

Tampa, Florida (CNN) - The Republican Party is once again set to enshrine into its official platform support for "a human life amendment" to the Constitution that would outlaw abortion without making explicit exemptions for rape or incest, according to draft language of the platform obtained exclusively by CNN late Monday.
Paul Ryan sponsored a personhood bill for zygotes.
Ahead of Thursday's House vote on the so-called "Protect Life Act," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Cali.) called the bill a "savage" attack on women's health. If passed, H.R. 358 would free anti-abortion hospitals from the legal responsibility of providing a life-saving abortion procedure to a pregnant woman who is dying. HuffPo
What else do we need to see, before all women realize that these people do not see us as humans and do not care about our welfare? Women are less than nothing to these clowns. We need to vote them out of office and marginalize their politics until they are nothing but scratchy voices in the dark, on AM radio.

8:05 AM PT: Akin's Legitimate Rape story goes Global.

"The standard news story has been syndicated worldwide, stating the bare facts; that a Missouri congressman referred to "legitimate rape" when trying to explain, incorrectly, a woman's biological response to being raped."

11:33 AM PT: Today on NPR's Political Junky, I heard a first. Making the GOPers talk about Todd Akin and the Party Position on Abortion is pushing *THEM off message.

That's rich!

This is the same kind of bs they themselves pull up whenever scrutiny gets too hot on their fucked up ideals regarding Tax the Crap out of the poor so the Rich can buy that 10th mansion in the Hamptons!

Or whenever we scrutinize their military spending habits, their pork barrel politics, their notions of National Security --whenever it gets too hot to handle, they throw Abortion or Gays, or Mooslims! up in the air to distract us from their schemes.

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  •  Scares me that these politicians... (8+ / 0-)

    Can attempt to make over one HALF of the human race into the "Scary Other" and the MSM blindly goes along with it.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 06:33:37 AM PDT

  •  Being against abortion is a legitimate opinion. (0+ / 0-)

    I support the right of women to control their own bodies.  I support the right of women to control their reproductive biology.  I support the right of women to receive equal treatment under the law, in the workplace, in the hospital, in the sports arena, and in other public venues.  I believe safe and effective abortions should be available to all women.

    That said, I also think that those who oppose abortion hold their opinions as firmly and with as much conviction as I hold my own opinions, that those people are as convinced of the righteousness of their opinions as I am of my own, and those who oppose abortion have as much right to express their opinions on the subject as I have the right to express my opinions.

    Those of us who think that a women's need for self-determination and control of their own bodies is paramount need to accomadate ourselves to the reality that there are other people who think that abortion is evil and stopping this evil is the most important thing in the world.  Both opinions and viewpoints are valid (and yes, even commendable).

    And perhaps a greater problem for Americans today is not the fight over women's rights vs. abortions, but the overtone of absolutism by which everyone claims "it's my way or nothing".

    I would like to suggest that there are ways we as a nation can both preserve women's rights and women's equality AND reduce the incidence of abortion.  and I further suggest that finding and agreeing on those solutions requires all of us to go beyond the "I am right and you are wrong" concretism of our political thinking.    

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 07:20:48 AM PDT

    •  If you don't want an Abortion, Don't have one (5+ / 0-)

      If you don't want to deal with a woman having an unplanned pregnancy, YOU yourself are always free to abstain from sexual contact at any time.

      I would like to suggest that there are ways we as a nation can both preserve women's rights and women's equality AND reduce the incidence of abortion.  and I further suggest that finding and agreeing on those solutions requires all of us to go beyond the "I am right and you are wrong" concretism of our political thinking.
      Those ways are being undermined daily--See all out attack on Birth Control access, as well as destruction of public educational outlets for sexual literacy. Not to mention all out defunding of planned parenthood, and allowing pharmacists to refuse to sell women proscribed BC pills.

      So if you want to tell me about compromise--don't waste your breath. I am done with that.

      Fuck those people

      This is my body--To them I say, Control your own!

      •  Not a compromise - a better outcome (0+ / 0-)

        Let's pretend that we can ensure women's rights and sovereignty and during this time there are roughly 500,000 abortions performed annually.  This is a good thing because we hold women's rights as paramount.

        Let us now envision another scenerio in which we can ensure women's rights and sovereignty while less than 10,000 abortions are done annually.  To me, this is a better solution, because not only do we accomplish the paramount goal of preserving women's rights, but we also reduce the problem of abortion.

        So how do we get to that better solution?  Do we get to that better solution by telling "the other side" that they are crazy, illegitimate, and worthless - the kinds of things wingers say about you and me?  Or do we make common cause - to say to our neighbors "you don't like abortions and I want to see women enjoy the blessings of freedom, so let us together find a way to accomplish those goals"?

        I know we can accomplish both protecting women's rights and reducing the incidence of abortions.  

        I am less sure about our ability to work together to solve these difficult problems - in part because of the tendency of every side to view other opinions and viewpoints as illegitimate and foreign.

        "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

        by Hugh Jim Bissell on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 08:39:28 AM PDT

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        •  You missed the point. That was maybe 10 years ago (3+ / 0-)

          Hugh--Look at the videos, read the links, do your own research.

          You are assuming that women who have abortions don't need them, and didn't plan carefully, weren't victims of abuse, rape or just bad luck.

          Those idgets have limited our access to birth control measures, seek to  outlaw them, let us die of ectopic pregnancies, deny us affordable access to cancer screening, prenatal care, birth control providers, and even the most fundamental thing: Education about how our own bodies work.

          Your notions are both outdated and laughable in the context of this situation right now.

          Why are you putting the onus on women when it's clear, WE AREN'T THE PROBLEM!

          The Forced Birthers, Woman Haters, Abusers, Rape Enabling Republibots are the freaking problem.

          •  I am putting the onus on ALL OF US (0+ / 0-)

            I am putting the onus on ALL Americans to solve our problems.

            And I am saying that demonizing half of the country is not going to help solve the problem of ensuring the rights of women and the problem of abortion.

            "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

            by Hugh Jim Bissell on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 10:10:32 AM PDT

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            •  Seriously, I think (2+ / 0-)
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              you are kind of buying into the right's framing here. No one likes abortion. No one thinks it's nothing more than a convenient method of birth control. We would all like it to be rare, and Democrats (Hillary Clinton comes to mind) have tried to work that "safe, legal, and rare" angle for years.

              The reason it never gets any agreement from the right is that this is not about abortions. It's about controlling women. The same people who are against all abortions are also against all sex education and all birth control, the only ways other than complete abstinence from sex to avoid unwanted pregnancy. They have by now made it completely obvious that reducing the number of abortions is not their goal. Some of us have been party to this dialogue for 40 years or more, and we have lost patience with the right's cover story in which they nominally care about preserving "life".

              Trying to find a compromise with the right on abortion is like trying to find a compromise with Exxon about reducing the use of fossil fuels.

              Okiciyap food pantry is still helping Cheyenne River Reservation. Please help.

              by belinda ridgewood on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 10:29:39 AM PDT

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              •  You nailed it Belinda ridgewood! (1+ / 0-)
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                Trying to find a compromise with the right on abortion is like trying to find a compromise with Exxon about reducing the use of fossil fuels.
              •  You make a great point. (0+ / 0-)

                You make a great point: that some of the impetus behind the anti-abortion effort comes from the wish of some to control women specifically.

                This is most certainly true, just as it is equally true that some who oppose abortion do NOT wish to control women, and come to their anti-abortion stance from other more reasonable ideas.

                It is probably not possible to find comon cause with those who seek to misogynistically control women.

                But it may well be possible to build bridges of understanding with others, but not if we are calling them names and demonizing them.  These people are after all our fellow Americans, and deserve to be treated as such.    

                "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

                by Hugh Jim Bissell on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 12:28:33 PM PDT

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                •  If you are trying to control my body by (0+ / 0-)

                  anticipating my desires, circumstances, or medical needs, or motives, then you are not being reasonable, and you are trying to control me and other women based on what you IMAGINE to be true of us and our general character.

                  End of discussion.

                  The way you prevent contributing to an abortion happening is to abstain from sex. To limit the possibilities, use safer sex practices, and family planning tools.

                  Or make sure you have relations with someone who feels the same way you do and who will always defer to your wishes.

                  Outside of that, it's all about control.

                •  Find some of these "others", and we'll try to (0+ / 0-)
                  But it may well be possible to build bridges of understanding with others....
                  build those bridges.  People who don't want to misogynistically control women and who oppose abortion are already supporting the prochoice side.  

                  Renewable energy brings national global security.     

                  by Calamity Jean on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 10:39:24 PM PDT

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            •  Whatever. I got enough ONUS without your help or (0+ / 0-)


              You are clueless.

              Whatever your intentions are, you are absolutely clueless about this issue right now.

              Best of luck.

    •  Yes, being against abortion is a legitimate (2+ / 0-)
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      opinion. And if you feel that way, DON'T HAVE ONE.
      But, if you feel that way and don't own a uterus then I suggest you put your principals to work and do something to eleviate the problems in our society that put women in the position of having to make that decision.
       Educate boys about sex andTHEIR responsibility for the consequences.  Make sure boys and young men (old men too) know that when a woman says NO, it means NO, not maybe. Anything after that is RAPE, period.  Work to eradicate the "boys will be boys" attitude so prevelant today especially in macho environments (dare I say sports).  If you are lost as to what you could do, I suggest you talk to your local school board and let them know you support inclusive (not just abstinence only) sex education.
      Perhaps you could run for your school board, speak out in your community, be a voice that says men can stop abortions by not causing unwanted pregnancies.  That is the only way men can stop abortions.
      And by the way, I have to add that I resent the inference that if you are not AGAINST ABORTION, you are for it. I am NOT for abortion, I am FOR CHOICE.

      •  I am Pro-Choice, and I am Pro-Life (0+ / 0-)

        I am pro-choice, meaning I think abortion should be available for women.

        I am also pro-life, meaning I think we should favor and protect the living, and we should not be sending young men to die in failed wars, or killing lots of Iraqis, or murdering people in electric chairs, or pump posions into our air and water.

        As for pregnancies, science tells us that about 50% of conceptions do not go to term, so to say all fetuses are living humans is incorrect, and that somewhere between 20 and 30 weeks gestation, a fetus is able to survive outside of the mother's uterus but only with intensive 'round the clock medical care, only about after 35 weeks gestation is a fetus able to live outside the mother's uterus without medical intervention.

        I further believe that the lowest possible number of abortions is best.

        So what does that make me?  A liberal slut?  A conservative troll?  I too resent the ideas others have about and for me.

        "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

        by Hugh Jim Bissell on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 12:48:08 PM PDT

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        •  When Rush Limbaugh can call you a slut on national (0+ / 0-)

          forums for asking for birth control, then we shall indeed talk about the many facets of slutitude.

          Your job is not affected--your insurance is not affected. Your life is not endangered by pregnancy, no one can even make you pregnant.

          Whatever your sympathies or character qualities you have--there are some bridges you are physically incapable of crossing.

        •  EVERYBODY thinks that the lowest possible (1+ / 0-)
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          I further believe that the lowest possible number of abortions is best.
          number of abortions is best.  The self-styled "pro-life" side tries to reduce the number of abortions by forcing women to give birth who don't want a child.  The pro-choice side tries to reduce the number of abortions by promoting contraception and prosperity, so that women who don't want a child don't become pregnant in the first place, and so that more women feel that it's safe to have a child because they have the resources to raise children.  

          In other words, the disagreement is not about keeping the number of abortions as low as possible, the disagreement is about HOW this goal will be achieved, by coercion or by prevention.  

          Renewable energy brings national global security.     

          by Calamity Jean on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 10:58:51 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, there is. It's making contraception (2+ / 0-)
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      I would like to suggest that there are ways we as a nation can both preserve women's rights and women's equality AND reduce the incidence of abortion.
      cheap and easily available to reduce the number of uwanted pregnancies.  And it's making prenatal care cheap and easily available to reduce the number of potential birth defects.  And it's making middle and lower income people more financially prosperous so that faced with an unplanned pregnancy they feel they are able to afford a child.  

      The trouble is, the anti-abortion side is also working hard to reduce availablity of contraception and prenatal care, and to make them more expensive.  They and their political buddies are working to make all but the super-rich poorer.  What sort of a compromise do you suggest?  

      Renewable energy brings national global security.     

      by Calamity Jean on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 10:30:45 PM PDT

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  •  o/t been looking for you to invite (2+ / 0-)
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    GreenMother, belinda ridgewood

    you to the Climate Change SOS Blogathon group. I added some of your diaries to the CC News Roundup group we started a while back once we started on this project

    here's todays launch diary

    Im going to send you an invite now.

    You have done such outstanding reporting on the drought.

  •  Mother,I (0+ / 0-)

    hope you are not saying the disabled are better off dead.

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