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Striking teachers and supporters at Whitney Young High School in Chicago.
The Chicago Teachers Union's House of Delegates met Sunday afternoon, and decided to stay out on strike while delegates talked to rank and file teachers about the tentative deal reached Friday:
Delegates were not receiving written contract language about the deal so some wanted to keep the strike in place until they could see written language and bounce it off their constituents in schools.

Lewis said the delegates don’t trust the school board at this point.

“Why would you make a decision on something you haven’t had a chance to look at?” she said. “They have language. They see the language. But it’s not finished. We’ve been almost guaranteed that it might be finished by Tuesday.”

The distrust leading union delegates to ask for more time and details makes sense, given how Chicago Public Schools management has treated teachers in recent years. Once teachers leave the picket lines, they face a real possibility that management will pull back on any details not yet hammered out in the proposed contract.

According to a CTU press release prior to the House of Delegates meeting, the proposed contract offers teachers a 7 percent raise over three years, with an option for a 3 percent raise in a fourth year if both sides agreed; does not include merit pay (which has repeatedly been shown not to work); includes the hiring of 600 art, music, language, and physical education teachers; and caps the use of student test scores in teacher evaluations at 30 percent, with 70 percent of evaluations being based on "teacher practice." Additionally, it calls for students to receive textbooks on the first day of classes, and for nurses, social workers, and other wrap-around service providers to be hired if additional sources of revenue can be located.

Delegates will talk to the teachers they represent on Monday and Tuesday and meet again for a possible vote Tuesday, making Wednesday the earliest possible day schools might reopen.

5:13 PM PT: The CTU has posted a statement and a 23-page outline of the tentative agreement; the final agreement is expected to be more like 180 pages long. In the statement, Karen Lewis said:

“This union is a democratic institution, which values the opportunity for all members to make decisions together. The officers of this union follow the lead of our members,” President Lewis said. She continued, “the issues raised in this contract were too important, had consequences too profound for the future of our public education system and for educational fairness for our students, parents and members for us to simply take a quick vote based on a short discussion. Therefore, a clear majority voted to take this time and we are unified in this decision.”

5:36 PM PT: Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel says he's going to court to get an injunction to stop the strike before union delegates have seen a finished deal or consulted with their members.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 04:37 PM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Demanding Textbooks on Day One?!?! (19+ / 0-)

    Damned selfish teachers unions, only thinking about themselves again...

    "Every one is king when there's no one left to pawn" (BRMC)
    Contributing Editor, Daily Kos/Daily Kos Elections

    by Steve Singiser on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 04:40:18 PM PDT

    •  What will they ask for next? (1+ / 0-)
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      progressivist

      Pencils?!! Paper?!!!

      Purging predominantly minority voters and requiring them to present IDs to vote in the face of VIRTUALLY NON-EXISTENT VOTER FRAUD is RACISM! I hereby declare all consenting Republicans RACISTS until they stand up and object to these practices!

      by Words In Action on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:41:34 PM PDT

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  •  I understand waiting (2+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Words In Action

    I'd want to review itl too.  Hopefully the teachers will accept this deal.

  •  Karen Lewis made some great points-- (13+ / 0-)

    points which I hope everyone will write about.  First, the trust issue.  She emphasized that a LOT.  Second, she said that she's just the spokesperson and that it's the members that tell her what to do.

    And what a passionate defense of democracy she gave.

    Also, the VP gave a great little mini rant to the press too.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 04:46:20 PM PDT

  •  this is very risky (12+ / 0-)

    CTU had good parental support. But everyone was led to believe , by both CTU and the Board, that students would be back in class tomorrow. Now, at 6 o'clock the night before school is supposed to resume, school's cancelled.
    I think this is not a wise move. Rahm will be all over it because the parents are going to turn now.
    This is NOT a smart decision. They had it all, Rahm had ducked out, now the CTU looks  like Keystone Kops.

    Goldman Sachs was not elected.

    by bornadem on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 04:53:01 PM PDT

    •  Any bargaining team member worth their salt (19+ / 0-)

      wouldn't TA on an agreement that they haven't seen in the flesh yet.  

      This is a verbal discussion that's been had so far.  What is the problem with getting it in writing before the final TA is signed off?  That is the way bargaining is done.  Nothing is settled until it's in writing, everyone had read it and all team members sign off.  

      Honestly, if they discussed the deal verbally on Friday, there should be no reason why management can't get the language together over the weekend for review by the whole bargaining team.  It doesn't take THAT long.  It only does when management is up to something nefarious.  They shouldn't be demanding a return to work on a verbal agreement in the first place.  

      The CTU is doing their JOB.  They are trying to protect their membership and the kids.  If management couldn't get it together to get the language finalized over the weekend as they should have, that's not CTU's fault.  Sounds to me like Rahm is playing games again.  

      •  This is right.. wait and review. (11+ / 0-)

        As disruptive as any strike is for parents, students and teachers, the membership must review the language of the tentative agreement, discuss it, and come to a consensus around whether it is good enough to proceed back to work.

        Many times in the past, a membership has approved a verbal memorandum of understanding which allows the bargaining team and management to "work out the details" while the strike ends. This usually ends in more compromise in favor of management than the bargaining unit.

        One more day, or two more days of a strike is a whole lot less disruptive than agreeing to bargain away important points which will harm student achievement and school social stability. Do NOT forget that students attend school because of the PEOPLE there whom they depend on, that it is a SOCIAL arrangement and a SOCIAL contract for continuity. People, students, teachers and parents, are not chits to be moved around gambling tables, no matter how much the objectivists claim they are.

        Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

        by OregonOak on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 05:43:15 PM PDT

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      •  Did they have to continue the strike while (0+ / 0-)

        reviewing the agreement?

        •  they could go back (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          FG

          The contact wouldn't be final until the entire membership votes in a few weeks. Today was supposed to be just a preliminary OK from the house of delegates, a smaller representative group of a few hundred. With the preliminary OK teachers would go back to work until the actual vote.
          But the house of delegates declined to vote.
          Its a mess.

          Goldman Sachs was not elected.

          by bornadem on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 09:06:15 PM PDT

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    •  How do you know that "the parents (1+ / 0-)
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      mamabigdog

      are going to turn now?"

    •  Agreed. Sentiment is turning against the teachers. (4+ / 0-)
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      TRPChicago, katesmom, KeithH, MizKit

      Patience is eroding among parents. They really did have a great agreement in an economy where so many have lost so much. I'm sure others who have posted here are right about getting details in place, but they should go back to work to do that. The school board CAME FAR. Parents were willing to support teachers, but now, they seem like they are nit-picking and digging in JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN.

      Watch for Rahm to get backing from parents who thought this was a fair proposal, who have to work overtime without extra pay themselves, who see a fraction of the vacation these teachers have, and know that a failing school system has to accept that some institutions will be closed for good.

      I sure have learned a lot about unions this past year - like politics, it's all local.

      •  They haven't seen the agreement (2+ / 0-)
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        apimomfan2, ChicDemago

        You elected a Mayor public don't trust - for good reasons.  What did you expect?  That they were going to take his word for it.  
        I'd want this agreement to be thoroughly parsed before going back to work.

      •  They're not nit picking (4+ / 0-)
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        jofr, quill, sukeyna, progressivist

        they're asking for specifics from a district that is demonstrably arguing in bad faith.

        The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:40:23 PM PDT

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        •  Perhaps the process has been mis-managed by the (1+ / 0-)
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          AoT

          school board or by the CTU, but you don't call all the teachers together for a vote, raising expectations that school will begin today (which had been hinted-to-announced by both sides after agreement announced), when you don't have what you need to vote.

          If it's true that the teachers don't have what they need to make a thoughtful vote, then, it's gross mismanagement of the public's good will toward the situation.

          Really TICKED that there is no school today.

    •  What strikes me as "very risky" (3+ / 0-)
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      sukeyna, Joe Hill PDX, progressivist

      to the future of the schools and Chicago's kids is Rahm's tone-deaf, scorched-earth tactics. No decent teachers will want to teach in Chicago in the future. These schools will be known as hellholes under the thumb of a rigid, totalitarian mayor who sees every challenge as a threat to his manhood. I find it hard to see how hordes of parents will amass behind this bully. And I'm disgusted at so many timid "we have to let them walk all over us" progressives. THIS is why the narrative has swung so hard to the right; we have no guts and no courage.

      Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

      by anastasia p on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 08:02:49 PM PDT

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  •  This sounds like employment to me. (1+ / 0-)
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    willkath

    " nurses, social workers, and other wrap-around service providers to be hired if additional sources of revenue can be located."
    Take the money from the 1%.  Ban American businessmen from storing money anywhere but United States financial institutions subject for audit of every dollar.
    It they don't like this arrangement, then they can go live somewhere else and do business somewhere else.
    Afraid?  Real American citizens are capable.
    Streamline Wall Street so scams are more difficult to hide.

    •  Re (0+ / 0-)
      It they don't like this arrangement, then they can go live somewhere else and do business somewhere else.
      Go read the front page post about Detroit for info about how this attitude works out in practice.

      Business is absolutely essential to any economy. It pays for the schools, police, and fire. If business took your advice the teachers would all be unemployed, much less asking for raises.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 05:43:11 PM PDT

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      •  Business pays for schools, police and fire? (6+ / 0-)

        You mean my taxes go....where?  We all pay for all of those things and therefore we all have a stake in ensuring their quality.

        Sure business is absolutely essential to any economy.  But a corporate agenda that tries to keep as much money as possible for as few as possible is not.

        •  Re (0+ / 0-)
          You mean my taxes go....where?  We all pay for all of those things and therefore we all have a stake in ensuring their quality.
          Are you a public employee?

          If so, your salary is paid for entirely by business. Some of it is diverted as taxes back to the municipality, but the originating source is still business, always, 100%. Without the business you would be unemployed and not paying any taxes at all.

          You certainly have the right, as any taxpayer does, to demand services in exchange for your taxes. However, if you're a teacher you have a little bit of a conflict of interest when it comes to education dollars, seeing as your interests are not "get the most education for the lowest reasonable cost" like other taxpayers are.

          (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
          Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

          by Sparhawk on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 06:34:22 PM PDT

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          •  Business pays the entirety of public employee (3+ / 0-)

            salaries? Really?  You mean the taxes that we pay don't go in part to public employee salaries?  Do you have evidence for that claim of yours?

            Listen.  Business is important but it doesn't exist independent of employees or consumers.  Without employees there is no business.  Without consumers there is no business.  

            •  Re (0+ / 0-)
              Really?  You mean the taxes that we pay don't go in part to public employee salaries?  Do you have evidence for that claim of yours?
              All wealth is derived from positive economic activity, the kind where you buy something for $1, add value to it, and sell it for $2.

              Every other human activity that is not the above (education, police, fire, military, etc) is paid for by people who do that.

              If you are a public employee, 100% of your income comes from taxes other people pay. The fact that some of that is diverted to be taxes in turn just means that your "real" cost to the rest of us is some fraction of your gross salary instead of the gross salary itself. The taxes are kind of a "discount".

              Listen.  Business is important but it doesn't exist independent of employees or consumers.  Without employees there is no business.  Without consumers there is no business.  
              Business is everything. Employees are important. Consumers are somewhat important, but if they have economic problems you just sell whatever it is you're selling for cheaper or change the kind of business you are.

              Everything needs to be justified on its merits alone. For any public employee (just as a private employee) the question is: is whatever this person does worth $XXX per year? What do comparable people make? Do we really need this function or can we get it elsewhere cheaper?

              (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
              Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

              by Sparhawk on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 06:48:20 PM PDT

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              •  First of all, (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                badscience

                public employees pay taxes and it's not as if their taxes go into a separate pool of money than those of other residents of a municipality.  So this is simply untrue:

                If you are a public employee, 100% of your income comes from taxes other people pay.
                Secondly, right here you say this:
                Are you a public employee?

                If so, your salary is paid for entirely by business.

                So you really need to make up your mind as to whether you think public employee salaries are paid entirely by other people or by business.

                Thirdly, your argument for business being everything is actually an argument for running businesses out of, well, business.  Because if there are no employees, unless everything can be done by robots, there is no business.  And if consumers can't buy the goods, then there's a price floor below which you can't sell them or there's no profit and businesses can't exist solely on losses.

                So if you want to justify everything on its merits, your argument for the primacy of business lacks merit.

            •  Ignore Sparhawk (1+ / 0-)
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              apimomfan2

              On the subject of education, he's a right-wing troll. If businesses pay the entirety of public salaries, including school teachers, I need to get a huge refund on my property taxes, of which about 3/4ths are allegedly for schools. Apparently, my city has been ripping me off to the tune of more than $2,500 a year. Where's it going?

              Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

              by anastasia p on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 08:05:43 PM PDT

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          •  you've got to be kidding? (0+ / 0-)

            Do you really not know how the system works?  

          •  you're not from Illinois, are you? (1+ / 0-)
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            jofr

            Here in Illinois the schools are primarily funded by our local real estate taxes. I'm not sure where your getting this "businesses pay for it" argument. Its mostly homeowner $$.

            Goldman Sachs was not elected.

            by bornadem on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:42:03 PM PDT

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            •  Who pays the homeowners (0+ / 0-)

              (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
              Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

              by Sparhawk on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:48:15 PM PDT

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              •  varies (0+ / 0-)

                Some work for private sector, some for public sector, some live on social security, some are independently wealthy and living on trust funds, some are priests and nuns living off religious endowments, some are disabled and living off of the proceeds of lawsuits and disability payments, some are living on child support and maintenance, and some are counterfeiters.
                Shall I go on or do you want to admit you are ridiculous?

                Goldman Sachs was not elected.

                by bornadem on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 09:16:35 PM PDT

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                •  I don't know what city you're talking about (0+ / 0-)

                  but if that is an accurate description then they are truly a basket case on the edge of survival.

                  To you, I'm an atheist. To God, I'm the loyal opposition.” ― Woody Allen

                  by soros on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 05:08:43 PM PDT

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  •  Net/Net, Probably a Mistake (1+ / 0-)
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    peregrinus

    My gut is that this tips the issue from a mild Obama positive to a negative.  Of course, it's not specifically a national(or presidential) issue, but there is little doubt it'll be seen as one.  Perhaps the media and blogosphere were overblown in expectation of a deal, but either way, it'll be disappointing to most. I suspect polling will show that solidarity will melt pretty quickly given the appearance of one side being too casual in accepting a deal.  Wanting more time is one thing - didn't they have all weekend?  It'll be interesting to tune back later in the week to see what, if any, the change in sentiment is from a polling persepctive.

  •  Solidarity. nt (6+ / 0-)

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 05:15:21 PM PDT

  •  Outline of the agreement (0+ / 0-)

    in this link.

    Don't look at me in that tone of voice. Dorothy Parker

    by kirbybruno on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 05:16:05 PM PDT

    •  This isn't just an outline (1+ / 0-)
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      Geenius at Wrok

      It looks like the whole contract- at least those sections of the contract that will contain new language.  

      You'll note that the specifics of the wage changes, steps etc. are not included in the contract language shown.  That is the piece they are still waiting on from the Board.  The actual language.  

  •  Unbelievable (5+ / 0-)
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    Sparhawk, belzaboo, terence, KeithH, bornadem

    From the AP:
    "Our members are not happy," Lewis said. "They want to know if there is anything more they can get."

    She added: "They feel rushed."

    The people who are really not happy are the millions who can only dream of getting a job like this in an economic basket case like Illinois.

    Were these union leaders born without a clue or does it come with the job?

    •  I live in Illinois. (14+ / 0-)

      The last thing we need are more crabs in the bucket implying the teachers should stop fighting collectively because there are others in worse conditions. What we need is for everyone to have the organization to pressure corporations the way the teachers are trying to do. I support them.

      •  The teachers aren't pressuring corporations (2+ / 0-)
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        sgrAstar, peregrinus

        They are pressuring private sector workers and taxpayers.

        (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
        Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

        by Sparhawk on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 05:35:02 PM PDT

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        •  They're pressuring the corporate AGENDA (7+ / 0-)

          that the government has towards PUBLIC institutions for the COMMON good.

          It isn't the private sector workers or the average taxpayer that is pressured. It is the non-taxpaying elite that buy elections and craft policy that gives them more of the assets and resources of this nation.

          What most people don't realize is that Rahm restricted the right to strike ONLY about economic issues; teachers can't officially strike about working conditions or the conditions of student learning. That is a great way to turn the narrative against the "greedy teachers" right off the bat. Because they aren't allowed to strike about anything else. Talk about corrupt.

          •  Re (0+ / 0-)
            It isn't the private sector workers or the average taxpayer that is pressured. It is the non-taxpaying elite that buy elections and craft policy that gives them more of the assets and resources of this nation.
            If you don't pay taxes, you aren't affected by this strike (economically at least).

            I don't really take a position on the merits of the strike and the teachers' position, but every dollar of a raise these teachers get as a result of this strike is a dollar pay cut for private taxpayers.

            (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
            Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

            by Sparhawk on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 05:50:17 PM PDT

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            •  Nonsense. (7+ / 0-)

              Teacher pay is pathetic. If you want the best education for the children of your nation, you pay for it. I happily pay taxes for the good of my community. Whether I "use" the service or not. Good schools are a huge metric in housing values and community strength. You can't tell me honestly that these dollars are not well-invested.

              And a dollar more in taxes does NOT equate, literally, to a dollar pay cut. That makes no sense.

              •  Oh I completely agree (0+ / 0-)

                I also am proud to pay taxes to support worthwhile public endeavors, including education.

                However, I see it from both sides. Elected officials should always be attempting to get as good a deal as possible for taxpayers and to get as many services for as reasonable a cost as possible.

                Because of these negotiated raises, some other city service or other will need to be traded off. Is this the right thing? Maybe. But the math is inescapable.

                (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
                Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

                by Sparhawk on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 06:02:55 PM PDT

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                •  The math is inescapable (4+ / 0-)
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                  Sparhawk, progressivist, jofr, AoT

                  only if one defines "as good a deal as possible for taxpayers" solely in an immediate numerical sense.  So, if one gets teachers on the cheap, one gets a lot of inexperienced teachers who will move elsewhere when they get more experience and can get more money from a locale that pays better.  So is that "as good a deal as possible for taxpayers?"  I certainly don't think so.  Equitable pay under fair conditions is good for everyone in the short and long term.

                  Furthermore, the only reason there possibly needs to be the kind of trade off that you're talking about is because of the inequities in the tax structure.

                  •  Re (1+ / 0-)
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                    FG
                    So, if one gets teachers on the cheap, one gets a lot of inexperienced teachers who will move elsewhere when they get more experience and can get more money from a locale that pays better.
                    Yeah, and Chicago is already either the best or almost the best paying municipality in the country in this regard. Where will teachers move if these raises don't go through?

                    In general, I agree, though. Teacher quality is a reason to keep teacher salaries high. No argument there. It's the market in action.

                    Furthermore, the only reason there possibly needs to be the kind of trade off that you're talking about is because of the inequities in the tax structure.
                    Resources are always limited no matter what and no matter how you structure your taxes.

                    Keep in mind as well that businesses can always pack up and leave (or not come in the first place) if they think your locality is a bad place to do business. (Then again, they will leave if the schools suck because no employee will want to live in places with bad schools). Business is everything. Without it, you are Detroit.

                    These dynamics mean that everyone has an interest in keeping public endeavors running efficiently with salaries that are neither "too high" nor "too low".

                    (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
                    Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

                    by Sparhawk on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 06:22:51 PM PDT

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                    •  Sure resources are always limited. (1+ / 0-)
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                      badscience

                      But a fair and equitable tax structure expands the financial pool.

                      BTW, business is not everything.  Sure it's important.  But without workers, business is nothing.  And, as you note, without QOL, businesses have a hard time attracting good workers.  And without equitable pay, who is going to buy the goods that business makes?

              •  Anyway, it's not really about the pay (5+ / 0-)

                Emanuel and his school board know it, but they and the media are keeping the focus on pay because it suits their "greedy union" framing. Ultimately, it's about the dignity of teachers and students, a decent working and learning environment, professional respect and standards, and fighting the crony capitalism and union busting at the heart of the charter school movement.

                "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is the first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk. Every state is totalitarian at heart; there are no ends to the cruelty it will go to to protect itself." -- Ian McDonald

                by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:02:47 PM PDT

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            •  I call troll. (2+ / 0-)
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              progressivist, Geenius at Wrok

              For what is the crime of the robbing of a bank compared to the crime of the founding of a bank? - Brecht

              by Joe Hill PDX on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 06:01:24 PM PDT

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            •  I live in Chicago and intend to have kids someday (1+ / 0-)
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              badscience

              so you had better believe it affects me. It affects whether I'll have the confidence to send my children to public schools or whether I'll have to bite the bullet and homeschool them. Because ain't no way we'll ever be able to afford private school tuition.

              "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is the first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk. Every state is totalitarian at heart; there are no ends to the cruelty it will go to to protect itself." -- Ian McDonald

              by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:00:19 PM PDT

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            •  If you don't pay more taxes, expect lousy schools (0+ / 0-)

              If the problem is tax resources, then it's really a values discussion.  Do you want high quality teachers?  You better expect to pay your teachers for working in one of the toughest cities to teach in the country.  

              •  This is the part that is so hypocritical (3+ / 0-)
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                of our society collectively. We have this narrative that we demand only absolutely excellent teachers and teachers all have to be micromanaged, endlessly tested, "evaluated" and punished in order to assure that not a single "bad' teacher is in any classroom — and then we whine that they are overpaid and it's our tax dollars and we're just "spending" them on — nothing. Some people talk as if the dollars are just vanishing into thin air or being pocketed by greedy people in return for nothing, when in fact we are getting value for those dollars — a public school system available to all children.

                So we need to be honest. If we don't want to spend the money, we need to admit we don't care about teacher quality and stop the endless discussion about "accountability" because it really doesn't matter to is. And if we really really care about having the highest quality teachers, we need to shut up about cost.

                Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

                by anastasia p on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 08:15:54 PM PDT

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            •  Sparhawk, (0+ / 0-)

              you say

              every dollar of a raise these teachers get as a result of this strike is a dollar pay cut for private taxpayers.
              What do those teachers do with the extra dollar? Don't they spend it or invest it, thereby returning the dollar back to business and its employees that you call private taxpayers? I'll gladly pay more taxes for education, as I know that ultimately it helps my community.
        •  They are trying to get a fair contract. (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Exactly. (8+ / 0-)

        It's the corporatist agenda of trying to divide public sector employees from private sector ones to accelerate the economic race to the bottom.

      •  Even here.. even here.. (8+ / 0-)

        there are those who do NOT understand how much they personally benefit from collective bargaining arrangements in public and private enterprise. They think that because they exist in the middle class, that they CREATED THE MIDDLE CLASS.

        Unions did. And what remains of the middle class is being fought for tooth and nail by a few diehard Union men and women, and each and every working person in America, union or non-union, had better pray they win.

        Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

        by OregonOak on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 05:48:06 PM PDT

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    •  What is unbelievable is (13+ / 0-)

      that you would throw this particular anti-union slop:

      "Were these union leaders born without a clue or does it come with the job?"
      . . . into this particular place.

      You may or may not know this, but these teachers are fighting and suffering for you, your children, and your friends.  They are trying to negotiate a difficult process in the midst of terrible conditions in a state that has specific language prohibiting them from negotiating working conditions (i.e., children's learning conditions) and expressing solidarity with the people.

      Rahm wants to close over a hundred schools and turn them over to the tender mercies of late stage capitalism.  That's not OK.  And thank the teachers for trying to prevent it.

      And, by the way, anyone who expresses concern for the disruption to children's lives caused by this strike but is OK with closing 120-odd schools is not only a hypocrite, but one who doesn't think very highly of your ability to think.

      For what is the crime of the robbing of a bank compared to the crime of the founding of a bank? - Brecht

      by Joe Hill PDX on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 05:56:03 PM PDT

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      •  Rahm was born without a clue (2+ / 0-)
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        Escalating his bullying is going to engender trust? This is a man who has put his city on a collision course with disaster. As a native Chicagoan, I really resent that.

        Flyer094

        Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

        by anastasia p on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 08:18:11 PM PDT

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    •  you can get a job like this (2+ / 0-)
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      Get a Master's degree and go teach.  No one's stopping you or anyone else from doing so.

    •  RedState. That way ----->. Thanks for playing. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Mayor to file court order... (3+ / 0-)
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    http://www.suntimes.com/...

    Then we will file suit against state claiming law is discriminatory (which it is, by the way) because all of the limits on bargaining and striking pertain ONLY to Chicago and not to any of the other districts in the state.  Thus, the law adversely affects minority students/teachers.

  •  Not the way to cement a deal (4+ / 0-)
    Occupied Chi Tribune ‏@OccupiedChiTrib
    RT @CatalystChicago: BREAKING: Rahm Emanuel says in statement he has ordered city to seek injunction against #CTUstrike
  •  I hope everyone remembers this...` (10+ / 0-)

    ...in 2015, when Rahmbo runs for reelection.

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 05:47:07 PM PDT

    •  God, I hope so too (3+ / 0-)
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      Note to Chicago voters: Please stop voting for whoever puts up the most signs. It is a BAD CRITERION.

      "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is the first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk. Every state is totalitarian at heart; there are no ends to the cruelty it will go to to protect itself." -- Ian McDonald

      by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:06:11 PM PDT

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  •  negotiate (0+ / 0-)

    and verify.

  •  Rahm lost this battle (6+ / 0-)

    And he does not lose gracefully, hence the lawsuit.  Stay strong my sisters and brothers.

  •  The teachers refused to vote because.... (0+ / 0-)

    They wanted to see how much more they could get?  It just proves its all about them and not about the students.

  •  I don't get it. (6+ / 0-)

    Union members go back to work all the time while awaiting the details of a contract; if the written version falls short of what was promised, the teachers can always go back out on strike.

    This strikes me as the union over-playing its hand and being needlessly provocative.

    I hate to say this, because I support what the union's been doing up to now.

    I fear the parent support the union had will evaporate overnight.

    •  I'm a CTU member and I tend to agree with you... (4+ / 0-)
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      This is a total PR battle.  The mayor is going to lose this either way, but it was possible for the Union to come out looking pretty good in the end.  

      It's my personal opinion that they (or is it we), has overplayed their (or is it our) hand.  I almost want the court to order us back to work so I can get back in front of my students.  

      •  It is a LOT harder and much more disruptive (3+ / 0-)
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        to return to a strike than it is to stay on it and find out the devil in the details. I think most people want this strike over, and here in Wisconsin - you know, where unions were basically outlawed - we're watching with great attention, and joining the teachers in solidarity.

      •  Luckily for the CTU, Emanuel overplayed his too (2+ / 0-)
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        by seeking to end the strike with an injunction.

        "Seventy-five percent of your members must approve before you go on strike!"

        "OK, 90 percent of our members vote yes."

        "What? Bullshit! Judge, make them stop!"

        No wonder the CTU doesn't trust Emanuel. Not only is he trying to move the goalposts, he's doing it while the game is still going on.

        "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is the first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk. Every state is totalitarian at heart; there are no ends to the cruelty it will go to to protect itself." -- Ian McDonald

        by Geenius at Wrok on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:11:37 PM PDT

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      •  you're better off getting it done once (4+ / 0-)

        Your mayor is not to be trusted.  If you go back to work without a solid deal, you are screwed.  

  •  They want it in writing? (8+ / 0-)

    Gee, you think they don't trust Rahm and his hand picked unelected school board?

    Imagination is more important than knowledge. Albert Einstein

    by michael in chicago on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 06:23:36 PM PDT

  •  Rahm should pull the deal. (1+ / 0-)
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    Teachers want to take three more days to strike - they'll quickly start losing any support they had as they're dragging their feet now for no real reason just because they can and force families to have to scramble to find sitters for their kids - again just because they feel like it.  

    We have a greed with which we have agreed. -Eddie Vedder "Society"

    by Jacoby Jonze on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 06:53:16 PM PDT

  •  I really dislike... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...Rham Emanuel..

    He is trying to solve the teen violence problem by extending the school day and generally shitting on the teachers in various ways.  Add to that his constant support of less than stelar candidates and he is a real problem for Democrats.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 10:22:30 PM PDT

  •  After 25 years of the corporate treadmill, (1+ / 0-)
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    they shouldn't trust anything less than IRONCLAD.

    Rahm says he'll seek an injunction. We'll see how that works out. Any appointed, sympathetic judge might be used. It's been tried before.

    The legal trick is probably within the recent labor law and whether the legislature in Springfield gave Rahm and BOE lawyers the loophole the judge might have to rule by. I can't remember that recent law's name or number, but it restricted negotiation items.  The loophole language they need might be in it.

    The CTU's rank and file have to make the labor lawyers fight it. There's also counter suing with the NLRB. Its own lawyers might advise.

    It looks as if Rahm's corporate boyz are outpacing the labor lawyers. Lewis' legal team must answer all the questions from the rank and file before they vote to go back to work.

    Chicago cannot be made into a company town.

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