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Mission: America founder and rabid homophobe Linda Harvey has done it again. She has outdone herself on the crazy meter... this time by suggesting to her listeners that they pull their children from schools that included anti-bullying programs to protect LGBTQ students, teachers, and other staff members.

Brian Tashman at RWW:

Mission America’s Linda Harvey notoriously urged parents last year to refuse care for their children from openly gay doctors and nurses, and today on her radio show told parents that they should consider removing their children from schools which have anti-bullying programs that affirm and protect LGBT students. A consistent and rancorous opponent of such bullying-prevention efforts who wishes that school counselors can practice ex-gay therapy, Harvey repeated her claims that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice and not a sexual orientation and warned that schools are teaching “false and immoral” beliefs about homosexuality through anti-bullying programs. She insisted that if parents cannot have their children removed from classes that discuss the issue of anti-gay bullying then they might want to consider withdrawing their children from the school altogether.
I think she's the biggest homophobic bigot on the Christian Right clown car, worse than even Bryan Fischer (and that's saying a lot).

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  •  Fine (7+ / 0-)

    Let them homeschool or send their kids to private religious schools. Then they won't be in our public schools demanding creationism be taught and critical thinking be stripped from the curriculum.

    •  I disagree with that (10+ / 0-)

      Those kids will have no exposure to reality and in all likelihood grow into adults with the right to vote. And, as we've seen, there are more then enough of them to cause harm in public policy for years to come. It's why this hatemonger is so afraid of these programs -- she knows they work. We need to find ways to reach those kids and school is a great place to do it.

      Every time Romney and Republicans mention Benghazi it proves they are the sort of opportunists that would mine for gold in a graveyard.

      by ontheleftcoast on Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 02:22:56 PM PDT

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      •  That reasoning... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...is actually why I would like to see homeschooling mostly banned in this country -- or much, much more rigidly controlled.  In my experience, two main types of people homeschool -- wacky liberals with gifted kids who have problems in a public school environment -- usually due to bullying, but often due to the fact that the school program is retarding their growth -- and crazy right-wingers who don't want their kids exposed to girls/boys/gays/jews/blacks/libruls/evil media/evil government/evil science/evil, liberal-based reality.  

        It seems like the latter type have by far overtaken the former type, and, for the good of the country, they must be stopped from being allowed to deliberately damage their children in this way.  They are creating the very opposite of a well-informed electorate.

    •  Theirs are the kids doing the bullying (3+ / 0-)

      She wants them pulled out before they are disciplined for anti-gay bullying.

  •  How is it that the Christian wingers complain (8+ / 0-)

    at the same time that they are viciously persecuted as a minority and deserve protections against their imaginary persecution, but anyone else who wants protection from persecution is merely exaggerating?

    To listen to some of these guys talk, you'd think that townspeople with pitchforks were coming for their churches.

    But those silly gays, the bullying really it GOOD for them, because it will convince them that if they want to be popular like little Billy, they would stop acting so gay and all.

    So really we're doing gay people a favor by bullying them.

    Everyone clear?

    I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

    by coquiero on Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 02:21:47 PM PDT

    •  It's their mythology (2+ / 0-)
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      lion's den and all that rot. I mock those fundies mercilessly when they complain about their treatment on the internet because of it. Their 'saints' and such got killed, supposedly, for their beliefs. Best they can do is get kicked off a blog or somesuch. Internet martyrs.

      "Governor Romney doesn't have a five-point plan, he has a one-point plan. And that plan is to make sure that folks at the top play by a different set of rules." -- President Obama

      by tytalus on Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 02:49:56 PM PDT

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    •  n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      To listen to some of these guys talk, you'd think that townspeople with pitchforks were coming for their churches.
      Instead of the people with pitchforks coming FROM their churches.

      (aka NobleExperiments). ‎"Those who make a peaceful revolution imposible make a violent revolution inevitable" ~ John F. Kennedy

      by smrichmond on Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 03:28:39 PM PDT

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  •  The irony here is, that people withdraw (6+ / 0-)

    their children due to bullying.

    It's time to call it what it is. The backlash against anti-bullying measures is to protect children from accusations of bullying when they proselytize and shun classmates for a variety of "differences".

    This is one of the biggest admissions of religious bullying I have witnessed in a long while. It might be indirect, but there it is.

    •  Bullying (2+ / 0-)
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      When we picked out a public school for our daughter, one of the first questions we asked was about their anti-bullying program. One school just said they don't have bullies. We eliminated that school from consideration, it seemed too much like they were sticking their heads in the sand. There are a whole lot of parents for whom an anti-bullying program is of prime concern.

      These people can be as anti-gay as they wish, but they need to mind their own business. Their attitudes toward gays doesn't give them the right to harass.

      Then there people who oppose anti-bullying because they have memories like Grandpa Simpson. For example, claiming that the streets used to be safe at night before anti-bullying rules, but now they are overrun with teenage gangs. First, the streets weren't that safe, and they overestimate the danger of the streets now. I've met people who have abolute bowel-loosening terror at coming into the "big bad city" even during the daytime, let alone at night. Of course, they can't explain why they think anti-bullying rules drives people to gangs, but they don't need to make sense.

      Then there are people who think that anti-bullying rules are bad because kids need to learn to "handle it for themselves". I'm an adult. If I'm harassed at work, I go to HR. If I'm harassed outside of work, I'll go to the police. Why is it only in school that we expect people to fend for themselves?

      There's the idea that all kids need to do is fight back, and the bullies will leave them alone. This of course assumed that the victim can beat up the bully. If they can't, the victim often gets pounded even harder. And even if they do beat them up, the bully may come back with friends to gang up on the victim And bullies are the biggest crybabies you will ever meet. When the victim fights back, bullies sometimes will pretend to be the victim.

      And when the victim fights back, even if they do get the bully to leave them alone, the bully just moves to someone weaker.

      The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

      by A Citizen on Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 03:47:36 PM PDT

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      •  Kids are not allowed to fight back, regardless of (2+ / 0-)
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        their abilities. If they do, they get in big trouble, and as you said the Bully plays the victim.

        I have no illusions about how things used to be, except that I was allowed to fight back if I wanted. But sometimes that wasn't prudent.

        People imagine that it's one on one, and often is not the case.

        I agree, also that we expect too much of children. I know from personal experience with bullied children, that adults expect them to put up with behavior that would normally be considered felonious.

        What the heck is up with that?

        I have also witnessed cases where Administrators and teachers joined in sadly enough. Parents too.  That's the worst. Kids know when either no one is in charge or the system is simply broken. They lose all hope right then and there.

        I am hopeful though, when I see so many people here, and on other forums standing up to this crap.

        I promise that I won't put up with my children bullying or harassing other kids or animals or anyone. That I actively, teach them better every chance I get. But I also will not stand for them being bullied. And I will breathe fire on anyone who suggests I let the kids work it out for themselves.

        They are kids. They need adult supervision, as both something to keep them out of harms way, and as an example of how to become an adult.

        I don't think it's too much to ask that from other parents, and if it needs to be, sit down and talk to those with an open mind about how to do that, how to accomplish it--if it's not above my pay grade.

        Just my thoughts.

        Keep fighting the good fight.

  •  Speaking as a Christian, (3+ / 0-)

    and a victim of bullying I can't say that I support this notion of pulling kids out of school because of programs designed to protect one of the most bullied groups of students around.

    Beating kids up, making them feel unloved and unwanted is not now, nor will it ever be, acceptable behaviour. Whatever your opinion of the LGBT community you shouldn't push kids into wanting to kill themselves. Its just not right.

  •  i'm just curious as to how effective (1+ / 0-)
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    ms. harvey's exhortation would be.

    do the majority of her listeners have children enrolled in public schools?  i'm curious as to the proportion of her listeners who send their children to religious schools or keep them schooled at home.

    that could put a crimp in her plans.

    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 02:59:26 PM PDT

  •  Friends of ours are a two-mom family with three (4+ / 0-)

    kids, two daughters and a son.  Two adopted, one through insemination by donor.  The son was bullied at school, who knows why.  He is gifted, tested as very high IQ, extremely smart; just different, is all.  Plus, of course, he has two moms.  He was treated terribly in 5th and 6th grade, and the teachers and principal did NOTHING even though they knew about it.  Upshot was, when his parents found out, they threatened to sue the school unless the school installed an anti-bullying program.  Which it did, and which was a tremendous success that made a big difference.  So big, that our son, who has two moms, and who is also gifted and creative and different, and who is in the exact same elementary and middle school that their kid was, has not had to go through the hell that their child went through.  

    But it isn't just LGBT families that benefit from anti-bullying programs.  ALL kids and families benefit.  There are all kinds of differences, and all kinds of different kids.  And none of them deserve bullying.

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Tue Oct 23, 2012 at 04:52:04 PM PDT

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