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"Let there be rape babies," God did not say.
Hey, ladies, good news! You can unclutch those pearls, untwist those panties, and put down the smelling salts because that whole unpleasantness from the other day—you know, when yet another Republican man 'splained to us how rape babies are just God's way of saying, "Hey, girl, I like you"—is over now. Because Republican men say so.

Like radical bra-burning man-hating feminazi John McCain:

"In the years that I’ve been around, I’ve made a few ... and I’ve asked for people's understanding and forgiveness when I won't — when I own up to it. It’s when you don't own up to it when people will not believe you," McCain said in an interview Wednesday on CNN.

On Thursday, McCain repeated his support for Mourdock, and said he accepted the Indiana Treasurer's apology for his remarks at a Wednesday press conference.

Right. It's A-okay with McCain because Mourdock owned up his mistake and admitted he was wrong and begged forgiveness—by blaming Democrats:
In a press conference Wednesday, Mourdock accused Democrats of miscasting the meaning of his comments. [...]

"I think it's wrong when someone wants to take what I said and twist it," Mourdock said.

You can really feel the remorse, can't you?

But in case McCain forgiving Mourdock isn't persuasive enough, Rick Santorum, who is the Republican Party's foremost expert on how rape babies are a gift from God, also defended Mourdock:

He didn't say rape was a gift from God. You'd have to contort words beyond meaning to get that understanding of it.
Well, if there's one guy who knows which words to use to explain that rape is a gift from God, it's Santorum, who once explained to impregnated rape victims that their rape babies are "nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life," and rape victims should "accept what God has given to you." Goal Thermometer

See? McCain and Santorum are okay with what Mourdock said. And Mitt Romney "disagrees" with Mourdock, but he's still supporting Mourdock's Senate race, so it's not like what Mourdock said was that bad.

So clearly it's time for us to let it go, move on, stop politicizing politics, and thank God for his gift of rape babies and the Republican menfolk who are here to explain to us just how blessed we truly are.

Not ready to move on and get over it yet? Please give $3 to each of our Daily Kos-endorsed women candidates for the House and Senate, so we can send more, better women to Congress to fight back against the Republicans' War on Women.

Originally posted to Kaili Joy Gray on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:27 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Well, yeah. (24+ / 0-)

    It's not like women vote or anything.

    Or think.  That's why they have husbands and fathers.

    And women are made to get pregnant, so it's not like getting pregnant from being raped actually hurts them or anything.

    Excuse me while I go throw up.

    I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. -- Thomas Jefferson

    by nilajean on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:32:48 AM PDT

    •  Colbert's graphic on rape talk being acceptable (8+ / 0-)

      and how it plummeted after the 19th Amendment was ratified was "the awzum". But how many Republicans want to see the 19th (along with the 14th, 16th, 17th, and 24th) Amendments overturned? I've even heard Republican women saying they think the 19th Amendment is a bad idea.

      Every time Romney and Republicans mention Benghazi it proves they are the sort of opportunists that would mine for gold in a graveyard.

      by ontheleftcoast on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:42:06 AM PDT

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    •  I am a white male senior citizen... (13+ / 0-)

      and I am embarrassed (and even apologetic) for my gender.

      Special thanks to Kaili Joy Gray for staying focused on this critical issue, and for reminding us time and time again about what really matters - not just on November 6 but all day, every day.

      Think. It's not illegal - yet.

      by jpw on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:47:22 AM PDT

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      •  No you don't, jpw. (6+ / 0-)

        You don't go dragging us men into this! This is a rightwing male brain disease.

        I will NOT be included in this special kind of stupid.

        I leave the lid up sometimes. I don't tell my wife, sister or mother what they should do with their gender-specific parts, and they don't tell me what to do with my tower of power. (Or my sack o' joe weeah.)

        My wife is a better driver. I am a better slayer of spiders. I'm a better speller. She's a better judge of character. On most all else, we are equals, and that's how we run our mutual world.

        My actions are not fogged by teachings that someone taught someone who taught someone else who taught someone ad nauseum from a book cobbled together a couple millenia ago and translated a half dozen times, sometimes with political intentions and is interpreted by each reader to satisfy their own pre-conceived notions. Useta be there. Got out. Not going back.

        Idiots. Poor misdirected fools. I'd say they mean well, but in so many cases, they've shown they don't.

        I am NOT one of them!

        I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

        by Gentle Giant on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:17:47 PM PDT

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        •  asdf... (0+ / 0-)

          HOw many women are voting Repbulic this year?  Don't women constitute the largest demographic of voters in the country?

          Why do people who call you RETARDED get elected to office? HMMM?

          by ChiTownDenny on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:37:11 PM PDT

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        •  Well said. Me too! Cosmic Bullshit Chauvanism (2+ / 0-)
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          One of the concepts that always turned me off was like Kaili's picture above-Who ever decided to lay it on the rest of creation that "God" was an old white man? What a joke.  As a young man and even now I much prefer "God" as a woman-whether a beautiful young Goodess or Mother Nature. This Cosmic Chauvanism is the basic source of a lot of the crap that we all have to put up with and I call bullshit!

          I am pro-life. Bring our troops home ALIVE!

          by Doc Allen on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43:13 PM PDT

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          •  I just basically wrote a treatise of my concept (1+ / 0-)
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            of "God". I realized it made me sound a tad insane, so I deleted all but this:

            At any rate, the image most believers carry of God is so infantile, so humanly fallible. Why would anyone want to worship a being that has so many of the worst human traits? For me, "I am a jealous God." is an oxymoron.
            I'll leave it at that. But if you are ever in the neighborhood and would like an entertaining and intense conversation about a couple of "supra"-natural events I experienced, one of them shared, I'd love to do so over a couple of superb microbrews.
            The events destroyed any connections to organized religion that I'd had and made it impossible for me to believe in the biblical God. And left me much better off and freer to love with impunity.

            I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

            by Gentle Giant on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 01:54:31 PM PDT

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          •  Many years ago I read a book (1+ / 0-)
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            Titled Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do.  It was mostly an anti-drug war argument, but along the way the author (whose name I cannot remember) took on several societal conventions.  One of them was the concept of an old white man with a beard.  One of his suggestions for having fun with these people still stuck in the 15th century was to ask them if God had a penis.

            I've never actually had the nerve to do it, but the thought has given me hours of amusement over the years.

            I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. -- Thomas Jefferson

            by nilajean on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 04:02:19 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  Speaking of owning up, when will we ever get... (12+ / 0-)

    The Ol' Boat Anchor's apology for his running-mate selection?

    The Republican brand: "Consequences, schmonsequences, as long as I'm rich"

    by D in Northern Virginia on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:33:41 AM PDT

  •  The energy and atoms (8+ / 0-)

    of Aristophanes weep in the universe.  He'd love another shot at writing Lysistrata.

    Sadly, it seems asshole, women hating republican men can still find women who will accommodate their woodies.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:36:23 AM PDT

  •  I have written the following LTE... (20+ / 0-)

    ...to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram about Mitt Romney's endorsement of this Richard Mourdock:

    I am very troubled that your newspaper has endorsed a candidate, Mitt Romney, who has shown a complete lack of principle and integrity during this campaign.
    I am even more troubled that the candidate that you endorsed for president has refused to withdraw his endorsement of an Indiana U.S. Senate candidate, Richard Mourdock, despite remarks by Mourdock that pregnancies resulting in rape are "something God intended."
    If Romney won't stand up to the extremists of his party like Mourdock, why should he be trusted to stand up to international bullies like the dictators of North Korea and Syria?
    Your endorsement of Mitt Romney was an act of horrendous judgment, and the best service you can do is to withdraw it at once.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

    by alaprst on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37:26 AM PDT

    •  As an old Ft. Worth boy now ... (1+ / 0-)
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      living in the SF Bay Area, I was sad to see my old newspaper endorse Romney. Often, they can be amazingly liberal or at least independent,unlike the consistently right wing Dallas Morning News.

      •  You'd expect editorial stupidity... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...from the DMN with its long history of endorsing GOP candidates. Remember, however, that this is also the same Star-Telegram that endorsed George W. Bush over John Kerry in 2004 before endorsing the current president in 2008.

        "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

        by alaprst on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:55:46 AM PDT

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      •  The DMN endorsed the president. Dallas is more (0+ / 0-)

        blue than Ft. Worth.

        "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

        by glorificus on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 09:35:49 AM PDT

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    •  "sufficient to nix the GOP politician's campaign (0+ / 0-)

      ...for office."
      IMO the GOP politicians have perfected this technique: First the politician gets a GOP talking head recommendation. Then,needing a voter boost in anticipated numbers, makes an obnoxious statement to appeal to his/her base. Following which the talking head withdraws
      recommendation & the politician apologizes having achieved his point
      with his base & the sub rosa wink which allows the talking head to endorse once again.
      And to think that the GOP once called Clinton
      "Slick Willie".

  •  It is actually really funny that Romney (13+ / 0-)

    "disagrees" while the others are, in effect, claiming that Mourdock didn't really mean what he said.

    What does Romney disagree with if Mourdock didn't really mean what he said?

    Which leaves us with what seems to be a question that the Romney campaign just can't seem to stop from coming up repeatedly which is, "What does Mr. Romney really believe?"

    •  Confuse, divide, conquer, win (0+ / 0-)

      It's worked before. It will work again. Most likely not this year. I hope dearly.

      "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

      by DaddyO on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:57:53 AM PDT

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      •  Well, it is no secret that everyone in the (0+ / 0-)

        political class is into doing everything in their power to keep their candidates as undefined as they can when they are campaigning, but that's not really what the Romney camp has done at all.  They've had him commit to stuff all over the place.  Trying to keep up with him is like playing whack-a-mole.  

        It isn't confusing because it is too tiresome to think of it as anything more than irritating after a certain point.

        It isn't really dividing anyone because he doesn't stay in one place long enough to actually gin up the support he would need on either side to pit them against each other.

        And it certainly doesn't have an air of "conquer" because he runs away so fast its hard to remember where he's been.  The flag planting moment never happens so no one ever remembers wtf he was doing there in the first place.

        Anyway, I don't vote for people who make me dizzy with their political shifts.

    •  He believes (2+ / 0-)
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      that the God that gifts women with rape babies has decreed that he must become president. And make obscene money for doing nothing, of course.

      Remember what happened when we turned the country over to that dumbass rich kid? So now we're thinking about doing it again? Really?

      by DaveW on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:59:09 AM PDT

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  •  It's PREGNANCY from rape that's a gift from God. (15+ / 0-)

    Kind of a consolation prize for all that ugly stuff. Or a souvenir, depending on how you look at it.

  •  Seriously, is this going to cost repubs this seat? (8+ / 0-)

    Could we get a pickup here?

    I have never been able to figure out if Fox is the propaganda arm of the Republican party or is the Republican Party the political subsidiary of Fox.

    by Dave from Oregon on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:38:51 AM PDT

  •  If god can control (15+ / 0-)

    the products of rape....why can't she stop the rape?

    You can fool "some" of the people all of the time. Abe Lincoln was right.

    by regis on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:38:56 AM PDT

  •  Hey Kaili, (5+ / 0-)

    whilst you are twisting Mourdock's words again, I am waiting to make a judgement until I hear what Todd Akin has to say.  Ya know, THEN it will be definitive and this conversation will be over.

    "We will never have the elite, smart people on our side."~Little Ricky Santorum

    by Dahankster on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:39:34 AM PDT

  •  I see Santorum can lie as blithely as Romney. (5+ / 0-)
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    Should be a wonderful GOP primary in 2016 between Ryan and Santorum.

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:40:32 AM PDT

  •  no matter how you phrase this (11+ / 0-)

    it looks like Romney is taking the side of rapists.
    and it is.

    "With malice toward none, with charity for all..." -Abraham Lincoln not a modern republican

    by live1 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:40:41 AM PDT

  •  so .. I was thinking (12+ / 0-)

    if getting pregnant from rape is God's will and we should not thwart it, then we should not do anything about heart attacks or male erectile problems because those too are the will of God.  And God forbid that we should think of transplants .. if the part was meant to work, God woulda made it last.

    But maybe God's will (wrath) is only for female bodies or since the GOP is against the ACA for female and indigent bodies.

    "Life without liberty is like a body without spirit. Liberty without thought is like a disturbed spirit." Kahlil Gibran, 'The Vision'

    by CorinaR on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:40:44 AM PDT

    •  Oh defintely, (2+ / 0-)
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      chesterm, drmah

      the Goddess has spoken and those erectile disfunction "problems" are truly her gift.........

      As of 02/22/2012 in Washington State pharmacists can exercise their "religious freedom" by denying women access to Plan B because the judge thinks there aren't any bigots in this state.

      by FlamingoGrrl on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:01:01 PM PDT

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    •  What did the fundie Muslim say... (0+ / 0-)

      ...as his car, doing 90 on the curvy mountain road, blasted through the barrier, careened off the road, through the air like a rocket down into the 1,000 foot canyon?

      "In-sh'Allah....!" (The will of God) Then he thanked God his wife's veil remained in place, all the way down...

      The American Taliban isn't THAT stupid. Or so they 'believe'.

      "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

      by DaddyO on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:03:05 PM PDT

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    •  This sounds familiar to me. (4+ / 0-)

      This is the exact line my neighbor used on me to tell me why he wanted to repeal Obamacare.   He told me that, according to Republican beliefs, if I got cancer, then that meant that God had decided that I was supposed to die of cancer and that trying to get so-called "treatment" was offensive to God, because I was trying to subvert God's will.   Therefore, America does not need Obamacare, because Obamacare helps people get so-called "treatment" for illness.

      We are truly beyond screwed if these people EVER get the presidency again.

  •  nyuk nyuk nyuckleheads... (3+ / 0-)

    I didn't get Jack from Abramoff...I'm not a Republican!

    by nonnie9999 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:41:14 AM PDT

    •  Where ya been, kiddo? (0+ / 0-)

      Long time Stooges fan AND nonnie9999 fan. I hereby grant full ersatz artistic permission to equate my comedy heroes with the worst of the GOP. After all…Moe played Hitler in the very first major studio film to actually satirize Nazis. I'd like to think he would have been right there to step up and help out Progressives today.

      "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

      by DaddyO on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:08:54 PM PDT

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      •  hi daddyo!! (0+ / 0-)

        so sorry that i didn't answer sooner.  i've been really busy lately.  that's the reason i haven't been posting at the raisin too much or commenting over here lately.  i've been fighting with an achy arm and hand as well as a computer that suddenly turns off for no apparent reason.  my sister and i just started our own little business, too, and that keeps me really busy.

        i hope that moe and the boys would approve of my using their movies for inspiration.  i thank you profusely for your permission.  ;-)

        mmmwwaahhhh!!!!

        I didn't get Jack from Abramoff...I'm not a Republican!

        by nonnie9999 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 01:43:30 PM PDT

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  •  I want a reporter to force these guys (9+ / 0-)

    to walk through the line of logic...

    Rape fetus=gift from god
    Rape=Satan being Satan?

    Is God just trying to make these ladies feel better for what Satan went and did to them... ladies like babies, right?

    -9.13, -7.79 All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.

    by L0kI on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:42:04 AM PDT

    •  Bad Religion (4+ / 0-)

      Those dime-store Republican mystics are speaking in tongues and talking out of their asses.

      "Societies strain harder and harder to sustain the decadent opulence of the ruling class, even as it destroys the foundations of productivity and wealth." — Chris Hedges

      by Crider on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:46:58 AM PDT

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    •  I am not religious, so maybe (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm just not getting the logic here. But if a child born out of rape is "God's plan," then how is it any different from a pregnancy where the life of the mother is at stake?

      •  They're twisting their anti-abortion agenda (0+ / 0-)

        Those idiots have always thumped their bibles in defense of their stupid agenda — even though not a single word in their bible forbids abortion. As a matter of fact, there's a passage in Ecclesiastes that seems to defend it!

        To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
        A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

        "Societies strain harder and harder to sustain the decadent opulence of the ruling class, even as it destroys the foundations of productivity and wealth." — Chris Hedges

        by Crider on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:58:32 AM PDT

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      •  I've never understood it (3+ / 0-)
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        If your premise is: fetus=life, then there can be no exceptions.  They only make the exceptions because no one in their right mind would accept forcing a 13 year old to have her father's baby, or letting a pregnant woman bleed out...

        -9.13, -7.79 All of this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.

        by L0kI on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:00:44 PM PDT

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      •  Don't even try (2+ / 0-)
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        When you do, irreparable brain damage can occur. The evidence is all around us, right here, everywhere.

        "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

        by DaddyO on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:11:16 PM PDT

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    •  yeah - if you're a Christian, you have to (1+ / 0-)
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      believe in Satan, right? And that He's out walking up & down in the World doing His thing? So why can't it be that a rape conception is something that comes from The Evil One - Whose works they all swear to overthrow?

      "Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right." - Isaac Asimov

      by greenotron on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:13:14 PM PDT

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      •  I think most mainline Christians (0+ / 0-)

        do believe in evil, but I am not sure we believe in Satan as a "person" - any more than many of us believe in God the Creator as an old man sitting up in heaven on a cloud.  

        The Orthodox, however, DO believe that God the Creator is God the Father - literally a being who is male.  I never asked them one way or the other about Satan.

    •  That is just it (0+ / 0-)

      LOkI , the msm refuse to hold these people accountable for their comments , the cbs national news reported this last night and pretty much just said mourdock apologized for it , once I read what mourdock really said , I was appalled that they would try and pass that off as a real apology , I hope the local media are covering this properly , but I doubt it , the gop get a pass every time , while dems are anally held accountable by the press every time

  •  Swell, (5+ / 0-)
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    I'm glad they've forgiven themselves. How many more centuries will it take for women to be extricated from this pit of despair?

    "In the depth of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer."- Albert Camus

    by valadon on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:45:34 AM PDT

    •  A good start would be taking the Big Three on (0+ / 0-)

      Nov. 6.

      "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

      by glorificus on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 09:40:19 AM PDT

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  •  I love how McCain has no problem (13+ / 0-)

    endorsing a guy with as indescribably repulsive ideas as Mourdock but on the very same day goes on an insane old-man rant to Colin Powell about endorsing Obama his 'feckless' foreign policy.  

    McCain: Forcing women to carry and give birth to a child created against their will by a forced violent act--GOOD

    Ending a pointless war, killing the terrorist who murdered thousands of Americans on 9/11 and reestablishing American credibility in the world--BAD

    The man has officially lost all touch with reality.  What a sad, sad decline.

  •  I can never... (3+ / 0-)
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    Angie in WA State, drmah, LSophia

    ..understand how apologizing for saying what you sincerely believe is a political winner.

    Mourdock said what he really believed, & his Tea Party fanbase loved him for it.

    Yet in order to appease all the national infidels, Mourdock is forced to pretend he really doesn't  mean what he really believes.

    I don't see how all these bait & switch acts keeps Mourdock, Akin,  etc. in good stead with their fellow nutjobs (aka, the Republican Party).

     These people actually win elections by apologizing for saying what the sincerely believe.  I'm not even going to try to figure it out.

    "You just gotta keep on livin man! L-I-V-I-N!" - Wooderson

    by wyvern on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:47:03 AM PDT

  •  When the word "rape" (4+ / 0-)

    ..is inextricably connected in people's minds when they think of your political party..

    You're doing it wrong.

    Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch of a**holes.

    Perhaps one day the Fourth Estate will take their jobs seriously. Or not..

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:48:50 AM PDT

  •  Well, it's not like (4+ / 0-)

    McCain has ever called his wife a c*nt or a trollop or anything...

    CNN has called it: Luke Skywalker vs. the Death Star is a tie!

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:48:54 AM PDT

  •  I take back what I said about McCain having a (1+ / 0-)
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    drmah

    "core" compared to Romney.

    Yeah, he's got a core: a rotten apple core.

    Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more. Shakespeare, Henry V

    by Wildthumb on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:49:41 AM PDT

  •  Not One Testicle Among GOP Men, But . . . (4+ / 0-)

    there is an abundance of situational remorse!  These sick dudes are walking texts on abnormal psychology, Freudisms in suits, and sick, sick minds in urgent need of therapy.

    So, a drunk man in a trailer park somewhere rapes repeatedly the twelve-year-old daughter of his live-in woman and impregnates her.  The girl, traumatized beyond fathoming, suffers all that pain and shame and fear - and then must be forced by assholes like Santorum and Mourdock and Ryan and Aiken to have that child!  And that is God's will???????????????????

    What reasoning person, what moral person, what thinking person, what compassionate person would ever believe that God wished that degradation upon anyone, let alone a child?  

    None!

  •  It makes sense. (1+ / 0-)
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    Angie in WA State

    Forced birth = more soldiers for unforced wars.

    CNN has called it: Luke Skywalker vs. the Death Star is a tie!

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:49:50 AM PDT

  •  So,,, it's ok to rape women now, but I still (8+ / 0-)

    have to fear for my life if I smoke pot?

    #republicanpriorities

    The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

    by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:51:20 AM PDT

  •  Thank god they told me it was ok! (3+ / 0-)
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    My lady brain was starting to get all confused because of the onset of the menses.

    Men are wonderful.

    2012 bumper sticker: GOP = Greed.Oppression.Poverty

    by Barbie02360 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:51:46 AM PDT

  •  Well, I'll give Mourdock (3+ / 0-)
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    the benefit of the doubt, and believe that he didn't mean rape was a gift from God.  Fine.

    But his statement is offensive in so many other ways.  If the pregnancy is a "gift from God", so you have to keep the baby, he's totally discounting the trauma of the attack.  And for many rape survivors, undergoing a nine month pregnancy and giving birth would just perpetuate the trauma.  Not to mention that, regardless of whether the baby is given up for adoption or not, there is now a real person out there that is the product of an evil, violent act.  I don't see that as a gift from God.  That is punishment for a woman's sin of getting herself raped - this is the true, underlying sentiment at work here and in all the recent GOP rape statements.

    And on another level, I am sick and tired of politicians preaching publicly about their faith and then whining when they get attacked for it.  I really don't care what Mourdock believes, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let him legislate my beliefs.  We have really got to stop all of this religious talk in politics.  Thomas Jefferson must be rolling in his grave...

    "Mediocrity cannot know excellence." -- Sherlock Holmes

    by La Gitane on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:51:55 AM PDT

  •  Official: Right Wingers are souless lying monsters (5+ / 0-)

    16 yo Daughter: Dad, I’ve been raped and now I’m carrying the rapists child

    Dad: Honey, you’ve been blessed by God, this is what he intended.

    Daughter: But I don’t want to spend the next 9 months carrying this child.  I need that time to heal my body and mind.  To get my life back to normal.  To recover from the violation and destruction of my person and dignity.  I can’t do that while each day getting more and more obviously pregnant with my attackers child.

    Dad: God works in mysterious ways His wonders to behold.  This isn’t about you anymore, its about that special bundle of love you are now carrying.

    Daughter:  Dad, can you explain to me on what level you, God and the rapist are any different?

    Right wing hypocrisy:

    Prior to birth:  “A fetus is a precious life, a gift from God, sacred, and to be protected even above the health, safety and emotional sanity of the mother.”

    After birth: “The little bastard can die in the gutter for all I care, why is it my responsibility to care for some whore’s mistake?”

    You know what Right Wingers call a single mother with 5 children from 3 different fathers?   A slut.

    Tell these RW’s that the woman has had only 3 boyfriends in her life but got pregnant because she was too poor to afford birth control (or that her insurance company didn’t provide it because her employer was opposed to contraception on ‘religious’ grounds).  Then what do they call her?  A slut.

    Tell them that she could have gotten a back ally abortion and been better off financially without five extra mouths to feed but “chose life”.  What do they call her then?  A slut.

    I am sick to death of these wastes of skin who have supposed compassion only for the unborn and none for the already born.  I am fed up with the double talk, double standards, Orwellian reasoning of these loathsome “Pro-Life” right wingers.

    They are not “pro-life”.  They are pro-suffering.  Anything that causes people pain, suffering, loss, hardship and/or difficulty they are all for.  Any attempt at doing something – ANYTHING – to alleviate that suffering is “socialism”, “tyranny”, “dependence”, “enabling” or whatever other dumbass codeword they come up with to dismiss being humane.

    These people have crossed the threshold.  They disgust me.

    Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

    by LiberalCanuck on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:52:04 AM PDT

  •  Another thread touched on this, (0+ / 0-)

    but I really don't see why everyone is shocked at Mourdock.

    Purely logically:

    If an embryo is a person, then abortion is killing a human being.

    We as a society -- left and right -- agree that children are not in any way responsible for the actions of their parents.

    Therefore, the said embryo -- person -- is innocent.

    Again, we as a society, left and right, all agree that to kill an innocent person is murder.

    Therefore, if you accept "personhood" of the embryo, Mourdock's comment necessarily follows. And a huge chunk of the GOP, if not the majority, accept this.

  •  Is rape a sin at least? (1+ / 0-)
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    Forgive my ignorance on biblical matters - but does the whole Bible actually say nothing on rape?

    Not lying with men is all the rage, but crickets on raping women? Does rape at least qualify for a sin? Or is it - you know - just a gift from god to men?

    Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -- Philip K. Dick

    by RandomGuyFromGermany on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:52:25 AM PDT

  •  A backwards party (3+ / 0-)
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    Whether Mourdock or Akin or Allen West, these fringe crazies have become mainstream within the GOP and have made their bizarre and offensive beliefs on women and privacy rights the core agenda of the party. And Romney backs them all. Mitt and his campaign can seek to distance themselves from these comments all they want. The bottom line is that Romney and Ryan are cutting ads for these folks and talking just like them to get conservative votes. Republicans just can't seem to help themselves in giving in to their worst core ideology and most offensive positions that ultimately cost them elections.  -  progressive

  •  Rape = Bad (5+ / 0-)

    Rape Pregnancy = Awesome Gift!!1!

    Got it.

    What bothers me most is the dispassionate manner in which he simply dispenses with any possible problems or concerns his viewpoint may cause women who don't share his worldview. So arrogant and hostile as to defy belief. And still he wants sympathy because yesterday was the "worst day of my life." It never ends with these idiots.

  •  GOPer men forgive GOPer men for women-attacking (4+ / 0-)

    remarks?  How magnanimous--as well as insulting, offensive and disgusting of them.

    How dare they? Who do these men think they are to "forgive" the public voicing of (what is for too many of them--their own private beliefs) chilling endorsement of rape.  

    Since they have a "no exception" view if one hears their extremist "no exception to their  "beliefs" it follows that the must also endorse the use of rape as a weapon of war:  

    ...as a way for attackers to perpetuate their social control and redraw ethnic boundaries...(and the use of systematic rape  as part of the strategy of ethnic cleansing...

    They must endorse rape even in these circumstances, because in their extremist views, if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant, she must have the child.  If women are deliberately raped for the purposes of "ethnic cleansing", then the "no exception" republicans apparently are okay with that too.

  •  GOP Christians are all about forgiveness (2+ / 0-)
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    Of THEMSELVES.

    "I feel a lot safer already."--Emil Sitka

    by DaddyO on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:53:44 AM PDT

  •  If rape babies are a "gift from God", (2+ / 0-)
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    then it becomes the duty of good Republicans to encourage God to give women even more gifts. I mean, who doesn't want gifts from God? More presents under the Christian tree, right? So if the Reps are at all principles, they will be compelled by their alleged consciences to make sure the USA quits frustrating God by interfering with God's special way of gifting women.

    The final proof that there's no daylight between the Republican Party and the Taliban.

    Remember what happened when we turned the country over to that dumbass rich kid? So now we're thinking about doing it again? Really?

    by DaveW on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:53:58 AM PDT

    •  Exactly. If you assume that God exists and is (0+ / 0-)

      good (omnibenevolent) then anything God does is also good, right?  Therefore if rape babies are a "gift from God" that means the rape was a good act (because God is incapable of evil).  Since it is wrong to punish someone for doing a good act, that means it would be wrong to punish the rapist.  Therefore rape should be legal.  Yet again, pure logic shows just how crazy they really are.  Oh, and putting all this in the proper format with all the fancy formal notation and symbols is left as an exercise for whoever wants it.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 01:18:26 PM PDT

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  •  So the Gnostics (1+ / 0-)
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    Believed that the reason bad things happened to good people was not that it was "God's Will" or some sort of punishment for "original sin" but that because a lesser heavenly entitiy created the world and that was why the world was messed up.

    And that God brought Jesus forward who healed all, forgave people, and preached a gospel of help to sort of show them the way back.

    So when it's God's will maybe we should ask "which god"

  •  Not that we aren't paying attention or anything... (3+ / 0-)
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    So here in MA, Sen Scott Brown "distanced himself" from Mourdock in the press yesterday, declaring himself a "pro-choice republican" and the boston herald (a MURDOCH paper) blessed him w/an endorsement, mean time we were receiving colorful over-sized postcards from a national right-to-life group ENDORSING Brown as their right-to-life candidate! A copy of the postcard is posted here: http://www.dailykos.com/...

    SUPPORT ELIZABETH WARREN!!!

    Women are 51% of the population yet are represented in congress by barely 17%! Until our representation reflects the population, we risk sliding backwards .....

    by 51percent on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:55:11 AM PDT

  •  You mean it's OK for me to remove the aspirin from (4+ / 0-)

    between my knees?

    You sure?  

    As of 02/22/2012 in Washington State pharmacists can exercise their "religious freedom" by denying women access to Plan B because the judge thinks there aren't any bigots in this state.

    by FlamingoGrrl on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:55:25 AM PDT

  •  The father of modern conservatism says (5+ / 0-)
    “Today’s so-called ‘conservatives’ don’t even know what the word means. They think I’ve turned liberal because I believe a woman has a right to an abortion. That’s a decision that’s up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right. It’s not a conservative issue at all.”
    Yes, Barry Goldwater said that.  It's funny to think Barry Goldwater couldn't get traction in this Republican party.  

    Abortion is the ultimate woman's issue.  

  •  God still hasn't forgiven the state of Arizona for (2+ / 0-)
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    keeping McCain in the Senate all these years.  Clearly, that is why we have been visited with locusts, drought, and Jan Brewer.

  •  Not that this changes anything (0+ / 0-)

    but no, I don't see any of the Republicans saying that rape is a gift from God. If you believe

    a) that God exists, and
    b) that God gave us free will, and
    c) that God breaths magic life dust into each conceived zygote

    then what they're saying is that the rapist acted of his own free will (not God's), but God went ahead and breathed that magic life dust into the rape zygote anyway. Because, I guess, people have free will, but God does not. Or something.

    Let us all have the strength to see the humanity in our enemies, and the courage to let them see the humanity in ourselves.

    by Nowhere Man on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:56:15 AM PDT

    •  Awkward phrasing there (0+ / 0-)

      Change "If you believe" to "If you can accept for the sake of argument"... , etc.

      Let us all have the strength to see the humanity in our enemies, and the courage to let them see the humanity in ourselves.

      by Nowhere Man on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:58:01 AM PDT

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  •  If pregnancy due to rape is a gift from God... (1+ / 0-)
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    and what God intended to happen, so was the rape. Responsibility for the former means responsibility for the latter.  

    The only contorting of words here is being done by the uterus enslavers.

    Mitt Romney treats people like things. And he treats things - corporations - like people.

    by richardak on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:56:27 AM PDT

  •  We need to be accurate (3+ / 0-)

    Richard Mourdock did not say that rape is a gift from g-d.  In order to know whether you are one of the lucky "rapees," you have to wait and see whether you were impregnated.  This is why they also oppose emergency contraception.  It ruins the drama.  If a woman is going to be raped, we might as well see if she gets pregnant so that we know whether this was a bad rape, or a gift from g-d rape.  For Richard Mourdock, not knowing whether the rape was a bad rape or gift from g-d rape is like the rest of us not knowing if Tony Soprano died at the end of the show's finale.

    This is honestly what he believes.  I never thought I'd ever utter these words, but I miss Dick Lugar.

    "He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." - J.S. Mill

    by dmsarad on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:58:00 AM PDT

  •  gawd has decided Mourdock will lose the election. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  putting the republic in Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 11:59:16 AM PDT

  •  disarm the rapists (0+ / 0-)

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:00:22 PM PDT

  •  From a fetal perspective if the rape is God's will (0+ / 0-)

    ...then so is the abortion, no?  

    Let all Bush tax cuts expire and , bring on the Sequestration cuts to defense.

    by kck on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:00:41 PM PDT

  •  A question to ask female GOP politicians.... (3+ / 0-)
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    If you were raped and became pregnant as a result, would you consider it a gift from God and thus obligated to keep the child?

    It would be interesting to hear the responses.

    Mitt Romney treats people like things. And he treats things - corporations - like people.

    by richardak on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:01:42 PM PDT

  •  Rape Baby sez: (1+ / 0-)
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    "Hi Daddy. Ive been looking forward to meeting you. Why are you wearing an orange jumpsuit?"

  •  What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander (0+ / 0-)

    -- He didn't say "you didn't build that". You'd have to contort words beyond meaning to get that understanding of it.

  •  It is just so (5+ / 0-)

    mind-numbingly, jaw-droppingly, surreally stupid.

    Their half-assed, no, fully-assed, attempts at explaining away their gaffes just show how clueless they really are. They really.don't.get.it.

    They know women are upset, but can't understand why, other than it's about abortion and broads are touchy about that subject- especially liberal, godless broads.

    It's like using a concrete slab for a trampoline. They don't have the intellectual substance to know why what they've said is outrageous.

    Stupifying.

    I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

    by Gentle Giant on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:03:45 PM PDT

    •  Abortion attitudes don't break along gender lines (1+ / 0-)
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      for the most part, but along party lines (making it more an issue of partisan politics than of gender politics).  For whatever reason, many people peddling the "war on women" meme failed to understand that.

      •  I think you're right, but (0+ / 0-)

        the "War on Women" meme has the benefit of proferring appeal across political boundaries. It ignores partisanship and can appeal to women not prone to liberal thought.

        I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

        by Gentle Giant on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 01:58:08 PM PDT

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        •  Possibly in theory (1+ / 0-)
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          But not, I think, in practice.  The meme is superficially nonpartisan but substantively highly partisan, which is one reason it has not gained more traction with those women (or men, for that matter) who are not already predisposed to vote Democrat. I have the impression that nearly everyone else regards it as at least faintly cynical.

          •  I wonder how much of (0+ / 0-)

            that reticence to view the issue as other than partisan would indicate that women leaning rightward don't believe there is anything really at stake- that it is pure rhetoric intended to garner votes from a certain faction of the base?

            "Oh, they'd never really curtail women's rights. They're just pandering to their base."

            After all, faith is a stronger trait on that side of the spectrum. Resolute belief in things unseen and unknowable. Maybe we're seeing some of that.

            I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

            by Gentle Giant on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 05:36:59 AM PDT

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  •  Moredick and McCain swapped forgiveness. (2+ / 0-)
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    Mac forgave Moredick for glorifying rape, and Moredick forgave Mac for calling his own wife a c--t when she dared to tease him in front of an aide.  They're like brothers now.  Cain & Unable.

  •  "I think it's wrong when someone..." (7+ / 0-)

    "....wants to take what I said and twist it," Mourdock said.

    No need to twist it, dude.

    What you said was perfectly twisted already.

    "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

    by greendem on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:06:50 PM PDT

  •  Good news for John McCain! (1+ / 0-)
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    This bearer of lady-parts is headed out the door to vote today.

    For Barack Obama.

  •  Legitimate Rape, Rapist Parental Rights, (3+ / 0-)
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    holy rape pregnancy.

    There's 2 weeks left. Anyone got another offensive concept these clowns might embrace in that time?

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:09:11 PM PDT

  •  My head hurts. Not just from (0+ / 0-)

    Mourdock but from people like John McCain, twisting themselves into a preztel, trying to support this neanderthal.
    Btw, anyone heard from Romey yet on this??? Via his own lips that is??
    Yeah, right.

    "The past is never dead. It's not even past". Faulkner.

    by mchestnutjr on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:10:16 PM PDT

  •  Mourdock's crock (1+ / 0-)
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    Really tired of hearing from these self professed "messengers of god" gas bag politicians. They attempt to cloak their messages of hate, contempt and misogyny with their "religious" beliefs.    

    "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image, when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."  

  •  I agree that Mourdock's faith motivates him. (1+ / 0-)
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    His faith is therefore the problem.  What do we gain by pussy-footing around this?

    Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

    by Rich in PA on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:13:45 PM PDT

  •  Hey Rick--Who said he said that? (0+ / 0-)
    He didn't say rape was a gift from God.
    You're denying an accusation no one made. Straw man much?

    "Push the button, Max!" Jack Lemmon as Professor Fate, The Great Race

    by bartcopfan on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:16:18 PM PDT

  •  You know what? Fuck these men and their (2+ / 0-)
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    prehistoric, caveman attitudes towards women.

    I don't give a shit anymore about being congenial, when it comes to these neolithic pricks.

    They can think any damned thing they want to - but it's time for our national VILLAGE to take them to task for spouting nonsense and then denying their own bullshit when it's politically expedient.

    So, Mourdock and Santorum and McCain and Romney, FUCK YOU, one and all.

    If there were a god, she surely wouldn't let asshats like this be born, much less end up in a position of power anywhere in the world.


    "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization" -- me

    by Angie in WA State on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:19:43 PM PDT

  •  Republicans forgive Mourdock (1+ / 0-)
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    because their god is a rapist.

  •  What Really Gets Me (2+ / 0-)
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    is how these ass clowns can state that their words were "twisted, taken out of context, etc."

    The fact is, these old derps do not understand the new online media at all.

    They don't get it that anyone who cares can look up their words and determine if they're taken out of context or not.

    They don't get it that lies told years ago are still online, waiting to be tapped by some investigative reporter.

    They don't get the internet at all, and this hurts them. Of course, the people swallowing the codswallop from the GOP are probably not that cyberlicious either.

    Fine with me. Let them continue to step in their own ignorance.

    THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. -- L. Ron Hubbard Technique 88

    by xenubarb on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:30:28 PM PDT

  •  Crazy times (2+ / 0-)
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    These beliefs are so reprehensible. Some rapes leave the victim needing re constructive surgery, there's STD's , and if the perpetrators are worried about being identified brutal beatings and murder may follow.  And sometimes surgery can't fix the damage. Don't know why these men are so fixated on rape, seems like a psychological defect.

  •  The best irony of it all ... (2+ / 0-)
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    Most of those sticking up for Mourdock have pointed out the backlash he's taken and just how difficult a thing like that is to shoulder. They never consider that it just might be a gift from God.

  •  Nonsense generator working! (1+ / 0-)
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    I read this headline as, Reptilian Menfolk...

    Maybe that does make sense after all.

    How many divisions does OWS have?

    by Diebold Hacker on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 12:40:19 PM PDT

  •  I heard a catholic priest say sort of the same (1+ / 0-)
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    glorificus

    thing from the pulpit once.

    The WHOLE point of the sermon was to blame the woman for wanting to have an abortion in the case of rape.  
    he SAID NOTHING about the rape itself.  Condemning the woman for her 'choice' but not the man for his.

  •  Mourdock (2+ / 0-)
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    Just so everyone understands, I am a lifelong liberal Democrat, a woman and unequivocally prochoice.  However, I do think we need to take a deep breath here. In my opinion, Mourdock's position re abortion == only permitted when the woman's life is at risk -- is the only honorable view if one believes that life begins at conception and should be legally protected from that point in time.  Those that say that abortion is OK if due to rape or incest, really then don't believe all that much in the so-called "sanctity of life."

    However, the issue is not what he believes here -- Rather the issue is that he would force his views on others who do not believe the way he does.   We are all entitled to our views on all issues, even him.

    My concern is that elected officials such as he would be, will try to put justices on the Supreme Court who will also impose their essentially religious views on the rest of us.

    So calling him names does not help -- The focus needs to be on the fact that many, many people, men and women, do not agree with him and do not want his religious views imposed on them.

    •  Donnelly is just as bad! (0+ / 0-)

      I am also unequivocably pro-choice and a woman.
      However, I am appalled at the fact that no one is looking at his opponent, Joe Donnelly, who is actually worse.
      Donnelly, in addition to co-sponsoring HR3 the "forcible rape" bill, voted to defund PP and voted to make it legal to allow hospitals to refuse emergency abortions even to women whose lives are at risk.
      I'd love to not have these creepy religious views forced on me by Senate votes.  It seems that no matter which candidate, from the great state of Indiana, is elected, forced birth will be his mantra.

  •  A Clarification is Needed (1+ / 0-)
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    I keep waiting for Mitt Romney to say that Mourdock's position on rape pregnancy was 'inelegantly conceived.'

  •  Moral of the story: (1+ / 0-)
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    "We don't give a damn that Mourdock and Ailes are ignorant, misogynistic, sanctimonious creeps. That's completely irrelevant. All that matters is that they are REPUBLICANS!"

    Let us pause now for a moment of SCIENCE

    by labman57 on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 01:56:47 PM PDT

  •  I don't think (1+ / 0-)
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    that there is a soul that is claiming that what this cretin, Mourdock, said was that God sanctions rape. The tape is clear. what he says is that the victim of the rape has to deliver the child conceived by that rape because "his God" considers every child a gift. The problem is that he wants to legislate as law of the land the opinion of "his God". What happens if the message from other peoples "God" says otherwise? This is the worst of the violations of individual rights that can be perpetrated. To have a man placed in a position where his vote, based on the "voices that he hears" can forever enslave a woman to live with the consequences of criminal act, is despicable. Unfortunately Mourdock is not the only Cretin in the Republican party. Ryan,Rommney,King, Mandell, Akin and many republican state administration seem to subscribe to this nonsense.

  •  Getting Rape Pregnant Equals Castrated Dickless (1+ / 0-)
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    Now we get it and abhor the thought, let alone saying it.

    What I do not get is why Ryan gets a pass for comparing rape to a "method of conception" as he told an interviewer on 8/26/12. He also co-sponsored (with Akin) a Personhood amendment that would ban abortion even in cases of rape and incest. So his views are every bit as extreme as the others in the clown car, who, unlike Ryan will not be in position to exercise the executive authority to implement policy.

    •  Yes, they are equally offensive, but a Kardashian (0+ / 0-)

      may have broken a nail on 8/26/12 which drew in media attention like a tractor beam.

      "I believe more women should carry guns. I believe armed women will make the world a better place. Women need to come to think of themselves not as victims but as dangerous." Anna Pigeon

      by glorificus on Fri Oct 26, 2012 at 09:53:03 AM PDT

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  •  My opinion (4+ / 0-)
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    GreenMother, drmah, schnecke21, glorificus

    has always been that women who are against abortion or birth control are welcome not to have one or use the contraceptives. They do not have the right to interfere with the right of other women to use BCP's or if needed to have an abortion. Worst yet I find it ridiculous that the ones who are making the biggest noise against women reproductive rights are a bunch of old white males.

  •  I am so glad there are penis-havers that are (1+ / 0-)
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    drmah

    present, in order to tell me how to feel, and when.

    If it weren't for them I would be confused and bewildered.

    note snark.

  •  The MOST appalling thing about Mourdock (1+ / 0-)
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    and his comment, is that it CLEARLY indicates he WILL seek to impose HIS personal religious beliefs on ALL Americans, if he is elected.

    Republicans, take note: this does NOT comport with the First Amendment's Religious Freedom tenets.

    Freedom OF religion also means Freedom FROM religion (being imposed by our Government)

    For a better America, vote the GOP out of office whenever and wherever possible and as soon (and as often) as possible!

    by dagnome on Thu Oct 25, 2012 at 04:30:46 PM PDT

  •  Rape and Mourdock (1+ / 0-)
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    glorificus

    Okay, I am barred from Mourdock's FB page..because I asked some questions.  First, I asked how any of these men would feel if their wife or daughter was raped, much less wind up pregnant.  Second, I asked if they were ready to have a suicide watch on a teen girl raped repeatedly by a stepfather and wound up pregnant.  Yes, she was suicidal!   Next, I asked them if they basically gave the guys a 'carte blanche' to rape a female..  I AM a victim of rape..back in 1957..as a college freshman, who was raped by a senior..who prided himself on 'having fun with freshman girls'.  I was not the only one..and he used something in our coffee.  
    Friends of mine, male, figured out something was wrong and got me to talk.  That senior got the crap beat out of him and I had NO regrets and still don't to this day.  In fact, when I found out he died several years ago, I couldn't even feel sorry for his wife and kids.  He died of cancer.  

    This got dumped from Mourdock's page even though there are others on there who were NOT at all pleased with his position.  
    Oh, the kicker of my rapist...HE WAS A GOOD UPSTANDING CHRISTIAN..Yeah, right!

  •  I've noticed that on the baby-names sites (0+ / 0-)

    (and if you weren't aware, there are a lot of those sites), there's no separate category for rape baby names.  

    I suggest we start our own list.  For instance, Li'l Rapey.  Or Rapey Junior.  Or Rapellina.

  •  The social effects of Murdocks view: (0+ / 0-)

    A child from rape is not wanted.

    Before abortion in Biblical times the mother was stoned to death, which still happens today in the Middle East.  It is their way of taking care of the problem.

    The child is not wanted by anyone.  Not by anyone.  Not the mother, the father, or society.

    In the early US, if born, the children were negelected and abused.  They in turn became criminals, and were a burden to the society.

    If those Republicans really believed in God, they whould be tembling in their socks.   After all,  to put fort such a mockery to God as they have this election is certain to provoke the rath of God.

    I say to God, Please take care of it.

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