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So I have my nifty Android news reader app set to provide, along with other sources of political news, headlines from our favorite nemesis, RedState.

Since I'm unfamiliar with their diary-posting mechanism, I'm going to assume that member diaries that appear in my little app are "front-paged," since my Daily Kos section indeed shows me what's front-paged here. In other words, this must be some important shit they're saying.

One particular headline today stood out, replicated in the title of the diary you now read, but again for emphasis:

I Think Sometimes We Are Truly A Stupid Movement
With a title like that, and since I actually agreed with the diarist at this point, I couldn't resist exploring further the mind of such an astute member of the RedState community.

After some introductory rambling about Happy Thanksgivings, how he's not going to question the effectiveness of political movements (read: Tea Party/conservative movement), how wealthy donors invested their funds (read: flushed millions of dollars down the crapper), and how ridiculously ineffective their patriotic bus tours were, he starts getting deep:

You see, I have a little theory on why we as a movement, and Republicans lose: because we’re stupid. No, I take that back. We could actually stand to be a little more stupid and do the obvious. I think we sometimes are too smart for our own good.
I think I'm beginning to like this guy. There's no one I'd rather have providing featured commentary for the Anti-Kos than someone who's so smart they can't figure out whether they're smart or not.

Then the lightbulb really comes on:

So here’s a thought: let’s do the obvious moving forward and actually commit to doing some fundamentals of politics.
Which, the diarist goes on to point out, would actually consist of emulating the Obama campaign, even going so far as to link a Politico article by Jim Messina in his post. Gotta take props in whatever form we can get them, I suppose.

Moving right along, we have the wink to SuperCandidate™ Mitt Romney, complete with Obama-style "Fired Up" reference:

There are other factors in winning. I know that. Like having a candidate people can get fired up about.
Which leads back to that "lets copy Obama" concept he touched on:
But that aside, unless we commit to real grassroots and GOTV, and by that I mean knocking and talking on doors, and having personal contact with the voters, and not just in the last month or two of the election season, we’re not going to win.
Because an OFA-style operation will surely compensate for this:
People will say we must have a better message. I like our message, and quite frankly if we would tap into the conservative populism message of, “We hate Big (government, corporations, banks, etc.),” we can and will win. There is nothing wrong with our message. There is everything wrong with our approach and tactics.
Ha Ha Ha Ha

He likes their message. Of course he does. He doesn't think anything's wrong with it.

Once again, I agree. I wouldn't touch a thing. A little repackaging change of tactics and, so he concludes...

All is not lost for us [...]
***

These people just won't ever get it, but you know what? It doesn't even frustrate me anymore. This election finally put to rest that feeling of near-rage I used to feel when hearing the idiocy of these people, replacing it instead with a hearty

lololololololololololol


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  •  The only way conservatives ever win (26+ / 0-)

    outside the Third World States is by deceiving people, and that's all their talk about tactics boils down to.  Their message is a lie - their agenda, however, is obvious to anyone who looks: They serve power and privilege, period, and think democracy is dog shit.

    "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

    by Troubadour on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 10:29:50 PM PST

    •  They still insist their problem (17+ / 0-)

      lies in the packaging of the message, not the message itself.

      This absolute cluelessness fascinates me, for some fucked up reason.

      ;-)

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      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 10:37:28 PM PST

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      •  Of course it's the packaging. (12+ / 0-)

        The packaging in 2012 let people see too much of what the GOP's message really is - i.e., that people who aren't millionaires are dog shit who should just shut up and obey.  In order to win, they need to be a lot more deceptive.

        "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

        by Troubadour on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 10:44:24 PM PST

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      •  If image is the closest you can get to actuality (2+ / 0-)
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        DeadHead, blueoasis

        then image is all you have - and are - and so it becomes mandatory. Problem is that copying images only gives you revolution by fad, as an old NYC friend said in the Workingman's Dead era. If that.

        The packaging is the nice toxic green lawn for the beautiful brick veneer house.

        •  They can keep bullshitting away (1+ / 0-)
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          OleHippieChick

          It will fall apart. It might take awhile longer, but it's moving the right direction.

          I wasn't so sure after 2010. It feels better now, but we've got to keep the pressure on, or they'll slither back.

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          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
          ~ Jerry Garcia

          by DeadHead on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 01:15:55 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  They see human beings as organisms that (7+ / 0-)

        respondthat respond to prompts, like sunflowers turning towards the sun. So, if the response is wrong, then the prompt must have been wrong. In addition to dualistic model of the world, which categorizes reality in positive and negative pairs, these people are rather cavalier about direction. That is, they think backwards and forwards are simply opposites. So, cause and effect can be deduced from either direction. That is, the effect can be deduced from the cause and the cause can be deduced from the effect. If they get rid of what they hate, then they will get what they like. So, if, for example, they get rid of same sex marriage, then traditional marriages will blossom. That reality is not organized that way doesn't register. The problem with black/white thinking isn't that there is no grey; it's that there are only two options. The problem is dualism or binary thinking. The irony is that computers actually work on the binary model by varying the on/off, yes/no sequence. But people whose brains are fixated on duality don't seem to get the variability introduced in sequence. Some brains do not register sequence. This I know for certain. I've seen it in a brain-damaged child and it shows up in senile dementia, making memory unreliable. If the brain can't track what happens first and what happens next, and so on, it's hard to make sense of the world. When people exist in an ineffable present, all experience seems to be simultaneous.

        We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 02:22:23 AM PST

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        •  You know (2+ / 0-)
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          You post some of the most incredibly intelligent comments I've come across here.

          It takes me a good amount of time to process them, and that's a compliment.

          :-)

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          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
          ~ Jerry Garcia

          by DeadHead on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 02:49:43 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  Their claim that (2+ / 0-)
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        Dvalkure, DeadHead

        the voters didn't get their message is wrong - the voters got their message that's why they lost.

        "If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them. Isaac Asimov (8.25 / -5.64}

        by carver on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 07:10:24 AM PST

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  •  It's worth remembering (14+ / 0-)

    when looking around the intertubz, that not all political Blogs are created equally.

    For some peculiar reason, Erik Erickson is considered by some on the Right as a Very Important Person.

    It surely can't be based on that Blog, because it is a very low-traffic site with nothing in the way of community, or intelligence.

    Take a look at the number of Diaries and the comments they attract, and you'll see what I mean.

    Quite frankly, we could fit RedState into our Community Spotlight and still have room left for the Constitution (which they haven't read)

    With deepest apologies to the Community Spotlight :)

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    by twigg on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 10:37:08 PM PST

  •  Hey, and here's a great revelation from one of (12+ / 0-)

    their brainiacs:

    Community organizers. The right spent a lot of time mocking that notion in 2008 but it's exactly what we need.
    I swear to God, I was laughing so hard I was snorty snorting:)

    They are just so revolutionary and insightful!

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 10:52:41 PM PST

  •  Yeah I read this too. You should post some of the (4+ / 0-)
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    DeadHead, cany, Jeff Y, Chi

    comments, they're terrifying.

    Patriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about. Mark Twain

    by Deathtongue on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 10:55:26 PM PST

    •  Ha (3+ / 0-)
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      CherryTheTart, Jeff Y, Deathtongue

      I totally thought about it.

      Like the one about them thinking young voters weren't lost for sure, so long as they "get information to them first."

      Fucking nuts. Indoctrination is how I read that one.

      But I didn't want to put too much crazy in one diary.

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      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 10:59:25 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Some are quite enlightened (3+ / 0-)
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      Lots of good comments here. May I personally name someone who, unfortunately, earned the stupid label this election? Karl Rove. Much has been said of the feckless advertisements that American Crossroads ran (although the early Romney ads were FAR more miserable). But I have another bone to pick. Rove consistently underestimated his opponent. He failed to accept that the election could, in fact, be a D+6 turnout. He also failed to accept that the polls were, in fact, correct. As if this weren't bad enough, this is the SECOND TIME he's done that. In the 2006 midterm elections, Rove, if you remember, did the EXACT SAME THING
      The problem is, both the party and Red State like all that money that Rove raises for them, and they won't bite the hand that feeds them.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 03:49:40 AM PST

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      •  And some are not (2+ / 0-)
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        OleHippieChick, DeadHead
        It should be fundamentally offensive to conservatives to think that it is our responsibility to prod and push people to the polls -- like they are stupid cattle -- in order to win. The low turn-out is an obvious symptom of the entire process in need of an overhaul. When the people see something worth voting for, they will get to the polls on their own.
        LOL

        “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

        by skohayes on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 03:52:36 AM PST

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  •  The Conservative message (16+ / 0-)
    People will say we must have a better message. I like our message, and quite frankly if we would tap into the conservative populism message of, “We hate Big (government, corporations, banks, etc.),” we can and will win. There is nothing wrong with our message. There is everything wrong with our approach and tactics.
    They tapped into the "We hate Big Government" message just fine.  They let the voters know quite well that they hate "Big Government". The voters rejected that message.

    But they don't hate big corporations. They don't hate big banks. They **LOVE** big corporations and big banks. Loving them was one of the pillars of their campaign.

    The GOP is going to have problems as long as they don't realize that it their problem isn't how they present their message, it is the message itself.

    The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

    by A Citizen on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 11:03:50 PM PST

    •  Precisely (2+ / 0-)
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      exterris, cany

      And they won't be able to convert their worldview, and thus their message, to one compatible with a country that's moving in a much different direction than they are.

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      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 11:20:24 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Interesting that we know what they love when they (3+ / 0-)
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      DeadHead, skohayes, majcmb1

      can't figure it out.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 11:44:35 PM PST

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      •  lol. I'm starting to see pretty (1+ / 0-)
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        cany

        Colors flowing in rainbow rivers.

        This is getting weirder by the minute. Next thing you know they'll be seeing images of Markos forming miraculously on the surfaces of inanimate objects.

        ;-P

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        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
        ~ Jerry Garcia

        by DeadHead on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 11:50:12 PM PST

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        •  No, no. That's paranoia:) (2+ / 0-)
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          DeadHead, skohayes

          202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

          by cany on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 11:57:16 PM PST

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          •  lol. Between the comment of yours (1+ / 0-)
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            cany

            Above, one elsewhere to another person upthread, and your exchange over in Night Owls, I don't know what planet I'm on anymore.

            ;-)

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            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
            ~ Jerry Garcia

            by DeadHead on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 12:14:44 AM PST

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    •  Really I think there is some incredible cognitive (5+ / 0-)

      dissonance in that statement there.

      If you hate big government, AND you hate big banks and big corporations, what's left? Does it not occur to these folks that the people they nominate are beholden to the big banks and big corporations (who are, of course, funding the very candidates they profess to support), and that if they were smart they'd support a government that was big enough to hold back the power of those very same banks and corporations?

      I'd guess the answer it that they don't. You really cannot have "small" everything in a world with a globalized economy. It simply won't work. What we're stuck with, for the time being at least, is a system where the power of money is held in check by the power of governmental regulation.

      •  That's what I never understood (4+ / 0-)

        About the Tea Party.

        So against the entities that were actually supporting their existence.

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        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
        ~ Jerry Garcia

        by DeadHead on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 12:40:59 AM PST

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      •  Pre-cognitiive dissonance, one might say (4+ / 0-)
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        majcmb1, CwV, DeadHead, sfbob

        And I don't mean to be hyper-snarky here.   What I see in these excerpts (and I wasn't sufficiently motivated or brave to go back to the original source), is a feeling or an attitude, not anything approaching a rational framework for policy or politics.

        This Redstate guy sees himself as one of the "little people"  a "populist."   He hates anything "big." There appears to be a lot of "us" vs. "them" tribal attitude here. He probably sees Democrats as "liberal elites" that think they are better than he is.  He sees himself as a victim.  More than likely, the one coherent feeling behind all of this is a fear of change.  

        I'd suggest that this guy is one of the duped, not the puppet-masters.  The Roves and Rushes of the world have been very effective at playing on this inchoate and contradictory fear of change and channeling it against Dems and progressives.  By appealing to the feeling, they get people to vote against the policies that - if they analyzed them rationally - would benefit them.  

        •  Well, one person in the comments (0+ / 0-)

          either to the diarist, or to another person in the comments, said:

          You are a patriot.
          To which the person replied something like "that's the highest compliment I can receive."

          So it wouldn't take much for Rove or any other puppetmaster to bring these "populists" to tears of flattered joy.

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          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
          ~ Jerry Garcia

          by DeadHead on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 10:33:52 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  And this SHOULD be progressives' opening for an (0+ / 0-)

      of dominance.  The problem is that the Dem establishment is almost as dedicated to the welfare of big corporations & banks as the Rep establishment is.  If it weren't, we wouldn't currently be cringing at the possibility (probability) that PBO won't cave to the Pete Peterson bullshibabiut the debt & "entitlements."   If PBO holds out against a Grand Sellout until the Bush tax cuts expire or if he cuts a deal before 01/01/2013 that doesn't include huge wounds to SS, Medicare, Medicaid, or Obamacare, I will be very pleasantly surprised.  I voted for the guy, but I have no faith in the guy not to sell out his base.  To paraphrase Barney F., selling yourself as the non-insane wing of the corporate party, as opposed to that party's wing that is dedicated to reality-free ideology, is no way to build a dominant 1932-1968 majority.

      •  I'm sure there'll be something or other (0+ / 0-)

        that Obama does that will piss us off. All we can do is put the pressure on as best as we can beforehand.

        The difference is, we at least have a shot at getting Obama to listen and perhaps change course than we would have had with Romney.

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        Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
        ~ Jerry Garcia

        by DeadHead on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 10:49:09 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  sandy reminded them (0+ / 0-)

      gvt comes in handy when you need it!

      why? just kos..... *just cause*

      by melo on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 05:18:20 AM PST

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  •  Ok. I'm not gonna post an update, but (7+ / 0-)

    I just scraped the bottom of the rec list for the first time.

    Sorry, that makes me feel good.

    :-)

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    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
    ~ Jerry Garcia

    by DeadHead on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 11:26:32 PM PST

  •  waitaminute! (9+ / 0-)

    “We hate Big (government, corporations, banks, etc.)...”

    Ummm, which party is it that supports big corporations and big banks?

  •  Their GOTV operation is fine (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    DeadHead, majcmb1, Chi

    It's their message of hate and division that's being delivered by a bunch of tea-addled lunatics that's the problem.

    The Republican Brain

    http://grist.org/...

    Chicago--Proud Home of the 1907-08 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs

    by Jeff Y on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 12:02:17 AM PST

  •  He's half right. (5+ / 0-)
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    cany, DeadHead, skohayes, Chi, Jeff Y

    Now they just need some policy ideas that are more appealing to voters.  The next time they might not have latent bigotry working in their favor.

    •  I don't see any policy ideas (2+ / 0-)
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      majcmb1, Jeff Y

      Available to them that would be both appealing enough to a majority of voters and still be considered Republican.

      New ones, at least. I won't be surprised when they attempt to hijack traditionally Democratic positions and somehow call them their own.

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      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 02:35:16 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  They could do it. (1+ / 0-)
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        DeadHead

        All they need to do is reclaim the fiscal conservatism mantle from the democratic party.

        It's not going to happen, they feel like fiscal conservatism is a stupid issue.  You can tell because Ron Paul was their guy who had the most credibility on that, and they treated his fans like crap in their last convention.

        They'll probably stay crazy.  Crazy people can't tell good advice when they hear it.

  •  There own polls inform them that their message (2+ / 0-)
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    DeadHead, Jeff Y

    is the bomb.

    As far as I'm concerned, the Damned Old Party can go ahead and continue buying into that message, wholesale.

    All your Supremes are belong to us. For Great Justices!

    by thenekkidtruth on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 02:58:03 AM PST

  •  The GOP used to have the best church-fueled (4+ / 0-)
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    ground game by a wide margin.  Put the Democrats to shame.  In fact, it took about a decade and a half (the first Obama campaign), to even remotely catch up.  They take their ground game for granted these days, and farm it out to amateurs like Ralph Reed.

    It's still not that bad - it's just that Obama's was two letter grades better.  They could shore up their ground game, but that effort would be fruitless - it's not that Republicans don't vote in huge numbers.  It's just that their fundamental problem is that they've run out of voters.

    All your Supremes are belong to us. For Great Justices!

    by thenekkidtruth on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 03:04:34 AM PST

  •  Why do we give advice to republicans? (3+ / 0-)
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    Chi, codairem, OleHippieChick

    Doesn't make any sense to me. We are telling thugs how they should prepare to beat us? This is mind bugling to me. I do not see anything republicans can do to make me vote for them.
    Don't we Progressive have enough issues to discuss? How are we going to keep the Senate in 2014? How are we going to win more Governorships? How are going to win local races? How can we win the House back in 2014 and give the President a valid Majority?

    •  That's a great question (1+ / 0-)
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      codairem

      One I almost wrote a diary about.

      This one wasn't that diary. This is a diary making fun of a Republican giving his fellow readers at RedState advice. Not me.

      So I'm not sure if you're just posing the question generally or...

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      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 03:27:44 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I gotta step out for a few hours. (2+ / 0-)
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    thenekkidtruth, OleHippieChick

    I'll be back later to check the damage.

    ;-)

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    Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
    ~ Jerry Garcia

    by DeadHead on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 03:38:29 AM PST

  •  Please don't change the part of your message (3+ / 0-)
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    DeadHead, 73rd virgin, Jeff Y

    that ferociously defends tax cuts for the rich while advocating benefits cuts for the rest of us. I love canvassing on that one...

    Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free
    ¡Boycott Arizona!

    by litho on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 04:53:41 AM PST

  •  I think they should do a Norquist thingy (1+ / 0-)
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    DeadHead

    and get their representatives to sign on to this small government, stay the course determination until at least 2016.  That works for me.


    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 05:27:15 AM PST

  •  What's missing from that agenda? (3+ / 0-)
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    cactusgal, DeadHead, Jeff Y

    Oh, I know: how about if you guys don't hate on and sneer at half the country as a sort of compulsion? How about if your male candidates stop saying mind-numbingly stupid shit about women's bodies and issues? How about being a whole lot less obvious how much you hate the middle class just for struggling?

    It's not your message that needs tweaking, it's your actual  attitudes towards the people in this country.

    You can call it "class warfare" -- we call it "common sense"

    by kenlac on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 06:01:23 AM PST

  •  Sometimes it's not even the message. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    DeadHead

    Sometimes, and often for purely subjective reasons, voters just can't abide the messenger.

  •  Anyone mention to our esteemed opponent (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    DeadHead

    That imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?

    Or that if he (she?) had any brains he'd ditch the stupid and the Party that brought it to the party.

    Or that if his grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon?

    Maybe one day the Fourth Estate will take their jobs seriously. Or not..

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 07:05:47 AM PST

  •  They don't get it! When you're selling a big sack (2+ / 0-)
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    DeadHead, Jeff Y

    of blatant lies, racism and religious fundamentalism, you're not going to expand your base no matter how hard you try to copy Obama's organization.

    Let's not let 2014 be anything like 2010. Republicans only win when we stay home!

    by Tim D M on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 09:30:36 AM PST

  •  the problem for them, of course, is that (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Jeff Y
    I like our message, and quite frankly if we would tap into the conservative populism message of, “We hate Big (government, corporations, banks, etc.),” we can and will win.
    that isn't even their message, and they don't "hate" any of the listed. they loves themselves some big gumint, when it comes to telling women when and how they can fuck, who people are allowed to marry and what the "right" religion is. they loves them some big corps and banks too. so much so, they want them to be taxed much less, so as not to be oppressed.

    hell, this nimrod can't even get his group's message right, so it's no surprise at all he thinks their problem was a failure to get their message out more. trust me dude, you got it out loud and clear, we all heard it, and we all laughed at you.

    funny thing, for a group that loathes gov't regulation, they supposedly support the first regulation, by the big guy, chiseled into stone, "The Ten Commandments (more or less). so i guess it's only some regulations they don't like.

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