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There's a deer inside the elk fence.  

I heard something outside and was wondering.    (When one lives inside an elk exclusion fence, one tends to listen for noises like that, even if unconsciously.)

It's night, dark and quiet, a clear sky after today's hours of downpour.  

I'm not sure how it got past the perimeter and into the compound   The gates are closed.     It's possible that since a deer is smaller than an elk it squeezed in somewhere we weren't expecting.

It's December, so it's OK.   There's still some fallen apples on the ground, and I won't begrudge the animal those.  Since the garden is in dormancy status, that's not a worry either.  

It's far more troubling to have a large cow elk and her calf inside in June, believe me.

I spotted it with the halogen lamp I was using to enlighten some carpentry work in the basement this afternoon.

I suppose I'll open the gate and try to shoo the gentle critter out (I think it's over by the apple tree right now.)

Tomorrow, at daylight, will try to figure out where it got in.

Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 10:36 PM PT: Bambi seems to be running free again.   No sign of eyeballs in the floodlight, no more pacing the perimeter looking for a way out.

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  •  How high is the fence (8+ / 0-)

    I've seen deer clear 10 foot fences with ease.  Not sure how high a full size elk could clear.

  •  well, that didn't work. I don't think it wanted (5+ / 0-)

    my help.  Trying to smash through the fence is a good strategy for an elk, but not a deer.   I think I best just sit here and let it figure it's own way to the gate.

  •  You are aware (11+ / 0-)

    that deer can jump an 8 foot fence when they are of a mind to.

    I know this from experience when one got into my garden several times. Finally I spoted it in mid flight.

    They must be motivated by something usually it a favored food. Apples will do the job. But hunting season often sends them looking for a safe hang out also.

    My place used to be a deer convention during hunting season. I am a vegitarian and somehow the deer knew that and were unafraid of me.

    Let him/her clean up the apples your hooved adventurer will be less likely to expendthe effort if no food is waiting.

    Enjoy your visitor!

    It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

    by PSWaterspirit on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 09:43:51 PM PST

    •  lo and behold, no more apples on the ground (9+ / 0-)

      so, you're right, that motivation won't be here anymore after today.  

      My worry is more that a scared animal feeling trapped inside a fence can do itself harm trying to break out.  

      I'm a vegetarian as well - still - we joke about catching an elk in the fence and having it hanging in the basement freezer within the hour.    

      (There's no freezer in the basement, let alone one large enough to hang an elk inside, that's part of the joke).  But dang, that's a big animal, it makes a deer look like a toy poodle.

  •  Can I Ask A Stupid Question (4+ / 0-)

    What is the purpose of an elk fence?

    I guess to keep them away from a garden and/or some trees. I have some problems with deer, but really other smaller critters are the real issue.

    I've never thought of a fence :).

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 10:04:19 PM PST

    •  You know how much 60 elk can eat and trample (7+ / 0-)

      in a manner of minutes?   A lot.

      And yes, if you value having plants of any kind whatsoever, for food or for ornamentation, you build an elk fence.

      •  I Saw You Mention You Are A Vegetarian (3+ / 0-)
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        Shuksan Tahoma, citizenx, DvCM

        I am not, although I don't each much meat. But I do love me some wild game (although I don't hunt -- which is a problem). But if I lived in a place where 60 elk might roam across my property I'd have an elk in my freezer. You know, just saying :)!

        When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

        by webranding on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 10:20:26 PM PST

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        •  they get poached every year. especially the bulls (7+ / 0-)

          I don't begrudge hunters who do so to put food in their freezer.  

          I'm even trying to get ready to raise chickens for eggs and maybe collect an oyster or two from the beach.   Living rurually in an area of relative abundance, it's really a no-brainer,  and I say this as a vegan of going on 20 years.

          But I think it's a shame that each spring the bull elk seem younger than the spring before, when it should be the opposite.

          •  This Is The View Outside My Front Door (6+ / 0-)

            Corn Field (Mascoutah)

            I don't have the adundance you do. Plus hunting seasons are very limited. But if my garden expansion keeps up at the pace it is going within 3-4 years my entire yard will be growing stuff that isn't just grass.

            I don't have a "green thumb." I've literally kill cactus. But alas the soil is the color of tar and I've found it is almost impossible for me to kill anything.

            When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

            by webranding on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 10:34:14 PM PST

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            •  We don't have the problem of living things growing (5+ / 0-)
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              webranding, marina, Aunt Pat, worldlotus, DvCM

              down here in Texas of late, our deer eat rocks.

            •  good soil is an abundance itself, especially (4+ / 0-)
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              marina, Aunt Pat, worldlotus, DvCM

              if you have water too.   It's good, computer geeks turning into  farmers.

              •  The Soil Is Amazing And We Still Get Rain (3+ / 0-)
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                Aunt Pat, worldlotus, DvCM

                although my garden this year wasn't the best, but then again it was 110+ for two weeks plus not soon after I planted (and I was late to the game).

                I am a proud computer geek. Also a foodie. But anybody with half a mind knows something grown in their own garden is superior to what you get in a store. And when I found out (1) how easy it as (2) how cheap it was (3) how much fulfillment I got from it all it was a no-brainer.

                BTW: I don't have a lot of land, but thinking about chickens. When I bought my house there was an old, like 20x20 shed in the back yard. I tore it down. But it seems like the perfect place to put a chicken coop and a few chickens.

                When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

                by webranding on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 10:53:47 PM PST

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                •  I recommend this book: (4+ / 0-)
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                  webranding, Aunt Pat, worldlotus, DvCM

                  A Chicken in Every Yard: The Urban Farm Store's Guide to Chicken Keeping.  

                  An excellent, informative, and FUN read.  It inspired me to think I could do it - and like I said - as a long-term vegan.


                  I do GIS, Python, Django, Debian, PostgreSQL.... you?

                  •  I Am Lower End Than You By A Lot (3+ / 0-)
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                    Shuksan Tahoma, Aunt Pat, worldlotus

                    many folks I know say I do programming. Nope. Not even close. Mostly WordPress. HTML. CSS. Some basic PHP. I've worked with programmers and I am not that :)!

                    I taught myself all that on the side about 12 years ago when I had another job as the VP of Marketing (yes I am that guy) for a software company, just cause I was curious.

                    I am thinking of trying to learn Ruby on Rails. But that is about as far as I think I will go.

                    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

                    by webranding on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 11:12:26 PM PST

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                    •  not really (2+ / 0-)
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                      Aunt Pat, worldlotus

                      I pretty much hack at it myself (in the alternative sense of the word 'hack' as in 'duffer' when referring to an amateur, and poor golfer.)   Have you looked at python/django vs ruby on rails?  I've never tried the latter, so I can't compare, but if you can handle basic PHP you can probably launch a django testing environment and take it from there.   I never learned C, Java, or .NET and don't think I will.

                      •  Again At Many Levels I Am A Novice (1+ / 0-)
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                        The reason I am looking at Ruby on Rail is speed of development. I started to teach myself some of this stuff was cause I worked with a large tech team and they seemed to suggest what they did for a living was rocket science. That a mere mortal like myself couldn't understand, so if they said something would take a month to do, just deal with it.

                        I wondered if it was.

                        I found out it wasn't. Don't get me wrong they were programming at levels far above my pay grade, but as I started to look at things it wasn't as complex as I once thought.

                        When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

                        by webranding on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 11:40:16 PM PST

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                        •  ruby/rails or python/django are similar that way (1+ / 0-)
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                          once we have the concept of a MVC web framework figured out it gets easier.  Database skills certainly help.  

                          I like python because it can do so much in so many different realms.   I suppose ruby is similar.   Most of them have nothing to do with delivering web pages.  PHP is really a limiting technology, since that is mostly all it does.  

            •  gotcha beat... my senior study was on light (4+ / 0-)
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              webranding, asterlil, citizenx, worldlotus

              effects on cockleburs (common weed in n.c.).

              i killed all my planted ones for the study - twice.  over 500 planted cockleburs and only 5 total ever grew out of two plantings - in a friggin GREENHOUSE!

              got a c+  my advisor said it would have been an A if i had any research to back up my paper.

              that's why i switched to theatre for grad school.  all my ballerinas and danseurs survived! *some with a few pin pricks here and there....

  •  Betcha the elk came under the fence n/t (5+ / 0-)

    The only trouble with retirement is...I never get a day off!

    by Mr Robert on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 10:06:03 PM PST

    •  elk go through fences, not under them (4+ / 0-)

      The strategy is either lean your butt, or if you're a bull, your rack, into the fence and then just use the force of your massive body to knock it over.   And it works.   But sometimes the fence wires cause nasty injuries to the animal.

      I saw this just last week at my neighbor's field.  Somehow the whole herd - except one - got inside that fence line.  The one was stuck between the wire and the trunk of the giant maple tree, thrashing about.  Finally, after a struggle and a near attack from a snarling dog, it ran, limping, away.

  •  They're testing your defenses (4+ / 0-)

    you need to be afraid.

  •  This past summer, as I was walking through the (6+ / 0-)

    kitchen area, out of the corner of my eye I saw a very big deer looking through the (glass) back door.  I slowly backed away & went downstairs to tell my spouse.  Who thought I was hallucinating or worse since we live in uber subdivision land.....

    We watched said deer amble around the decks & when he spotted us, nimbly take off down the many steps to the yard & speed through a side gate that spouse had left open.

    We assume he was checking out the many plantings (no veggies or fruit though) covering the steep sloops that lead to our decks.  Or maybe he was just curious about how two legged critters live.

    Amazing sight to unexpected joy.  Akin to the year we found white turkeys scattered around-on roofs & trees (they had escaped from a neighbor down the road apparently).  I had no idea that turkeys could "fly" until that day.

    To this day, I wonder & worry about how that deer fared & whether he "got home" safely.

    I hope "your" deer recalls how he got into your elk fence without your intervention :)

    •  I get a lot of wild critters in my courtyard. (6+ / 0-)

      Mule deer, raccoons, skunk... and one day a wild turkey ambled out, being followed at a respectful distance by one of my cats, looking at the largest bird he's ever going to see in his life.

      Once again, fruit trees are the draw; I have a big old apple tree and several plums.

      You can't second-guess the Ineffable. - Good Omens

      by asterlil on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 10:55:59 PM PST

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      •  For Me It Is Racoons, Skunks, Possums (4+ / 0-)
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        citizenx, Aunt Pat, worldlotus, asterlil

        and to a lesser extend deer. That pic I posted of the corn field (also soy beans at times) in front of my house backs up to a 35,000+ acre forest. The owner doesn't allow hunting on his land. I've found animals are smarter than we think and although a few will wonder out into the field and even around my house, they also know (or at least I think they do) that forest is a "safe place."

        BTW: I like all wildlife but it is hard for me to like racoons, skinks, and possums.  

        When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

        by webranding on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 11:00:06 PM PST

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        •  I too like all wildlife with the exception of (0+ / 0-)

          snakes-which induce in me Mindless Mortal Terror...

          I've tried to make our large backyard a wildlife sanctuary for birds, bees & butterflies.  Seems I have been successful to some degree for racoons, possum, chipmunks & squirrels as well...

          Possum scared the shite out of me one night because I had never seen one before.  Er, not an attractive critter.  This one appears to be very stupid as well when he tries to leave after spotting me...

          Ricky Raccoon appeared one night years ago.  My heart made him/her a peanut butter butter & honey sandwich & dish of water.  Then every night all winter.

          Last visit of the first year, he/she brought 3 young baby(?) looking racoons & stopped right at the glass door as if to introduce them before going to the yummies left them

          Disappeared until the following winter.  Same happened every year until last year albeit with the family finally decreasing to one youngster.  

          Although I know racoons can have rabies & that my heart probably should not have made them sandwiches or other goodies, I could not bear knowing how hard it must be for them to survive in lands that are continually being bulldozed to create yet more & more for humans.

          Interestingly, they never got into the garbage bin or stayed around or showed up after it warmed up.  They would just eat & leave.

          I mourn that they did not appear last winter & like to hope they found save haven or sanctuary elsewhere...

          Funny how things evolve.

          I started making the bird sanctuary the spring after a winter snow (unusual in GA) & discovered my first red cardinal on the deck.  

          Which made my heart go to store & buy some birdseed.  More cardinals arrived & today when someone asks what I want for a gift I say lots of birdseed, lol.

  •  We're lousy with elk and mule deer (9+ / 0-)

    in Lincoln NM, so there's plenty of elk fence about. But a neighbor made an interesting observation: he says deer won't try to invade a space if they can't see into it. So he has 6-foot straw bale walls faced with adobe surrounding his gardens.

    Most evenings when the weather is good I watch the deer come down off the hills and head down to the Rio Bonito behind my house. They pop over four-foot wire fences from a standstill.

    You can't second-guess the Ineffable. - Good Omens

    by asterlil on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 10:48:31 PM PST

    •  It is amazing the variety of game (3+ / 0-)
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      KenBee, Aunt Pat, worldlotus

      I live in Texas, I have a customer in WY who constantly complains about the monarch  elks coming down and eating her hay.

      I went on a hunt in Colorado where one of the options was Canadian goose hunting and one of the guests, from up north, said that he could kill those with a hammer in his back yard.

      On the flip side, folks spend thousand of dollars to come down to Texas and shoot our somewhat common trophy white tailed deer and we have dove out the wazzoo.

      White tail deer are so overpopulated in central Texas that all suburban flower gardens are in danger, the deer are the size of a greyhounds and they are everywhere.

      •  Kill Them With A Hammer In Their Backyard (2+ / 0-)
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        citizenx, worldlotus

        that is funny. But I know what you are saying. I have a lake in my town where you could do that, but alas it is illegal :). You can come where I live and drive a few miles from my house and you might kill a huge deer, not that you would want this, with your car.

        Heck drive down a major highway and you'll see deer on the side of the road, road kills 24/7. There is a large debate here, where we hunted deer too much so we put restrictions on the hunting, now they are literally everywhere.

        The hunters I know kind of don't want a change. Cause if you get one of the permit you need to be a total idiot not to get a deer.

        When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

        by webranding on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 11:05:35 PM PST

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    •  the 6 foot adobe straw bale compound (6+ / 0-)

      gives me a vision of a traditional Latin-American estate with an inner court and walls all around. Specifically, it gives me visions of Arequipa, Peru, where the walls are made from a light volcanic rock called sillar.

      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

        The Mimbres are the first known settlers of the Bonito Valley, followed by the Mescalero Apache peoples, but it was the Hispanic settlers in the very early 1800's who left their mark on our architectural landscape. It is as you say.

        You can't second-guess the Ineffable. - Good Omens

        by asterlil on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 08:34:51 AM PST

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