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The main part of this diary came from a comment by a reader Lang Lang on a book review of Ping Fu's Bend, not Break: A Life in Two Worlds.

For more background, please read my previous diaries, Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV, Part V, Part VI, and Part VII.

Some may ask why such an obsession with someone's autobiography. Well, at the beginning I was only planning to write three diaries and that would be it. The accusation that critics of Ping Fu, including myself, were shills for the Chinese government, and we were running a coordinated smear campaign, made me continue. That the media could be so prejudiced against a minority group so easily, on no evidence whatsoever, is rather unusual. This angered me and made me decide to carry this series further, to fully expose all the lies of Ping Fu. The mistreatment from the media and fellow Americans just gave us more determination. It also tells us that the mainstream media and the mainstream culture are so susceptible to liars, that they often choose to believe the liars than people who expose them.

Below is an analysis why Americans are more likely to believe liars.

Update: Here is the newest example of media coverage (to be fair, it's British, but just as biased).

1, Association/reprehensive/stereotype tendency
Association is one of the most powerful psychological tendencies hardwired into human brains by genes. It is developed by brain to handle vast amount of information. Simply speaking it’s a shortcut to reduce information processing because our brains cannot process that much information we encounter every day. In our case, most of Americans have been conditioned by the media so that they think because communism/dictatorship=devil, China=communism/dictatorship so China=devil. So when they heard a bad story about Chinese government, they won’t bother to check how much truth the story holds because it’s must be true—it’s coming from China “the Devil”.
Anyone who dare to question the authenticity of such stories, therefore, must be trying to defend the bad guys. Since no one wants to defend the bad guys for no reason, these people must be paid shills for the Chinese government. This is how the American media and some of my fellow kossacks think.

What they conveniently forget, is the fact that there are more than a dozen books that expose the evils of communism in China, the sufferings of the people during the Cultural Revolution, and the yearning for freedom of the Chinese people today. A good sampling of them is the following:
Standoff at Tiananmen by Eddie Cheng
Life and Death in Shanghai by Cheng Nien
China's Son: Growing Up in the Cultural Revolution by Da Chen
Ten Years of Madness: Oral Histories of China's Cultural Revolution by Jicai Feng
These books are far more critical of the Cultural Revolution, or today's Chinese government, than Ping Fu's book, yet none of them received the type of one-star reviews that Ping Fu received. They all received mostly five-star reviews by the readers.

Once people see these facts, they should realize how stupid it is to accuse the critics of Ping Fu to be tools of the Chinese government.

2, Availability-misweighing
We know that people tend to believe things that are more familiar to them, or can be better retrieved from their brain memory or more available to them. So obviously the China pictured by the media is more familiar to most Americans and therefore they tend to believe the book because it matches the China the media has pictured for them. And they never bother to collect more and unfamiliar facts about China or in that matter all unfamiliar foreign countries.
Our fellow kossacks have long recognized how unreliable the media has been when it comes to domestic American politics. The other side, the conservatives, are even less trusting of the media. But when it comes to things about China, all of a sudden the media becomes so truthful and trustworthy, their message even overrides those who actually came from China. Why?
3, Avoid doubts tendency
Believe it or not, our brains don’t like uncertainty. If given the chance, our brains will try to avoid doubts. If you heard the same kind of story but say it happened in Canada. You would doubt the truth of this story. But it happened in China, and you don’t know much about China except from the media. And if China is already associated with devil, than your brains would take the chance to avoid doubts and believe the story.
In other words, intellectual laziness.
4, Over optimism/wishful thinking tendency
We all know this saying “what a man wishes, that also will he believe”. We all want to believe great stories (or wish great story to be true, just like we wish we could win lottery). Ping’s story is a great one: not only had she survived one of the most brutal systems but also prospered after she came to America, fulfilled her American dream. Of course everybody wants to believe it. Who doesn’t?
Ping Fu's story is too close to a Hollywood plot: A tranquil, comfortable life interrupted by a revolution, followed by great sufferings, then redemption through determination and some good luck. One could not have written a better script for a movie. A naive reader has an urge to believe that it is true, and would then willingly ignore all evidence to the contrary.
5, Authority
Ping’s book got great reviews from some famous critics, so it must be true. She was also interviewed by the media, so it must be a true story. Is it really?
Now we know what famous critics do - they never look at a book critically, not when it is about something they know very little about.
6, Social proof
We all know “monkey see monkey do”. Everybody likes Ping’s book, it must be good and true. Especially those Authorities like it. Authority compounding with Social proof sometimes could be very powerful.
It tells us how shallow ourselves really are.
Even after we know that the story is a lie, there are still people defending and justfying it. Why? See below:

7, Incentive-caused bias
Their logic goes like this: China is devil anyway, so what’s wrong with fighting against it; we should use all tools we have, even lies. Maybe some people can understand this logic but it has nothing to do with truth and don’t forget somebody is making a fortune out of a lie. Fighting devil and making money at the same time, what a great story. Is it about money or devil?

8, Self-serving
I am better than you guys so my opinions are better than you guys so I can’t be wrong so you are wrong.

9, Denial
It looks very stupid if one found his/her previous statements are wrong especially when publicly stated. It’s painful to admit that you are wrong so the alternative is to keep your head in the sand.

10, Commitment and consistency
I have made a public statement about the book, so I have to be consistent with my opinion. I will ignore all unfavorable evidence and find all favorable evidence to support my opinion/theory.

So in summary, all these psychological tendencies work together in the same direction to mislead educated Americans to believe a lie. Two star for a great lie.

I still have confidence in my fellow Americans. We have a free press, although not a very responsible one. Our voice is still here, although not many are listening. Hopefully, people will start to think, and recognize the liar's lies.

Let me end with the following plea. We have democracy and freedom of speech here, but not in China. Pro-democracy people in China look to the US as their inspiration and example. The Ping Fu affair has given them a very bad example. It is much more difficult to explain to my Chinese friends what good a free press does, if a free press can be bought. I hope that my persistence here, and the persistence of other Chinese Americans on Amazon and other English forums, will ultimately be able to bring the mainstream media to their senses, and start to cover this story fairly and objectively. Then I can hold up this as a great example why we need a free press, and how it can successfully expose liars.

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  •   I say this honestly... (9+ / 0-)

    Fascinating diary. Thank you.

    "When faced with darkness, be the light. Remembering Richard Myers"

    by Leslie Salzillo on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:08:16 PM PST

  •  Is there a way to report sock puppets to DKOS? (1+ / 2-)
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    hailanzhiguang, xgz
    •  Yes, read the FAQ (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      NancyWH, Buhui, hailanzhiguang, yjbc

      and report, please. I'm so tired of your accusation.

    •  I consider your attitude very offensive (4+ / 1-)
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      hqc, Buhui, hailanzhiguang, yjbc
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      Sharon Wraight

      You are always projecting yourself too much, and unable to try to understand.

      Typical American arrogance.

      •  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/08/1185563/- (1+ / 2-)
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        Sharon Wraight
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        hailanzhiguang, xgz

        The comments in this diary are illuminating.

        •  Baseless accusation (1+ / 0-)
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          xgz
        •  That diary is illuminating for many reasons (1+ / 1-)
          Recommended by:
          Sharon Wraight
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          hailanzhiguang

          Not sure how you consider this HRable.  Anyone who reads this diary without benefits of the other would not be aware that there is a concerted campaign to say anything to cast doubt on a gang rape.  

          One commenter (who has no history on this site)  actually argued that the gang rape story could not possibly be true because CHINESE TEENAGE BOYS OF THAT TIME WERE SO IGNORANT ABOUT SEX THEY COULD NOT POSSIBLY HAVE COMMITTED RAPE).

          This heinous comment was than immediately recommended by an admitted friend of yours (who I do believe is  real person).  It was amazing that she even knew the comment had been posted so quickly since the diary was quite stale at the time, thus I suspect that that particular brand new user is connected to her in some manner.

          No one is against you because they do not want to disbelieve Ping Fu, but because the concerted attack on her is revolting.

          •  I am trying to be civil, (3+ / 1-)
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            Sharon Wraight

            but I find it to be quite a difficult task here. I posted a comment based on my experience and my
            husband's experience the day before yesterday. You jumped right  on me with all those non sense of socket puppets. I did not read the all the comments so I did not understand what you were saying. After reading all the comments and your rambling, I finally realized that YOU were accusing me of being dishonest and posing as somebody else.  Even though you made a lame correction saying that I might be someone else, you did not learn from this experience at all. You are still accusing people here and there based on your distorted reasoning. I am sad to say that you are a sorry disgrace to the law profession. If you want to use my argument here, then quote my whole comment Your bias has rendered you inadequate to paraphrase any body.

          •  Dear Istillhope, we fight with open strategy no (4+ / 0-)
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            evoleidde, xgz, Buhui, hqc

            conspiracy. I hate lies and like truth.

            I do not know evoleidde. We do not have any personal connection. I recommended her comment, because I agree with what she said. Except for those books xgz recommended, here is another memoir  Red Scarf Girl, written by Ji-li Jiang. The book's foreword is written by David Henry Hwang. My 11-year-old son recommended it to those who wanted to know about Culture Revolution. He read it when he was 9. The author had a worse family background than Fuping, her grandfather was a landlord and her father was a "rightist".

            Why I showed up at that moment? Because that was Chinese New Year's eve,   I just finished a party at home with a few friends and then I went online,  decided to stay up late to welcome the New Year to come.  Like you, I go to this website every day to check how the debates are going on whenever I have time.

            Why I can recommend her comment “instantly”(your word)? When you went online, on the top of the dairy, you can see how many new comments you have left. So you can go directly to the new comments. I did not notice what time she made that comment. Everyone can see that there are coincidences like "instantly" recommending other's comments. It is so unreasonable of you to be such suspicious and ridiculously doubt me and evoleidde and hurt our reputation.  I do not know if evoleidde will come back or not.  I hope she will come back and read these. Maybe you can teach me what kind of connection that would violate what rules here.   I hope if you have some software or something you can prove that I have not any such “illegal” connection with her. As a trusted user here I care about my reputation and I would do all I can to defend my reputation.

            I should have hide rated you the first time you made that conspiracy comment on me and evleidde but I did not, because I understood your intention here was good. You dislike CPC. I dislike CPC. But I like truth, justice, freedom and democracy. I like to fight for them, and fight with actions that will hurt our democratic movement such as lies. That is why I am here to find out truth.  That is why I once commented that I think here had less racism but more stereotypical thinking. I think kind Americans who care about China’s democracy and human rights deserve to know truth. As I have commented before, I thought Fuping’s lies would damage our democratic movement and the reputation of the US free media. I came to America to learn from your people and will bring things I learn back China to fight for freedom and Democracy. Our strategy is to fight with an open and nonviolent movement.  We prefer to be open because it is the best strategy to fight and to protect us from a very cruel and powerful dictator government.  We prefer to be open because a society of freedom and democracy should be an open society without conspiracy. We have to be open from now for our purpose for future. That is why I dislike liars and I am unhappy that you make those comments on me.  That is why I think you owe us an apology.

            As a woman and a humanitarian, I care very much about women’s right. I want to help women who are suffering.  Ms Fu looks like a successful woman in business but I believe in deep heart she is sad with such a childhood during terrible Culture Revolution (lacking of love and caring from responsible adults and lacking of normal education which were sufferings of almost every child at that time). My help for Ms. Fu is to hope and encourage her to speak out truth. Only truth can help her, if she has real problem such as childhood trauma.  She does not need to make up any stories, because truth is more powerful and touching than lies. She needs to know.

            If you really care about women’s rights, you should help Ms. Fu. If you really want to help her, and believe that she had been raped,  as a lawyer, you should provide her some legal help, such as find out true criminals, sue them and let justice shine on her and cure her childhood trauma.

    •  I would not have hide rated you (4+ / 0-)
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      And didn't yesterday despite your totally unwarranted accusation. However, you invited a friend over to hide rate me who had never participated in the discussion. This is a serious violation of netiquette and blatant abuse of hide rate.

      If you and your friend continue to abuse hide rate in this manner, then I will continue to hide rate both of you.

      I have sent a private message to Sharon Wraight and have revealed to her my real identity. You are a lawyer and you should know the consequences of false accusations.

      •  Speaking of "baseless allegations" (0+ / 0-)

        I do not know Sharon Wraight and I did not send her here.  The reality is that nearly anyone who read the gang rape diary who was not operating on your specific agenda could immediately see that there was something very fishy afoot.

        •  Interesting. On what basis should I believe (1+ / 0-)
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          your word that you did not send Sharon Wraight here? You see there are always things that might look suspicious if you have a preconceived notion that someone is guilty. If you really are a lawyer you should know.

          Why are you unable to put yourself in other people's shoes?

          •  I pointed to concrete facts (0+ / 0-)

            in the other diary, that showed a repeated pattern of suspicious behavior between you and Buhai, a brand new user.  You cannot point to any fact against me and Sharon. Both of whom have been here a while, and have no apparent commonalities. See the difference?

            I also do not have an agenda. I knew nothing about this case, and would have no problem disbelieving a person who claims to have been raped, if there were actual evidence instead of repugnant baseless assertions.

            You have shown an obsession with Ping Fu (and a racist distaste for "white Americans.")

            •  You don't have any concrete facts (1+ / 0-)
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              Random posting times are just that, random. You actually had a stronger case with Curious because the timing with him was much more "accurate". Your judgment on the Ping Fu matter is equally subjective.

              If you believe that thousands of Chinese Americans are all involved in a vast conspiracy to smear Ping Fu because they all get paid by the Chinese government, then there is no doubt that is a racist attitude. A distaste for such an attitude is what an open minded person should have. You have disgraced the liberal label by your closed-mindedness and paranoia.

              •  "Thousands?" "Chinese Government"? 'Conspiracy"? (1+ / 0-)
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                I never mentioned any of these things.  I just pointed out the one or two people are trying to pump up a diary in a blatantly suspicious manner.

                It is not like I am accusing someone of writing an entire book full of lies.

                •  It was hardly random (1+ / 0-)
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                  Until I pointed it out, no matter how late at night or how early in the morning, either of you posted the other was there to immediately recommend that post.

                  Whenever I made a comment ( during the times you were posting), exactly one of you made an immediate response, and the other never posted at the same time.  While Buhai was drafting a particularly long comment you did not make any comments, as soon as she posted her comment you were right back to your immediate replies.

                  You were also both absent during the exact same blocks of time.

                •  You should read the dailybeast (0+ / 0-)

                  http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

                  You are still too timid.

                  I say “army” of assailants, but how many there are and where they are is one of the tantalizing unknowns in Internet warfare conducted anonymously. Two user names—20, a hundred—may conceal a single identity. The Wizard of Oz syndrome has been powerfully amplified, in this case, by the openness, some would say naiveté, of Amazon. It’s a brilliant company, but its book review site is not designed to repel boarders. Anyone with multiple email addresses and user names can click that many times on the invitations to write a customer review or say which other reviews they found helpful. Some 500 have clicked on the low one-star rating for Bend, Not Break, and 100 on the five-star—but this, too, is deceptive, since some five-star reviews are bogus, infiltrating more poison than praise. Second, the hostile ratings can be boosted by a tongue-in-cheek click: “I found this [nasty] review helpful.”

                  Take the industrious "Lin." Male, female, or hermaphrodite. Lin has led the customer review section with a five-star but hostile review of January 22 that was pages long. Amazon justified this, it seems, by the statement that “1,301 of 1,379 found the following review helpful.” Lin was still leading the reviews on February 9. How was this achieved when other genuine reviews of merit had appeared and the legend was unchanged that 1,301 of 1,379 “found the following review helpful?” Amazon has a button to enable readers to alert the site to abuse. It doesn’t seem to have much effect.

    •  Personal attacks are cheap and (4+ / 0-)
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      xgz, Buhui, evoleidde, hqc

      and name calling is even cheaper. Anyone can easily make a few cheap shots at anybody else. Here are a few I can easily deal at you without making any intellectual efforts:

      You said you are a defense lawyer, right? Then, you must be a lousy one. You have been sitting here day and night making speculations based on no evidence and resorting to name calling when others stand up for truth.  My bet is that you have lost 99% of your cases and nobody wants to hire you and, therefore, you have so much time throwing your stupid, cheap, lowly shots at others. Why not go to some other place and find something better to do? Or, if you want to stay here since nobody wants to hire you, write something that makes sense.

      Just kidding, not serious at all. I just want to demonstrate how easy cheap shots can be made. Peace.

    •  This was a serious question. I read the FAQ (0+ / 0-)

      and could not find the answer.  I would be happy to turn this matter over to DKOS.

    •  There is. You do it at helpdesk, with the link (3+ / 0-)
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      xgz, Future Gazer, hqc

      in the upper right.

      Do not accuse people of sockpuppetry in comments. Send your evidence (with links) to admin. Public accusations make moderation much more difficult. Thanks.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 10:17:39 AM PST

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  •  You are right to keep righting on this wobbly (7+ / 0-)

    Ping Fu book.  It is the only way to challenge her and bring truth to the fore.  You have produced a record of note which can be the used as reference.  Just remember as I think you now know, some have a vested interest in seeing Ping Fu as an honest representation and you must be strong in the face of this.  Over time her ill gotten gain will wear thin and your analysis will have great merit.  Keep up this writing if you are able.  Persistence is very important in this type of issue.  People will gain respect for your effort and  see it's truth.  Hard fought you will win in the end as you have already, but are shaky about it internally.  I find your work nothing short of extraordinary xgz.  It brings a window into China and the United States without an equal as far as I see.  I learn so much from your work as it is so condensed and well argued.

    •  Thank you for the encouragement (5+ / 0-)
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      I hope that we all come out of this episode better, with a better understanding both of ourselves and each other.

      Sometime I also say things that are rushed and lacked consideration. And it is people like you, who tolerate such flaws and try to understand in the big picture, that makes the cultural barriers easier to overcome.

      Human rights and democracy are important to us, but they can last only of they are built on truth. Lies will not lead us there.

  •  I think I missed a few with the (4+ / 0-)
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    xgz, Buhui, hailanzhiguang, yjbc

    blizzard going through.  Thanks for the links.  I'll go check them now.

    "The light which puts out our sight is darkness to us." Thoreau

    by NancyWH on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:46:31 PM PST

  •  Excellent analysis (5+ / 0-)
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    xgz, hqc, hailanzhiguang, yjbc, dddc

    The analysis in this dairy is useful not only for understanding the situation around Fu's book. It helps me to avoid falling into trap of similar kind. Intellectual laziness, yeah I confess that I can be lazy time to time.
    You are doing a great service to both Americans and Chinese. It would be nightmare if Ping Fu and Ping Fu like persons someday claiming heroes of democracy movement in China. If we don't speak up now, sooner or later there will be no body left to speak up for us.  

  •  Not a Chinese American... (3+ / 0-)
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    xgz, hailanzhiguang, yjbc

    although there is a phrase my father said .... got repeated quite often in his childhood, "Born a Chinese, die a Chinese ghost." Yeah, he's from Taiwan. It's an island the Dutch an Portuguese found rather interesting.

    You may be fighting an uphill battle... I might share some genes with you but you see, I was educated in America all the freaking way. You may or may not be able to better reach your audience by also including a historical timeline starting with the end of the Qing dynasty.

    9th grade history class is world history. Towards the end of the school year, there may be some discussion about Chinese history beyond the 1900's but it is always in a Western perspective. IT's not like you need to know what happened in China to get into college or whatever. In one ear, out the other. I remember seeing a video about the Goddess of Democracy and tanks rolling through Tiananmen Sq. Shows you how much I paid attention.

    What the cultural revolution was for you... was kind of like the 228 massacre for my grandparents (it is okay to tell me, "Don't put me in your league!"). My parents did not know the truth until after they came to America. They came to understand why THEIR parents did not discuss it with them.

    But today, there is a memorial plaque at Nanjing west road in Taipei city that marks the flash point of the 228 incident. There is also a 228 memorial & museum... which I have visited. It is very, very solemn. There were many victims killed in the all out military suppression conducted by the ROC administration. There were people whose hands were strung with barbed wire. Some survivors have those scars. If not for Lee Teng-Hui coming out about it in 1995, this topic would still be taboo.

    My hope is that China can also face its own history in an appropriate manner. There is nothing that can reprieve the injustices and wrongdoings. However, it is harder to even admit the real effects of the cultural revolution when it is blown out of proportion. Instead, it makes it easier to suppress and blockade the truths into the lie section. You may be inclined to let your emotions flair but control them. Being rational is key and I'm you can achieve that.

    Unfortunately, the victims of this period of brutal history are aging... so for the government, all they have to do is wait it out. They value their stability above all else.

    Why hello there reality, how are you doing?

    by Future Gazer on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 02:25:13 AM PST

    •  Thanks for your perspective (5+ / 0-)
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      The Cultural Revolution was much much worse than 228. It was more like a Chinese version of the Holocaust, magnified many times.

      The Cultural Revolution officially lasted ten years. It consisted many "movements", each of which caused tremendous suffering in China. The worst were during 1966-1967 period. Many people were either beaten to death or committed suicide because they could not endure the pain. Imagine that you take French Revolution, the Holocaust, and Stalin, and roll all of them into one. That would come close to the Cultural Revolution.

    •  Your hope (4+ / 0-)
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      "that China can also face its own history in an appropriate manner"

      Correct! This is exactly what we are trying to do here. The first thing is to get facts out, no lies, no cover-ups. I am one of millions Chinese who lived suffered the Cultural Revolution and who is still alive. I don't expect Americans who never lived there during that time truly understand what was going on, but little bit support for lair-hunting is not too much to ask.

      To go beyond this Fu's book, I am frustrated that I do not know what book to read about Chinese history to understand why China is stuck in a seemingly endless time loop. Too many lies told about its history. For example, it was a common notion shared by many Chinese that the imperialists bullied China because China didn't have advantage in science and weapons. This partial truth inspired many students coming in waves to the West and study sciences. The sad reality was that China got beaten mainly because its system was corrupted and the government lost support from its people. What China needs most now are people better educated in democracy, laws, and political sciences, instead of science and finance since there are plenty of them already.  

      Come back to your 228 vs. the CR and xgz's comments about Nazi Germany and  the French Revolution. One quite unique feature of CR is that people were turning against each other. During numerous fights, both sides engaged in killing in the name of defending Mao ZeDong. After 1949, with exception of early few years during his "reign", Mao did not give any order to kill but his policies starved ~30 millions to death during 1959-1962. He soon realized his power was slipping away, and launched CR in 1966.  Shanghai was slow in responding his call. The first wave of Red Guards from Beijing came to disable the local government. Many of my friends' parents were forced to meetings to be humiliated as counter-revolutionaries. "Life and Death in Shanghai" describes the sufferings of one class of Shanghaiis. Children were all left out, no body paid any attention to us.

      Since we are on the topic of lies and liars, a detail will show that Fu didn't live in Shanghai (in addition to a xgz's previous dairy) -- One had to be a registered citizen in Shanghai to stay a long period of time, or to go to school there. How hard was to get registered in Shanghai during those years if you were not born as a native Shanghaiis? It was harder than obtaining a greed card in the US, and harder than getting the citizenship in Switerland for a foreigner.   (you couldn't get it by marriage).

      •  The opium war set China back a long ways (2+ / 0-)
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        xgz, yjbc

        I think that's one of the big, big items that caused China to be subject to imperialism. This is a western perspective so it may or may not be entirely accurate. It'd be interesting to compare 'history' as you and I know it of China from when the Empress Dowager abdicated the throne all the way to Tiananmen. I can try to find out what my world history class textbook was but it's been so long ago (almost 10 years).

        I was wrong to compare 228 to CR. Maybe more like Tiananmen Square. They are both unique. It's not "my" 228 though. It was something my grandparents lived through. I am just related to some people who still treat it as taboo (they won't talk about it). However, I think how the ROC dealt with this piece of bloodstained history is the best it can do. You can't undo stringing people's hands with barbed wire and blindfolding them. You can't undo Red Guards taking everything from you and people turning against each other. There is no practical reprieve at this time other than an apology and a vow to never let such a thing happen again. Knowledge should be open.

        In trying to get "American" support, there are some attitudes you have to face on top of ignorance. It's hard when there are jokes that fly around like "Hey look, something made in NOT China." This is more of a jab with the current American trade practice in exploiting cheap labor abroad than a jab at you as the Chinese people (well okay, the CCP artificially keeping the Yuan cheap has a little bit to do with it). However, some can't make that distinction.

        What is the Chinese government's official stance on things like CR? Tiananmen? Never happened? Happened but rewriting it in super positive light?

        Why hello there reality, how are you doing?

        by Future Gazer on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 08:53:30 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Your question cannot be answered in a short (4+ / 0-)
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          comment.

          Let me try to describe how Chinese government today is treating these subjects.

          Chinese government officially has admitted that the Cultural Revolution was very bad. It describes it as 十年浩劫 (great calamity). The communist party has put into the official resolution that the responsibility of the Cultural Revolution was Mao's. A previous commenter mentioned that for someone to criticize the Cultural Revolution would not be so courageous as the west perceives, because it would agree with the official position of the Chinese government.

          Tiananmen is a totally different question. It is completely forbidden to say it. In fact, if you post something on a Chinese website, the numbers 89 and 64 would be replaced by * * . So a Chinese phrase "八九不离十" would appear as "**不离十". Any intentional mention of the event would cause a visit from the public security beauru.

    •  Does dailykos punish liar? (5+ / 0-)
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      hailanzhiguang, hqc, xgz, yjbc, dddc

      If you or any body are accusing me to be the same person as xgz, let's find out if dailykos can conduct an investigation. Whoever lose the case gets ID banned.

      •  From her hide rates it seems that (2+ / 0-)
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        Buhui, yjbc

        She is accusing Curious and I are the same person. It's a serious accusation. I have revealed to her my real identity. Hopefully she can verify it, and also verify who Curious is. Then she can make an apology here.

        I don't want them to lose their accounts over this. They may be misguided but certainly had good intentions.

        •  Hehe, I didn't even bother to check her (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Buhui, yjbc

          links. It looks like she is accusing Buhui, hqc, and Curious as sockpuppets. It's funny. I'll send you private msgs.

        •  Whoever makes a false accusation without evidences (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          xgz, yjbc, hqc

          should lose at least the privilege to hide rate if not the account.

          •  It's not that simple (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Buhui, yjbc

            If there are enough people willing to hide rate her, then she'll lose hide rate privilege. But this diary is not attracting that many people here, and people are just likely to side with her.

            This is just a misunderstanding.

            I sent a privat msg to you, did you see it? If you click "Messages" on the right of the screen, you can read and send messages to other people on this site.

      •  Buhai,If you want to prove to me that you are real (0+ / 0-)

        and not working with the diarist, I would be happy to apologize.  While I may have some suspicions regarding  other users, yours is the one that is clearly connected to xgz in some way.

        Just be very careful if you want to pursue this further as I have a very high lever software engineer at my disposal, who will be bale to determine if you have been posting from the same locale should I choose to pursue this.  If you want to let this drop I will do so as well, as I feel there is enough of a record to let people decide for themselves.

        •  I can contact you privately (0+ / 0-)

          if we can find a proper way. e.g. I can phone your office.

          •  I need an internet trail (0+ / 0-)

            to be convinced, not a woman's voice on the phone.  Earlier you referred to an internet war you took part in prior to the election. Send me the link with your user name.   I already have enough info to trace XGZ's internet personna.  If you come from different locales I will apologize.

            •  It is a Chinese website (0+ / 0-)

              and I was using a Chinese name in Chinese Character, not Buhui.

            •  Let's figure out a way (1+ / 0-)
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              xgz

              to prove the point but protect my privacy. I don't have any reason to drop this interesting process at all. One of your reasons was xgz and I never post notes at exact same time. But you know, the probability of of being at "exact" the same time is always zero.

            •  Can you use these info? (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              xgz

              I posted some thing on,
              http://www.oprah.com/...

              and

              http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

              I used some name Buhui there.

              •  Do you have any internet history (0+ / 0-)

                that does not concern this book?  It certainly looks like 'Buhai" was created for the sole purpose of appearing in as many forums as possible to make it appear that there is an independent person who agrees with the other critics.

                My husband is very busy so I do not know when he will get to it but, if you insist,  I will ask him if he has time to look at your various posting (as well as xgz's) to see if he can see where they are coming from.

                It probably wont be in the next few days.

                It would be so much easier if there was a way for DKOS to handle this.

                If you guys stop posting about this I will just let it go and let readers judge for themselves.

                •  What a sorry excuse to silence people (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  hailanzhiguang

                  Why should we stop posting about this? Just because you suspect that we are acting in a coordinated way? Wow, what has this country come to!

                  You are the prosecutor, the judge, and the jury, all rolled in one.

                  Sorry, it won't work that way. At least as long as there is still something called the freedom of speech.

                  You owe all of us a big apology. I won't let it go.

                •  I am patient (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  xgz

                  to wait. Istillhope, you will be disappointed since xgz is not Buhui.

        •  Please don't drop (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Buhui, hqc

          As I am expecting a full apology from you.

          •  Can anyone think a way (0+ / 0-)

            just to find out xgz and I are not from the same internet location but keep my internet info confidential?

            •  e-mail (0+ / 0-)

              using a service does not obscure IP originations in the e-mail header.

              do not use vpn or proxy for this either. it's not hard to find list of service proxies. if you are at work may be different story. like me, for example, i work in a university but they also have vpn access.

              I don't believe hotmail obscures IP origination of sender. gmail and anything that uses gmail including university gmail accounts.

              then you just need to read original header and either hunt through a header analyzer (google has one) or you can eyeball it yourself.

              Why hello there reality, how are you doing?

              by Future Gazer on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 03:13:58 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  too easy to have someone else send email for you (0+ / 0-)

                If Buhai existed before the Ping Fu matter she should have an easily verifiable well established internet identity.

                I am happy to let this go and let readers judge for themselves.  If you really think I have not offered any proof than you have nothing to worry about.

                •  It did sort of irk me that (4+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  hailanzhiguang, xgz, Buhui, hqc

                  there were a few registered users... new to the site and posted in xgz's diaries but given that he had been posting in amazon, i thought it was plausible (Before xgz said so himself) that people came from there. He is refuting a lot of what Ping Fu says happened. I think xgz has done a good job pointing out facts. He might have gone a bit far with the rape claim - this one is just hard to discuss without conjuring up lots of emotion which derails from an objective discussion. I avoided it too, personally. I will keep my mouth shut.

                  I would say time will tell sockpuppets from users apart. I'm here to entertain the discussion, not say OH hey you're a sockpuppet. I don't have the same experience as the people who had suffered through the CR or Tiananmen (I cannot call myself Chinese). I am related to people who suffered atrocities by the losers of the Chinese Civil War so I empathize with the victims of the CR/TNN that exaggerated stories would no doubt obscure the real, real things that did happen. My grandfather won't talk about 228 - he was almost killed that day but he would be much angrier if people made up stories about the whole thing... be it exaggerating the atrocity or rewriting it in a more positive light.

                  China has kind of a reputation against it to begin (milk powder scandal, shanzaiban, black hearted goods, currency manipulation, cheap things made in China breaking so easily etc) with but it is important to separate the people from the government/practices of others that bring suffering. I criticize the Chinese government and self-serving corruption. I empathize with the Chinese people's sufferings. It's not because I share the same genes with them or look like them. It is because we are human. When the milk powder scandal broke, it was not unusual to see those that could get milk powder from abroad just buy it out. Mothers did not want to lose their babies to kidney failure. Every (good) parent's nightmare is witnessing his/her child/children die before them. If a mother came to me saying that she had no faith in the infant formula, I would go buy (what I trust would be safe in America) some for her. I can't do that for too many mothers though - i'm not that rich.

                  Why hello there reality, how are you doing?

                  by Future Gazer on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 04:39:42 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I would like to explain (2+ / 0-)
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                    xgz, hailanzhiguang

                    i am a newly registered user, but i did not come from Amazon. I have been a fan of dailykos for a long time. I used to have an account here when G.W.Bush was in office. This site had provided me a lot of comfort and hope then, especially during the election years. However, I came to this site much less often now since Obama took office and I have never felt the need to comment on it until now. I tried to recover my old account since new users have to wait for several days before you can comment but did not succeed. I hope you don't have a seniority rule here.

                  •  Most Chinese Americans are not interested (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    hailanzhiguang

                    in politics. That's also why they have fewer representatives (a total of 1) than their population percentage (1%). The attack on the Chinese American community by the mainstream media in the Ping Fu affair has awoken many Chinese Americans. They realize that they need to have a voice. This leads to a sudden surge in the newly registered online accounts by Chinese Americans. The media and people like Istillhope do not understand this. They imagine that it is some kind of conspiracy.

                    •  I don't know if this is true for the Chinese (2+ / 0-)
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                      xgz, hailanzhiguang

                      the generation of Taiwanese people (not inclusive of the ones that fled the mainland - I cannot speak for them) that grew up under the Nationalists in Taiwan were basically told to pursue either engineering or medicine. Becoming a lawyer or politician would get you killed or miserably ruffled by the party if you were against them or did something that did not benefit them.

                      You should see my mother when she has to watch the television in Taiwan lol. I have to tell her to turn it off lest it raises her blood pressure. I would describe her as concerned but not politically active. She doesn't go around forums and stuff like that.

                      I only registered for Dailykos because I was thoroughly entertained by the 2012 election season. The aftermath is just mish mash of random things that catch my interest.

                      I would like to remind/tell everyone of a link - this is not directed at a particular party... this is just information for everyone. You can use it if you wish.

                      There is something called Courtesy Kos. They have a talk me down service which allows you to talk things over in case you feel like there is a pie fight coming or something. They are here to help keep things civil and the dialogue objective. This is not moderation where some administration can exercise power like bans or privilege revocations... I would think of it as like an advice line.

                      http://www.dailykos.com/...

                      It's up to you if you want to use it. I personally don't get so entrenched in issues that I feel the need to conjure up a bunch of emotions and make a cathartic dump on the comments.

                      Why hello there reality, how are you doing?

                      by Future Gazer on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 06:15:39 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Thanks for the link (1+ / 0-)
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                        hailanzhiguang

                        I'll check it out.

                        What I want to know is, who's on the other side :-)

                        •  Users who are committed to good dialogue (3+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          xgz, hailanzhiguang, elfling

                          One of the things that Americans really take issue with is guns. There is a gradient of opinions with respect to how mass killings using weapons (namely guns) can be curtailed. It conjures lots of emotions and fears.

                          There have been lots of nasty comment fights and name calling... over things related to guns. I've witnessed some nasty pie fights which is not constructive at all. It's just name-calling, cathartic sarcasm, etc. Things like "You, supporting 2nd amendment rights, are just an enabler of child murderers." Not constructive! The reverse happens and it becomes back and forth with zero progression on the discussion.

                          One of the things that would more than benefit you and the new users who want to support you would be to keep sane dialogue.

                          So saying stuff like, "well you're a defense lawyer, aren't you ? i thought you knew." is not constructive dialogue. It just makes that person defensive and you lose sight of what the discussion should be about. Even if it is done to you, you (I'm referring to everyone!) should also take care not to respond with the same.

                          Why hello there reality, how are you doing?

                          by Future Gazer on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 06:58:31 PM PST

                          [ Parent ]

            •  If you can enlist dailykos' help, (2+ / 0-)
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              xgz, hailanzhiguang

              you can easily prove that you and xgz are from different IP. Since dailykos is running on a web server, it will always keep an access log of some kind that has your IP address, request, timestamp and so on.  It would be harder if dailykos runs behind a farm on multiple nodes, but  not much harder if you provide dailykos tech people with your IP. It would be even easier if dailykos harvests your ip and store it with your comments. Just don't give your IP to this hope person.

        •  You are not the sockpuppet police (4+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          xgz, Future Gazer, hailanzhiguang, hqc

          I will state for the record that I have checked Buhui's account and am satisfied.

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 10:45:25 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Blatant abuse of hide rate (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      hailanzhiguang, hqc, Buhui, yjbc

      There are no sockpuppets here.

    •  you are wrong (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      xgz, Buhui, hailanzhiguang, yjbc

      I learned this site through Amazon. I registered the account because I want to show my respect and support for his commitment to get truth out, just that simple.

    •  It's quite arrogant of you to pass judgement (4+ / 0-)
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      Buhui, hailanzhiguang, yjbc, hqc

      based on a single piece of evidence. These three new id's were registered recently. The reason is simple: My previous diaries were reposted on the Amazon website, and people who read it there want to come over here and participate in the discussion.

      There is nothing wrong for new members to come for only one reason. We can gradually introduce them to other topics. You should thank me for attracting new members to dkos. Instead, you have set a very bad example for them.

      I think you owe me, the new members and the dkos community an apology.

      •  sockpuppet (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        xgz, Buhui, yjbc

        I have to google to find out what this term means.

        I first learned of this website through Fang Zhouzi's weibo (sort of Chinese version of twitter) where I use the same ID.  

        I also post on Amazon using the same ID. This diary series has become well-known. People post links on Amazon whenever a new diary entry appears.

        xgz: You are a rationale and reasonable person. I would be happy to know you in real life as well.

        By the way, are you PKU 79 to 80? I am 78. Ping Fu and I entered college at the same time.

        Lots of people use Beijing University. That drives me crazy. I have heard that, when they standardized the spelling of Beijing, three things were allowed to keep the Peking name: Peking University, Peking opera and Peking duck.  

        •  I'm PKU 79 (1+ / 0-)
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          Glad to meet you, brother (师兄).

        •  I sent you a private message (0+ / 0-)

          There is a linkg "Messages" on the right of your screen. You can read and send private messages there.

        •  Peking duck (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          xgz

          Yum!

          I want some.... drool :(

          我想吃北京烤鴨~

          Why hello there reality, how are you doing?

          by Future Gazer on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 12:17:42 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Curious I apologize to you (0+ / 0-)

          There is ample evidence that the diarist is part of a concerted campaign against Ping Fu which includes misrepresentations.

          However if it appeared that I called you out specifically, I apologize since  I actually have no idea if you are connected to the campaign or not.  I issued a retraction in the gang rape diary.

          If you view all the comments in the gang rape diary in context I hope it will be clear why the timing of your arrival was so suspicious, however it did not rise to the level of utter synchronicity which exists between Buhai and the diarist.  This, the suggestion of impropriety was beneath me, as it indeed could have been a coincidence.

          You also have not made the same kind of  ugly comments, or shown the same inexplicable knowledge of this site that some of the other "brand new" users have shown.

          If it appeared that I made an an accusation against you specifically,  I retract and apologize.

        •  U O ducks in Peking? (0+ / 0-)

          Somewhere in Eugene an Oregon alum's head explodes.

    •  Sockpuppet? Not Me! (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Buhui, xgz, dddc

      I should be upset because of the wrong accusation made against me, but I just thought the whole thing is rather funny, I am more amused than angry.

      Although I like to read people's blogs/dairies, I never bothered to register an account anywhere to participate in any discussion or made any comment. Surely I have my own opinions about the topics being debated, but most of time, I only share my opinion with my husband. This time, I decided to register an account  for the reasons I mentioned in my earlier rely. And yet, I was accused of being some body else, isn’t that funny?

      On a side note, I wish I were xgz, I wish I had his intellectual intelligence, his excellent writing skills, his logic and critical thinking ability, his passions to promote democracy movement for China, his commitment to get truth out, his courage to bring up the most difficult topic to the table, his tolerance for some of his readers misunderstanding him and wrongfully accusing him, some even abusing him. I am very proud that he is one of my own people.

      I don’t know if DKOS has a way to verify that I am not xgz. I request DKOS  to launch an investigation. Once my name is cleared, I demand an apology from those who made the false accusation. I have to say those people left me a bad taste about this site, not that they care, I get that too.    

    •  meatpuppets (0+ / 0-)

      Wikipedia, entry for Sockpuppet, see sub-category of Meatpuppet:

      [C]ontributions of new community members ... suspected of having been recruited by an existing member to support their position. Such a recruited member is considered analogous to a sockpuppet even though [s/]he is actually a separate individual (i.e. "meat") rather than a fictitious creation.
      I don't know what's going on here, but the following is not normal DailyKos behavior:
      * Eight diaries attacking Ping Fu's book, in just 10 days, by a single individual? (The eight diaries began on January 31 EST, which is Feb 1 CST in China†).
      * Vicious accusations against Ping Fu, rather than giving her some poetic license for embellishments about events that happened decades ago when she was a child?
      * More attacks against Ping Fu in the comments, mainly coming from a gang of eight, several of whom joined DailyKos in the past 10 days and have only contributed to these diaries?
      * Scurrilous accusations in the comments, leaping to charges of racism and lying, against those who question this abnormal behavior?
      * A very-similar rhetorical style, cadence, and literary voice in several of the comments appearing under different names?
      * Comments from new users which extol the diary or beg the author for more of the same.
      * Hide-rating the very people they are engaged in 'conversation' with, and hide rating in one's own diaries. -- in explicit contravention of DailyKos norms of civil discourse?
      * Ignoring or dismissing any arguments in favor of Ping Fu's book? Taking only small pieces of her responses to critics, rather than their major points? E.g. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
      http://chinadigitaltimes.net/...
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/...
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/... etc.
      * Ignoring the fundamental point that this is a memoir, not journalism. E.g., as Ping Fu says: “Somehow in my mind I always thought I saw it, but now I’m not sure my memory served me right. I probably saw it in a movie or something, and I acknowledge that’s a problem.”
      * Ignoring the amazing success story of Ping Fu. (Just for starters, she was smart enough in 1992 to hire undergraduate Marc Andreessen to work in her National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA) lab, where he developed Mosaic, the web browser credited with popularizing the World Wide Web. When Marc graduated in 1993, he went on to found Netscape Communications.)
      * Agonizingly detailed hairsplitting and rhetorical somersaults to castigate Ping Fu's book. Etc.

      This raises some questions.

      Whatever the answers, this is not behavior that helps elect more and better Democrats (which is the main goal of DailyKos), nor even helps to build community here (an ancillary and supportive goal). To the contrary, it is divisive, vitriolic rhetoric with an axe to grind.

      ---
      The Chinese government does in fact pay trolls to post on the Internet, though I have no idea if any of them posted on Amazon.com against Ping Fu's book (and I assume none are here). See for example "China's Paid Trolls", http://www.newstatesman.com/... .

      †On February 1, China Daily’s Chinese portal posted an article about Fu’s “exaggerations,” including a picture [falsely] seeming to substantiate claims that she was a Red Guard during the Cultural Revolution. The article was widely forwarded on Sina Weibo.
      ---
      Here are some of the attacks leveled in comments, mainly by xgz:
      Fu Ping was a Red Guard. Defending Red Guard is exactly what you are doing. She is a liar. By defending a liar and accusing others of being tools for the Chinese government, you have seriously damaged your own credibility.
      You bastard! Shame on you!
      Your are as despicable as the liar herself
      ... just shows the intellectual laziness on your part.
      Your sloppy treatment of this topic... You want to justify what you believe to be true by bending facts in your favor and ignoring other evidence. This is how you lose credibility. ...
      You are totally confused. ... This is just laughable. ... Your ignorance of China is too painful to watch.
      You on the other hand have failed to contribute anything positive here, other than put your arrogance on full display.
      Please stop
      making yourself a laughing stock.
      Your intellectual dishonesty is pretty obvious here.
      Your paranoid is rather entertaining
      ---
      White liberals' self-righteousness, that's what you represent.
      Get out of here then
      and you may come back when you learn something meaningful in your own ways.

      •  Conspiracy theory is a bannable offense (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Buhui, hqc

        Read the diaries before making comments please.

      •  Enough is enough (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        xgz, hqc

        Sharon Wraight,
        I want DKOS to confirm that Buhui is not xgz. You are bringing shame on yourself by accusing me without base.

        Your style reminds me exactly Chinese communist party in 60s-70s, taking a sentence out of the context to make your point. Were your trained in their summer camp?

      •  Light on the "meat." (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Sharon Wraight

        At least they are stealing from their paymasters. Wasting their money.

        Copying the same crap over and over, they're getting paid by the comment. But it's the same exact stuff.

        "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

        by bontemps2012 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 04:05:07 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  No. (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      xgz, Future Gazer, hailanzhiguang, hqc

      If you have an issue with suspected sockpuppets, I need you to report them to helpdesk in the upper right with the evidence and links that you have. Do not make accusations in comments, do not HR on sight based on your guess.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 10:40:09 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  To clarify I have not practiced law in years (0+ / 0-)

    nothing I state should be construed as legal advice.  I only brought up my background as a defense attorney to refute the diarists position that I was attacking him because of an agenda to always defend an alleged rape victim.

    (I have also represented the State and victims).

    I have tried to refrain from personal attacks and would appreciate if the "new" users would do the same.

  •  Does anyone else see the irony? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    bontemps2012

    You guys are insisting that a woman has written a book "full of lies" and have made the extreme allegation that she has lied about being gang raped based on repugnant nonsensical arguments such as: 1) teenagers of the time did not know enough about sex to commit rape; 2) The nature of the locale where she was treated somehow proves that while she might have "been beaten' she could not have been "raped."

    Yet you are outraged that some of us have pointed out that some of your user identities are a little fishy.

    Well I do not have any more time for this. If one of you finds a way to prove me wrong I will apologize.  But until such a time I will rely on the fact that I have shown far more support for my minor allegations than  you have shown for your incredibly serious one.

    If you have proof please send it to me privately.  I will not be back.  

    •  You intentionally missed my objection (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      xgz, dddc, hqc, hailanzhiguang

      I pointed out that such a gang-rape event couldn't be kept quiet, especially Ping Fu also described that Zhang, nurse, and people who carried her to the infirmary knew about this.
      You just do not want to deal with your own incapability of understand something outside your life experience. You are not able to think outside box.
      So, any effort to convince you is meaningless. You are entitled to your opinions, not your own facts.

    •  You were already proven wrong (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      dddc, hqc, hailanzhiguang, Buhui

      twice. What are the chances that you were wrong the third time as well?

      Somehow you give me the feeling that I'm talking to a Republican....

    •  Hey, big shot defense lawyer, (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      xgz, hqc, Buhui

      don't assume you are the center of attention. You are not that important. None of us give you a dime.  Do you really think we care about your apology? People are not here to prove you wrong. They are here to prove Ping Fu's stories wrong.

      I rest my case!

    •  You are seeing a Party Line (0+ / 0-)

      representation.

      At 8-cents-USD per posting, this is quite a good job in the Chinese labor market. Close to $10 an hour.

      google [ ai wei-wei internet ]

      (The "50-cent" figure is based on the yuan, the Chinese dollar. It is worth 16 cents USD.)

      Western web site users/hobbyists are accustomed to seeing their postings. We're polite enough to allow them to make a living.

      Meanwhile, these postings are repetitive, dull, rude. Of course a waste of money. China does a lot of wasting money.

      "Have you left no sense of decency, sir, at long last?" Army Attorney to Sen. McCarthy, 1954. "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012.

      by bontemps2012 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 04:21:43 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  If you suggest (2+ / 0-)
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        that anyone here is paid $10/hour to post messages here, you over estimated our wages. We are paid nothing. Yes, completely nothing for posting these comments. If this thought pleases you... oh, why not.

        •  Don't engage that "50-cent" guy or gal, (3+ / 0-)
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          he/she does not even know how to convert usd to yuan. 50 cents RMB is about 8c USD  (not 16c USD). Why engage someone who can't even make simple calculations. With 50 cents RMB, you can only hire a migrant worker for 5 minutes in China! What a whopping 50-cents!!!

  •  Just posted a review of her book on Amazon (4+ / 0-)
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    xgz, Buhui, dddc, hailanzhiguang

    and gave 5 stars for Ping Fu's contribution to the study of pseudologia fantastica

    See:
    http://www.amazon.com/...

    •  Very good analysis (0+ / 0-)

      This reminds me of some people during the Cultural Revolution who habitually lied in order to curry favors with the people in authority. This happened also among children in elementary schools.

      One reason that her lies are so repulsive, is that they sound so much like the lies we heard during the Cultural Revolution.

      •  New article in Guardian (2+ / 0-)
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        hi xgz,

        An interesting article in the British newspaper Guardian

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

        Below is the first paragraph:

        "A successful US entrepreneur faces mounting questions over her widely lauded tale of childhood torment in China's cultural revolution, as fresh contradictions emerge and experts cast doubt on key elements of her story."

        By the way, I still cannot read the message you sent me. I tried to get help but none is coming. Frustrating!

        •  Yes, see my new diary (0+ / 0-)

          here.

          Perhaps you have to wait for a few more days or accumulate enough points to activate the message box. That's ok. I just gave you my real name. We can wait until you get access to the mail box.

    •   Very nice. Thank you. (1+ / 0-)
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