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I keep trying to type in other subjects, but they all come out saying, "NSA, NSA, NSA."

There are other things going on. I swear! And we'll try to pry ourselves away for a while, since it's becoming clearer with each passing day that the NSA story is becoming less and less clear. But maybe that's what makes it so compelling. We can all see whatever we want in it.

The immigration bill inches forward in the Senate, and we can talk about what that does (and doesn't) mean. And Ted Cruz is stomping his feet over the prospect of a budget conference. That needs some attention, too.

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  •  well, there's... (2+ / 0-)
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    skillet, enemy of the people

    Mike Tomasky:

    All right, let’s get back to the IRS. While everyone was focused on the Snowden revelations, we had an interesting development in the IRS matter that throws another several gallons of ice-cold water on Darrell Issa’s alleged case against the Obama administration—and that raises some interesting questions about how Issa and his staff are using the information they have obtained. Republicans have been hoping to ride this horse into 2014 and beyond, but it may be ready for the glue factory already.
    and Mike Bloomberg:  
    On Wednesday, Mr. Bloomberg will send a personal letter to hundreds of the biggest Democratic donors in New York urging them to cut off contributions to the four Democratic senators who helped block a bill in April that would have strengthened background checks on gun purchasers.
    (see March story on nonBloomberg donors.)

    and Jen Rubin's "Republicans are really moderate sweethearts" article:

    I have said from the get go — citing public polling and discussions with Capitol Hill offices — that opposition to any immigration reform is exaggerated because of the volume of the right’s anti-immigrant sect and because the MSM like to dwell on GOP extremism. We got a whiff today that at least among senators, who must generally cater to a cross section of voters, the anti-immigration reform voices are disproportionately represented on mainstream and conservative blogs, radio and TV.
    It wouldn’t be the first time radio talk show hosts and ambitious demagogues exaggerated their own importance and the degree to which they reflect what “Republicans believe.”
    noting the 84-15 vote (gun legislation mostion to proceed, first time, got 68-31).

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 04:55:44 AM PDT

    •  Greg, what about the option of supporting a non- (0+ / 0-)

      incumbent Democrat who actually supports sensible gun policy?  Why is incumbency held so sacred.  Maybe it's time to exercise that ultimate "term limit" and vote the bums out!

      •  absolutely, as encapsulated in (0+ / 0-)

        "primary them".

        See IL-2 for a winning approach (the primary WAS the election in this district.)

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 07:44:38 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Unfortunately, it took the Congressman to admit to (0+ / 0-)

          a severe mental illness and resign to open up this race.  In today's system of "safe districts" and gerrymandering, and virtually unlimited funding, the problem is worse than ever.  Not only is incumbency still a huge advantage, but candidates are forced to take more extreme positions because they fear the fringes of the party more than the majority of their constituents.

          I don't have an answer, but I think that defines the problem pretty well.  Maybe if a few independent candidates ran with truly moderate positions and won that would have an effect,but in order to have a chance to win they'd need to be well funded and that would mean they are probably either wealthy or beholden to wealthy donors.

          Public funding is not really a viable alternative unless Citizens United is repealed.  That probably won't happen anytime soon.

          •  so in them meantime (0+ / 0-)

            we have to be opportunists and pick and choose our spots when they present themselves.

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 01:45:43 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  True. That begs the question, which is more (0+ / 0-)

              effective, targeting conservative Dems or targeting  Republicans in states like my home state of PA?    The problem we have here is that there are more Democrats, but they tend to be concentrated in and around the cities.  

              Carville was basically correct when he said that Pa was Philly in the East, Pittsburgh in the west, and Alabama in between.  There are a few blue or at least purple areas in the middle, but it's tough to see how things will change until the next census.

               Case in point, Corbett still has a chance at reelection even though he has been terrible for the state and has alienated so many constituents with his policies and statements.  

              •  depends (0+ / 0-)

                in AK, Prior is a good target. Elsewhere, more milage with the conservative Rs.

                Corbett? last F&M poll suggests he i beatable.

                4/30 - 5/5/13

                "Do you believe that Tom Corbett has done a good enough job as governor to deserve reelection, or do you believe it is time for a change?"

                Deserves reelection     Time for a change     Unsure       
                25                              64                             11

                "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 03:07:49 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  As an F&M grad, I'm pleased that you put so much (0+ / 0-)

                  stock in their polling, and I would agree, but I think a lot depends on how much money from outside is spent to support him and whether Voter ID laws have an effect on turn out.  

                  I can say that his recent actions with regard to Penn State and the NCAA lawsuit is not helping his case, at least among the alumni I know and there are several.  Even if Corbett is defeated, there are still a lot of right wingers who favor many, if not most of his policies.  

                  Even Mayor Nutter (Phila. D), no Corbett fan to be sure has closed several schools in economically depressed areas of the city and supported construction of a $400 million prison in the suburbs.  It's sometimes tough to be a Progressive in PA. right now.

                  Thanks for taking the time to share your insights.  I thoroughly enjoy your discussions with David and I often learn something.  Keep up the good work.

  •  but then there's (1+ / 0-)
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    enemy of the people

    CSM (authors from MIT Media lab):

    Each citizen would have a personal data store, like an email inbox, that would let them see where data about them goes and how it is being used. The NSA could still get a court order allowing it to use a person’s metadata to track terrorists, but at least an individual could see that something is happening – rather like seeing a police cruiser patrolling the neighborhood. The big difference from now is that individuals could see which companies or government agencies were using data about them, and control these groups’ access to that data.
    Three of the largest U.S. Internet companies called on the U.S. government to provide greater transparency on national security requests on Tuesday, as they sought to distance themselves from reports that portrayed the companies as willing partners in supplying mass user data to security agencies.
    and new polls from CBS, YouGov, Reuters and a 2006 and 2013 Mystery Pollster NSA summary to go with Pew.

    Also from pollster:

    Both [Pew and HuffPost] surveys found that most Americans are paying relatively little attention to the story, which, as the Pew Research Center's Michael Dimock recently pointed out, makes survey results particularly susceptible to differences that are most likely caused by initial reactions to question wording, rather than pre-existing opinions.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 05:07:57 AM PDT

  •  just for fun... (1+ / 0-)
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    enemy of the people

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Wed Jun 12, 2013 at 05:26:58 AM PDT

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