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Of course, that's only first hand knowledge, so it's totally unreliable.

I personally hated 24 hour days of fear and paranoia.  I don't like really hot weather (Over 120 is too hot for me) and I really, really hate wearing heavy body armor.

I don't like people dying either as a direct or indirect result of my actions.  It isn't very nice and I really don't like to think about it after the fact, but my darn brain and moral compass won't let me just forget about it.

(More reasons that I am the wrong person to ask for war votes on the flip)

I don't like seeing other people around me who I work with hurt and injured.  You'd think that would be part and parcel with the last point, but seeing others hurt, wounded, or sometimes just gone brings it to you personally even if you're never touched.

I don't like sleeping with one eye open, even when I'm exhausted.

I don't like living in shipping containers and bombed out buildings.

I don't like military bands.  Not because of the music they play but because of the 2 hour speech every officer sending you off to war feels obligated to make in order to raise your spirits.  That doesn't work, because the speeches all sound identical.

I don't like not seeing my kids for over a year.  

I honestly don't like the smell of gunpowder.  (Or if you want to get technical, Nitrocellulose.)  I was in the artillery and we used a LOT of it.

I don't like the media conveniently forgetting that we exist while we fight and die for years after they have "Done their Job" of selling the war.

I don't like cleaning the M4 in sandy conditions.  It sucks.  I didn't mind cleaning the M2 BMG however, because it was designed for that kind of abuse.  Minor note, please take note ordinance.

I didn't like driving vehicles that are WAY too big for the city streets down city streets and knocking down every phone line in the area.  (Way to win Hearts and Minds!)

I don't like seeing barbarism.  War tends to bring it out.

I don't like PTSD.  It sucks.  

I don't like it when certain folks like to tell me that it's WORSE for the other side.  That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

And finally, I don't like the fact that we always seem to be ramping up to ANOTHER one.

So in conclusion:

War Sucks.  Please take this into consideration when advocating for it.

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  •  Empty Tip Jar: And why you shouldn't tip them over (22+ / 0-)


    You're dead.  

    That's ANOTHER reason war sucks, by the way.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 07:00:25 AM PDT

  •  You forgot to mention (9+ / 0-)

    Shit burning duty.


    Help me to be the best Wavy Gravy I can muster

    by BOHICA on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 07:28:36 AM PDT

  •  Powerful. Thanks. n/t (8+ / 0-)

    When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

    by PhilJD on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 08:23:44 AM PDT

  •  Thank you. And to add: (4+ / 0-)

    (from a civilian perspective)

    I don't like worrying about friends and family who are serving in war zones, and whether I'm ever going to see them again.

    The Girl Who Loved Stories
    I’m a feminist because the message is still "don’t get raped" not "don’t rape"

    by Avilyn on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:39:52 AM PDT

  •  "The total number of victims is still unknown" (5+ / 0-)

    "In fact, many of them are not born yet."

    The aftermath sucks, too, for years and usually for generations.

    At Fallujah hospital they cannot offer any statistics on children born with birth defects – there are just too many. . . .

    “We recorded 672 cases in January but we know there were many more,” says Hadidi. He projects pictures on to a wall at his office: children born with no brain, no eyes, or with the intestines out of their body.

    The pictures are difficult to look at. And, those responsible for all this have closed their eyes.

    “In 2004 the Americans tested all kinds of chemicals and explosive devices on us: thermobaric weapons, white phosphorous, depleted uranium…we have all been laboratory mice for them,” says Hadidi, turning off the projector.

    ... The Americans said they used white phosphorus “to illuminate targets at night.” But a group of Italian journalists soon gave documentary evidence that white phosphorus had been just another of the banned weapons used against civilians by the U.S. troops.

    Other than the white phosphorus, many point to depleted uranium (DU), a radioactive element which, according to military engineers, significantly increases the penetration capacity of shells. DU is believed to have a life of 4.5 billion years, and it has been labelled the “silent murderer that never stops killing.”

    The total number of victims is still unknown. In fact, many of them are not born yet.

    According to a study released by the Switzerland-based International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health in July 2010, “the increases in cancer, leukaemia and infant mortality and perturbations of the normal human population birth sex ratio in Fallujah are significantly greater than those reported for the survivors of the A-Bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.”

    Sgt Agustin Matos, 442nd Military Police:
    I can't remember exactly what the fevers were.  I was urinating blood while I was out there.

    Secrecy is a hot bed of vanity. - Joseph Brodsky They who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them for their blindness. – John Milton 1642

    by geomoo on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 09:55:35 AM PDT

  •  as someone that refused to go to Vietnam (2+ / 0-)
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    joe shikspack, detroitmechworks

    I can say I have never wanted to participate in killing people anywhere, nor support it, and I only knew one person out of many friends that was gung ho to go.
     The rest that went did it because of plea bargains, a long stretch in TDC (Tx. Dept. of Corrections) or a tour of duty and some should have taken the time.
    Marijuana possession could get you a long sentence then and a few went to the army while my late friend, Waco ,who got drunk driving around with some friends and stole some golf clubs out of an open garage late one night opted out of a 5 year burglary sentence for Vietnam.

    Fwiw none of them ever played golf it was just something to pawn for more booze money and because it seemed like everyone knew someone that did time in TDC there was a healthy fear of going there compared to what a tour of duty was made out to look like to them.

    One final note, the gung ho guy that went to the Marines is someone I wasn't really close friends with in fact the last I saw of him before he went involved a fight in a bar restroom where he broke my friends nose for opposing the war.
    So we didn't part ways as friends after that fight, but a couple of years later with a mutual friend he found me at a small cabin living in the mountains outside of Boulder Colo. and I immediately recognized the mutual friend but not him.
     When the other guy laughed and walked right towards me I recognized Gary who now had long hair, beard and was as changed a person as anyone I'd ever known.
    He also had been in the burn unit in San Antonio due to burns over 70% of his body form powder bag explosions and he told me some chilling accounts of his time there, chilling for sure especially the guy near him hanging from the ceiling because he had been burned so bad he couldn't be laid down, he had no arms or legs and Gary said he begged Gary to kill him, over and over.
    After some time Gary was told he was being sent back to Vietnam and he said he told them he would shoot the first person that gave him a loaded weapon, and after a couple of psychiatrists examined him he was soon out of the Army.

    That was just one of the stories and I told him was glad he had made it back.
    We became close friends from that point on until I lost track of him because I had to relocate again to avoid arrest and I ended up in Canada for over a decade so I lost track of him.
    What I haven't lost track of tho is my opposition to wars, that is alive and well.

    without the ants the rainforest dies

    by aliasalias on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 11:36:45 AM PDT

  •  Hey! War DOES suck! (1+ / 0-)
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    I never thought of it that way!!  ;o)

    Life is good. Injustice? Not so much.

    by westyny on Thu Aug 29, 2013 at 12:04:28 PM PDT

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