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President Obama is scheduled to deliver a statement on health care policy this morning at 11:35 AM ET. In his statement, President Obama will address the issue of policy cancellations by announcing an administrative fix that will allow state insurance commissioners to allow insurance companies to continue offering grandfathered health insurance plans for an additional year. You can watch the president's comments in the live video stream at the top of this post and we'll be posting updates throughout his remarks.

8:16 AM PT:

More from insurance industry source on WH O-care fix: "This is a joke - doesn't change anything but allow WH to blame insurance companies"

@JohnJHarwood
8:17 AM PT:
Obama can't compel insurers to reissue canceled policies, & they don't want to. But Dems hope this shifts voter anger to insurance cos.
@jonathanweisman
8:23 AM PT:
Pelosi says House Dems will propose their own legislative Obamacare fix to vote on Friday. More details after they meet this afternoon.
@Chris_Moody
Also: the briefing has now been postponed to 11:45 AM ET.

8:40 AM PT: House Speaker John Boehner is delivering his weekly press conference now, which usually lasts about 10-12 minutes. He's halfway through, but he rejects the Obama "fix," saying the only way to fix Obamacare is to repeal it. He also says that the House will vote tomorrow on a bill to let insurers sign up new people to policies that they had been planning on canceling, which he describes as a fix.

8:47 AM PT: The RNC Communication Director is on TV is saying that this is just a fig leaf to push things past the 2014 election because it would only last for one year. That's absurd: If it were true, this issue wouldn't have popped up before the 2013 election.

8:49 AM PT: A big question is: If this is simply voluntary for state insurance commissioners and insurance companies, what guarantee is there that there will be relief for consumers who want to keep shitty policies? The main answer, I think, is that Congress could still pass the Landrieu bill, which would compel insurers to continue expiring plans. Even the threat of passing that plan might achieve the desired effect. But remember: Eventually, nobody will want those old plans ... because they suck, and the exchange plans will be better, and easier to get.

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  •  So what's the Republican retort? (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    TomP, Pale Jenova, ems97206, Matt Z

    Obama is a dictator?  Obama is placing a mandate on Holy Insurance Companies?

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:18:49 AM PST

  •  Hey, I was right (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Pale Jenova, devis1, Matt Z

    Defend the Holy Insurance Companies!

    They didn't cancel your policy.  They are innocent and good.

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:20:04 AM PST

    •  Except they did (5+ / 0-)

      And they do it every year, just not en masse like this year and they haven't had the chance to blame it on "Obamacare" like they did this year.

      And God said, "Let there be light"; and with a Big Bang, there was light. And God said "Ow! Ow My eyes!" and in a flash God separated light from darkness. "Whew! Now that's better. Now where was I. Oh yea . . ."

      by Pale Jenova on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:43:38 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yesterday, the insurance commisioner of (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Pale Jenova, JBraden

        California said that under the law, insurers had another year to terminate many existing plans. The insurance companies did not have to send out those letters of cancellation until next year. Link

        The spirit of liberty is the spirit which is not too sure that it is right. -- Judge Learned Hand, May 21, 1944

        by ybruti on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:14:36 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  That's right (2+ / 0-)
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          ybruti, JBraden

          My company is cancelling every single individual plan. Because Obama--yeah, right. They are planning to "map" them into "comparable" policies, but most would do better out on the exchanges where they can get their subsidy.

          And God said, "Let there be light"; and with a Big Bang, there was light. And God said "Ow! Ow My eyes!" and in a flash God separated light from darkness. "Whew! Now that's better. Now where was I. Oh yea . . ."

          by Pale Jenova on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:28:46 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  That's clever. Waiting for shitstorm from Rs. n/t (4+ / 0-)
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    Jerry056, TomP, cassandraX, Matt Z

    Nuclear Reactor = Dirty Bomb

    by olo on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:20:23 AM PST

  •  Smart (4+ / 0-)
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    buffie, TomP, exreaganite, Matt Z

    Takes away the 'blame this on Obamacare, but your insurance is cancelled' argument.  

    Good luck spinning this.  

    Couldn't they keep people in grandfathered plans for a while anyway, but chose not to?

    •  Yes (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      ems97206

      and no.

      It seems like this announcement may not apply to the really junk policies?  None of those were grandfathered in.

      So yes, they could keep people in grandfathered plans, but some insurance companies were cynically canceling those and steering folks into higher premium policies.

      But no, the truly junk plans were not grandfathered.

  •  Voter anger will continue to focus on Dems (15+ / 0-)

    until they can start highlighting the good the law does.  Right now, all we see our bad stories about Obamacare plus a couple of effective demagogues in the media and on the right destroying the program.  Until they can point to something positive, the news cycle will continue to be bad.

  •  And helpless too (1+ / 0-)
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    exreaganite

    The insurance companies just want to help people get health care.  Why is dictator Obama trying to shift the blame onto these good people, the Holy Insurance Companies?

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:21:34 AM PST

  •  Offering? (0+ / 0-)

    I'm confused about the word "offering".  Does that mean they can still sell new substandard policies for one year, or just that existing policies can still go on for one year.

  •  Do we really want this? (4+ / 0-)
    President Obama will address the issue of policy cancellations by announcing an administrative fix that will allow state insurance commissioners to allow insurance companies to continue offering grandfathered health insurance plans for an additional year.
    Is it better to put off the pain for another year so it happen during the midterms? Or it is best to endure the pain now and give voters a year to forget?
  •  Isn't this what the Upton bill does? (0+ / 0-)
    announcing an administrative fix that will allow state insurance commissioners to allow insurance companies to continue offering grandfathered health insurance plans for an additional year.
  •  i see (7+ / 0-)

    If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep your healthcare plan. Period.*

    * for a year

    it's a nightmare.

    •  Unless the insurance company chooses to cancel it (1+ / 0-)
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      venger

      The ONLY alternative would be to force the insurance companies to continue to offer grandfathered plans, regardless of what they want to do, for as long as they have even one person on the plan.

      There was no lie, since all the pre-ACA plans were grandfathered in. The media is just too caught up in their narrative to notice.

      "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

      by Hayate Yagami on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:53:29 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Can we Force ins cos to offer crappy plans (0+ / 0-)

        forever? is that Free market? what if they raise rates, who gets blamed?

        "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

        by merrywidow on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:55:52 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  That's why this "scandal" is bullcrap. (2+ / 0-)
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          highacidity, devis1

          There's nothing out there that would let the government do that, short of an actual takeover of the insurance market. It's stupid, and entirely political, and the media is too stupid and/or caught up in their disaster narrative to notice.

          "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

          by Hayate Yagami on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:59:56 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Yes, that was a silly thing to say (0+ / 0-)

      It was always obvious to me that what this meant was they were not going to "force people to buy government insurance" -- it was an answer to the "government takeover of healthcare" attack.

      It never meant they were going to compel private companies to sell a certain product. Insurance companies have always cancelled policies whenever they feel like it or decide they are not profitable enough. Did people really believe the ACA was going to outlaw that practice? Very naive IMO. (It did outlaw them cancelling you just for getting sick though -- you know, for actually needing to use the product you purchased from them. But never mind that, right?)

      Those words tried to dumb it down to a simple talking point, and now are being used to suggest there was a promise to force private companies to sell you what you want instead of making a business decision on what to sell. Did anyone really think that was the law? That companies can no longer cancel any insurance product ever, for any reason? Come on.

      Yes it was dumb to make such a statement in the first place, knowing that some plans would be eliminated, as they always have been. But I'm really struggling with why so many people are buying into the idea this is huge issue.

  •  Heh (19+ / 0-)
    More from insurance industry source on WH O-care fix: "This is a joke - doesn't change anything but allow WH to blame insurance companies"
    Well, duh. It rightly shifts the focus to the actual insurance companies that have decided to cancel policies, forcing them to explain why they did so or continue to sell them if they'd rather not.

    "Interesting" that Harwood would only present the insurance industry's take on this, and not that of, oh, insurance industry experts. Gotta wonder how many "fact-finding" insurance industry "conferences" he's been to (at 5-star resorts of course because PowerPoint doesn't work otherwise).

    Smart move by Obama. Redirection is a legitimate defensive tactic.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:25:21 AM PST

  •  sure, potus probably shouldn't have said (3+ / 0-)
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    rg611, loblolly, highacidity

    "if you like your plan, you can keep it"

    but make no mistake, the insurance cartel is to blame
    canceling policies has been s.o.p. for decades.

    whatever works for their bottom line.

    every adult is responsible for every child

    by ridemybike on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:25:34 AM PST

    •  Bill Clinton told the truth in 1993 (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      merrywidow

      and he got killed in the midterms the next year.

    •  Isn't it interesting how uninterested the media (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      highacidity, devis1, PorridgeGun

      has been in much larger heatlhcare lies.  "Death panels", "Socialism", "HIPPA violations".  If I were the President I'd just stand up and recount all of the lies that have been told so far by opponents and then ask why no one cares about their lies.  Then I'd say, until I hear a huge outcry in the media that those people need to correct their lies, I'm not taking you folks seriously.  And walk away.

      "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

      by stellaluna on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:53:08 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Cancelling substandard policies still a good idea (1+ / 0-)
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    tardis10

    IMO.  

    And as for companies cancelling any that are NOT substandard, well, if you ask for a free-market-based system, then ya gotta take those lumps.

    See, it's okay to REGULATE a market-based system.  Between Somalia and Stalin there may be a happy medium, yes?  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:28:12 AM PST

    •  the bit about insurers having to educate customers (7+ / 0-)

      about their options in the exchange is key.

      "Here, you can continue to buy our shitty policy or you could go to the state insurance exchange and get A, B, C, or D which cover things this policy does not."

      The insurance companies are going to LOVE that.

      Serves these bastards right. The administration appeased them with the mandate, but they're STILL working against the ACA with often misleading letters of cancellation.

      "This is a center-left country. Democrats can act that way and win. In fact, they must." -- Markos

      by cassandraX on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:35:14 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  That happy medium may be found (2+ / 0-)
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      lgmcp, highacidity

      in Switzerland but ya can't get there from here.

      "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

      by tardis10 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:36:33 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  House Dems own legislative fix? (0+ / 0-)

    So this plan, that will put this in the Midterms, doesn't have House Dem support??

    My Goodness, What offence against junk we have.

  •  So is this fix making the ACA better or is this (0+ / 0-)

    political?

    Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. --Edward Abbey

    by greenbastard on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:31:24 AM PST

  •  What happened to the ACA being settled law, n/t (3+ / 0-)
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    Losty, annecros, TJ

    Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles

    by River Rover on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:31:40 AM PST

  •  I hope this will include letting people know (2+ / 0-)
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    DRo, Dr Erich Bloodaxe RN

    exactly what protections those grandfathered plans don't have.  Like finding something in your health history to claim you had a pre-existing condition that you didn't tell the insurance company about.  I guess we'll just have to wait for the President's statement and see.

  •  anyone who insists on keeping his/her JUNK (8+ / 0-)

    POLICY must be forced to sign a waiver relieving the rest of us of any responsibility to pay for their health-care when the policy proves totally-utterly-useless and the bottom falls out, at the same time, absolving President Obama of any blame for those heinous results. (there's your "fix". mr. president, in a nutshell)

    so effing sick of the whining and tantrums

    "Let them eat cake!" -- Mary Landrieu

    "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

    by Sybil Liberty on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:32:34 AM PST

    •  That's my issue. I'm sick of these idiots (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      mchestnutjr, FindingMyVoice

      who insist on keeping their old junk insurance for no other reason than spite, yet when they get sick and rack up the bills they can't pay, those unpaid costs get passed on to the rest of us by way of higher premiums.

      If these assholes refuse to help support the health care industry NOW while they're generally young and healthy enough to not need it,  make them sign waivers that they cannot use health care insurance (that the rest of us have been paying into and supporting all our lives) when they're older and not quite so healthy.  If they get sick, they have to pay all their own health care expenses out of their own damned pockets until they're old enough to qualify for Medicare.

      •  Not only by way of higher premiums but by way (2+ / 0-)
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        edwardssl, FindingMyVoice

        of higher taxes too.  Do you think the ER that treats the uninsured patient from an automobile accident does it out of the goodness of their heart?  No, they do it because the federal government subsidizes those costs so that the hospital doesn't have to absorb them.  

        "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

        by stellaluna on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:32:40 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  ^^This^^ x 100. We really need to let the rest (0+ / 0-)

      of the country, those that actually take a responsible approach to their own health care, understand what these people are whining about.  We need to let people know that their refusal to procure good insurance is predicated on their assumption that they will still get health care if they really need it, but that the rest of us will end up paying for it somehow.

      I'm not usually one to advocate for people not having access to health care but if these people who demand these crappy policies are willing to ruin it for the rest of us then I'm OK with them being sent home from the emergency room with a copy of the release they signed saying they agree they will get no more health care than what they contracted for.

      "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

      by stellaluna on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:58:56 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  How very Republican of you. (0+ / 0-)

        You consider yourself to be a more responsible person because you are able to buy something that others can't afford.

        Also, love that "Let 'em die" attitude you have towards people who cannot afford good insurance.

        •  I'm not hearing that people are demanding (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Glen The Plumber, Sybil Liberty

          insurance they can afford.  I am hearing that they are demanding insurance that doesn't provide minimal coverage and ends up being no insurance at all.  So what is supposed to happen to those people who have crappy insurance that doesn't cover their health care?  Are they supposed to count on the rest of us to pay for it if they need it?  It sounds like you are in favor of continuing the system that is crippling our economic growth and not working for people.  Do you think it's free when someone gets health care that is not covered by insurance?  How do we deal with that?  And don't say "single Payer" because then there will be tons of people who can't keep their policies.  Or end up paying double.   What I haven't seen and think would be helpful is to see how much an ACA compliant plan would cost after subsidies compared to the out-of-pocket expenses for one of these crappy plans.  And I'd like to know how many people will be affected to the point that they can't afford insurance.  And how much their rates will go up with a compliant plan, after subsidies.  Because it seems like we could figure out a fix for that which doesn't end shifting the burden of health care to others.

          "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

          by stellaluna on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:22:10 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  anyone who seriously can NOT afford hc insurance (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          stellaluna, Glen The Plumber

          more than likely qualifies for gov't subsidized medicaid.

          Except in those red states where the governors decided to obstruct, killing ACA, perhaps along with a whole lot of their constituents.

          By design.

          "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

          by Sybil Liberty on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 11:15:25 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  this whole fucked up mess (18+ / 0-)

    is why those of us who knew something about the power of the insurance industry got so hepped up and demanded

    NO MANDATE WITHOUT A PUBLIC OPTION.
    NO MANDATE WITHOUT A PUBLIC OPTION.
    NO MANDATE WITHOUT A PUBLIC OPTION.
    NO MANDATE WITHOUT A PUBLIC OPTION.

    Y'all remember that, that was a battle cry - at least until the corporatists re-assumed (re-asserted?) power in the Dem party.

    Its just a cryin' shame, this coulda been so much better.

    •  I have been solemnly reassured (4+ / 0-)

      That such talk is merely the whiny echo of the magical thinkers, and anyone who remembers it is just looking for a smackdown from our more realistic friends. There was no way (no way, I tells ya!) anything like a public option was going to be enacted, so it was best to take it off the table before any negotiations began.

      And you see how reasonable and cooperative the insurance companies have been ever since their greatest fear - that they'd be cut out of certain segments of the market the don't want to participate in anyway - was shelved? That's what passes for "thanks" from the insurance industry.

      But it's touching to see all the elected officials elbow one another out of the way for some camera time to weep crocodile tears for the beleaguered insurance companies and their iron-clad business plan of collecting premiums and denying claims.

    •  Agreed -- (3+ / 0-)
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      Losty, venger, justmy2

      -- but what's done is done.  

      http://thehill.com/...

      President Barack Obama said Monday that Congress should approve a final healthcare bill even if it doesn’t include a public option.

      Obama said the House and Senate bills are 95 percent “identical” and downplayed the fact that final legislation is unlikely to include a public health insurance option during an Oval Office interview with American Urban Radio Networks’ April Ryan.

      “There's 5 percent differences, and one of those differences is the public option,” Obama said.

      But this is an area that has just become symbolic of a lot of ideological fights. As a practical matter, this is not the most important aspect to this bill — the House bill or the Senate bill.”

      The ACA is what you get when you you allow one side to pursue their ideological objectives and accept the results by claiming to take the high road in order to claim a legislative victory.  This 'fix' being proposed by the White House won't be the last band aid applied to the law.

      A politician claiming that a Public Option is an ideological pursuit is like Betty Crocker saying that you can make a cake without milk.  I'm sure you can, but who the fuck wants to eat it when it comes out of the oven?

      all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

      by 4kedtongue on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:57:08 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yup. It's like turning our Border Patrol (0+ / 0-)

      over to Mexican Drug Cartels.

      I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

      by jhecht on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:27:02 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  "Obama can't compel insurers to reissue canceled (9+ / 0-)

    policies." Yes, that's right. In fact, the only way he can guarantee that every policy currently in effect will remain in effect in perpetuity and never be changed or canceled ever for any reason whatsoever -- and thus keep his "promise" -- is for there to be an actual government takeover of health care.

    I wrote a diary on this today: Republicans Now Apparently Support an Actual Government Takeover of Health Care

    This is a joke, it really is. All these Keep Your Health Plan For Ever And Ever Because Obama Is A Lying Liar Act of 2013 bills are bogus, because they will accomplish no such thing. I'm really starting to hate this conversation, because everyone is, as my father might have said, full of banana mulch.

  •  Boehner: I think we're gonna stay focussed on (7+ / 0-)

    killing the economy.

  •  John Boehnor: Don't you have a tanning room to go (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    venger

    to??

    What an ass!!

  •  The ACA still leaves insurance (4+ / 0-)

    companies in control.  Insurance companies who want to make money.

    •  But we don't have to allow them to lie, (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Berkeley Fred

      cheat, and steal. We can and should require that their products, if sold, must  meet minimum standards.   They can go ahead and make their for-profit decisions.  But not while disseminating false information.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:46:18 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  This is really the point... (0+ / 0-)

      ...insurance companies are still in control. Heathcare really needs to be taken out of the "for profit" realm. And can someone please explain to me why those with insurance don't want others without insurance to get insurance. What's up with that???

      And you'd think insurance companies would want millions of new customers??

      Only the weak & defeated are called to account for their crimes.

      by rreabold on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:50:36 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  that's the big problem (0+ / 0-)

      always was, still is

      Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. --Edward Abbey

      by greenbastard on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:51:32 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  We can defend the principles of of the progressive (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    tiggers thotful spot, ebgill

    movement or we can defend this president - we can't defend them both.  

    Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles

    by River Rover on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:40:31 AM PST

    •  Since is the a Democratic website that supports (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      stellaluna, River Rover

      this Democratic President, made clear by Markos over and over, then wtf are you doing here?

      You are apparently compromising your own principals by participating here. You really ought to examine your motives.

      •  the drone war, Holder and Wall Street, Syria, the (0+ / 0-)

        NSA and Keith Alexander, I could go on, this man is not a progressive.  

        Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles

        by River Rover on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:08:21 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I can't wait to vote for your candidate. I'd hate (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          edwardssl

          fail progressivism by not voting.  Maybe I should say "legitimate" candidate who will be able to garner enough votes to defeat a right wing nut job.  Because the progressive in me can't sit around and let that happen either.  I'm all ears....

          "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

          by stellaluna on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:13:10 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  the lessor of two evils is still ... well you know (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            venger

            I don't have any easy answers (that's how you know I'm not a republican) but I'm done with brand name politicians.  They get to be brand names by selling out.    

            Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles

            by River Rover on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:24:03 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  And I'm not talking about name brands. I'm (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              edwardssl

              talking ideology.  As a progressive I can't stand by and let right wingers hurt the most vulnerable in society.  And as a progressive I can't refuse to be a legitimate part of the governing process.  So I've got to make choices.  Hopefully progressives will work hard to present a slate of progressive candidates for me to vote on.  But if they don't I'm not going to quit.

              "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

              by stellaluna on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:44:32 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

        •  Sounds like Rand Paul is your man, then. (0+ / 0-)

          Maybe you should go visit dailypaul.com.

          •  Sorry but I'm not gonna fit in your box. (0+ / 0-)

            Believing that this president has failed us does not make me a tea bagger, or a libertarian.  If we are going require loyalty to this administration as litmus test for being a "bona fide" progressive I guess I won't be one.

             I believe that ,like true love, there is a candidate out there.  We  can't quit looking, and we can't just settle for what we got.

            You gotta have hope.    

            Rivers are horses and kayaks are their saddles

            by River Rover on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:48:50 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  There are no perfect candidates, especially (0+ / 0-)

              not politicians (and yes, they're all politicians, even Bernie Sanders).  You're going to be sorely disappointed your entire life.  But hey, sometimes some people prefer being in a perpetual state of disappointment, cuz purety standards are a bitch to live up to.

              If we are going require loyalty to this administration as litmus test for being a "bona fide" progressive I guess I won't be one.
              Huh?

              I've given you no litmus test for being a "bona-fide" progressive.  You're getting things twisted up in your head. I'm simply saying this is a Democratic website that supports Democrats (albeit as left-leaning as we can get them). So if you don't support Democrats, then why are you here?

        •  And this is a Democratic website (0+ / 0-)

          I'll let Markos tell you himself.

          this is a Democratic site. That's my party, and that's what I'll work with.
          Nov 8, 2013

          I think you should find yourself a nice purely progressive website that shares your goals and philosophy/ideology, and save yourself some angst.  It appears to be eating you up.

    •  What in the heck does that even mean? (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      River Rover

      Are you saying we can't support the only comprehensive attempt to make health care available for most citizens that has ever been codified into law if we are progressives?  And what does that have to do with the President.  Can we not criticize the plan if we support the President on universal pre-K?  

      "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

      by stellaluna on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:02:23 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Boehner is pissing me off yet again, now. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    skillet, Hayate Yagami, mchestnutjr

    It's obvious this White House can't be trusted, because of the demonstrably untrue statement about keeping your insurance?  Really, John?  There is nothing about that claim that has changed since it was made, years ago.  It was always subject to insurance companies unilaterally deciding to take away policies.  And YOU and every other Republican were every bit as aware of that at the time those statements were made.  

    You didn't simply claim they were logically untrue and outside the power of the President to make true on their face at that point in time, but simply stored them away to use to score political points later.

    Transparent partisan politics, nothing to do with helping Americans.

  •  while probably better than that goofy legislative (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    tardis10, greenbastard, merrywidow, venger

    proposal, we need real answers to real problems and the only answer here is expanded Medicare for All. Everything else is cowardice, and it's already been proved that Obama and the Democrats get no points from their opposition to the right for implementing right-wing proposed health care and health care revisions. So, it's time they listen to their base, and simple economics.

    "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."--Emma Goldman

    by ebgill on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:40:54 AM PST

  •  Obamacare is now officially a Grade A (12+ / 0-)

    Clusterfuck.

    This is going to raise rates on the policies that do actually meet minimum standards.

    We'll never have single payer now, nobody trusts the government to get involved with running a lemonade stand at this point.

    •  as we single payer folks worried back in 2008 (9+ / 0-)

      this is going to set health care reform back decades.

      "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."--Emma Goldman

      by ebgill on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:42:52 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  But, but... (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Paleo, tiggers thotful spot, Losty

        IT'S THE FIRST STEP!!!

      •  They had a choice between a simple sure thing (3+ / 0-)

        or a Rube Goldberg machine.  They chose Rube.

        "When dealing with terrorism, civil and human rights are not applicable." Egyptian military spokesman.

        by Paleo on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:50:54 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  There was NO CHOICE. The economy was in ruins (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          wadingo, Little Lulu

          when he took office, no way an entire industry of jobs was going to be axed with single payer NO WAY

          stop with the revisionist history

          "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

          by merrywidow on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:59:44 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Which is why he should have waited (0+ / 0-)

            And focused on recovery and jobs.  2009 wasn't the time to do this.

            "When dealing with terrorism, civil and human rights are not applicable." Egyptian military spokesman.

            by Paleo on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:21:59 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

        •  A simple, sure thing? You don't mean single (0+ / 0-)

          payer do you?  How would having single payer make the website run better?  How would people be able to "keep the policy they have now" work under single payer.  Assuming the single payer fairies would have passed single payer in 2009 and Congress would have raised the taxes necessary to pay for it, how would it technically have avoided the problems the President is dealing with right now?

          "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

          by stellaluna on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:36:15 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  They could have, should have, taken (0+ / 0-)

            a more incremental approach.  Lowering Medicare coverage to 60 while expanding Medicaid.

            Taxes were raised under the ACA as well.

            "When dealing with terrorism, civil and human rights are not applicable." Egyptian military spokesman.

            by Paleo on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 10:15:13 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  I guess you are right. I'm still not sure (0+ / 0-)

              anything would have been any easier given the GOP obstruction to this President.  Their objection isn't to this Heritage Foundation boon to insurance companies.  Their objection is to anything this President tries to accomplish.  So I'm not sure that even incremental changes would have been any easier.  At the same time it's interesting to see someone thinking less rather than more (single payer) should have been accomplished.  

              "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

              by stellaluna on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 10:23:54 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

          •  A public option would have fixed almost all of (0+ / 0-)

            this.

            1.  It would have forced higher volume expectations from day one, and they wouldn't have been surprised as states opted out.

            2.  There would always be a lower rate plan available.

            3.  Medicaid expansion wouldn't have been as large an issue.

            4.  The mandate argument wouldn't be as strong.

            SCOTUS may have found an out, but the real issue was a political one.  From a policy standpoint, the public option was and is still a critical component to a nationwide mandate of health care.  The only way out is single payer.

            "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

            by justmy2 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 11:20:10 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

      •  Us single payer people had 70 years to pass it (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        wadingo, stellaluna

        We failed.

        And from someone who has been on the Canadian single payer system, implementing single payer would have been far more disruptive.

        President Obama has the amazing ability to humiliate his biggest critics, on the right and the left.

        by NoFortunateSon on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:51:16 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  A less ambitious law is better than a broad (0+ / 0-)

          flawed law.  No law is better than a bad law.

          "When dealing with terrorism, civil and human rights are not applicable." Egyptian military spokesman.

          by Paleo on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:54:30 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Since the PPACA isn't a bad law... (0+ / 0-)

            We know the system works in MA, the Netherlands, and other countries. Only politics can fail the PPACA.

            President Obama has the amazing ability to humiliate his biggest critics, on the right and the left.

            by NoFortunateSon on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:04:32 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  Uh huh (0+ / 0-)

            My friend is alive right now because of the ACA's prohibition against preexisting conditions. Tell me more about what a bad law it is.

            I support science -- that includes nuclear energy and GMOs. matthewborgard.com ~ @MatthewBorgard

            by zegota on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:48:24 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

      •  Single payer could not happene in USA in 2010. (0+ / 0-)

        Single payer will not happen in uSA until there are sufficient single payer advocates in House and Senate.  All the claims about single paeyr are meaningless without the votes.  there were and are enough legislators to pass single payer.

        •  and this is enforced (0+ / 0-)

          by the comment you made. Keep quite about single payer 'cause it's never going to happen, and so long as we're quiet it's never going to happen. The insurance industry thanks you.

          "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."--Emma Goldman

          by ebgill on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 10:28:03 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  people still love Medicare (0+ / 0-)

      as long as Obama doesn't manage to cut it during his last two years in office (when the Republicans will probably control Congress), future efforts for single-payer can still leverage the Medicare brand, even if Obama trashes the Democratic brand.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:49:13 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  From someone on the Canadian single payer system (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      wadingo, stellaluna

      While I am a single payer advocate, it also would have been far more disruptive.

      President Obama has the amazing ability to humiliate his biggest critics, on the right and the left.

      by NoFortunateSon on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:52:57 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  And they will go up right before mid-terms (0+ / 0-)

      We tried to say a bad bill could be worse than no bill from a political standpoint.  We are not there yet, but it is getting close.

      "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

      by justmy2 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 11:15:58 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Landrieu is a (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Dem Beans

    Dineaux

  •  Short Boehner (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    KJB Oregon, Hayate Yagami

    We can't beat the Japanese and Germans. We can't go to the moon. We can't fix Obamacare. We can't. We can't. We can't. Quitter he is.

    "Limited minds can only recognize limitations in others." Jack London

    by spunhard on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:44:51 AM PST

  •  I thought the plan was (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Losty

    to have a Senate bill that would never get passed, and use it against the Republicans.  Obama's blown that plan to hell and gone.

  •  Absolutely bullshit "scandal" (9+ / 0-)

    Plans were grandfathered in, and the insurance companies are canceling them now, blaming the ACA, and trying to scam their "customers" into buying more expensive plans from them instead of going onto the exchanges.

    Every single part of this "Obama lied" narrative is absolute bullshit, and the media is too effing stupid to even notice!

    Worse, even elected Democrats are too busy running in terror away from the plain and simple truth, and are all jumping in on the Republican narrative. How about just going out there, and just saying, in plain, simple English:

    "The plans were grandfathered in, so what the president said, back before the law was passed, WAS THE TRUTH. Insurance companies are choosing to end policies that THEY COULD CONTINUE. There's nothing at all do this."

    And get all the Democrats on message. Even in the middle of their civil war, THE EFFING REPUBLICANS ARE STILL ALL USING THE SAME TALKING POINTS!

    ....At least Obamacare will cover the blood pressure meds I'm going to need if my stress levels get any worse because of all of this.

    "He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."

    by Hayate Yagami on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:46:59 AM PST

    •  Another way to say this (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Losty, highacidity, Hayate Yagami

      is to "announce" in a feverishly watched press conference, that insurance companies are allowed to grandfather the policies.

      Then instead of it being an explanation or excuse or "clarification" of what he meant before, it's just a statement of what is:

      You can keep your insurance.  ACA says it's okay for your insurance co to grandfather your policy!

      So if you get a notice now, know that it's not the ACA.

      Same thing as trying to explain the past, without the whining.

  •  Duh (0+ / 0-)

    "This is a joke - doesn't change anything but allow WH to blame insurance companies"

  •  How did the Ins Industry and Baucus miss this (0+ / 0-)

    when they were writing up the ACA?

    Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell. --Edward Abbey

    by greenbastard on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:48:20 AM PST

    •  Hint: (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Losty, jec, PorridgeGun

      They didn't.  The Insurance Industry was in his office writing the damned law.

      all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

      by 4kedtongue on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:00:46 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Two words: (0+ / 0-)

      Liz Fowler

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      Fowler's career in Washington stretches back more than a decade, when she first left a private sector hospital group in Minnesota in 2000 to join the Health Care Financing Administration, a federal agency now known as the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS).

      By the following year, Fowler had landed at the powerful Senate Finance Committee, working on health care issues for Montana Democrat Max Baucus. Lobbying records show that Fowler stayed until 2006, when she departed for a two-year stint at health insurance company WellPoint, only to return to the Senate in 2008, again working on health policy for Baucus.

      When it comes to health care, and health lobbyists, Baucus isn't just any senator. Since 1998, he has collected more than $5.1 million in campaign contributions from the insurance, pharmaceutical and nursing industries, making him one of the health care sector's most heavily backed lawmakers.

      Arguably more important than money, however, are the long-running staff ties that Baucus maintains with the health care industry, starting with Fowler. According to congressional staff records, 34 former Baucus staffers are currently registered to lobby Congress, and almost a third of them work on health care issues, including former Baucus chiefs of staff Jay Driscoll, Jeff Forbes and David Castagnetti, former legislative director Nick Giordano, one-time law clerk Kristen Henderson, policy adviser Scott Olsen, former trade counsel Scott Parven and former staffers Jennifer LaTourette, Marnie Russ and Maureen Testoni.

      all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

      by 4kedtongue on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:20:36 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  My prediction (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    imicon, Radiowalla, stellaluna

    Something will be done to allow angry people who want to keep their junk insurance to keep it for another year.

    At some point in the course of that year, they'll discover they could have bought better, cheaper, insurance through the marketplace.

    They will then become angry bitter people who will blame Obama for making them pay more for their lousy insurance, which they never would have done if somebody had just told them there were these marketplaces where you could get the best deals.

  •  Wolf is having a come apart (0+ / 0-)

    and Candy and Gloria are salivating.

  •  We just don't have the maturity (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    hulibow, stellaluna

    in our electorate, in the Republican Party, and the news media to do something like ACA.

  •  So the ACA prevents many but by no means all (0+ / 0-)

    of the worst abuses by insurance companies.  And because it fails to prevent ALL abuses, we should definitely not have the ACA.  Riiigggghtt ....

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:54:02 AM PST

  •  I still haven't seen any statistics (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    merrywidow, Maverick80229, stellaluna

    on what percentage of policies get canceled each year by insurance companies that have nothing to do with ACA.

    Is this really an uptick, or are we hearing about it because people want to spin it to make ACA look bad?

    I work in the medical/insurance industry and I see people having their insurance policies canceled all the time because they get sick or get older.  Technically if your premium goes up from the last year, your old insurance policy was 'canceled' and now you have a new, more expensive policy, even if the coverage remains the same.

    It's all just smoke and mirrors from the insurance industry as far as I can tell.

    Most insurance policies are canceled every year and replaced with new, more expensive policies.  My insurance policy has been canceled every single year for the last 5 years and replaced with a more expensive plan.

    •  It's an uptick (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      highacidity, stellaluna

      caused by insurance company greed and cynicism, not by ACA.

      It's really happening, AND it's being spinned to make the ACA look bad.

      Everything you say is the truth.  This whole thing is needless hysteria.

      In addition, Ins cos started flipping people into new more expensive policies ahead of October 1 even when the policies could be grandfathered.

      Adding to the hysteria.  People are suing.

  •  Do ppl really LIKE their old plans or do they just (0+ / 0-)

    not understand that with a bit of paperwork they get a better plan?

    "The poor can never be made to suffer enough." Jimmy Breslin

    by merrywidow on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:57:32 AM PST

    •  Never underestimate (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      highacidity

      the power of inertia.

      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

      by raptavio on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:00:27 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      stellaluna

      the better plan may actually cost more out of pocket, depending on the plan.

      I'd actually like to see some data, though, on the number of people that actually want to keep their crappy plan or pay some more for a real plan.

      Cake or DEATH? Oh, I'll have cake, please.

      by wmtriallawyer on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:01:51 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  When you read the fine print (0+ / 0-)

      When you read the fine print, the new plans ain't always so great. New plans may involve being switched from a PPO to managed care, having to pay "balance bills" for costs that the health insurance company deems higher than necessary (even after your out of pocket is met), and paying more for services you'll probably never need.

      It's not just about a website, it's about what we get after we visit that website.

  •  Hi, I'm John Boehner and I walk into obvious traps (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Hayate Yagami, ems97206, Matt Z
    He's halfway through, but he rejects the Obama "fix," saying the only way to fix Obamacare is to repeal it.
    Can't anybody here play this game?!?

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:58:36 AM PST

  •  Simple fix: Public Option (4+ / 0-)

    Public Option Public Option Public Option Public Option Public Option Public Option Public Option

    We shouldn't let it go.

  •  This 'scandal or flaw in the ACA is simply fiction (0+ / 0-)

    The solution for most of the affected market will be to go into the exchange.  For those who don't have good options in the exchange I would simply allow them to deduct the net premium increase from their adjusted gross income.  The tax code already allows individuals to deduct health expenditures that exceed 10% of AGI if paid with after tax income.  Just adjust that threshold. If the Congress won't make that adjustment, see what the IRS can do by administrative decree. Perhaps the IRS can allow a temporary deferral of income from taxes representing the cost of health insurance premiums for a period of 4 years.  This isn't about health insurance. This is about cost to the individual. Some folks want to pay a low premium and take the risk that they won't get sick.  Others won't want to make that choice now that the exchange provides them choices of Bronze and Silver ACA compliant plans.  We just need to present the illusion of a 'fix' to this phony problem so that people can go through the evaluation process in the exchange and figure it out for themselves.

    Global Shakedown - Alternative rock with something to say. Check out their latest release, "A Time to Recognize": Available on iTunes, Amazon, Google Play, Spotify and other major online music sites. Visit http://www.globalshakedown.com.

    by khyber900 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:02:05 AM PST

  •  Oh, Goodie. Boehner is still saying Repeal! (0+ / 0-)

    To which people will say "Oh, shut up."

    Benefits of this law are already in place; people are SLOWLY signing up via paper (which you would think is Armegeddon), more people are moving on the MEdicare (thank god!) and once the website is repaired, sign ups will faster and easier.  Saying repeal to a low wage worker who just qualified to get her suspicious lump looked after and get help with her medication will be like saying "Crawl in a ditch and die."

    So keep rooting for Boehner to keep saying repeal. People who are getting the benefits already will know the truth, and hopefully follow that up with action at the Voter booth.

  •  Who among the cheapskates with these (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    highacidity, stellaluna

    junk plans was ever going to like the ACA anyway?  Why is this suddenly the scandal of the century?

  •  blah, blah, blah - somebody needs to stuff a sock (0+ / 0-)

    in Boehner's mouth.    In the days of high tech and multi-tasking, the GOP's one note band has got to be irritating to more than just me.

    What we need is a Democrat in the White House. Warren 2016

    by dkmich on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:09:11 AM PST

  •  I am sick and tired... (0+ / 0-)

    ...of politicians on both sides (thanks, Bill Clinton) continuing to use Obama as a punching bag for trying to improve what Boehner calls "the best healthcare delivery system in the world."  Why isn't anyone talking about House Republicans shutting down the government, costing taxpayers millions of dollars?  Or refusing to pass job legislation?  Or cutting food stamps and other crucial programs?  Where are the priorities???
    Sorry, but I'm so ANGRY.  This president gets credit for nothing.  He gets blamed for everything, in spite of the fact that the Republicans in Congress have tried to bring down this country AND the global economy.   Twice.  It's disgusting.  I've had it.

    Listen, people, we sit out 2014 at our peril.

  •  Anyone for single payer? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Losty, rovertheoctopus

    Holy shit!!!

    This looks bad.

    Sarcasm on...It is so nice I live in a post racial America...Sarcasm off.

    by wbishop3 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:22:10 AM PST

  •  When did we decide... (0+ / 0-)

    When did we decide that the new benefits post ACA passage--no lifetime limits, free wellness, nationwide PPO networks, no need for referrals, health savings accounts-- were "shitty plans?"

    I'm a twice-Obama voter who would like to keep my current United Health plan for $98/month. My checkup is free, doc visits are $35, my network is excellent in Illinois and extends nationwide so I can use it when visiting family and friends or even taking a day trip in Wisconsin.

    The cheapest plans for me on the exchange range between $150-200/mo. They use Blue Cross' tiniest networks and/or force me into an HMO. They still have high out of pocket limits and if I go outside the network, which would be easier to do, I'm on the hook for up to $12,000 (or $25,400 if it's a family plan).

    Maybe if I was independently wealthy and needed/wanted to take lots of Rx, I'd love that plan. But I'm not and I don't and I'd like to have a choice.

  •  Let's take a moment to appreciate (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Losty

    that the same lack of spine that we're seeing on display now with respect to trying to "grandfather" canceled insurance policies (the insurers' doing) is the same lack of spine that presided over the scuttling of a public option.

    "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~Edward Abbey ////\\\\ "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." ~W.E.B. DuBois

    by rovertheoctopus on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:41:48 AM PST

  •  WHERE IS THE GOP PLAN? (0+ / 0-)

    for the next six months

    The message should be-"yeah Obamacare has problems and they will be fixed, BUT..WHERE IS YOUR PLAN?"

    How do u propose to insure folks with pre-existing conditions? (they cant, mandate, a heritage foundation idea)

    How do u cover folks who cannot afford or are too poor to cover healthcare? (medicaid, they hate it)

    Will u allow insures to reject sick patients? What about lifetime caps?  community rating?

    When the media complains about the website or whatever, every dems should reply--Yeah whatever, BUT WHERE IS THE GOP plan?

  •  I hope so (0+ / 0-)

    but we've heard that for 5 years:

    But remember: Eventually, nobody will want those old plans ... because they suck, and the exchange plans will be better, and easier to get.
  •  Why does Obama insist on leaving the gs off his (0+ / 0-)

    ings?  And enough with the "folks" talk too.

    If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

    by livjack on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:50:46 AM PST

  •  What's hysterical is (0+ / 0-)

    the notion of the insurance industry being upset because they'll be perceived as "the bad guys" under this proposal.

    Who knew they were so sensitive.  So when they've cancelled or rescinded policies in the past or denied those with pre-existing conditions coverage, apparently people loved them and, I guess, thanked them for their decision.

  •  I Thought The President Explained Everything (0+ / 0-)

    really well.  In other words if you like your crappy insurance keep it.  But the genius of his plan is letting the states decide who gets to keep their crappy insurance.  I like it a lot.

    "Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

    by rssrai on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 10:29:47 AM PST

  •  This is just plain wrong (0+ / 0-)
    Eventually, nobody will want those old plans ... because they suck, and the exchange plans will be better, and easier to get.
    I suspect many people will want a cheaper plan, under the assumption they won't get sick.  Furthermore, because of ACA, when they get sick they can go into a new plan with no consequence because of the pre-existing condition clause.

    This is the equivalent of the sequester.  Short term relief for major harm.

    "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

    by justmy2 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 11:11:01 AM PST

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