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When she was 18, in 2007, Samantha Larson became the youngest non-Nepalese woman to reach the top of Mt. Everest. (A 15-year-old Sherpa girl was the youngest person ever to climb the highest mountain.) That ascent also made Larson the youngest person to have climbed the seven highest peaks on the seven continents. At Grist, she writes of millennials—No, we’re not “environmentalists.” It’s more complicated than that:

We’ve been called out: Millennials are not environmentalists. A new Pew Research Center report says that only 32 percent of people born after 1980 identify themselves as such—versus 42 percent of people born between 1965 and 1980, or even 44 percent of those born after 1945. But, as someone born in 1988, I find it hard to believe any of those numbers actually matter.

Samantha Larson, youngest non-Nepalese woman to ever climb to the summit of Mt. Everest.
Samantha Larson
The old guard loves to harp on us for being an apathetic, unmotivated, and lazy bunch (old guards tend to make a habit of this, regardless of the era). OK, as a generation, we might not be storming the streets, or the seas, à la Greenpeace—but judging by the host of things still going badly for planet Earth, while that kind of activism may be admirable, it seems clear it’s not the silver bullet. Growing up with a universe of information constantly at our fingertips means we know every issue is complicated and loaded with unintended consequence. We know solutions that rely on preachiness or dogmatism won’t last.  […]

And look at what’s actually happening. Millennials are far less likely to own a car, or to even make that a priority. Instead, we tend to opt forpublic transit, biking, or car sharing. While millennials don’t identify as vegetarians, either, we actually trend towards eating less meat—and we value the eating experience, which means that, though we tend to make less for our work (or sometimes nothing at all), a lot of us are still willing to spend a little more to go organic and local. Heck, even the fact that so many of us still live at home, or choose to live in shared houses or dorms rather than getting a place of our own, translates to a more efficient use of household water, electricity, and gas.

Which isn’t to say that millennials are making these choices exactly for the purpose of being green. We do it because it makes sense: Green living is more affordable, more enjoyable, and thus perhaps makes us more able to deal with the messes we’ve been left with. But, as long as things are starting to change, does it really matter what the motivation is? […]

Not that I’m not trying to give my generation a gold star for having it all figured out. We can, and hopefully will, do a lot more. But the fact we don’t identify as environmentalists doesn’t mean that we pour motor oil into the ocean for kicks. Just like, according to the same Pew report, while only 27 percent of us actively identify as Democrats, 60 percent of us voted for Obama in 2012. In fact, only half of millennials choose to identify with a political party at all—but that doesn’t mean we vote any less.


Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2012Mitt Romney: Regulators should see businesses as 'friends,' like in China:

Mitt Romney doesn't just think corporations are people. He wants corporate people to have friends, and if he was president, there's one group he'd order to be friends with corporate people:
“I want regulators to see businesses and enterprises of all kinds as their friends, and to encourage them and to move them along.”
Aww ... be friends and encourage them. Isn't that sweet? Except that if a mining regulator "encourages" his friend the mining corporation to improve safety standards rather than ordering it, and issues a friendly heads up that an inspection is coming, people will die. Just for instance. Regulators aren't supposed to be like some Big Brother/Big Sister self-esteem program for corporations, they're supposed to be watchdogs keeping the air we breathe clean and protecting workers from injury and preventing or discrimination.

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  •  Net Neutrality (10+ / 0-)

    My services went out this afternoon for some hours.
    My conclusion is that without neutrality, crimes of passion will go through the roof.

    After 65 years, the ONLY thing I know absolutely and positively about life is that the check is SUPPOSED to be in the mail. That's it. Nothing else. PERIOD.

    by franklyn on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 08:02:28 PM PDT

  •  Millenials (2+ / 0-)
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    justiceputnam, ichibon

    After the oil is gone they'll have lots of time to think about the environment while they search for roots a berries.

  •  Want to be sure I have the logic correct on this.. (4+ / 0-)
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    Listen to The After Show & The Justice Department on Netroots Radio. Join us on The Porch Tue & Fri at Black Kos, all are welcome!

    by justiceputnam on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 08:11:08 PM PDT

  •  350.org (15+ / 0-)
    May Boeve grew up in the ’90s, in a world where environmentalism was presented less as a social movement than as a personal lifestyle choice: buy a car that doesn’t use much gas, insulate your house, use energy-efficient lightbulbs, compost.

    So when she was an undergraduate at Middlebury College, she and a group of friends set out to practice environmentalism differently, taking their cues from the social justice movements they were learning about in history class (civil rights) and seeing play out in the world around them (marriage equality).

    (snip)

    Today, Boeve is the executive director of 350.org, an environmental organization that she and that same group of friends cofounded specifically to work on climate change. The group is cut from a different cloth than its more mature green-activist siblings; a recent survey of movement groups described it as “the slightly strange kid” of the green class.

    Grist.

    350.org

    Be sure you put your feet in the right place; then stand firm. ~ Abraham Lincoln

    by noweasels on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 08:12:34 PM PDT

  •  Hate me, but I wish (13+ / 0-)

    Samantha Larson weren't the voice of a generation.  I don't want to guess what privilege allows one to climb Everest and six other peaks at 18 as a non-Nepalese.  

    I know lots of folks from every generation -- and I don't give them a fucking ID like boomer, GenX, Millennial, etc.  They are people.  Some can't bother to look up from their fucking smart phones.  Others, look you in the eye and ask real questions about life, art, death, politics.

    I was in NYC yesterday at the tiny Lynn Redgrave Theater.  I saw G.B. Shaw's "Saint Joan."  Everyone should see that play because it says everything about every generation.

    Also, I never want to hear about anyone bitching about New Yorkers.  I had more help in the City in a few hours than most folks get in a decade.

    Over and out.

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 08:27:03 PM PDT

  •  I Find it Hard to Criticize Generations for Not (5+ / 0-)

    being activist; to a large extent much depends on the confluence of issues and opportunities.

    We have the boomer generation still with us, but at this point even with a history of youth activism, neither they nor anyone else has many ideas about what can be done meaningfully about issues we're facing today. Yesterday's issues were dropped in our laps in circumstances with tangible assets to leverage toward plausible solutions.

    Climate change? We need to take over the entire world, its political, cultural and economic systems, and if we do that this year, there's a fair chance we can get started next year on what science says must be well underway this decade.

    How do I blame a generation or a nation for falling short of that?

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 08:29:23 PM PDT

  •  I'm glad they aren't marching in the streets. (4+ / 0-)
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    Because who wants to watch a bunch of people walking around looking at their smartphones?

    I can't wait to get old and watch them take over the country. The boomers will all be dead and a cool ass generation will be running things. Best of all, my gen-x bunch being the smallest among them wont be a massive burden on the nation as the boomers are.

    As an added bonus we will never again have to hear about or from The Beatles and how great they were.

    •  Fab who™? n/t (6+ / 0-)

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

      by JeffW on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 08:33:54 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  ... or ever again about how great ... (4+ / 0-)

      Jimi Hendricks, Janis Joplin, Marvin Gaye, Bob Dylan, Bob Marley, Keith Jarrett and on and on... are. I'll bet, when you're old, you'll wish you would have saved at least one Lou Reed CD to remember us by.

      'A civilization flourishes when people plant trees under whose shade they will never sit' Greek Proverb

      by janis b on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 09:13:44 PM PDT

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      •  Gen X (3+ / 0-)
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        Sounds like something in an ugly, pale, yellow and green box on a pharmacy counter that kills rats, or something.
        That'll be memorable.

        After 65 years, the ONLY thing I know absolutely and positively about life is that the check is SUPPOSED to be in the mail. That's it. Nothing else. PERIOD.

        by franklyn on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 09:20:30 PM PDT

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        •  You mean instead of (3+ / 0-)

          a whiter shade of pale

          'A civilization flourishes when people plant trees under whose shade they will never sit' Greek Proverb

          by janis b on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 09:24:05 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Yeah, well, generations don't pick their own names (2+ / 0-)
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          That hardly means we are pale, yellow and ugly.

          We know. The Baby Boomers are The.Best. Thing. Ever.

          That's all we've ever been told.

          Funny thing about Gen-X is that we've managed to carve out our own identity anyhow, and we don't generally malign the Millennials.

          Millennials are more liberal than older generations.

          The millennials are also the only generation of adults with more people who identify themselves as liberals than as conservatives. Just less than one-third of millennials call themselves liberals while about one-quarter identify as conservative. And nearly half say they have become more liberal as they have aged, with 57 percent saying their views on social issues have become more liberal over time.
          http://www.abqjournal.com/...

          Millenials are more finacially responsible:

          Millennials 'most fiscally responsible generation since the Great Depression"
          ...
          Millennials, defined as those that grew up in the 2000s, know what it's like to live in an unfavorable economy. Scarred by the recession, the group largely portrayed as selfish and frivolous, may be more fiscally responsible than their parents.
          http://blog.al.com/...

          And yes, many of us in the post-Boomer cohort just consume less. We came of age after the "Greed is Good" era. And even those who fell into the Yuppie trap soon figured out that upward mobility was hard because Boomers didn't eventually clear out to make room for the young people coming up behind them.  

          So people left the rat race. They started their own businesses, downsized. Gen-X watched our parents give their lives to one company. We were latchkey kids. But companies haven't proved any loyalty to us at all. So the same lessons we learned as latchkey kids we're still using: independence, self-responsibility, do your work quickly so there is time to have fun before the sun goes down.

          And we know that Millenials have their own lessons to learn; their own roles to fill.

          We never thought we were the best generation. So we can give the next generations to grow and be who they are without disparaging them.

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 12:09:35 AM PDT

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          •  It's not a good idea (2+ / 0-)
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            to malign or disparage either generation, before or after. There's value in the diversity and the uniquely inhabited experience.

            'A civilization flourishes when people plant trees under whose shade they will never sit' Greek Proverb

            by janis b on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 01:26:06 AM PDT

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          •  My response was to an attack on my generation. (1+ / 0-)
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            Should I have gone gentle into that good night?
            We've never thought of ourselves as the greatest generation. We're merely proud of what we have, and are accomplishing.
            I am with janis b:

             

            There's value in the diversity and the uniquely inhabited experience.
            I'd call it the most important value.

            After 65 years, the ONLY thing I know absolutely and positively about life is that the check is SUPPOSED to be in the mail. That's it. Nothing else. PERIOD.

            by franklyn on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 02:09:29 AM PDT

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      •  What is Lou Reed and what is a CD? nt (0+ / 0-)
    •  bbb = "Yo, millennials! Git off my lawn!" (4+ / 0-)
    •  I really dislike these kind of comments (12+ / 0-)

      Just as I really dislike diaries about how boomers have ruined the world or millennials are apathetic or, indeed, any sort of comment or diary that divides us as progressives.  We are all in this together.

      I respect people who are working for positive change regardless of when they were born.  

      Be sure you put your feet in the right place; then stand firm. ~ Abraham Lincoln

      by noweasels on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 09:44:54 PM PDT

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  •  Yah, we can take the sting out of leaving ... (1+ / 0-)
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    high uintas

    behind a planet in crisis to our grand children and great grand children. It happens quite naturally. You see, we just teach them to desire, and enjoy participating in the destructive behavior at a very early age, long before they ever have a clue as to what we did to them. It's really quite natural, isn't it?


    I travel back in time to get a running start on the future.

    by glb3 on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 08:41:16 PM PDT

  •  Er, no, we *do* vote less, (4+ / 0-)
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    and I imagine the fact that we tend not to identify with a political party is a strong indicator of this.

    An awful lot of us don't identify with a party because we are apathetic and cynical. That does mean we vote less.

    Code Monkey like freedom / Code Monkey like peace and justice too
    Code Monkey very nerdy man / With big warm fuzzy bleeding heart
    Code Monkey like you!

    Formerly known as Jyrinx.

    by Code Monkey on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 08:43:21 PM PDT

  •  labels (2+ / 0-)
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    There was time when activists were suffragettes. I think they majority of the population believes women have the right to vote but if we ask if they are suffragist, they might say no.

    I recall talking to a women 15 years my junior about feminism.  She worked, drover expensive cars, was a manager over men and women, and thought she was equal.  But she would not call herself a feminist.

    Now environmentalism is at the point of being accepted as the norm.  People recycle, even conservative people, and it is an effort that is not as detrimental as the older conservatives says.  There are hardcore environmentalist, you those that drive silly cars, don't eat meat, have LED bulbs everywhere, but not even most progressives go that far, even the ones that do call themselves environmentalists

    In any case, I am not sure if climbing a mountain makes you an environmentalist.  You have to fly, litter the mountain with trash, and in general are likely to leave the world worse off.

    •  Everest Climbers must now bring down at (2+ / 0-)
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      least 8kg of trash to base camp (and all garbage from base camp is ported out).

      The point is that each climber will bring down at least his own personal trash (and hopefully some extra) from the mountain. If they don't, they face serious legal consequences.

      These rules go into effect with the 2014 climbing season.

      As for flying, I suppose it depends what that person does the rest of the year. If she flies a couple times a year on a full commercial aircraft and otherwise, rides a bike everywhere, I'd say she likely is far less hazardous to the environment than someone who hops in his truck and commutes to work every day 40 miles roundtrip (which is a perfectly reasonable commute in most of the country).

      Like most things, it all depends...

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 12:21:29 AM PDT

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  •  Camp out for the climate, 28 senators (8+ / 0-)

    will stay up to discuss climate issues.  They are not millenials, but they do care.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    Wondering if the Kos would consider a blogathon?

    Best/sh

  •  I really don't care what Palin said at CPAC. (7+ / 0-)


    I travel back in time to get a running start on the future.

    by glb3 on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 08:53:54 PM PDT

  •  I look at Samantha Larson (8+ / 0-)

    …and I know I am relieved of a burden. I don't have to stand deliberately alone, ten degrees off-center from everyone else -- endlessly tugging the consciousness around me back to the possibility of viable rapid evolution.

    Whoever you people are who raised these kids, thank you.

    •  Good for her, but still, the Democratic Party (2+ / 0-)
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      blew a golden opportunity with the millennials. We have to face facts on that. The work of building a viable party is made much more difficult because of the austerity-minded missed chance to stand for something economically with the millennials IMHO. Ms. Larson may be quietly conscious of a lot of good things, but she does not associate that consciousness with a political party, and, as Gramsci would think if he were around, that is a big problem.

      garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

      by Galtisalie on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 12:55:51 AM PDT

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  •  So I started working on a call-out Diary (5+ / 0-)

    …today called:

    Ekaterin, noweasels, begone, and me.
    Do you think I'll get banned?

    Anyone know the connection?

  •  Samantha Larsen is an enviromentalist (9+ / 0-)

    ..and it seems like an active one at that.

    Protecting the environment is not something out there and far away, but something right here that needs to be intelligently incorporated into our day-to-day.
    She gets it - imo

    Maybe she doesn't 'identify with the label of environmentalist' because of the lousy politics she is exposed to and sees as useless. Can't blame her for that.

     Or maybe some friends are of the Mark McKinnon-no-label-like ilk or that are less informed about the tendency of the MSM to give "both sides" equal credence, and she has decided to stick to her work and leave the politics out of it. That's alright too if she votes her conscience

     Samantha Larson @ Grist with more environmental posts. also @ twitter

    Good for her and the work she is involved in.

    So it's up to us old farts to spread the word that one of the best ways to protect the environment is to vote for the party that has the best record on environmental issues - and to continue fighting to be sure that it does.

    Let's make sure that Samantha Larsen has no doubts about that so she will want/need to get out the vote to make her work have an even greater and lasting impact

     She and her friends are the ones who will tip the scale for Dems winning now and for the future if they do.

     - imo

    Thx MB

    •  Much better (2+ / 0-)
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      to feel integrated, a part of something, than a label or poster person of it. If this generation can grow to embody this as a norm, then there still might be hope.

      'A civilization flourishes when people plant trees under whose shade they will never sit' Greek Proverb

      by janis b on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 09:59:24 PM PDT

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    •  I want to have "faith" in what you are saying but (0+ / 0-)

      there are not enough of us old farts ("So it's up to us old farts to spread the word that one of the best ways to protect the environment is to vote for the party that has the best record on environmental issues."). I think we really blew it with millennials when the economy was going down the shitter to show them that the Democratic Party has their backs. Instead, we allowed ourselves to get pulled into playing the austerity game.  

      garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

      by Galtisalie on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 12:51:01 AM PDT

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  •  So I have this field (13+ / 0-)

    next to my house. The only thing that separates me from it is a chain link fence that doesn't enclose my yard, the back is open to another field. I took the pic standing between my fence and the old barb wire that you see.

    There is a nice little pond in the middle where the trees are, it's really a runoff catch but it's wet most of the time and a nice little ecosystem is growing there.

    Kitchen window view

     photo 101_0110.jpg

    I had just gotten back from walking down my driveway to take some garbage to the can when a friend told me that they tranquilized and trapped a mountain lion there Wed. night. I hope it didn't have a friend.

    And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County Down by the Green River where Paradise lay. Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away. John Prine

    by high uintas on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 09:50:23 PM PDT

  •  They were thinking of airing Cosmos... (8+ / 0-)

    Listen to The After Show & The Justice Department on Netroots Radio. Join us on The Porch Tue & Fri at Black Kos, all are welcome!

    by justiceputnam on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 09:56:48 PM PDT

  •  There are keys to every generation (3+ / 0-)
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    that open the gate to others.
    These are THE voice.

    After 65 years, the ONLY thing I know absolutely and positively about life is that the check is SUPPOSED to be in the mail. That's it. Nothing else. PERIOD.

    by franklyn on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 09:58:32 PM PDT

  •  Just saw the first installmant of "Cosmos." (8+ / 0-)

    Outstanding. Near the end de Grasse Tyson recalled that Carl Sagan mentored him when he was a very young man. He signed a book for him and augmented an already strong desire to be an astronomer. This was a very personal note, and very touching.

    There was an effective segment on Giordano Bruno, who was a martyr to science and new ideas because he went up against the church and conventional wisdom.

    The flat-earthers will go zooey. Next up: evolution, natural selection. I'll stay tuned. They won't, and they're the ones who need it the most.

    "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

    by Wildthumb on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 10:08:16 PM PDT

  •  "Cosmos" was brilliant (4+ / 0-)

    First Annie now Carl Sagan have become African-American!!

    And he kept saying that evolution word and the science word and even made a point of trying to criticize religion for burning Bruno at the stake.

    Whats the world coming to ay? A better place. But not for wingnuts.

    Remember to kick it over.

    by sprogga on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 10:45:58 PM PDT

  •  I just signed up for subscription... (0+ / 0-)

    and don't like the "recurring" part of it.  If I cancel now will that stop the recurring part but still keep it valid for the remainder of the year or will it cancel as of now?

    It's all a Communist PLOT!

    by quiet in NC on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 11:06:02 PM PDT

    •  Hmmm. (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm not sure. The best thing would be to ask tech support so you know you are getting the right answer.

      There is a small, gray "Help" link at the very top right of all Daily Kos pages which takes you to the Help Desk.

      Here is the link.

      Scroll down and select "Start a Discussion."

    •  quiet, (1+ / 0-)
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      When you post there, it will post on the discussions page where everyone can read it and learn the answer as well. You can make a discussion private between just you and staff (you will see a checkbox for that), but best to let everyone learn with you unless it is really something private, like a moderation issue or other problem. Pointing this out so you don't add your real name, email, etc..

  •  Vivian Maier, photographer... (1+ / 0-)
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    I imagine the erudite here already know about Vivian Maier, but I just discovered her work tonight and thought I'd share with others who might not know here work:

    http://www.vivianmaier.com/

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" Voltaire.

    by JWK on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 11:14:37 PM PDT

    •  I'm not sure what inspired your link (0+ / 0-)

      to Vivian Maier, but as a photographer, who appreciates an exceptional vision, I thank you for the introduction.

      'A civilization flourishes when people plant trees under whose shade they will never sit' Greek Proverb

      by janis b on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 12:44:44 AM PDT

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  •  Anyone feel the 6.9 quake 50 mi. W of Eureka CA? (2+ / 0-)
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    "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

    by Lefty Coaster on Sun Mar 09, 2014 at 11:43:37 PM PDT

    •  wow, no, (0+ / 0-)

      but then I'm in Denver. Had to google it.

      Chicago Sun Times

      EUREKA, Calif. — A powerful magnitude-6.9 earthquake struck Sunday night off the coast of Northern California, but there were no immediate reports of injury or damage and no danger of a tsunami, officials said.

      The temblor struck at 9:18 p.m. PDT and was centered 50 miles west of Eureka and about four miles beneath the Pacific seabed, according to the U.S. Geological Survey. It was followed by about a half-dozen aftershocks, including one of magnitude 4.6.

      There were no reports of any damages or injuries though the quake was felt widely and strongly, according sheriff’s and fire officials in Humboldt County, which includes most of the populated areas near the epicenter.

    •  Nope. (1+ / 0-)
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      But it was offshore and likely pretty deep.

      The I Felt It site responses are all pretty local and pretty tame with the exception of a few dramatic ones from people who are either much farther east or much farther south (or both) than I am. (Eyeroll)

      We were sitting at the dining room table with all the Dogs. If there were anything strange, if mr grover and I missed it, at least one of the dogs would have opened an eye.

      ;)

      No damage, no injuries reported. Seems pretty localized. They're extremely used to EQs up there.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 12:40:39 AM PDT

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  •  The actual numbers in the Pew Report (1+ / 0-)
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    Eric Nelson

    cited by Samantha Larson are in a way not so bad, and they are certainly worse for Republicans. But they also illustrate what LaFeminista wrote about yesterday as the problem with the Democratic Party's current corporate centrist brand, which does not enunciate a clearly distinct set of values on the left. A generation is growing up seeing no separation of the parties on that issue, or at least not caring about any such distinction if it is there. Larson linked to  http://abcnews.go.com/... which says:

    Only 27 percent said they consider themselves Democrats and 17 percent said Republicans. The half of millennials who say they are independent is an increase from 38 percent back in 2004.

    "It's not that they don't have strong opinions, political opinions, they do," Taylor said. "It's simply that they choose not to identify themselves with either political party."

    ...

    When the self-identified Democratic millennials are combined with the self-described independents who lean Democratic, half — 50 percent — of the millennials are Democrats or Democratic-leaning while 34 percent are Republicans or Republican-leaning.

    "They don't choose to identify, but they have strong views and their views are views that most people conventionally associate with the Democratic Party," Taylor said. "They believe in a big activist government on some of the social issues of the day — gay marriage, marijuana legalization, immigration. Their views are much more aligned with the Democratic Party."

    (Emphasis added.)

    This to me means that the Democratic Party has blown the opportunity in the culture to stand for anything important economically to the millennials. This is one of the reasons DSA makes such as big issue out of, and indeed its top-listed program is, eliminating student debt. Austerity is not attractive to millennials, yet it strangely remains embraced by the corporate mentality that continues to have far too much sway with the Democratic Party.

    Millennials' apathetic view of both parties also means that the work of building a functioning Democratic Party in an increasingly weakened democracy is going to be shared by less and less of the culture, which provides a major power vacuum the plutocrats can, do, and will exploit with their dollars. For if Congress and state legislatures can be bought (and clearly they can), and the Democratic Party hierarchy can be controlled by corporate centrists, losing the culture is not nearly so important to the plutocrats as it is to the left. The Republicans will have a harder time winning the presidency, but they will be fat and happy making sure a Democratic president or governor cannot get much done.

    Also interesting, if not more significant, and a point undoubtedly noted by Pope Francis, is the weakness of religion and marriage as institutional draws:

    Millennials also haven't bought into the idea that they should go to church or get married early.

    Only 36 percent of the millennials said the phrase "a religious person" described them very well, compared with 52 percent of the Gen Xers, 55 percent of the baby boomers and 61 percent of the Silent Generation. And they're significantly less religious than their immediately predecessors, the Gen Xers. When they were the same age, almost half of the Gen Xers — 47 percent — identified themselves as religious.

    The 64 percent of the millennials who say that they are not religious "is the highest for any age group we've ever measured," Taylor said.

    garden variety democratic socialist: accepting life's complexity|striving for global stewardship of our soil and other resources to meet everyone's basic needs|being a friend to the weak

    by Galtisalie on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 12:40:31 AM PDT

  •  Bruce Bartlett (0+ / 0-)

    You spent decades helping destroy the Middle Class, but in the past few years you've lost all your street cred with the right and now spend time writing Op-Eds about how wrong the Right has become.

    It's been wrong since before you were screwing the nation up.

    What gives? Did you lose your membership at Agusta?

    Instead of writing Op-Eds, work on balancing the tides and get the Dems back the House and hold the Senate.

    Stop wasting our time hoping to get a revised history about your epitaph. You screwed us all for decades.

  •  how quickly the spool turns ! (1+ / 0-)
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    ... when thread begins to run out.

    TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes? -- Addington's Perpwalk.

    by greenbird on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 01:14:31 AM PDT

  •  Malmo, Sweden: Fascist attack on Women's Day cele (0+ / 0-)

    Fascist Attacks in Malmo

    It is abundantly clear that the fascist threat against Sweden and Europe, against individuals and social movements, is not taken seriously. Neither the government, the security services nor the police have been able to present a clear and coherent approach towards this. Fascist violence should never be reduced to youth fights or extreme phenomena, such as, Birgitta Ohlsson's government extremist investigation. Then one misses the powerful political force that the fascist parties in Europe have become

    "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will." ~Frederick Douglass

    by ActivistGuy on Mon Mar 10, 2014 at 02:43:12 AM PDT

  •  El Salvador vote 'too close to call' (0+ / 0-)

    El Salvador's electoral tribunal says that after a preliminary count of the votes, the presidential election remains too close to call.

    Preliminary results suggest left-wing candidate Salvador Sanchez Ceren has a lead of 0.22 percentage points over his conservative rival Norman Quijano.

    The Supreme Electoral Tribunal asked the candidates to refrain from claiming victory, which both had done on Sunday.

    It said it could take until Thursday to confirm the official results.
    http://ccoaler.com/...
    http://www.bbc.com/...

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