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I've wondered and raised this before here. Back in 2007, relations between W and Putin were going downhil very fast.

Papa Bush stepped up and he and GWB invited Putin to the family compound at Kennebunkport for the July 1, 2007 weekend, to try to put the relaationship back on track. Aside from fishing and high-speed boatride photos, nothing was ever revealed.

Putin left, no commnique. A few days later, Putin tore up a missile treaty and things got worse, with the man into whose soul George had seen. That was the beginning of more high-stakes, bad behaviour. The events on the Russian side shortly afterward should have occasioned some questions as to what happened that weekend. But nothing.

Clearly it had gone very badly.. No one in the meda or academe ever talks about it. I even had trouble finding anything really solid in Dailykos archives. Lots of reports that it happened, boats, fish, etc., but nothing solid. Surely someone must know and be willing to talk.

Has anyone here ever heard anything solid? it may well point up how badly George bungled this relaltionship.

Here are items I found (I feel something more happened than what is revealed here):

http://www.dailykos.com/...

http://www.dailykos.com/...

http://www.dailykos.com/...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/...

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/...

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/...

 

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  •  Tip Jar (9+ / 0-)

    "...stories of past courage can define that ingredient..... But they cannot supply courage itself. For this each man must look into his own soul." JFK Profiles in Courage "

    by ontario on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:00:16 AM PDT

  •  I Would Have to Think George Sr. Would Deserve (7+ / 0-)

    most of the blame, being the responsible adult on the English speaking side.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 06:10:37 AM PDT

  •  I don't think any action by an American leader (0+ / 0-)

    is ultimately responsible for Putin's choices.  He has grown more and more determined to follow a more and more nationalist path because his form of illiberal democracy profits from that independent of what we do.

    The Stars and Bars and the red swastika banner are both offerings to the same barbaric god.

    by amyzex on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 08:21:28 AM PDT

    •  Don't disagree, but would still like to know (1+ / 0-)
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      what happened in Kennebunkport. It seemed to me even at that very moment something was changing.

      There was no leave-taking, no pictures, no WH release, no communique. Seemed then, and now, very strange after a very nice weekend as a guest in someone's private family home, especially since it was covered before his arrival, during his arrival and during the weekend in photos.

      It was not a private, unannounced visit, which actually do occur from time to time, believe it or not.

      A number of European heads of government and state actually vacation in Canada for up to a month, and it is never publicly revealed. And quiet meetings do occur.

      There  was some goal in that visit andn it was not achieved.

      But  I do understand  your point too, it was not everything.

      "...stories of past courage can define that ingredient..... But they cannot supply courage itself. For this each man must look into his own soul." JFK Profiles in Courage "

      by ontario on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 08:44:25 AM PDT

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    •  While it is true that the actions (1+ / 0-)
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      of America's leaders are not ultimately responsible for Putin's choices, it is equally true that his choices are strongly influenced by those actions. Putin has not been immune to America's geopolitical maneuvering in Eastern Europe and Kosovo, nor has he failed to take note of our willingness (some would say, irresponsible eagerness) to use military force in Afghanistan and Iraq.

      Illiberal though Putin's form of democracy may be, his leadership has, by and large, greatly benefitted the average Russian citizen. He has curbed the worst excesses of the oligarchs, and managed to restore national pride, and a semblance of law and order in what was a humiliated, bankrupt, and largely chaotic society. He remains a very popular figure amongst his countrymen.

      The same cannot be said for Dubya Bush -- whose actions divided America against itself, and badly damaged our international credibility. His legacy remains toxic to this day, as manifested by Neoconservative elements still rampant within our government and our media.

  •  psst... it is Kennebunkport (0+ / 0-)

    While the place is keen it isn't spelled that way

    Frankly, I’m getting more than a little tired of hearing from angry America. I’m also less than fond of knee-jerk America. And when you combine the two with the Internet, you too often get stupid America, which is really annoying.

    by jsfox on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 08:27:03 AM PDT

    •  I know, can't figure out how to change it -got it (0+ / 0-)

      correct in the body.

      "...stories of past courage can define that ingredient..... But they cannot supply courage itself. For this each man must look into his own soul." JFK Profiles in Courage "

      by ontario on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 08:33:32 AM PDT

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  •  Putin, Bush and Cheney (1+ / 0-)
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    Have a lot more in common than Putin and any Democrat!  They are oligarchs!  They believe in the rights and powers of the 1%.  They do not believe in democracy, the rights of people to vote, the right of the common people in a nation to express their will in a government.

    Bush never spoke out about Putin's moves in Georgia.  The GOP has a very short memory, collectively, of their past misdeeds and shortcomings.

    Voters should select people to represent them in their government. People in government should not select people who may vote!

    by NM Ray on Thu Mar 20, 2014 at 10:22:13 AM PDT

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