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I wondered, what would the people who spent all this time hunting me, stalking me, combing my Twitter feed, making lists, making spreadsheets, programming bots, what would they do if I just stopped posting as much?

I got my answer. First, people started calling me out. I took the bait the first few times, but then I stopped. All I'm doing by responding is adding fuel to the fire. Feeding the trolls. So then a funny thing happened: you started making shit up! That guy, posting at the helpdesk, imitating DailyKos users: He's not me. He's posting gross, juvenile, sexist, terrible stuff. I've never posted anything like that, and if I have, please link it.

The thing is, everyone he's targeted with his childish insults are people I would describe as having a center-right point of view, or someone I've had disagreements with in the past. He even posted as “Squashed Hubbard” once. This guy is deliberately trying to frame me. The helpdesk troll is someone who knows DailyKos and has something against me. He's one of you! He's someone who goes on here, posts comments like a normal neoliberal Dailykos user, then sits at his keyboard and actually thinks up and then types crap like this.

You really have no shame. You're willing to go to any lengths to defeat me, even going against your own supposed morals. Seriously, one of you actually sat at your keyboard and made up offensive, ugly comments about Ian Reifowitz's haircut and toilet humor about people's genitals. Really. It wasn't a RW troll and it wasn't me. It was one of you! Think about that.

There are no rules at DailyKos anymore. You guys are willing to do anything. There is no low you won't stoop to. Insults are OK now. Outing identities of users is OK now, thank God you guys never found my real name. Trolling the helpdesk posting gross, offensive comments about  people is OK now, as long as it becomes a Squash-the-Squash-fest. It's all officially condoned by the leadership of this site.

What's even sadder is that most of you are older than me! You raise kids and grandkids! Sit on schoolboards and city councils! You teach college classes, you're nurses and lawyers! You're running this fucking country. You're supposed to lead by example. And this is how you act. Like seventh graders. Holy fucking Christ.

Link to one thing I've said that's offensive. Link to offensive comments that make me a “troll” But you can't. Lying about people is OK in this Twilight zone of a website.

So I'm here to say “you win”. I'm done. I fucking give up. I will post no more comments on this site or on the Helpdesk. Anyone after right now who posts and says they are me is lying. I'm not even responding to this diary so feel free to post those insults DailyKos is becoming well known for. This place is so toxic I don't know why anyone would ever want to post here. Shit, why the fuck am I here??! People are leaving, despite Markos's University of Maximegalon studies saying that traffic has increased by 600 megafarks or something. You post diaries trying to get new people to post comments and only get people who have been here since 2005.

You win. You've beaten me with the most childish and below-the-belt of tactics. You've proven yourselves as the biggest bullies on the political blogosphere. You're right up there with 4chan. So congrats, I guess.

Politicians and real activists and people who actually have news or something to say only still post here for the audience, so it's time to do something about that. It's time for other blogs to step in and fill the void. DailyKos is not Too Big to Fail, and right now it is full of fail. This place is a mess, and it's sad that such a childish, meanspirited, psychotic echo chamber is the voice of Democrats on the Internet. But hey, you're proud of that.

Someone will probably say “call the waaaahmbulance”, because that's what you are. You're bullies. Jesus friggin' Christ, find something else to do.

DailyKos is nothing but a waste of time. You guys are gonna post comments screaming “Bojo! Bojo! Bojo!” Fucking look at yourselves! Learn some self-control!

I'm out. But keep making shit up and saying it's me if it makes you feel better. I won't respond. Holy fucking shit.

8:02 AM PT: For those who don't know what's going on or don't really care: yes. this is a zombie account. If you've never heard of me, no worries. It means you're actually paying attention to much more important things and ignoring this meta crap.

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  •  Thanks. This should make it easier to identify (8+ / 0-)

    whomever else has been playing merry hob with a number of things around the site.

    At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

    by serendipityisabitch on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:21:39 AM PDT

    •  HRing simply because it's da rules for zombies nt (5+ / 0-)
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      terrybuck, Sylv, IndieGuy, Piren, Tortmaster

      At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

      by serendipityisabitch on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:23:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The fact that this comment received two rec's is (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        serendipityisabitch

        a mystery.
        Please clue me in as to the secret behind recommending someone for thanking a member for leaving and calling them a denunciation; all with no backup.
        All this must be information available on a different level than I have the privilege to partake of...

        "If you tell the truth, you won't have to remember anything", Mark Twain

        by Cruzankenny on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:07:43 AM PDT

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        •  The diarist... (5+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Sylv, terrybuck, Cedwyn, cville townie, Piren

          is claiming to be a victim of some inane campaign directed at
          'Hubbard Squash'...

          The thing is, everyone he's targeted with his childish insults are people I would describe as having a center-right point of view, or someone I've had disagreements with in the past. He even posted as “Squashed Hubbard” once. This guy is deliberately trying to frame me. The helpdesk troll is someone who knows DailyKos and has something against me. He's one of you! He's someone who goes on here, posts comments like a normal neoliberal Dailykos user, then sits at his keyboard and actually thinks up and then types crap like this.
          As this person is using the pseudonym 'D0nt Believe The Hype', that makes the diarist a sockpuppet at best, and a zombie at worst. And yes, donuts are the recommended diet for either animal.

          http://www.thestarshollowgazette.com/...

          Previous signature removed by admin. in a fit of pique because it was deemed harassment of a troll... you'll just have to guess who.

          by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:22:01 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  The diarist isn't trying to hide the fact (31+ / 0-)

            that he's a zombie, yet another incarnation of Broke and Unemployed/Hubbard Squash/Inflatable Yak etc. The point he's making is that he has nothing to do with the obnoxious infestation of Help Desk spam that mocks prominent Kossacks in deliberately hurtful ways; that, in fact, he's a victim of the same campaign.

            I believe him. A check of any of the many many Squash iterations will turn up nothing that resembles the nasty personal attacks of the past couple weeks; nothing even close. For sure, Yak enjoys poking DKos admin, but his mocking amounts to rolling his eyes and pointing his finger, not the ugly crap we're seeing at the Help Desk now.

            The users who gleefully assume that the present diarist is behind the Help Desk spam demonstrate a remarkable lack of subtlety and insight.

            When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

            by PhilJD on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:50:58 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  It seems reasonable (8+ / 0-)

              that a persistent, obsessive, and juvenile troll will continue to escalate into continued persistent, obsessive, and juvenile behavior by whatever means he can, and analogous to the Boy who Cried Wolf, it certainly is not unreasonable to consider him the first suspect in any given act of sustained trolling by an anonymous douche.

              That said, I have no reason to disbelieve this particular persistent, obsessive, and juvenile troll's protest that he's not the same persistent, obsessive and juvenile troll as the one spoofing other people in the helpdesk.

              "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

              by raptavio on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 09:22:31 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  I have to agree, the tone is off and the whole (9+ / 0-)

              "feel" of the post is very different.

              I usually ignore the help desk as I don't have many problems but I just went and looked over a few of the offensive (and yes, they are offensive as hell) posts and I think it's either Hubbard Yak is better at hiding his "voice'" than we think.....which doesn't really click or he wouldn't get caught out as a zombie every 5 minutes......or 2 it is a different person with a much nastier bent.....the endgame is very different for the two....

              Personally, I think the Yakster is not the same person as the help desk troll.

              I've been wrong before though, anything is possible at this place but I agree with you on this one Phil.....

              Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
              I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
              Emiliano Zapata

              by buddabelly on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:24:49 AM PDT

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            •  Agreed. I was just filling in some blanks for (4+ / 0-)

              Cruzankenny. Some of this stuff you won't find in the FAQ.

              Previous signature removed by admin. in a fit of pique because it was deemed harassment of a troll... you'll just have to guess who.

              by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 11:21:32 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  We now know that outing efforts, including (6+ / 0-)

              crowdsourcing outing attempts, are approved and even encouraged if Admin is sufficiently pissed at a user.

              But you're absolutely correct - in years of using dozens of zombies, Hubbard Squash  has never said anything that remotely approaches that horrific comment RE: Meteor Blades.

              That's the work of a sadist, not a goofball.

              We also know the un-admitted errors that the clowns engaged in this "hunt" have made before, trashing the names of people who had no means to defend themselves on the basis of utter bullshit like the misapplication of plagiarism software they didn't understand.

              Every "troll hunter" I've ever seen has been a nasty and sadistic troll themselves who has enjoyed inflicting social death on others.  I've never seen one who in the end has been motivated by anything but the pathetic thrill of power they feel with each virtual kill.

              Some of them are notorious trolls who claim to have "reformed", when they've only actually found a way to express their sadism that approved by lazy people with a tiny bit of power.

              Look at what they argue for here.  Only the law should restrain what they're allowed to do to "trolls", according to them.

              They're like cops who join the force specifically because they'll be allowed to hit people.

              Getting to fuck with people in real life, as they now seem to believe they've been given carte blanche to do, is ever more satisfying for them than just getting to do it here.

              •  Care to explain this? (0+ / 0-)

                I am not enlightened about said matter:

                We now know that outing efforts, including
                crowdsourcing outing attempts, are approved and even encouraged if Admin is sufficiently pissed at a user.
                If admin is upset with a user, they crowdsource to out that person? That doesn't compute. Explain, please...?

                Click the ♥ to join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news & views written from a black pov - everyone is welcome.

                by mahakali overdrive on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 07:09:32 AM PDT

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                •  Can you explain in small words why you believe (0+ / 0-)

                  I'd have any interest in interacting with you?

                  Can you go one better, and explain why you're roaming dead threads in the hiddens more than two days after they died?

            •  Whoever got (4+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Brecht, PhilJD, triv33, CenPhx

              Broke and Unemployed banned in the first place demonstrated a remarkable lack of subtlety and insight.

              If you look at Broke and Unemployed's final comments... there are no HRs at all, and he's largely complaining about the amount of "policing" going on against diaries which seemed to be CT, in a diary complaining about another diary which actually was banned CT.

              The comment is in a diary warning about a cockamamie voting-fraud conspiracy theory. But all of B&E's comments are about garden-variety voter suppression of the kind we know Republicans have been doing for years: direct mail caging (documented Ohio 2004, probably 2008 and 2010), moving machines from Dem areas to where they aren't needed (documented Ohio 2004, Virginia 2012), etc.

              His wife was forced to vote provisional by exactly that kind of suppression, using returned direct mail for caging. B&E was concerned this suppression would continue and was arguing because of the amount of pushback his own lived experiences were getting. Unfortunately his comments happened to be in diaries that were either pushing much crazier CT, or warning about it, and he was also arguing against the amount of policing in general, partly due to the ridiculously hostile way this site reacted to the original attempt to disclose and publicize the Romney 47% tapes. Now we know dKos sadly isn't a good place to go if you are in possession of such interesting information, despite that its eventual corroboration arguably saved us from President Romney.

              There's no note from kos (unlike for a couple users who actually were pushing CT), but someone (kos?) went through that diary and just banned people willy-nilly. And to this day B&E/HS is remembered as "that user posting CT" when it was nothing of the sort. The moderators did not notice that his comments were not actually that closely related to the subject of the diary. So he wasn't banned for promoting any theory actually disallowed, someone just banned him for arguing about the site policy, or for posting in the wrong place, which is ludicrous.

              So the rest is all because of the twitter account. @BannedByKos left some clues and I guess that's why the "weathersquad" bothered looking for his comments. The irony is the zombie would never have been discovered without that taunting. I still think it's pretty silly that this site took the twitter account seriously enough to look for the zombie. Much less silly after he started creating tens of accounts at a time, of course. Now HS is associated mostly with repeated zombie disruption, and the ban has been well earned.

              As an aside, while I don't believe HS is the helpdesk troll, one thing gives me pause about his denial. I'm almost certain the Nintendo set of users (Mario Sunshine and Shield Eater, though not Koopatroopa), as well as Failure in Shear, were actually HS, even though he denied it on twitter. For a while I thought it might be another serial zombie from a similar (Akron/Portage) location. But the writing style is too similar (no, I won't elaborate in public; I'd rather feed neither the zombie nor the hunters).

              I'm personally kind of tired of the dKos pie wars. But the site has embarrassed itself with its poor, haphazard moderation on occasions such as when B&E was originally banned. Those that are cheering it on should take a serious look in the mirror and ask what progressive purpose it serves when the site governance is just that broken. Just my 2¢.

              •  1/2/14 (1+ / 0-)
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                howarddream

                http://www.dailykos.com/...

                I have no problem with people coming back after being banned as long as they get Kos to say ok . If they fail to get the ok from Kos and return anyway , I'll show them the door , over and over .

                "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                by indycam on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 11:13:52 AM PDT

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              •  "was rigged" vs "garden-variety voter suppression" (1+ / 0-)
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                howarddream

                http://www.dailykos.com/...

                The 2004 election here in Ohio was rigged, and I shouldn't have to apologize to someone who's never been to Ohio and couldn't even find Cleveland on a map just because he supposedly "owns" a website.

                "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                by indycam on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 11:28:31 AM PDT

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                •  I can't find any comment (0+ / 0-)

                  of this sort from the original Broke and Unemployed account.

                  •  Do you accept that it is the same person ? (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    howarddream

                    Do you agree that he is saying an election was rigged ?
                    He is saying this as one of his many excuses , from one of his many zombie accounts . He is saying he was right in what he claimed and that Kos was wrong and that Kos is not even the owner . "Our site our rules" was what he said a few times under one of his many names .

                    If it was the case that he didn't say / mean that the election was rigged , he could have gone and talked to Kos .
                    He failed to do that , he decided to sneak back in via zombie / troll / sockpuppet accounts . He did those things and taunted from another site , lied about people , their positions , what they said and did . He made a great big game of it , did you see where he was recommending his own comments with sockpuppets ?

                    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                    by indycam on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 02:33:52 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
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                      Brecht, kharma

                      "rigged" is a very vague term. It could be referring to the same kind of thing he was talking about from his original account — well documented, almost legal, voter suppression tactics that do not require any conspiracy to manipulate the actual vote totals.

                      I've seen nothing resembling actually banned CT from his original account.

                      I guess I'm on the record now — the original ban was ridiculous, and the hunting for his first couple relatively innocuous zombies was also somewhat silly. The twitter account, trolling attacks, and the "great big game" are unfortunate, he's clearly made himself unwelcome here with that bullshit, and I can't imagine why the admins would want to reinstate someone now with such a history of disruptively trolling the site.

                      At the same time, the (lack of) reason for the original ban makes at least some of his animus toward the site quite understandable (though not the obsessiveness or the paranoia that site users are going to come assault him in real life, for example). Such a falsehood has now become legend, to the point that legions of zombie hunters believe they are hunting not only a zombie but a conspiracy theorist. I don't approve of his methods, nor of disrupting the site just to attention whore, but I understand why he would want to call the attention of other users of this site to that. (I also don't think he's been very effective at getting people to think of him as anything but a disruptive zombie troll.)

                      •  So you want to say rigged is not rigged ? (0+ / 0-)
                        At the same time, the (lack of) reason for the original ban makes at least some of his animus toward the site quite understandable ...
                        You say there was a lack of reason ?

                        This might have been it along with the recommends given on other peoples comments .
                        http://www.dailykos.com/...

                        but denying realities that are happening because of some  minor detail you disagree with is not being reality based,
                        That diarist (2+ / 0-)

                        urged people to not dismiss the Anonymous claims, to treat them seriously. And that's when it crossed the line.

                        by kos on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 10:28:17 PM PST

                        "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                        by indycam on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 04:00:01 PM PDT

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                        •  The fact that it's not clearly evident (0+ / 0-)

                          what the reason is, along with his comments not expressing anything actually bannable, means there was no justifiable reason, unless there are some private messages we're not aware of. QED.

                          •  Its all there if you read the comments . (0+ / 0-)

                            http://www.dailykos.com/...

                            You seem to be the only one in this diary (10+ / 0-)

                            Who views this as a fight, let alone a childish one, just as you appear unable to see the difference between voter suppression and vote fraud.

                            Your objections are noted, but this seems to be a childish fight in and of itself.

                            by BoiseBlue on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 07:17:15 AM PST

                            [ Parent ]

                                 Everyone else who might agree with me... (1+ / 0-)

                                ...is smart enough that they already left this piefight. I should quit wasting my time here.

                                by Broke And Unemployed on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 07:25:17 AM PST

                            Kos saw what was what . Kos did what he said he would do .

                            "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                            by indycam on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 04:11:18 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  That comment might be true (0+ / 0-)

                            but I don't think it's the reason he's arguing. He's arguing about site policy because he's concerned other things, like voter suppression and the 47% tape, would be subject to the same aggressive policing.

                            So, yes, he's unable to see the difference in this case between the banned CT and the voter suppression, in terms of site policy treating them differently. But at the same time he's still not advocating the banned CT.

                          •  Well I guess from the results (0+ / 0-)

                            of his going into and continuing in a diary that Kos was in , where Kos was making it perfectly clear that he would ban CT supporters , Broke And Unemployed's comments and recommends on other peoples comments , showed not only to Kos but others as well , that Broke And Unemployed was indeed supporting the Rove "vote fraud" "that are happening" CT .

                            If he was misunderstood in his support of the Rove vote fraud CT , after he was banned he could have gone to Kos and explained away all the things he said and recommended in the diary he participated in . His failure to do that , maybe because it was impossible to walk it all back in any rational way , or maybe because he felt his understanding of the site and its rules superseded any and all rules that Kos had placed on the site , is ultimately the real problem in the end .

                             

                            "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                            by indycam on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 04:34:00 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  It's truly astounding (0+ / 0-)

                            the pretzel logic you'll put yourself in to claim he was promoting the banned CT.

                          •  Its amazing to me that you can't see it . (0+ / 0-)

                            It's very easy to see , I'm not the only person who saw it ,
                            it doesn't even take any effort . Just read what he posted , read what he recommended .

                            In a diary that was called

                            Not Even Wrong - Anonymous Stopped Rove from Stealing the Election
                            With this ever so clear comment from Kos
                            Jesus Fucking Christ
                            Rove had nothing to do with Orca. This is idiotic. As is this stupid claim that Anonymous stopped anything.
                            I swear to fucking god, the "Rove was going to steal the election" bullshit is patently ridiculous. And, in fact, it's CT.
                            So warning here, where people might or might not see it -- I will wield the ban-hammer ruthlessly against anyone who further spreads this shit.

                            by kos on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 01:24:16 AM EST

                            broke and unemployed said its a reality that is happening .
                            but denying realities that are happening
                            When it is pointed out to him that appears
                            unable to see the difference between voter suppression and vote fraud.
                            What does he say ?
                            Everyone else who might agree with me...
                                ...is smart enough that they already left this piefight. I should quit wasting my time here.
                            ........................
                            He posted a few comments against the diary ,
                            whats funny is he was against the very diary that Kos was participating in . He was against an anti CT diary .
                            If broke and unemployed didn't agree with the CT ,
                            he had made it look very much that he was .

                            "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                            by indycam on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 05:07:57 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  More pretzel logic. (0+ / 0-)

                            So we're agreed that B&E didn't post anything actually agreeing with the conspiracy theory. But he made it look like he might while he was arguing, for a possibly different reason, with the site policy on the subject.

                          •  No we are not in agreement on that (0+ / 0-)

                            I see it and you don't .

                            Why did he answer this question

                            unable to see the difference between voter suppression and vote fraud.
                            this way ?
                            Everyone else who might agree with me...
                                ...is smart enough that they already left this piefight. I should quit wasting my time here.
                            Everyone who agrees with me about what ?

                            "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                            by indycam on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 05:36:19 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                  •  this is the thread, kos banned hubbard himself (2+ / 0-)
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                    howarddream, mahakali overdrive

                    There are no rules, only the illusion of rules.

                    by Drewid on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 03:48:22 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  I don't see anything to indicate that (0+ / 0-)

                      other than "seriously, dumbest argument in this thread". Of course Kos was going through that thread and banning other users (two of which I linked).

                      So I guess it's now a bannable offense to post the dumbest comment in a thread. Survivor Kos! Who will be the last person on the island?

        •  There is a banned user, one of whose usernames (10+ / 0-)

          was Hubbard Squash - there were several previous incarnations before that - who has since come back at least a dozen times under different usernames.

          Assuming that the diary is true, this individual is declaring that he will not be opening any more accounts on Daily Kos, which will cut down one source of errata. There is/may be one or more other users who have been targeting the Help Desk for harassment, and possibly also doing either false spam or trolling. Knowing that HS will no longer be here will simplify some of the hunting for that other user or users.

          So I thanked him. And, since the ToS does not allow multiple accounts at DKos, I HR'd him to alert admin that there is a problem.

          Strange, but not totally illogical.

          At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

          by serendipityisabitch on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:48:29 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  I really don't know what (11+ / 0-)

    this is about, but I have seen people jump all over posters in a manner that would make kindergarteners pause in awe.  I just stay away from commenting on that diary, once I see that game is up.  It's a shame, but yes, bullies can and do win.

    "The light which puts out our sight is darkness to us." Thoreau

    by NancyWH on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:27:02 AM PDT

  •  I'm finally listening to my wife. (0+ / 0-)

    She's been telling me to get off this site for a long time.

    •  Rate the comment, not the commenter (0+ / 0-)

      ;-)

    •  but you're still here (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      GoGoGoEverton

      addicted, eh?

    •  what is a long time? You have been here 3 months (1+ / 0-)
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      Amber6541

      and you posted 5  comments.  You consider that a long time to be on a website and a long history of writing diaries and posting comments. I see one diary and about 5 comments.

      I do not get this at all.

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      by wishingwell on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:00:29 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  So has everyone else. (5+ / 0-)

      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

      by raptavio on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 09:24:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Why are ya'll (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        poligirl, BleacherBum153

        being dicks?

        Has this person hurt you?

        I'm a Saltine American

        by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 01:10:42 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I think they're just upset... (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          JesseCW, LaEscapee

          That the Helpdesk troll and Hubbard aren't the same person.

          The fact that Hubbard has declared his intent to cease his activities on the site also might be a factor, because in so doing, he henceforth denies some of the more dedicated community moderators the low-hanging fruit his recurring incarnations, and the vanquishing thereof, offered them.

          Gone are the glory days of being the first to identify and HR a zombie who outright identifies himself as such.

          Now they'll have to focus their efforts on more difficult tasks, like ridding the site of non-zombie members in good standing who post comments that hurt their fee-fees, "supported now-banned users," or supposedly "defend zombies."




          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

          by DeadHead on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 02:18:47 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Can you uprate your wife's comment for me? (9+ / 0-)

      KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

      by fcvaguy on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 09:25:06 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Can you (1+ / 1-)
        Recommended by:
        poligirl
        Hidden by:
        GoGoGoEverton

        quit being an asshole.

        Nevermind the answer to both questions is no>

        Glad I could be of help

        I'm a Saltine American

        by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 01:12:54 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Look in the damn mirror (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          GoGoGoEverton, doroma, JoanMar

          for fuck sake.

          KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

          by fcvaguy on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 01:47:19 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Start another helpdesk thread (6+ / 0-)

          where you complain about bad moderation, whilst supporting zombies who are flaunting site rules, and calling people assholes. Then, your victory will be complete.

          While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

          by GoGoGoEverton on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 02:32:20 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I don't need the desk (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            poligirl

            I just let ya'll show up in the daylight.

            I'm a Saltine American

            by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 02:40:34 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Um BTW (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            poligirl

            Those things aren't weapons to be used against your foes stopstop

            I'm a Saltine American

            by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 02:44:39 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  The shameless hypocrisy (7+ / 0-)

            of some around here, given the relentless bullying and harassment towards duhban as supposedly being a zombie perpetrated by many of the same tribe that don't like how a real zombie is being treated here is disgusting.

            If Liberals hated America, we'd vote Republican.

            by ord avg guy on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 03:37:46 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  well said (5+ / 0-)

              KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

              by fcvaguy on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:17:04 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  Very well-put. Nt (4+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              ord avg guy, fcvaguy, doc2, Tortmaster

              While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

              by GoGoGoEverton on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:18:44 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  How about a battle of wits? (0+ / 0-)

                I do realize you are unarmed so I'll take that into consideration. Are ya up for it?

                I'm a Saltine American

                by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:34:19 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Nice jokebook, have one newer than 1950? (6+ / 0-)

                  While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                  by GoGoGoEverton on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:52:35 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Let me tell you something (0+ / 0-)

                    nevermind that would allow you to know something

                    I'm a Saltine American

                    by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:56:25 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  This person is trying so hard to fight (4+ / 0-)

                    with you and all you do is mock him and refuse to engage. Textbook example of how to deal with aggressive people on the internet. Kudos to you sir.

                    •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

                      All they do is duck and dive and talk shit about others.

                      Oh hey doc! Do you have any psychological analysis you would like to put forth?

                      I'm a Saltine American

                      by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 06:48:21 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Just looked over some of your (3+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        ord avg guy, poco, Tortmaster

                        comments here and see that you have spent most of the day getting into fights with other people here, or at least trying to (no one else seems to want to fight with you as much as you try to bait them). IMO you should ask yourself why you are doing this, and perhaps how you could better spend your time that would be more fulfilling to your life. You live once; trolling for arguments on the internet has got to be one of the worst ways to spend your precious time (especially a Sunday). Good luck to you, really.

                        •  And there in a nutshell is the cruxed (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          poligirl

                          I need to ask myself why I am doing this yet they need not question what drives them to go after someone that they have no clue about? I am not defending anyone, not even myself but when I see or smell bullshit, when I see people running in packs and patting each other on the back, this lone man will stand up.

                          The fact that when it happens and when it rankles and the pack circles the wagon only serves to rove the point. Watch my comment, they have 24 hours. They treat this shit like it's a game. I treat it like it's real life and the person I am speaking to are people.

                          I'm a Saltine American

                          by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:14:29 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  LaEscapee - this is just (3+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            ord avg guy, doroma, duhban

                            a blog. None of the injustices that you think are going on here rise to the level that justifies such attacks on your part. It's just a blog, and pretty much everyone here (trolls excepted) agree on the vast majority of issues. You really should consider taking a break if you can't see how trivial all this is.

                          •  On my part? (0+ / 0-)

                            You take a break. Or how about telling those that are talking shit about me too.

                            Oh I get it it I'm the bad guy and am just deranged. Like I said I just let them come into the daylight for the world to see.

                            I'm a Saltine American

                            by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:26:42 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                        •  It's All He Does. (1+ / 0-)
                          Recommended by:
                          doc2

                          With people skills like that, you gotta wonder why "progressives" can rarely win people over to their way of thinking.

                          I miss Speaker Pelosi :^(

                          by howarddream on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 05:39:58 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  Oh come on. (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            howarddream

                            There are all types of assholes across the political spectrum. Most progressives I've come across are pretty good people. But of course we have our share of people with social problems. This one probably has the potential to change his ways (though he doesn't seem to be ready to take that path right now).

                          •  Oh, I Agree. (0+ / 0-)

                            That's why I put progressives in quotes. Most progressives I know don't act that way.

                            I'm pretty familiar with his behavior here. He is very abrasive and likes to pick fights with people. Everyone has the potential to change, but for the four years that I have been here, I don't see it happening for that user anytime soon.

                            I miss Speaker Pelosi :^(

                            by howarddream on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 07:14:28 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Why don't they just ban (0+ / 0-)

                            him? A flick of the switch and he's gone. Maybe he does some good stuff in addition to all the fight-picking. Maybe he's not always that way.

            •  You crack me up (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              poligirl, DeadHead

              In case you haven't noticed I don't scare that easy.

              Some things are documented and others aren't the only difference for a hypocrite is which side of the bubble they reside.

              I'm a Saltine American

              by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:17:51 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Nice straw man! (5+ / 0-)

                No honest reading of my comment would find any attempt to "scare" anyone. Nice try though.

                But for the record, I haven't noticed you enough to determine how easily you "scare". But I'll take your biased self-assessment under advisement.

                As far as the treatment of duhban; Folks can rationalize all they want about "documentation" and "evidence", but we both know that at the end of the day the admins, who have access to more info than the vigilante bullies, determined duhban was not a zombie. At the end of the day it was just a group of bullies who didn't like what a user was saying and did everything they could to silence him. Disgusting, hypocritical fail.

                If Liberals hated America, we'd vote Republican.

                by ord avg guy on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 06:45:22 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Bullshit (0+ / 0-)

                  You know who I am and you should know I couldn't give two shits about duhban or hubbard or others on this blog.

                  What I care about is honest interaction and when it's not happening I raise my hand.

                  You call others bullies? You call me a bully while traveling with a pack to chastise others for actually having a differing opinion. You may have been here longer than me but bet your ass you are not better than me.

                  I'm a Saltine American

                  by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:35:22 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  The only bullshit here is yours. (2+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    Tortmaster, duhban

                    I DO NOT know you. You're just part of a tribal bully pack as far as I've seen. I know nothing more about you than that.

                    I never claimed to be better than you. That is your straw man to imply that I made any claim otherwise. In other words, that's a completely dishonest interaction on your part.

                    Two straw men in two comments to me. Sort of blows out of the water your ridiculous claim that you're just here to call bullshit where you see it, doesn't it. You're producing the bullshit.

                    You're not a hero in this thread. You're not being noble in this thread. You're not standing up for the little guy in the face of oppression. You're just trolling a bunch of people you don't like, trying to pick a fight, and then dishonestly claiming moral high ground by smearing me and every one else you don't like when you get called on it. Nothing noble about that.

                    Sorry. Bullshit doesn't float.

                    If Liberals hated America, we'd vote Republican.

                    by ord avg guy on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:55:56 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  You are full of shit (0+ / 0-)

                      Do you see my "tribal pack" coming to my rescue?

                      You call others bullies. Have you ever dove in late to hiderate me?

                      The same people make the same proclamations about some supposed secret society that bullies others while doing exactly what you denounce. People can read this and like you they know I mince no words. because yes you do know who I am and where I stand. I speak in straight language and you really should learn the definition of "strawman".

                      As I said before, you don't fucking scare me no matter how many friends you bring

                      I'm a Saltine American

                      by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:54:58 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Still more bullshit. (2+ / 0-)
                        Recommended by:
                        fcvaguy, duhban

                        Your fiction is getting ludicrous.

                        "Rescue" you? "Rescue" you from what? You are the attacker here, not me. I didn't comment to you. You commented to me. You are not a victim, no matter how desperately you try to paint yourself as one. The people in this thread who you trolled and name called are the ones being attacked. You are the attacker.

                        I'm sorry that your name calling and trolling didn't have the effect you wanted. I'm sorry your bullshit is being thrown back in your face. I'm sorry that you have revealed yourself.

                        I don't recall if I ever HRed you, under any circumstances. If I did it was because you posted a HRable comment. That's how it's supposed to work when tribal packs aren't just going after people they don't agree with. You should take a look at the way your little pack went after duhban. Oh wait, you already did. That bullshit was fine though because hypocrisy, that's why.

                        I make no claims about some "secret society". More dishonest bullshit from you. It's no fucking secret what your pack does and who they are.

                        You don't speak in straight language. You dishonestly spin and use "strawman"[sic] arguements to make false claims and smear people you don't like. It's as simple as that. It's as transparent as that.

                        I will not be roll over while you try to smear me to cover your own shitty behavior.

                        If Liberals hated America, we'd vote Republican.

                        by ord avg guy on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 05:10:27 AM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  No you didn't (0+ / 0-)

                          comment to me. You commented about me. and you and "your tribe" think that others shouldn't be allowed to respond in kind.

                          Grow up

                          I'm a Saltine American

                          by LaEscapee on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 05:56:10 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  The bullshit keeps on coming. (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            duhban

                            I didn't comment about you unless you're part of a tribal pack displaying hypocritical behavior in this thread. I didn't you well enough to know whether that includes you or not (but I had my suspicions). If you think my first comment was about you than you are acknowledging that you are indeed a hypocrite. You tried the shoe on and decided it fit. That's fine, but that's you're decision, not mine.

                            For you to say I think "others shouldn't be allowed to respond in kind" is a complete lie, by you, about me. You are a liar. I think it's very revealing that you're responding with lies, name calling, smears and straw men. It reveals a lot about you and the credibility you bring to this site. For you to dishonestly suggest I think you shouldn't be "allowed" is pure bullshit. Nothing in any of my comments comes even close to suggesting that. The truth is just the opposite, in fact. I think it's great that you're proving yourself to be completely dishonest. I encourage you and others to put on display for us the unadulterated bullshit manner in which you engage people outside your pack.

                            You're not getting HRed. You're not a victim here. You are not a victim, no matter how desperately you try to paint yourself as one. The people in this thread who you trolled and name called and smeared and lied toare the ones being attacked. You are the attacker.

                            I will not let you smear me or lie about me unchallenged.

                            If Liberals hated America, we'd vote Republican.

                            by ord avg guy on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 08:04:40 AM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  My comment that recieved a bogus hr (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            CenPhx
                             Can you (1+ / 1-)

                            quit being an asshole.

                            Nevermind the answer to both questions is no>

                            Glad I could be of help

                            I'm a Saltine American

                            by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 03:12:54 PM CDT

                            The two responses to me
                            Look in the damn mirror (2+ / 0-)

                            for fuck sake.

                            KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

                            by fcvaguy on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 03:47:19 PM CDT

                            [ Parent | Reply to This | Recommend Hide ]
                             Start another helpdesk thread (5+ / 0-)

                            where you complain about bad moderation, whilst supporting zombies who are flaunting site rules, and calling people assholes. Then, your victory will be complete.

                            While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                            by GoGoGoEverton on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:32:20 PM CDT

                            Your response not to me but to others responding to me
                             The shameless hypocrisy (5+ / 0-)

                            of some around here, given the relentless bullying and harassment towards duhban as supposedly being a zombie perpetrated by many of the same tribe that don't like how a real zombie is being treated here is disgusting.

                            If Liberals hated America, we'd vote Republican.

                            by ord avg guy on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:37:46 PM CDT

                            Reading is fundamental

                            I'm a Saltine American

                            by LaEscapee on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 12:59:47 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Oh I see. My bad. (4+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            fcvaguy, duhban, howarddream, doc2

                            You engaged in trolling and name calling and got one (1) little HR for BAD and yoiu think you can spin that into you being a fucking victim of a "pack" that doesn't want to allow you to speak, including me.

                            HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

                            Let's deal with fact, ok? You are the attacker. You are not a victim. You are the bad actor in this thread. You are not a victim. You are the one trolling others here. You are not a victim. You are the one who has chosen to lie and smear and engage dishonestly. You are not a victim.

                            Thank you for revealing yourself. I know that wasn't your intent, but it's appreciated anyway.

                            If Liberals hated America, we'd vote Republican.

                            by ord avg guy on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 02:09:40 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Since reading fundamental (0+ / 0-)

                            Allow me interject I am not a member of a "pack" I am a member of a "tribe" remember.

                            I'm a Saltine American

                            by LaEscapee on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 01:09:47 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Call it whatever you want. (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            duhban, howarddream

                            It doesn't erase the fact that you chose to attack others here and repeatedly engaged me dishonestly.

                            You're not a victim. Sorry. Thanks for playing.

                            If Liberals hated America, we'd vote Republican.

                            by ord avg guy on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 02:03:25 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I wish I had the time (0+ / 0-)

                            to sit around and play on the internet unfortunately I don't I actually have to earn my pennies.

                            Keep attempting to deny the fact that you made an underhanded insult that you thought no one would see, it's your M. O.

                            As I said before grow up, quit accusing others of what you practice and maybe you could gain respect of people that don't play the little blog games.

                            I'm a Saltine American

                            by LaEscapee on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 06:59:48 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  You can't quit with the dishonest smears, can you? (2+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            howarddream, doc2

                            Let's fact check your latest dishonest attack, shall we?

                            Keep attempting to deny the fact that you made an underhanded insult that you thought no one would see, it's your M. O.
                            1) It wasn't an underhanded insult by any stretch. It was a subjective observation about how a certain group/tribe/pack treated/treats a particular user (duhban) on this site compared to to the faux outrage expressed by the very same folks at how a real, self-identified zombie was being treated. HYPOCRISY!

                            2) "...thought no one would see...". HAHAHA I know that this is a public website. I understand that what I post here can be seen by others. You are the one who thinks you can lie and smear and attack and engage dishonestly without consequence. Sorry, you're wrong. You don't have special priviledges on this site to BAD, to lie and to smear. I know it would be great for you just to dishonestly shit all over others and get away with it, but it doesn't work that way here.

                            3) I long ago figured out that I could care less about "gaining the respect" of you and yours. I prefer the respect of people with integrity. I could care less about petty little attack dogs with serious integrity issues.

                            You are not a victim in this thread. You are the attacker and the liar. Show some integrity and own your words and actions. Be a "grown up".

                            And stop trying to smear me with your bullshit straw men, insults, lies and dickish behavior. M'kay?

                            If Liberals hated America, we'd vote Republican.

                            by ord avg guy on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 07:32:05 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

  •  Donuts for D0n't (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Fiddler On A Hot Tin Roof

    um, who are you and why should we care?

  •  who is this? Were you banned from this site (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    serendipityisabitch

    before?

  •  So you made up some fake names (0+ / 0-)

    and made gross, juvenile, sexist, terrible stuff , comments so that you could say its not you ?
    That's very clever , you abuse others and then claim the abuser is abusing you by abusing others ? Very inventive .
    Framing yourself for the crime and then being upset that you are framed and pointing out how awful people are framing you , you poor poor victim .

    thank God you guys never found my real name.
    How would you know ? Have you ever sent out a resume for a job ?

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

    by indycam on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:50:14 AM PDT

    •  From his twitter . (4+ / 5-)
      ...yes, I am the helpdesk troll,...

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

      by indycam on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:12:20 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  liar. (2+ / 2-)
        Recommended by:
        buddabelly, Neuroptimalian
        Hidden by:
        tytalus, chalatenango

        But whatever.

      •  I notice you didn't provide a link, because that (8+ / 0-)

        was not, repeat not, what is on his twitter site.

        At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

        by serendipityisabitch on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:57:21 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Are you "center-right" ? (0+ / 0-)
          DailyKos Banned User ‏@BannedByKos Mar 5

          seredipityisabitch calls Ray's diary a "troll diary", gets recs. #DailyKos DBAD rule doesn't apply to center-right. http://www.dailykos.com/...

          "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

          by indycam on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 11:05:23 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Oh, phooey, he missed an even better one (4+ / 0-)

            here.

            Am I center right? Ray certainly accused me of it often enough. Corporatist, defender of the status quo, conservative, nit-picking, insulting - you name it. With that as a baseline, big furry deal.

            But you flat-out lied about what he said, and you're trying to justify it by telling me that he didn't like me? Come on, now.

            At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

            by serendipityisabitch on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 11:21:25 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  "flat out lied" ? (0+ / 0-)

              I took something he said and did what he does to see if his claim was truthful or not .
              Turns out his when his game is played on him is doth protest much to much .
              Turns out when he is tested he fails .

              Are you "center right" ?
              Was that a truthful thing he said ?
              Or was it / is it a willful twisting ?

              Goose/Gander
              Reap/sow
              Turnabout

              "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

              by indycam on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 11:30:04 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

      •  Uprated in (probably vain) attempt ... (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        rduran, cville townie

        to prevent the (actual) truth (which follows in the thread) from being hidden.

        "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

        by Neuroptimalian on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:02:29 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Considering that all the people who are likely to (4+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Neuroptimalian, Brecht, rduran, JesseCW

          care are TUs anyway, and most of them are Hidden watchers, I don't think that will keep them from reading it,

          At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

          by serendipityisabitch on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:19:42 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  On the other hand, don't see a reason to (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            serendipityisabitch

            penalize indycam for this.

            •  Well, I think the way to go is to take a solid (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              rduran, JesseCW

              look at the problem, which right now is some idiot playing games with the Help Desk. At the very least, indycam's comment would have confused the situation if we hadn't known that it was totally incorrect. So, although I'm not inclined to HR, I'm also not inclined to give him a free pass.

              I don't really want to know what the causes of bad blood on the site are, and don't generally care, as long as they don't get in the way of it running as smoothly as possible. (Okay, that's not very, sometimes, but harassing the Help Desk should come off the list of allowable actions, imho.)

              At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

              by serendipityisabitch on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 03:16:59 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Newbie time (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                serendipityisabitch

                What's the Help Desk?

                •  Up at the very top right hand corner of the page (2+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  rduran, poco

                  is a link that says Help. Click it, and you enter into elfling's domain, where problems with signups, weird error messages, page hangups, mobile device glitches, spam, and a huge number of other things on the technical and administrative side can be addressed.

                  There has been some general resentment for a long time, since that is also the department responsible for implementing administration's decisions concerning banning, timeouts, etc.. This usually is confined to snide or sniping remarks in various diaries. Lately, however, someone seems to have been directly targeting that area with outrageous, and somewhat sophomoric posts.

                  Enough background to get you started?

                  At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

                  by serendipityisabitch on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 03:29:02 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

      •  HR'd. Truth-based community... (7+ / 0-)

        When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

        by PhilJD on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:05:57 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  For editing n/t (6+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Brecht, grover, psychodrew, PhilJD, poligirl, CenPhx

        I'm a Saltine American

        by LaEscapee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:13:39 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  HRed for lying to smear someone falsely accused (10+ / 0-)

        who's trying to defend himself. Aren't we a fact-based site?

        Whatever Hubbard Squash's failings, he has had multiple kossacks accuse him of much worse. This diary is intended to stop that, which is fair and reasonable.

        Indycam's malicious lie, twisting Hubbard Squash's words to attack him, is ugly.

        Neuroptimalian, uprating a lie just because it was made by a friend and follower of yours is petty bullshit.

        "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

        by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:14:20 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  The commenter is no "friend" (nor enemy), (0+ / 0-)

          as my uprate/HR history will confirm.  And I have no control over who follows whom ... or why.  I do, however, take the position that an outright lie should not be hidden ... especially in a "reality-based" community ... so the comment was uprated for that purpose (to hopefully help keep it from being hidden), nothing else.  At the time I uprated it, it had 2 HRs and no uprates and appeared to be the subject of a campaign to protect the commenter from the embarrassment of telling a lie so easily disproven.  That is all.

          "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

          by Neuroptimalian on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:52:18 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Then you're just making up rules opposite to DKos' (5+ / 0-)
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            Lies have always been HR-worthy.

            "At the time I uprated it, it had 2 HRs and no uprates and appeared to be the subject of a campaign to protect the commenter from the embarrassment of telling a lie so easily disproven."
            What a transparent defensive rationalization. Everyone who HRed that comment has explained, in direct replies to it, that they were HRing it for the opposite reason - because indycam should not be protected in malicious smears, whatever we think of his victim.

            "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

            by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 11:13:00 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  OK, you uprated the zombie's proof of not lying, (3+ / 0-)
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            too - so my "transparent defensive rationalization" was too harsh. You're still breaking the rules of DKos and logic, but you appear sincere.

            "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

            by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 01:02:14 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Agree that a commenter "should not be protected .. (1+ / 0-)
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              in malicious smears, whatever we think of his victim", however hiding a smear (in the form of an intentional and knowing lie) from the community at large serves only to protect the reputation of the commenter.  And his later doubling and tripling down, rather than retracting just made it worse.

              "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

              by Neuroptimalian on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 01:38:05 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

      •  Oh for crying out loud. (4+ / 0-)

        I'm sick of people HRing to defend a banned troll. Uprated.

        "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

        by raptavio on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:35:00 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  You're just helping turds float, raptavio. (12+ / 0-)

          That comment was a malicious smear. Rate the comment, not the commenter.

          As for this diarist, he'll be bojo soon enough. We're not defending a banned troll, we're defending fact-based discourse - and you're uprating obvious lies and smears.

          "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

          by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:57:34 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  No, if the commenter is breaking site rules (2+ / 0-)
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            by merely existing, the activity of commenting itself is HR'able...this is common sense.

            While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

            by GoGoGoEverton on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 11:14:09 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  You're mixing two issues. Indycam's lie is HRable: (11+ / 0-)

              we don't get to break the rules to attack people we don't like - anymore than we can lie about Ann Coulter or Ted Cruz. And kossacks who uprate this comment are uprating a lie/smear which should stay hidden.

              You're right, that we can HR a known zombie/sockpuppet's comments. But noone's arguing about that.

              "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

              by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 11:37:17 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Fair enough, I did miss the target (3+ / 0-)
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                of your comment at first. I'm not sure I ever HR a comment aimed at a banned zombie troll, but can see why it could be argued that it's not disallowed.

                While you dream of Utopia, we're here on Earth, getting things done.

                by GoGoGoEverton on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 11:42:38 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  No. Screw that. (2+ / 0-)
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                By giving the banned troll any quarter, any support, any help, we only encourage him to stick around and continue to cause trouble.

                Far as I'm concerned, the gloves should be off (apart, of course, from where actual law applies) when dealing with the turd. And by said turd's own admission, taunting him in such a manner will actually encourage him to stay gone.

                You think I'm wrong, appeal to the mods. I have a strong feeling they'll come down on anyone uprating the turd before they come down on anyone uprating someone taunting the turd.

                "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                by raptavio on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 12:29:06 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Truth-telling trumps troll-bashing. (11+ / 0-)

                  Don't uprate malicious lies, even against zombies.

                  You think I'm wrong, appeal to the mods. I have a strong feeling they'll come down on anyone uprating the turd before they come down on anyone uprating someone taunting the turd.
                  So, you did a bad thing, but you probably won't get in trouble for it because some other people did a worse thing?

                  "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

                  by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 12:41:21 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  That's uncharacteristically disingenuous (0+ / 0-)

                    of you, Brecht.

                    No -- it's not a bad thing to refuse to give any support to a troll. I made that clear. Don't twist my words. You should be better than that.

                    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                    by raptavio on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 12:57:18 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  I think you're reacting w. passion and prejudice, (9+ / 0-)

                      and you're failing to carefully read comments, follow arguments, and apply logic and rules to the case.  

                      "Oh for crying out loud. I'm sick of people . . ."

                      "No. Screw that. . . ."

                      I think it bugged you that people appeared to be defending Hubbard Squash, and your knee-jerk reaction was to go to battle. But if you read back through the entire thread, you'll see that several kossacks whose opinions you respect are seeing this mess in the same light that I am, and none of them are rash enough to uprate a lie just to win a petty point against a zombie who's already gone.

                      What I'm trying to do here is untwist your words, and expose to you that you're rationalizing something that, if you took the time to think about it, you know is wrong. Yes, this diarist is clearly a zombie, and has done more than his share of troublemaking. That's why only one kossack in here has sympathetic things to say about him. Many others just said: Rules are rules, and protect all of us equally.

                      When is it OK to uprate a lying smear, to bring it back out of the hidden comments? Never.

                      "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

                      by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 01:17:03 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Codswallop. (0+ / 0-)

                        You're not trying to untwist anything. You're trying to twist my words, to win the argument.

                        You can apply all the motives and accusations of prejudice you want to deflect from that, but here's the principle that I'm operating under, which is not yours:

                        When is it OK to support, defend, or assist a persistent, obsessive, known repeat troll? Never.

                        As long as he can continue to cause discord between the rest of us, he has motivation to continue his little one-man crusade. And you, sir, are enabling him.

                        And you're doing it by attacking me -- falsely, as it happens. And doubling down when called on it. Which is making me wonder if I have perhaps expected better of you than I ought have.

                        "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                        by raptavio on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 01:25:48 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  There is no Team Hubbard. (9+ / 0-)

                          You're trapped in a silly obsession, and projecting it onto everyone else.

                          "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

                          by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 01:36:54 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  And you continue (1+ / 0-)
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                            to attack me and your insulting assumptions of my motivations to win the argument, rather than stick to the facts.

                            That there is, in fact, a Team Hubbard is, in fact, not in question. That's been demonstrated, though to re-provide the evidence would break site rules, as they were broken when the evidence was initially presented.

                            But that is a side point -- as the motivations of the people HRing indycam are not relevant. They could be going after indycam because of personal animus, they could be defending Hubbard due to "team Hubbard" nonsense, or they could believe that even Hubbard should be protected from an obvious mocking taunt using some of Hubbard's own word-twisting tactics. Either way, the effect is going to be to incentivize Hubbard to continue his disruptive antics here. And I ain't down with that.

                            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                            by raptavio on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 01:43:56 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  All 4 HRers said they HRed indycam for lying. (8+ / 0-)

                            You've woven a whole thread here by stepping past the obvious, clearly stated explanations, and turning this into a personalized drama.

                            Rules are rules. You don't get to throw them out the window, and adjudicate everything through the spectacles of teamplay. Perhaps you've been pie-fighting too much, so you've lost track of simple distinctions between truth and lies, and melted morals and logic into a means-justifies-the-ends relativism.

                            I'm not assuming your motivations: you're stating them outright, and they're smaller than the "don't lie" rule. I don't think you're a bad person. You're just worked up today, and not making sense.

                            "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

                            by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 02:01:02 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I'm tired of this. (0+ / 0-)

                            You're continuing to double down on your misrepresentation, and I resent it. I expected better of you in the past; I will not make that mistake again.

                            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                            by raptavio on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 02:28:45 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  I think you got this one right (2+ / 0-)
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                            KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

                            by fcvaguy on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 02:04:15 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Of course you do. (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            poligirl

                            Your even-handed approach to "community moderation" is the double-standard by which all Trusted Users are measured, so it comes as no surprise you would concur with another bastion of impartial arbitration.




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:02:51 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                •  When a co-worker or some other acquaintance... (4+ / 0-)
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                  ...of yours asks you if you had a nice weekend, and how you spent it, you can say:

                  Oh, I had a blast! I taunted a turd and made it go away!
                  To which s/he might reply:
                  TMI, bro. TMI.




                  Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                  by DeadHead on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 01:01:35 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

        •  Side-stepping that whole argument: I'm sorry to be (6+ / 0-)

          trading aspersions and personal insults with you.

          The continual pie-fights on Daily Kos wear us all down, degrading communal trust and constructive conversation. It strengthens all of us, when people who strongly disagree can debate with each other in good-faith, trusting in each other's integrity. It has been constructive, in some pie-fights, that you and I could talk across the trenches to each other, and listen even in the middle of a battle. It would be a shame to jeopardize that trust.

          You and I are each inclined to get more colorful and pushy when engaged in lively argument. Clearly, we both think the other is completely off-base in this particular thread. But the diarist is bojoed, that particular comment will probably stay unhidden now - and I really don't think any points we might score are worth the animosity we're starting to fling at each other.

          I'm leaving this diary. May we meet again in a better one. Have a good day, raptavio.

          "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

          by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 02:13:32 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Too little. (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            doroma, ord avg guy

            Too late.

            "I'm sorry to be trading aspersions and personal insults with you" is not an apology. It's an accusation.

            Good day.

            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

            by raptavio on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 02:30:52 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  raptavio, you're being petty and unfair here. (7+ / 0-)

              When you see people rating incorrectly, you rag on them most days of the week, often with inflammatory language.

              Why on earth would you expect that, when you uprate a lie, you wouldn't get a taste of the same medicine?

              "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

              by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 02:43:06 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  I don't. (1+ / 0-)
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                But I also don't do passive-aggressive bullshit while maintaining any pretense of respect for the person to whom I'm speaking.

                If you're going to be inflammatory, be inflammatory. If you're going to be rational, be rational. I can respect either course of action if it's done honestly.

                But you -- you're deliberately being inflammatory while pretending to be rational. And you couple that with a nopology (which is one of my buttons; I find them contemptibly dishonest) and when called on it, fall back on the "Well, you're no better" defense.

                I'm really disappointed in you today, Brecht. It's not often where someone to whom I gave what I believed to be earned respect so spectacularly reminds me what a poor judge of character I can sometimes be. And that really bugs me. A lot.

                "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                by raptavio on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 03:57:16 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  What happened was, I engaged in scorched earth (4+ / 0-)
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                  bullying, because I felt you were failing at reading and thinking, and doubling down behind flimsy rationalizations. I knew you were better than that, and you must have seen all the kossacks upthread who disagreed with your half a point. But you pigheadedly brought a comment out of the hiddens, when the comment was clearly an HRable lie.

                  It's hard to find respect for such wrongheaded distortion on your part. I didn't intend to apologize in my "Side-stepping" comment, after you had poured so much density and disrespect into the original thread. I just sught higher ground.

                  You made a couple of comments which showed that you were taking my scorched earth tactics personally. Understandably, as I can get rather bulldozer, and it can feel overwhelming. So I collected myself and dialed down the aggression, because scoring points in the right margin is worth a lot less than remembering that we're human beings, Democrats, and kossacks, and at some fundamental levels we're all in it together.

                  I was bullying, and I'm sorry I got carried away, and got medieval on you. But there wasn't much gameplaying (beyond trying to score points and make you look dumb); I just forgot this was a debate and started fighting.

                  "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

                  by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:24:51 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Stop apologizing in the same post (1+ / 0-)
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                    you're doubling down on your personal attacks.

                    Just stop.

                    Do one, or the other. Doing both is just disgusting. I wonder if you even know what you're doing.

                    "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                    by raptavio on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:27:32 PM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  I keep explaining, but you don't want understand. (6+ / 0-)

                      It's not a character flaw that I'm nuanced, and capable of thinking and feeling on different levels at once. You're being a dick, but I know there's a mensch in there somewhere; so I'm a bit mad at you, but don't want you to be carrying hurt and resentment around.

                      It's unfair of you to say my kinder words are fake, and you only believe in your worst impressions of me, when you know me much better than that. I think you're caught up in your emotional convictions, and you're not taking in every word of my comments, trying to clarify the whole imbroglio here. So I'm wasting my time putting thought, energy and feeling into the hard work of rebuilding discourse.

                      I give up. You're only being a dick now. You're just hurting, and want to kick me again. Good bye.

                      "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

                      by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 04:49:34 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Apologies with qualifications (1+ / 0-)
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                        are never apologies.

                        "I'm sorry but" is not an apology.

                        "Im sorry if you..." is not an apology.

                        "Insult insult insult but I'm sorry I was mean" is definitely not an apology.

                        I find that such qualified apologies -- aka "nopologies" -- are for people who want to feel good that they were virtuous enough to offer an olive branch but still want to hold onto the belief that their actions were justified, i.e. cling to their pride.

                        Without regard to the preceding exchange, Brecht, nopologies directed to me always make me see red, and I always view them as insincere and manipulative.

                        And I make no apologies for that.

                        When I sincerely apologize to someone, it is in the form of something like, "I exercised poor judgment in that I allowed X emotion to get the better of me and I acted in Y manner which was wrong. I am sorry for that, and I will do better in future." I do not precede it with a statement of grievances against the person to whom I apologize, I do not follow it with anything to suggest that I wouldn't have erred had the person to whom I apologized had behaved better, and I don't in any way suggest that my poor choices were in whole or in part not my fault.

                        I recommend you learn this technique; you will be a better person for it.

                        And no, I'm not asking you to start with me. I have no desire to hear it. Consider it sincere advice.

                        "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                        by raptavio on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:12:34 PM PDT

                        [ Parent ]

                        •  Why should I apologize to someone acting dickish? (5+ / 0-)
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                          I came on pretty forceful, but you came on dense and pigheaded. You broke the rules by uprating a lie out of hiddens, and then applied a stand your ground method of arguing. We both doubled-down.

                          But you're the one who changed tack, and started in with hurt fee-fees, and shaming:

                          I'm tired of this. You're continuing to double down on your misrepresentation, and I resent it. I expected better of you in the past; I will not make that mistake again.
                          If there was passive-aggression in this debate, that line started it. What are you, my disappointed mother?

                          But you showed your feelings were hurt, so I pulled back and tried for a more humane rapprochement. And then you pull this bullshit where you're miss goody-two-shoes, and anything less than a blanket apology on my part is a big meanie.

                          You got your facts and values wrong from your first word in this debate, and you haven't proved a point yet. As best I can see, you crashed and burned and made a complete fool of yourself and - since you're not man enough to admit it - you're choosing to blame this all on me, for being mean and showing up the holes in your rationalizations.

                          Thanks for the lessons in etiquette and "being a better person", and blaming others for your mistakes.

                          "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

                          by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 05:52:40 PM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

                          •  quoth: (1+ / 0-)
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                            ord avg guy

                            "Why should I apologize to someone acting dickish?"

                            Excellent question.

                            Yet you seemed to present the appearance of trying to, no less than three times.

                            But thank you for making clear I was correct in viewing them as insincere nopologies -- you've admitted you believe you had no cause to apologize.

                            I so much prefer honest hostility to passive aggression.

                            But to answer that question? You apologize when you feel you've done wrong. Clearly, you don't. So, you shouldn't.

                            Like I said, though, the only feefees of mine that were distressed were those that remind me of my own naivete. You're not responsible for those. So no worries.

                            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                            by raptavio on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 06:04:38 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Humans are larger than binary right-or-wrong (4+ / 0-)
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                            DeadHead, CenPhx, TheMomCat, triv33

                            I was trying to take responsibility for my feeding the fight, while holding you accountable for your own instigation.

                            This subtlety short-circuited your mind. There's a side of you which loves the black-and-white of pie-fights, where it's OK to hate and attack your enemy, "for the greater good of DKos."

                            "Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth" Samuel Johnson

                            by Brecht on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 06:21:38 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Hm. (1+ / 0-)
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                            ord avg guy

                            You know --

                            In earnestness. I think we have a fundamental difference in philosophy.

                            Both in what's appropriate for community moderation, and what's important in human interaction.

                            I think we've talked the community moderation part to death, but the human interaction part --

                            For me, regardless of the circumstances which led to it, if I cross a line, and I decide I need to own up to it, I own up to it. For me to do anything else cheapens that.

                            Have you ever seen two kids fighting and getting busted and are told to apologize by a teacher or parent and one says, "Well, I'll apologize if he apologizes"?

                            Likewise, have you seen politicians lambasted in these very pages for doing or saying something ridiculously offensive and saying that he's sorry "if anyone was offended"?

                            Do you look at these things as acts of subtlety or as ham-fisted non-apologies?

                            To me, there's no subtlety to be had in continuing to press a fight while simultaneously apologizing for one's part in it. If I feel I erred, I drop the fight and apologize for what I did wrong, full stop. I've even done it on these pages, to people for whom I have no respect whatsoever. If I believe the other party crossed a line as well, it's on that party to decide he or she did so and to make amends according to his or her conscience. For me to try to 'hold them accountable' would be nothing more than false pride trying to make them wrong too, to force them to humble themselves in the same way. I also think it pretty much suspends my right to press the issue at hand.

                            You don't. You think an apology can be mixed in with continuing to press the issue, trying to force a returned apology, or even, it seems, continuing the very offense for which you're apologizing. That's anathema to me and my sense of ethics, and you can characterize the ethics as lacking in subtlety or my mind as being too simple to cope with such nuance if you like (I'm sure you know how I'd characterize such declarations, so I won't bother) but I consider it a matter of simple integrity.

                            "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                            by raptavio on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:31:26 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

                          •  Your sense of ethics? Integrity? (1+ / 0-)
                            Recommended by:
                            TheMomCat

                            This whole thing started because of your brand of ethics, situational, as it turns out, demonstrated by your uprate of the lie above.

                            And just yesterday, you uprated a comment that was pure shit-stirring — containing a direct insult, a blatant misrepresentation of a comment that was dragged in from another diary in order to perpetuate a grudge, because the comment was about someone you don't like — me.

                            And you have the nerve to demand others grovel for forgiveness with no strings attached?

                            I honestly don't know who you think you're fooling, Raptavio, and you do appear to be fooling a substantial number of people, but there are at least a few of us who see through your transparent, double-standard bullshit, and have for a long time, now.

                            And every time you get called on your shitty uprates, and there have been many, you immediately go into victim mode. Everyone suddenly owes YOU some kind of fucking public apology for hurting YOUR feelings.

                            Unreal.  




                            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

                            by DeadHead on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:53:43 PM PDT

                            [ Parent ]

      •  You're linking cuts from his twitter and trying (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        PhilJD, poligirl, CenPhx, triv33

        to imply you know his real name?

        So much for one set of fucking rules, right?

        It's all go though.  Authorized hunts and all.  

        Sometimes, the rules just don't apply.

      •  What the hell? (0+ / 0-)

        Do you enjoy lying to your audience?
        Nobody likes being hustled.

        I have no idea about what the hell is going on with this other meta-bullshit, but posting that kind of shit is flat-out insulting.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 01:57:27 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  1 Diary and Evidently Only 1 Comment Outside This (1+ / 0-)
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    wishingwell

    thread, on Jan 30.

    Can't tell what the problem was, maybe this is a previous member returned under a new id??

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:52:26 AM PDT

  •  *shrug* n/t (6+ / 0-)

    Come Christian Taliban, tally me vagina...

    by abbysomething on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:55:26 AM PDT

  •  While I have no idea who this is or what kind of (0+ / 0-)

    problem he is having, there's become a culture of entitlement here at the Kos.
    I have said it before and I say it here again. Your veracity is based on your membership number and some people only read or comment on certain Diarists.
    Read some of the comments directed at the diarist and show me where you have the right to attack the writer and ignore the diary, with nothing but "nt" at the end of your collective jabs.
    I could gain no information looking at the profile of the person who wrote the diary, but I learned nothing from others comments.
    I'm not just whistling in the dark here and I would like to see this site continue as a source of information and intelligent discourse, because it is drifting the other way.
    When I get my,"Daily Kos Recommended", sometimes I wince at old Diaries recycled with new headlines; that was a favorite of HuffPo and frankly, I expect Daily Kos to be head and shoulders above Huffington.

    "If you tell the truth, you won't have to remember anything", Mark Twain

    by Cruzankenny on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:57:57 AM PDT

    •  Hmmm (2+ / 0-)
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      Seeing as I'm the only one who posted an "n/t" at the end of my "comment", I guess that's aimed at me.  Placing "n/t" is pretty standard etiquette in a subject heading if there is no text within the comment box so that people who may not have the threads in expanded mode don't bother to open it.  

      If this diarist is truly so fed up then they could have simply left instead of writing a diary presenting their victim-hood, pretty much inviting the very people they were complaining about to come in and attack again.  Pointless.  So I stand by my shrug.

      Also, seeing as the diarist +1'd my comment after they supposedly were truly "done" and declaring that they were turning off the computer, well, that says something.  They're sticking around to see how mean everyone is going to be so they can play victim some more.  

      Look, I don't know what this is all about really. Maybe the diarist is really a troll.  Maybe they are being unfairly targeted.  I don't know, but this kind of diary isn't helping anything.  

      Come Christian Taliban, tally me vagina...

      by abbysomething on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:22:03 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm afraid I am caught being specific when I (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        geekydee

        should have been generalizing. I was referring to those who's comment, including yours, was only the subject line and went no further.
        I always have the right to leave Kos and for a period of 6 months I refrained from taking part. I will never publish a GBCW, but I will be gone.
        Even though I have a lifetime membership, I still donate to Kos because I believe liberals need a site to interact intellectually and politically. As far as I know, this is the last bastion of true liberal discourse. I don't want to see it go, so I see no reason in the world to celebrate someone leaving. I have witnessed more and more TTFN and other goodbyes lately than in the past.
        I have also noticed a cliquishness and sense of entitlement, rather than a sense of welcome.
        If there is going to be a celebration, I would appreciate knowing why and you can't do that in the subject line.

        "If you tell the truth, you won't have to remember anything", Mark Twain

        by Cruzankenny on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 09:01:45 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  That was me. I've replied to Cruz above. nt (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        terrybuck, poco

        At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

        by serendipityisabitch on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 09:02:05 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Some people get off on being the victim. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        emelyn

        "Woe is me, everyone is out to get me for no reason, I'm sooo persecuted, etc". The worst thing for such people is to be ignored; any attention, sympathetic or antagonistic, is feeding the disease.

  •  You claim to be a victim of insults and abuse (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    wilderness voice

    but yet you have only posted 5 comments and you just joined a couple of months ago.

    You said you are finally leaving Dkos.  But yet, you only posted a couple of comments and you just joined in January.  To say you are finally leaving, I thought you were here for a long while.  

    Your diary makes no sense as you are a newbie who posted 5 comments, yet you feel unfairly attacked. How would that be?  

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    by wishingwell on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 07:58:20 AM PDT

    •  Amazing! (0+ / 0-)
      Your diary makes no sense as you are a newbie who posted 5 comments, yet you feel unfairly attacked. How would that be?
       I'm not at all surprised at what some people will do get attention, acknowledgment, and the like. But I am amazed that few have called this whole diary what it is: An elaborate trolling exercise!

      Laughter, and not taking such a diary seriously, is one sure-fire cure what one might jokingly call attention deficit need. Worship the New Age holy trinity...

      Mirror, mirror on the wall
      Tell me mirror, what is wrong?
      Can it be my De La Clothes
      Or is it just my De La Soul?
      What I do ain't make-believe
      People say I sit and try
      But when it comes to being De La
      It's just me myself and I

      You meet them halfway with love, peace, and persuasion ~ And expect them to rise for the occasion...

      by paz3 on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 12:21:29 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  That's pretty funny (11+ / 0-)

    coming from someone who made dozens of zombie accounts just to troll this board.

    How can we miss you if you won't go away?
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    Your beliefs don't make you a better person. Your behavior does.

    by skohayes on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:11:16 AM PDT

  •  You take this place (6+ / 0-)

    WAY too seriously.
     

    This all started with "what the Republicans did to language".

    by lunachickie on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:36:13 AM PDT

    •  As a prank, it's pretty good (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Free Jazz at High Noon

      Managing to start the stupidest pie fight I have ever seen. That's got to count for something.

      L.O.L.

      (Reminds me of the old days on alt.flame)

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      by Pale Jenova on Tue Mar 25, 2014 at 09:03:23 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  This is either (5+ / 0-)

    performance art or someone with entirely too much free time.

    Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress. -Bender B. Rodriguez

    by democracy inaction on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 08:55:09 AM PDT

  •  I am confused about this whole thing (4+ / 0-)

    Whatever it is, its pretty sad someone would stoop to trolling the helpdesk.

  •  I Know You Not (0+ / 0-)

    To me you are a dead man walking.

    Self-regulation is not your thing, is it?

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    by Limelite on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:19:22 AM PDT

  •  Hey D0n't, I hear you (0+ / 0-)

    When you are called out for making a remark in the english language, using accepted english words, because "they" deem it "racist", "derogatory", and "offensive", then the problem is not you, it is the narrow mindedness coming through from others.  Good luck in your future endeavors.  Ands this is why I have been drifting away from DKos for a while now.  

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    by geekydee on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:37:37 AM PDT

  •  Zombie: (3+ / 0-)
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    serendipityisabitch, kalmoth, Ahianne
    Ingredients:

        1 ounce light rum
        1 ounce dark rum
        1 ounce 151-proof dark rum (optional)
        1 ounce orange curacao liqueur
        1/2 ounce lemon juice
        1/2 ounce lime juice
        1 1/2 ounces orange juice
        1 1/2 ounces passion fruit puree (or syrup)
        1/4 ounce grenadine
        2 dashes Angostura bitters

    Preparation:

        Pour the ingredients into a cocktail shaker with ice.
        Shake well.
        Strain into a highball glass with crushed ice.
        Optionally, float the high-proof rum on top of the finished drink.

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    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:45:32 AM PDT

  •  A nugget of truth inside the diary. (11+ / 0-)
    What's even sadder is that most of you are older than me! You raise kids and grandkids! Sit on schoolboards and city councils! You teach college classes, you're nurses and lawyers! You're running this fucking country. You're supposed to lead by example. And this is how you act. Like seventh graders. Holy fucking Christ.
     And I reached this conclusion after reading through the entire comment thread. 7th grade may be pushing it.

    "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves." Edward R. Murrow

    by temptxan on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:55:20 AM PDT

  •  All part and parcel of the shittiest (4+ / 0-)

    …community moderation system that ever existed on the Internet.

    Turns people into shameful things.

  •  Take care B&E. (4+ / 0-)

    I've always thought you had too fine a mind to waste on this zombie stuff.

    I hope you land somewhere that you're able to write, where you finally are willing to put all this behind you.

    I've never quite understood what kept drawing you back here, or why other regular users hunted you so vigorously. I hope that someday soon, I can look for the Twitter account that was linked to above and it's been renamed (if that's possible?) or you've sent your followers to a brand new Twitter account that has nothing to do with daily kos.  I'd be glad to follow your writing there.

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 10:59:36 AM PDT

  •  Glad you're finally moving on. (8+ / 0-)

    I can call off my massive team of zombie hunter weathersquads that spend 24/7 searching for your every incarnation on this glorious site.

    (It's not true, but you've always blamed the "#weathersquad" for your problems, so I might as well run with it.)

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    If you say "gullible" real slow, it sounds like "green beans."

    by weatherdude on Sun Mar 23, 2014 at 12:04:38 PM PDT

  •  Why do you still fester here? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    GoGoGoEverton, doroma

    Einstein Brings it to teh Trolls

    Banned again, but, srsly, why?

    Running out of bridges to burn?

  •  worst comments ever (0+ / 0-)

    You're all (mostly) dicks.
    Which is not to say that the moderation here is anything other than pathetic.

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

    by Karl Rover on Mon Mar 24, 2014 at 10:02:37 PM PDT

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