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I know Pierce Morgan can be a controversial fellow here, and we also have differences of opinions about gun control. I don't want to stir anything up on a calm Saturday,{Update:Sunday changed to Saturday} morning when I'm trying to stay on my diet, but I couldn't help noticing this article Piers Morgan Delivers One Final Blow To Gun Violence In Last Show. Whether you like him or not, you have to give Morgan credit for maintaining the courage of his convictions against a lot of criticism for expressing his horror and disbelief that Americans are willing to let ourselves be victims of so much gun violence without responding with greater efforts to protect ourselves with gun control legislation.

Piers praises the U.S. as "a land of true opportunity," and says "The vast majority of Americans I've met are decent, hardworking, thoroughly dependable people," so we know we're about to get blasted for something.

Piers notes that 100,000 Americans per year are hit by gunfire.

Morgan expressed frustration with reaction to the Aurora, Colo., theater shooting and the Newtown, Conn., school shooting: "I assumed that after 70 people were shot in a movie theater and then just a few months later 20 first-graders were murdered with an assault rifle in an elementary school, that the absurd gun laws in this country would change, but nothing has happened." He added: "The gun lobby in America, led by the NRA, has bullied this nation's politicians into cowardly silence. Even when 20 young children are blown away in their classrooms. ...

Morgan argued Friday night: "More guns doesn't mean less crime, as the NRA repeatedly tries to tell you. It means more gun violence, more death and more profits for the gun manufacturers."

He concluded, "Now it's down to you. It is your country. These are your gun laws. And the senseless slaughter will only end when enough Americans stand together and cry, 'Enough!' I look forward to that day. I also look forward to seeing you all again soon. Thank you. And God bless America. Oh, and while I'm at it, God bless Great Britain too. Good night."

The author of this article asserts that a study published in the American Journal of Public Health found states with more guns had "higher rates of gun-related murders."

I know we have a 2nd Amendment, but we also have a 4th Amendment that we have  pretty much given up. It seems to me that we should have reasonable controls on assault weapons, high capacity and high velocity magazines, and licensing, but I don't want to get into arguments about whether these things are already banned, or into details I do not have sufficient understanding of to make intelligent comments about. I am not a hunter and do not own any guns.

I do have dreams of self-sufficiency and dream of one day owning hundreds of acres in the wilderness where I go off grid, with solar power, gardens, with a Mahatma Gandhian-like self-sufficiency, I might have bows and arrows and spears and hunt wild game, like possums, for "viddles" like the grandma on the Beverly Hillbillies. So I do not have any moral issues with hunting.

Right now I have a splitting headache, am starving, have a long list of chores to do, and have had too much controversy, and mindless bickering, with my S.O. these last few days to get involved with any intense debates, so I will invite others to have as much discussion as you like. If I could ask some of my friends to help moderate these comments I would be greatly appreciative.  I'll be working on several other posts that are more in my areas of expertise, and will drop in occasionally to see how you all are doing. - Cheers.  

9:19 AM PT: I had to correct some extra and missing words as I unintentionally posted this prematurely, while being constantly harangued and emotional abused  by someone who needs to urgently get her meds checked but will not. Sorry for any error. The only way I've found I can maintain my sanity and avoid my usual compensating eating binges is to obsessively focus on writing so you may notice a few more posts and comments from me this today and this week. Sorry if the quality is uneven, or I show any signs of emotional lability, or snappiness.

11:24 AM PT: Changed "calm Sunday morning" to "calm Saturday morning" for those of you still on the other side of the international date line, and in the interest of maintaining peace. Sheesh, I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition! Heck, You guys are so picky. You people don't know where I am. So it has to be the date where you are and not where I am, is that how it is? I could be on the international Space Station as far as you know. I could be using a different calender you ethnocentric complainers. What about diversity?

I already told you I'm having a bad day, a migraine, a week long of unjust harranging from my S.O., and lots of other problems, but do you have any sympathy? No! You bust my chops over every little thing. Well I've had just about enough of this, I can tell you that right now.

On a lighter note, what do you think about this poll? Does it reflect choices everyone can choose largely expressing your view? I hate those kinds of slanted polls that only give one choices constrained by the writers bias, so I put extra effort into attempting to understand everyone's point of view, and give them choices they are comfortable with, even if I disagree with them, and even if they are in different time zones, are are experiencing alternative days, or realities.

If you don't see a choice you feel comfortable with, please write in, or comment, and I will include it in a future poll.  Also, I believe having a more accurate understanding and explicit depiction of reality, as viewed by other people makes us more effective communicators and agents of progressive change. .... Because that's the kind of HoundDog I am. That's the way I roll. Woof, woof!

Originally posted to HoundDog on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 09:08 AM PDT.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA and Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA).


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  •  remember to do some deep panting.. (6+ / 0-)

    outside if possible...
    oh and a run (doggies need their exercise)

    and... me thinks you're a day ahead of yourself
    it's not sunday yet ;-)

    every adult is responsible for every child

    by ridemybike on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 10:02:39 AM PDT

  •  well (4+ / 0-)
    I don't want to stir anything up on a calm Sunday morning
    but by expressing
    horror and disbelief that Americans are willing to let ourselves be victims of so much gun violence without responding with greater efforts to protect ourselves
    you will.
    Cue the local "gun enthusiasts"  3...2...1...
    •  Woops, Hey how do you know I'm not in Guam right (0+ / 0-)

      next to the international date line.

      Sheesh, I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisititon!

      I told you I'm having a bad day. I'm having a migraine and a possible bad reaction to a new medicine my doc just gave me.

      Like that Mick Jagger Song, "Like a spike right threw my head!)

      "Seriously, Folks, WTH?" - ("What the Heck? "h/t Joan McCarter, Seriously, Florida. WTF?)

      by HoundDog on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 11:13:23 AM PDT

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  •  thanks for posting Morgan's words (8+ / 0-)

    He's right on about gun control. The sad part is so is a majority of the country. There's so many reasons the majority can't rule here, from the NRA's money dominance (hopefully Bloomberg can challenge that) to the Senate's composition (2/3 of the states are gun states) to the House's gerrymandering (Republican majority seats even though Democrats had a majority of votes). The system thwarts the will of the people.

    •  Good thing there are elections. (5+ / 0-)

      Bloomberg & his allies spent way more money in Colorado, but he still lost.

      "2/3 of the states are gun states"
      Essentially everything but the coasts & their opinions count less than your own?

      Do you really mean 'will of the people', or do you mean 'the will of you'?

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 02:03:06 PM PDT

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      •  88% of the people wanted universal background (2+ / 0-)
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        Sandino, Glen The Plumber

        checks. 58% of the people support the assault weapons ban. The Republicans, the NRA, and a few red state Democrats killed both. That's the definition of "thwarting the will of the people."

        As for the opinions of people in the red states counting less? Yeah, exactly, because there's less of them. 88% and 58%. Again, the definition of thwarting the will of the people. The minority are stopping gun control because of red-state Senate domination (30 of 50 states, though less than 50% of the population) and ridiculous gerrymandering.

        •  And only 24% trust the government to implement (0+ / 0-)

          gun control fairly (vs 62% that do not).
          Only 19% think stricter gun control would do the most to stop mass murders, with 57% believing that more mental health care would do the most.

          The will of the people happens in the election booth. A place that gun controllers do horrendously in.

          "opinions of people in the red states counting less"
          Gun Control makes states more red. Like they did in the humiliating & unprecedented elections in Colorado.

          Results are for winners.
          Excuses are for losers.

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Sun Mar 30, 2014 at 12:28:22 AM PDT

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  •  86% of the country wants background checks (13+ / 0-)

    yet it couldn't get past a Senate filibuster, much less get to the House.  Even when Dems held House and a MOC was grievously wounded by a mass shooter, gun legislation got no traction.  A tiny minority backed by a powerful lobby that is generously funded by gun manufacturers has a bloc of Senate Dems running away in terror from a highly qualified nominee for Surgeon General.

    I appreciated Morgan's forthrightness on this issue, and I wish that he had kept his job.  

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 10:24:22 AM PDT

    •  I wish you'd keep him (2+ / 0-)
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      FrankRose, HoundDog

      in the US - not missed here in the UK

    •  It would have lost in the House. (3+ / 0-)

      If the people supported the plan set forth by Pres Obama, then why was it candidates that supported a magazine ban that were recalled & not those that didn't support B/Cs?

      If it were only a 'tiny minority', then why is it that many candidates that are supporters of gun control has decided to remove the mere mention of gun control from their own websites? Why is it that Pierce Morgan has become the 2014 version of 1994's Rosie O'Donnell?

      If it was a 'powerful lobby', then why is it that the gun control groups outspent the pro-gun rights groups by nearly a 6-to-1 margin?

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 02:10:03 PM PDT

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    •  100% of the country has background checks (3+ / 0-)

      Every gun begins it's existence in a manufacturing plant.

      I don't know of any manufacturer that will ship to a gun shoppe that isn't registered with the federal government - called a Federal Firearms License holder or  FFL for short.

      FFL's are required to do a background check 100% of the time. There is no exemption for if they are at a gun show, or at a car show, or anything.

      Part of why support for additional background check legislation died off is that people began to understand that all guns travel through a supply chain channel that already mandates background checks.

      And after that, some simple truths were being told that showed the typically given reason for federal legislation to be largely manipulative half-lies. Taking connecticut (pdf) for example - The atf shows pistols are recovered more than twice as many times as rifles (page 4).
      Furthermore, the caliber of gun used in newtown doesn't even show up on the chart even for the year that sandy hook happened (page 5).
      The claim that federal legislation is required in order to protect connecticut from slacker laws in other states is shown to be a falsehood when more than half of the guns traced in connecticut were found to have come from right there in connecticut (page 7).
      The idea that waiting periods would help is shown to be the concoction of a simpleton mind when time-to-crime is noted as being over 11 years for the national average and over 12 years for the connecticut average (page 8). Time to crime is the time from purchase to time of crime event.

      These real-world facts undermine the emotion-based claims made by the gun control lobby. When handed facts, people realize that they have been getting spoonfed an agenda - and people do NOT like being manipulated like that. If feels like a con artist has been working on them.

  •  Tipped & rec'ed HD (6+ / 0-)

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 10:24:38 AM PDT

  •  Wish him luck in his future endeavors n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." —Twain, Mark

    by not4morewars on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 11:18:37 AM PDT

  •  hey HD, this might cheer you up (1+ / 0-)
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    your new ERA is 0.267

    Earned Recommended Average.

    You've got me beat by a country-mile:  0.192

    whimper, whimper.

    WTG dude, that is an impressive body of significant work.

    many great thanks to you ... (and your long-suffering S.O.)

    Sooner or later were going to have to: Trade in those Carbon Footprints ...

    by jamess on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 11:27:15 AM PDT

    •  What is the Earned Recommended Average? (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm not familiar with this?

      If this is the fraction of posts that get recommended I'm surprised because the best trick in the book I learned from you Jamess.

      I kept wondering why does "poor" Jamess keep posting so late at night when no one is up? A couple times I staid up late just so I could rec your post because I was worried you would feel lonely.

      Then just out of boredom I posted a couple that late and realized the rec board is so "soft" by that time one can often pick up a rec'd post for 7 to 10 recs. Heck, if they all come in at the same time I've seen the OND gang get on the REC board with 2 simultaneous rec the second the post goes up.  And, I'm sure they've figured this out. They (Well, I'm sort of the poor cousin. I'm part of the group but not one of the posters cuz I''ve only been here 9 and 1/2 years and only have 36,000 or 38,000 recs, I suspect when I get to 60,000, I might get let into the next level. Unless they learn I'm revealing the secret knowledge.)

      Anyhow, they all know the OND post goes up about midnight, and 10 of them will all rec within about 10 minutes which that late virtually is a certain ticket to the rec board. Because all those posts from the afternoon that hav 262 from Joan McCarter have depreciated to zero but are  just sitting there because they all went home at five for dinner.

      Another trick I've learned is that if I've got that right kind of post with broad interest like the Alzheimer article, the antibiotic resistant root worms that are eating Iowa, virtually anything on solar energy, and I post around 4:00 pm EST, the 9-5 crowd are already packing the desks and watching their clock to get out, including apparently some of the Front Pagers so I pick up a little burst of the those in the daytime crowd who can sneak a peak from work. But, then the East Coast folks who can't check their computers at work come home and do a quick look and there I am on the Rec board, so I can pick up a quick 100 in a few hours, which is usually enough to keep me in the Rec window until the next text morning which takes me all the way around the globe.

      75% of my 200 plus post have used this formula. Most of the others catch the morning wave when the board is also really weak and all the fresh newspaper articles are fresh for the picking.

      Sadly, this audience is really squemish about all lot of important topic I like but they will not touch. I sometimes have to bite my lip and remind myself that to stay in this game her I've already made the choice to place mojo over my principles and values so there's no use whining about it. (snark alert.)

      cheers jamess.  

      "Seriously, Folks, WTH?" - ("What the Heck? "h/t Joan McCarter, Seriously, Florida. WTF?)

      by HoundDog on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 03:48:43 PM PDT

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      •  ERA (2+ / 0-)

        is a stat I created to keep posting interesting/challenging.

        (follow my link above, for more info.)

        regarding the "deep secret" knowledge,

        I reversed engineered it once, but then they went and changed to give more weight to the comments,

        SO I'm not so sure about it anymore.

        But the key thing is "How Many Minutes since Something was Posted,"

        The longer that is, the more Recs & Tips (and now Comments) you need to stay afloat on the List.

        And conversely, if you're trying to Make the List,
        you need to "bump" another post "off the list" -- most likely one that's been there a long while already, and is fading fast.

        The old algorithm went something like this (can't find the xls, now):

        ( (#Recs *2) +  (#Tips) )
        --------------------------          = RecList Worthiness Score
        (#Minutes elapsed since posting)

        So take your OND example:

        7r * 2 +  7t
        -----------   =   4.2 Score
          5 minutes

        Compare that to post that has been on the list for 2 hours, but is fading fast:

        100r * 2 +  120t
        -------------------   =   2.7 Score
          120 minutes

        The result is the first Score "bumps" the second Score from the RecList, at least momentarily.  Sometimes a Horserace develops too with the Scores trading places, as the minutes keep ticking, and the Scores keep updating.

        Now imagine that horserace with 12 competing posts, and the Number of Comments also factoring in somehow (in denominator most likely) -- and you get the idea.

        The main "trick" about late at nite posting (or early in morning) -- is that a lot of the "horses" on the List, "are tired" and are primed to be bumped from their lanes.

        Thing is, your Audience is often lacking at those times too.
        So it can be difficult to get that quick "critical mass" of 7 to 10, in a short enough window, to win, place, or show ...

        to rate a Rec-worthy Score.  one higher than those already there.

        Note:  these are just my observations only, my "rule of thumb" -- and are based on my own sampling analysis, and in no way represent what the Official Dkos Scoring Algorithm actually is, either then or now.  It is supposedly kept under Lock and Key, in order to prevent hackers from gaming the system, etc.

        PS.  I had a post make the list once, with only 5 recs, in about 2 minutes.  With no comments.  

        10 + 5
        -------   =  7.5                  you gotta love it!

        I hope this helps you in some small way HD.

        Sooner or later were going to have to: Trade in those Carbon Footprints ...

        by jamess on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 04:52:23 PM PDT

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  •  I Voted "Yes, Much Stronger" (4+ / 0-)
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    TheFern, HoundDog, eeff, OldDragon

    Hate to say it, but given the current trend of a major rampage killing every 4-5 months, we're due for another one.

    and the deadbeats in congress will continue to do NOTHING.

    "We are beyond law, which is not unusual for an empire; unfortunately, we are also beyond common sense." Gore Vidal

    by Superpole on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 12:10:16 PM PDT

  •   From the bottom of our hearts (6+ / 0-)

    we are disposed to exclaim

    "Good riddance to bad rubbish."

    Who is mighty ? One who turns an enemy into a friend !

    by OMwordTHRUdaFOG on Sat Mar 29, 2014 at 02:03:50 PM PDT

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