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Bill Piper
, Director of Drug Policy Alliance's Office of National Affairs. declares DEA Chief Michele Leonhart Should Resign and I agree. If she doesn't, President Obama should demand she leave as she is constantly and publicly undermining both the President's and Attorney General Eric Holder's announced policies by opposing bipartisan drug sentencing reform and having the DEA continue to arrest growers and medical marijuana dispensaries in states that have legalized it.

For months Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart has openly rebuked the drug policy reform policies of Attorney General Eric Holder and President Obama with one embarrassing statement after another. Now she is picking a fight with Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Y) and other members of Congress over hemp. Meanwhile the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General has launched an investigation into multiple scandals plaguing the agency. It is clear that Leonhart lacks the ability to lead and should resign. Activists are using the Twitter hashtag #FireLeonhart.

The DEA created a political firestorm this week when it seized seeds bound for a Kentucky hemp research program that was approved by Congress. Even Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) has weighed in, telling Politico last night, "It is an outrage that DEA is using finite taxpayer dollars to impound legal industrial hemp seeds."

Earlier this month the Department of Justice's Office of the Inspector General launched investigations into numerous DEA scandals, including the massacre of civilians in Honduras, the use of NSA data to both spy on virtually all Americans and to systematically fabricate evidence, controversial uses of confidential informants, airline passenger searches, and sexual misconduct. DEA Administrator Michele Leonhart herself has been at the center of several scandals, including the House of Death scandal in which the DEA may have turned a blind eye to torture and murder, and the Andrew Chambers scandal, in which the DEA rehired a confidential informant with a history of lying.

This miserable DEA Czar continues to put people in jail for operating  legal dispensaries in states that have legalized marijuana, seizing their assets, destroying their lives, making Democrats and President Obama look ridiculous, and driving many young people to look at that whacko Senator Rand Paul, who is "harshing our mellow," and  "drinking our milkshake" with this crowd.

Michele Leonhart publicly rebuked President Obama for admitting that marijuana is as safe as alcohol. WTH? Why does President Obama tolerate this? Leonhart was a mistaken holdover from the Bush administration and is a "cold-warrior of the "war on drugs."

She has also been aggressively obstructing scientific research, so research scientists can not get permits for medical grade marijuana. She has unilateral blocked recommendations for alternative suppliers by the DEA's Administrative Law Judge, as well as blocked efforts to move marijuana off of the Schedule 1 list, as nearly all scientist and doctors recommend, that is preventing current research.

Many members of Congress and more than 120 groups from ""across the political spectrum" have called on Leonhart to resign, including  "the ACLU, Witness for Peace, the Drug Policy Alliance, and the International Drug Policy Consortium."

Most people think our nation has taken a more relaxed and sane posture towards illegal drugs and marijuana use, but I am told that over 750,000 American were arrested for marijuana related offenses last year, which tremendously damages their career prospects. Marijuana may be relatively harmless, but getting arrested for it can be tremendously damaging to your life and family, especially if you are a person of color, or a minority. Our drug laws are racist, and Michele Leonhart is the primary person aggressively fighting against progress.

Please let President Obama know we want progress now, and demand the resignation of Michele Leonhart

#FireLeonhart

8:06 PM PT:

Let's all chant together!





Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!
Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go!
Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!
Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!
Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go!
Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!
Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!
Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go!
Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!
Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!
Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go!
Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!

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8:23 PM PT: Thanks to Notreadytobenice for this link to the petition at www.change.org

Petitioning President Barack Obama - Fire Anti-Marijuana DEA Administrator Michele Leonhart!


9:24 PM PT: Thanks to greenbird and catte nappe for editing advice.

Originally posted to HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 02:50 PM PDT.

Also republished by DKos Cannabis Law and Drug War Reform.

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    by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 02:50:55 PM PDT

  •  ? possible to edit opening sentence ? (15+ / 0-)

    usually it's no biggie, but ... ya lost me this time, pup.

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    by greenbird on Fri May 16, 2014 at 02:58:39 PM PDT

    •  Done, Thanks greenbird. I changed calls to (27+ / 0-)

      declares to have a stronger verb but once declare was in my mind the "calls" disappeared. Thanks greenbird. Is there anything else?

      Anything at all. A comma, lack of parallel structure, dangling participle?

      I hate it when I dangle my participles in public and no one tells me.

      woof, woof,

      Hey, the heart worked this time. My keyboard if failing. I tried to put a heart in the comment of where I organized you poem in the other post, put I couldn't get alt 3 to work. Now it works find.

      Thanks again greenbrid. I don't know what I'd do without you. .

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      by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 03:07:50 PM PDT

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      •  Well, if you're soliciting input... (15+ / 0-)

        Who's Bill Piper? (I know now, but not all readers will know, or look it up).

        “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

        by Catte Nappe on Fri May 16, 2014 at 04:02:11 PM PDT

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        •  Good point Catte Nappe. Let me hereby make a (16+ / 0-)

          blanket solicitation for input for all time. I appreciate all suggestions. One reason I'm doing all this writing here is to learn as much as I can.

          Do you think it better to identify Pipers creds at the bottom or up front in a phrase?

          I guess he bottom is probably better because "hook" should be as clean, simple, and direct as possible to get the reader into the subject," right? Or, would that be more likely to read it and find it interesting if they knew he was the Director of the Drug Policy Center?

          I wish we had some kind of weekly seminar were some of you folks who know a lot about how to write could take examples of posts and show us how we could improve them.

          I'd volunteer any of mine as fodder if any proffers or writing experts once to lead such an effort. I'm probably not the only one who would find such a workshop useful and fun.

          Maybe like 2:00 pm Saturdays for 1 hours. or something. A few post from the last month, Or all time best of the year could be scheduled from the previous week so everyone could read them, and maybe mark hem up in read editing marks, and post them some were we could scan and talk about in the workshop?

          Thanks Catte I'll put something up someplace.

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          by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 04:23:02 PM PDT

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          •  I think normal usage would be 'up front' (18+ / 0-)

            Something like "Bill Piper (Director of The Drug Policy Center)..." with the name of the organization being a link to their site.  If you wait to the end the reader is left with "Bill Piper says..." and a long read ahead to answer the question "who the H is Piper and why does his opinion need my attention?"

            As to your overall effort to improve your writing - good for you. You've been doing some dynamite stuff as it is, so can only get better. If you look at my little diary list you can see I'm neither expert nor prolific in that regard.

            “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

            by Catte Nappe on Fri May 16, 2014 at 04:39:50 PM PDT

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            •  Well his name fits the title (4+ / 0-)

              Lol

              Obama is the most progressive president in my lifetime.

              by freakofsociety on Fri May 16, 2014 at 06:35:08 PM PDT

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            •  Hey I like your idea of putting a link to his site (5+ / 0-)

              in it. I'm glad  I came back and looked, I was researching and writing an overview of four articles to update folks on the Nigeria situation and had to read about 15 to select those four.

              This stuff all takes time. Even just formatting the simple standard way I do it takes time. I like to honor the authos, publication and artitcle title fully spelled out in the text rather than just buried under and orange color.

              It seems like the least we can do if we are taking three paragraphs of their writing. I've been working to better transcend my own ego, but I still appreciate it when people offer a h/t if they are using my writing.

              Also, some folks don't realize there are still a fair number of people who have material printed out for them for flying on airplanes and stuff, or going on camping trips or archive.

              Maybe less so these days. But when I was a CEO of a corporation and was flying around a lot, My admin would print out 50 or so articles for me to read while in transit.

              What some folks don't seem to realize is that in black and white a lot of this embedded orange referencing looks ligke plaguerism. Maybe I'm just old fashion but I find it painfully hard to do.

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              by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 06:37:57 PM PDT

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          •  up front, definitely (11+ / 0-)

            Don't sweat the details, HD, your writing is fine. You're not writing for the NYT. I'd much rather read an article with something real to say despite some minor grammatical/stylistic mistakes than a highly polished inverted pyramid-style piece that's superficial or misleading.

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            by nota bene on Fri May 16, 2014 at 04:51:42 PM PDT

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            •  Thanks nota bene. Its sort of a personal quest for (4+ / 0-)

              me. If one makes to many of these kinds of errors, many people assume you are dumb or uneducated.

              So like Rodney Dangerfield, I'm tired of "getting no respect in this joint!"

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              by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 06:40:14 PM PDT

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          •  I would appreciate more supporting links (13+ / 0-)

            to statements of fact - in this particular case, "including the massacre of civilians in Honduras" really caught my eye.

            The reason being, while I was in Honduras the time before last, everyone was talking about a massacre of women and children in a lagoon in La Mosquitia - apparently the DEA had interdicted a shipment, the smugglers dumped the cargo overboard, the local civilians, mostly women and children, were gathering up the bales, and a DEA helicopter gunship opened fire on them. As a result, La Mosquitia was in open rebellion at the time, government buildings were being torched, etc. We had planned on operating a medical clinic there ( we were a couple hours down the coast) but were strongly "advised" against it by the local authorities. Later we were told it wasn't permitted to go there anyway; we never would have been allowed past the roadblocks if we had tried.

            The reason this note caught my eye was that on our return, I contacted several major newspapers and tried to get them interested in the story, with absolutely zero response. From then until now, this is the very first I have heard of the DEA massacring civilians in Honduras. Where did this come from? Do you have a link?

            I always like to see supporting links for statements and claims made in diaries here. I often follow them. But this one is of particular interest to me.

            •  he embedded it (5+ / 0-)

              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

              in the first paragraph, when it's dark orange.

              You were there?  Say more?

              plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

              by anna shane on Fri May 16, 2014 at 05:23:24 PM PDT

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              •  Thank you. That link (11+ / 0-)

                does include this link referring to killings in La Moskitia.

                On one hand, the date is right, making me think this is the same incident. On the other hand, Ahuas is a good ten kilometers from any lagoon, far for La Moskitia, and the letter states only four were killed, all innocent of any drug involvement. The facts as stated by Representative Johnson differ wildly from the story I heard at the time.

                On the other hand, I have no direct, personal knowledge, just the rumors that traveled forty miles away - think the game of "telephone".  The single road, which approaches but does not reach the area, and numerous military roadblocks prevented any inquiry into the actual truth, even for local residents. The stories I heard may have been greatly exaggerated.

                Or not. But I do appreciate that Representative Johnston and 57 colleges were concerned enough to call for an investigation to discover the truth.

                An investigation which, of course, never took place.

            •  Fuck the DEA (22+ / 0-)

              That's obscene.

              The DEA has no business shooting at anyone in Honduras. WTF are they doing there?

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              by FishOutofWater on Fri May 16, 2014 at 05:32:24 PM PDT

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            •  Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely (8+ / 0-)

              One reason for reforming our excessively harsh drug laws is the corruption that is causes to ourselves.

              This does not surprise me at all. Yes, the link is there as Anna Shane points out. I always provide links for all blockquots.

              Before every block quite I use you will nearly always find first the name of the author which I will also bold, then you will find the name of the publication it is from which will be in both bold and italicized, then the original title of the article in orange. will be an active link to the original article the block quote is taken from.

              I will usually do my best to put in some connecting words that do the best that I can to string together the closest think to a readable sentence out of the three but tI will not change the correct tittle of the article to match tenses or case mismatches, so that if someone else is using it as a reference it will be academically correct as a footnote, even it is printed out in black and white and stored in an archive for 40 years which I often do.

              I have some of my fathers old edition books from 300 years ago. I have no idea what website, operating systems, clouds, hard disks, electrical voltages, etc. will be around in 300 years.  

              Just consider it one of my personal quirks which I can not help. And then remember diversity is good and as liberals we all love and appreciate diversity and it is not just limited to race, religion, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, gendger identify, gender affectation, gender expression, age, weight, etc, but should also include species, referencing and achiving styles, and preferences, as well as varying abilities for brevity.

              We all contribute something in our own quirky ways, Even those of us who are a minority of one.

              Sorry to hear about this massecre. I will look it up tomorrow. I intend to keep writing about this aweful DEa Czar until she is gone.

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              by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 06:56:21 PM PDT

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              •  I didn't see the opening link as being connected (3+ / 0-)

                to the blockquote. Possibly because I didn't even notice that it was a blockquote - other than a slight indentation, somewhat hidden by the formatting due to the photo, nothing on my screen indicates a blockquote, be it due to poor contrast or poor eyesight.

                Once Anna Shane pointed it out, I did see the connection, the indentation, and the ever-so-faint lack of shading. Or is it shading? It switches back and forth as I look at it.

                My bad.

                •  No problem ypochris. I didn't any of this any a (3+ / 0-)

                  harsh way. Sorry if I seemed to be giving a critical lecture. I just have a sort of compulsion for detail. Sort of like that Monk character on TV.

                  I appreciated the opportunity to explain my system.

                  My father was an intellectual aloof kind of person who was away on an aircraft carrier the first two years of my life and then again when I was 3 to 4. So he was sort of a mystery. He didn't express emotion, but the way I could tell he loved me is when I went down to his combination bedroom office he would put down his computer work and give me his full undivided attention.

                  Any question I would ask he would proceed to answer usually taking approximately 1 to 2 hours for the first pass.

                  Like if I asked why is the sky blue but sunset orange? That would be about a six hour answer covering the background of optics, wavelengths, refraction etc.

                  So unconsciously for me explaining details is a sign caring.

                  I can see from reading this that you may have thought I was being annoyed, but if fact, I was really quite pleased to finally have an opportunity to explain the odd pattern I usually use that I always feel self-conscious about, and wonder if people find annoying, tedious, repetitive, or weird.

                  So I'm sorry if I made you feel bad.

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                  by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 09:40:15 PM PDT

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                  •  Didn't feel bad - (3+ / 0-)

                    just a little lame for complaining about there not being a link when the article started with the link. Nor do I think you were harsh.

                    Your dad sounds like he explains things the way I explain things to my daughter, although I'm a good bit more abbreviated. Always try to give the best explanation I think she will understand. Or tell her I don't think she will understand, instead of giving her some easy bullshit.

                    On one hand, sometimes it discourages her from asking, or she'll tell me she doesn't really want to know. But on the other hand, she knows a lot more about a lot of things than most kids her age.

                    So you see, I too was just caring enough to explain myself.

          •  Hear hear, (0+ / 0-)

            I myself could benefit from that.

            Obama is the most progressive president in my lifetime.

            by freakofsociety on Sat May 17, 2014 at 09:35:39 AM PDT

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      •  It should be relativly easy to get rid of her... (0+ / 0-)

        and she would likely give the biggest assist.

         It is apparent that she is a crusader...the type that recognizes no authority over her commited beliefs. As such she is likely very sloppy -- crusaders always are. Check her paper trail over the last few years and one can bet there is enough of a mess in there that an oversight comittee could mail it in.

         Her public insubordination is approaching levels achieved by such luminaries as Douglas MacArthur which is reason enough to can her but it should be done in such way that she cannot be turned into a cause celebre or any sort of fauxvda martyr. I am sure her record has enough rampant and previously unscrutized fruit to reap a rich harvest, turning her inevitable ( and it is ) dismissal into the richly deserved firing of an incompetant, the insorbination record sufficing to scupper any thought of a wrongfull dismasal situation.

        it tastes like burning...

        by eastvan on Sat May 17, 2014 at 03:17:57 PM PDT

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    •  Hey, greenbird, as long as I have the attention of (7+ / 0-)

      one our smart people I might as well pump your brain for all I can.

      Shouldn't there be a comma after the "If she doesn't, President Obama should

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      by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 03:10:18 PM PDT

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      •  proly. i wasn't proofreading, tho. (9+ / 0-)

        i just couldn't unscramble it right.
        no worries. usually we kogs grok typos without a problem and soar through to the point, right ? nay, we need not pologize: get the idea out, then polish it -- that's what counts. and why you're doing diaries and i'm just fluttering around here, stirring up trouble. ;)

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          That one cool poem like comment you made in my other post I formatted into a poem for you.

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          by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 06:59:38 PM PDT

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          •  Please don't tell me the heart is going to (1+ / 0-)
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            Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

            by Smoh on Fri May 16, 2014 at 08:26:09 PM PDT

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            •  No but I need a better dog picture. This dog one (1+ / 0-)
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              dark and out of focus. Knucklehead has these amazingly crisp and well lit photos with astonishingly gorgeous colors. I need to get a new UID not connected to this one any way. The rule around here is only one account.

              So I'm going to have to give this one up, so I can set up a new one with my real name.

              Problem is with this I've said some things that some of my future clients might interpret as being critical of unfettered capitalism, and I have also expressed "concern" about the potential of corporate malfeasance of some of he major multinational corporations that might want to send students to my workshops.

              That could be awkward.

              I might try one more time to see if Markos would or he CEO would allow me to keep this account plus a new one under my real name as long as I didn't use them to "recommend" my own post to gain "illicit Mojo" LOL which is apparent one of the big concerns.

              I asked MB this about 2.5 years ago, if he though Markos would go for it, because I know him better, and he said it would not be accepted with that tone that let me know it was not worth even trying.

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              by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 10:53:35 PM PDT

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            •  Why would that distress you Smoh? You peaked my (1+ / 0-)
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              curiousity? Now.  

              So if I replaced my Hounddog picture with a gigantic heart this would make you unhappy?  LOL

              This is almost to good to be true. Do you know how tempted I am now?  You know those psychological test where there have the test subject sit in a room where here is a red button with a sign that says, "Don't press this button!"

              How about if I put a whole row of cute little bunnies all across the bottom Smoh?

              And, a circle of little yellow happy faces around it, that could really spice it up don't you think?

              ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

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              by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 10:58:20 PM PDT

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        •  This is great palantir. Let's hope Rush Limbaugh (3+ / 0-)
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          doesn't get a whole of this. He will be indicted English professors along with the Pope.

          Hey, I asked you a bunch of questions about why metals are so metallic that will be like a ball thrown right down the middle of the plate if you want an easy home run.

          I figure it is he least I can do after you've so kind in all you're rec's and tips.

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          by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 07:02:26 PM PDT

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      •  Not necessary and I tend to leave those (2+ / 0-)
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        out. Especially when it is in a long sentence like that and the column is narrow. It's correct either way though.

        No War but Class War

        by AoT on Fri May 16, 2014 at 07:11:26 PM PDT

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      •  link (0+ / 0-)

        http://www.ego4u.com/...

        Use a comma if the if clause is at the beginning of the sentence.

        I'm a Vietnam Era vet. I'm also an Erma Bombeck Era vet. When cussing me out and calling me names please indicate which vet you would like to respond to your world changing thoughts.

        by Just Bob on Fri May 16, 2014 at 07:21:11 PM PDT

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    •  What do you think now greenbird, I lost my reading (14+ / 0-)

      glasses so i couldn't see that the first period was a comma so your comment extended into what I thought was the second sentence as well.

      I just set the computer about three feet away and proof read and corrected the whole thing.

      I wanted to say if she didn't resign President Obama should fire her. But, then I wondered if there was some kind of odd rule that once you appoint these commissioners and the are approved by the Senate you can only remove them in some impeachment process?

      That's why I reverted to this more ackward "or President Obama should demand it. One thing I really had is when I get a really good self-righteous rant going and work up and impressive froth of indignation and some one comes along as says, "but the President can't fire the DEA Commissioner under Article 2297.838.

      Dang, I really hate that. Then someone else swoops in and say, "See, that show what you don't understand about how the U.S government works, and why they don't let hound dogs have internet account.

      And it woudn't matter if that was tangential to the main point.

      So you wouldn't believe how many times I back off the best wording proactive to say something mushy like his just to avoid the potential for trouble.

      But, if anyone knows the President can fire her, I'll not only put that in but says "President Obama should fire her sorry ass!"  

      Yes, that's how strongly I feel about it. I don't generally like to use harsh or ugly language in politics especially in writing but when I  think about how tragic it is for some of these people to be in jail it breaks my heart.

      A few weeks ago, I read his article about this hard working African American man who is serving 10 years in prison for something like a joint, but he had some previous minor infraction. Now his children and his wife have no provider.  And you could "hear" in his voice, oh yes, it was an interview on CNN, you could here in his voice he was almost about to cry at the thought of not seeing his kids for 10 years - for a joint, people.

      And, this is the women, who is blocking progress.

      I make me cry to think of this human tragedy multiplied 100,000 times, maybe a million.

      Such a vast about of stupidity, and cruelty that I am ashamed to be a human being.

      We have to stop doing this to these poor people. Its criminal, shameful, and pathetic. Please tweet for this horrible excuse for a human being to resign or be fired.

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      by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 03:32:48 PM PDT

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  •  The fact she's still got a job makes me scratch... (39+ / 0-)

    my head. She must be a true believer to perpetuate her methods on society. I wonder how much of the "War on Drugs" money finds its way into her pocket?

    I'm not serious. Seriously.

    by IB JOHN on Fri May 16, 2014 at 03:06:03 PM PDT

  •  When you put foxes in charge of henhouses (25+ / 0-)

    you're asking for trouble.

    Used to be the problem with R's. It's metastasized.

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    by Words In Action on Fri May 16, 2014 at 03:08:39 PM PDT

    •  True believers have been (1+ / 0-)
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      the bane of civilization's progress since the beginning of time.  They have no business being in charge of anything, much less public policy.

      "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke

      by SueDe on Sat May 17, 2014 at 06:40:34 AM PDT

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  •  The war on drugs has created a sort of... (63+ / 0-)

    ...military/industrial complex.  Everybody involved, from cops to prison guards to the DEA is in it for the money.

    It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it

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    by Shockwave on Fri May 16, 2014 at 03:15:27 PM PDT

    •  What is up with that??? (24+ / 0-)

      I would love to see some hard numbers on how many of Obama's appointees are Republicans. Did I actually vote in a Republican administration? I could have sworn I voted for a Democrat.

    •  From the Bush administration. This was not wise (7+ / 0-)

      or good.  Let's limit the damage and cut our losses. Water under the bridge, but no excuses for tomorrow morning.

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      by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 04:00:26 PM PDT

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    •  Wait til you see his pick (14+ / 0-)

      For HHS. She said single payer would not be allowed on her watch during her confirmation hearings.
      I have tried to find the link to the article I read, but can't.
      She is another Hillary protege with ties to Walmart and other scummy firms.
      I will keep looking for the link.
      I can't even remember her name.
      Plus the Dems and the Rethugs are saying they will not confirm to the federal bench a nominee who is anti abortion, anti SSM, and sued to keep the confederat flag flying over the Capital.
      Also in that article, Obama made a deal with the Rethugs that 4/7 nominees will be picked by them.
      So g
      Ad we have a democrat for president.

      Nobel peace prize winner Barack Obama did not just pick up that 3:00 am phone call, but, as has been noted, he mostly stayed on the phone making war and sending out drones for his entire terms in office.

      by snoopydawg on Fri May 16, 2014 at 05:43:41 PM PDT

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      •  Bio (9+ / 0-)

        Ms. Sylvia Mathews Burwell has been Secretary of The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services at U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Program Support Center since April 2014. Ms. Burwell served as the President of Walmart Foundation at Wal-Mart Stores Inc. since October 2011. Ms. Burwell served as President, Global Development Program of Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Ms. Burwell served as Executive Director, Libraries & Pacific Northwest giving of Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. She was responsible to oversees the foundation’s efforts to help the world’s poorest people lift themselves out of hunger and extreme poverty. Burwell leads Global Development’s grantmaking and advocacy in agricultural development; financial services for the poor; water, sanitation, and hygiene; global libraries; and special initiatives. She served as Chief Operating Officer of Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation from 2002 to April 2006. She joined Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in 2001 as an Executive Vice President. She served as Deputy Director of the Office of Management and Budget in Washington, D.C. since 1998. From 1997 to 1998, she served as Assistant to the President, Deputy Chief of Staff to President Bill Clinton. From 1995 to 1997, she served as Chief of Staff to Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and also served as staff director for the National Economic Council from 1993 to 1995. Ms. Burwell served as Manager of President Clinton's economic transition team from 1992 to 1993. Prior to that, she was an associate at McKinsey and Company from 1990 to 1992. She served as Director of Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, a subsidiary of MetLife Inc. since January 2004. She serves as a Director at Council on Foreign Relations Inc. She served as a Director at MetLife, Inc. from January 21, 2004 to April 19, 2013. She is a member of the University of Washington Medicine board, the Pacific Council on International Policy, CSIS Smart Power Commission, the Aspen Strategy Group, the Trilateral Commission, Nike Foundation Advisory Group, and the CFR Task Force on Transatlantic Relations for the Council on Foreign Relations, Inc. she is a visiting committee member of the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University and a Governing Council member of the Miller Center of Public Affairs at the University of Virginia. She received an A.B. degree in Government, cum laude, from Harvard University in 1987 and a bachelor's degree in philosophy, politics and economics from Oxford University, where she was a Rhodes Scholar.

        Nobel peace prize winner Barack Obama did not just pick up that 3:00 am phone call, but, as has been noted, he mostly stayed on the phone making war and sending out drones for his entire terms in office.

        by snoopydawg on Fri May 16, 2014 at 06:52:45 PM PDT

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        •  Her affiliation with the (1+ / 0-)
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          Insurance company Met Life and the fact she was  a protege of Rubin and part of the CFR group as well as the other groups listed here tells me she is just another Obama stooge who will not represent we the people.

          Let me repeat what she told the happy rethuglicans during her confirmation.
          "Single payer WILL NOT happen on my watch"!  

          I have searched for the link to the article her quote comes from, but I can't find it.
          I will keep looking for it.
          But I don't think she is the best candidate Obama could appoint to this position.
          Sigh, but is anyone surprised?  
          Then there is the Confederate judge he wants to appoint, but most of the Dems have said "HELL NO"!  

          Nobel peace prize winner Barack Obama did not just pick up that 3:00 am phone call, but, as has been noted, he mostly stayed on the phone making war and sending out drones for his entire terms in office.

          by snoopydawg on Fri May 16, 2014 at 11:37:49 PM PDT

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        •  Honestly, I give up (0+ / 0-)
          From 1995 to 1997, she served as Chief of Staff to Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and also served as staff director for the National Economic Council from 1993 to 1995.
      •  Yeah I know (0+ / 0-)

        I didn't understand that either. I thought Sebelius was a good pick actually but when I heard about her replacement I was scratching my head. :(

        Obama is the most progressive president in my lifetime.

        by freakofsociety on Sat May 17, 2014 at 09:44:33 AM PDT

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  •  I agree completely. For a long time, (33+ / 0-)

    shes been terribly insubordinate for a political appointee. You dont make career people the heads of agencies. They soon forget who is boss. All executive power is vested in the president and the president alone. Everyone else is merely an extention of that authority. Always put your political cronies j  charge of agencies. Always. Bureaucrats dont get to make policy. They shut the fuck up, salute the flag, and do as told.

    She seems to have forgotten that and she has to go.

    •  I think that's overstating it.... (3+ / 0-)
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      I'm not willing to buy the idea that all career bureaucrats are inherently worse at running alphabet soup agencies than "cronies."

      Take Joe Allbaugh and Michael "Heckuva Job" Brown, for just one example....

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      by nota bene on Fri May 16, 2014 at 05:06:14 PM PDT

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      •  Thats not relevant. (2+ / 0-)
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        Nobody is saying this lady isnt competent. This isn't about administrative acumen.

        Shes sticking her nose jnto policy, which agency heads should never do or we will have government run amok.

        The policy comes from the president, period. Angency heads are appointed by the president to see to it that the presidents policies are carried out, as the people who elected him expect. Not to buck the president on behalf of the agency, which is not elected by anyone. And it is vital that that person, who serves at the president's pleasure, be loyal to him and not the agency. Again, people dont elect agencies.

        If a political appointee fucks up the job, you fire them. And you hold the president ultimately responsible through Congressional oversight and the ballot box.

  •  It's past time to disband the DEA altogether (50+ / 0-)

    They are a completely redundant federal agency created originally by the Nixon Administration to strip the Constitutional rights of political enemies primarily in the anti-war movement. We don't want or need them at all and never really did.

    Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

    by RMForbes on Fri May 16, 2014 at 03:39:52 PM PDT

  •  What? I thought DKers blamed Holder for all that. (2+ / 0-)
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    This miserable DEA Czar continues to put people in jail for operating  legal dispensaries in states that have legalized marijuana, seizing their assets, destroying their lives, making Democrats and President Obama look ridiculous,
     
     

    My Karma just ran over your Dogma

    by FoundingFatherDAR on Fri May 16, 2014 at 03:49:24 PM PDT

  •  Thanx (5+ / 0-)

    for this HoundDog
    I am thinking she has been absorbed by the DEA Borg, and cannot break away from that organizations "Active Inertia"
    The more the outside world changes, the more they will fight for the old ways until someone (through great effort) changes the agencies core culture.

    •  You are welcome simple serf. I'm glad I did this. (1+ / 0-)
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      It was sort of a last minute impulse before going downstairs to get something for dinner and I sill have not make it downstairs.

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      by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 07:30:13 PM PDT

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  •  Uptight moralist control freaks (11+ / 0-)

    should have no place in politics. They seem to be attracted to it.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Fri May 16, 2014 at 04:00:40 PM PDT

  •  fire her, NOW! (8+ / 0-)

    That's not what the USA needs, by any criteria. Over-full prisons and guaranteed cartel profits are not any kind of reasonable policy.

    The voters are deciding to legalize/ treat as a medical problem, and it will continue and expand. Anyone who thinks they need to stick their finger in that dike is just delusional.

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

    by Karl Rover on Fri May 16, 2014 at 04:02:05 PM PDT

    •  I'm still waiting for someone to answer my (2+ / 0-)
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      question if President Obama can fire her or can he only request her resignation?

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      by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 07:31:32 PM PDT

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  •  you drug addicts might enjoy reading this (20+ / 0-)

    http://www.motherjones.com/...

    the writer sounds a lot like someone I have actually met here in the Emerald Triangle once..family story and all...

    thanks for this HD, that woman must go, but more to the point Obama has to shed this two sides of the story crap and fight for a side, the right one in this case, and unambiguously stop this nonsense, this 'drug war' that has cost america so much trouble and loss since forever.

    If he doesn't who will?

    Rand Paul?...maybe..that would be a legacy for PBO, doh!...'I left the best cards on the table'.

    This pot war is a national disgrace.

    This machine kills Fascists.

    by KenBee on Fri May 16, 2014 at 04:02:57 PM PDT

  •  Close the DEA (15+ / 0-)

    A simpler solution. Save taxpayer money and eliminate an arm of "big gummint."

    "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

    by US Blues on Fri May 16, 2014 at 04:11:37 PM PDT

  •  HoundDog (9+ / 0-)

    Biggest conflict of interest...
    Prisons for Profit

    Life Without Parole

    DSCN7994

    I`m already against the next war.

    by Knucklehead on Fri May 16, 2014 at 04:22:36 PM PDT

    •  Yeah, this needs to be dealt with at SCOTUS level (2+ / 0-)
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      once and for all. When we have a majority.

      We can start at the state level, though. It's where it essentially happens anyway. I know that movement is active, I wish there was more support. Visibility on the issue is growing, but not fast enough IMHO.

    •  Agreed Knucklehead. Double agreed. (1+ / 0-)
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      Let's all say a prayer for the approximately 3/4 of a million Americans serving time for non-violent drug offenses.

      President Obama and the State Governors should get together and pardon all of them.

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      by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 07:33:47 PM PDT

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  •  A thing that bugs me (7+ / 0-)

    How many people out there in the world hear about this and say to themselves: "blah blah more government bullcrap"? How many people, going from a lifetime of anecdotal evidence, shake their heads in disbelief and "lolwut?" at Leonhart rebuking President Obama about his comparison of alcohol and cannabis?

    Hell, most of the people I know would laugh and state the obvious: that alcohol is in fact a great deal more dangerous.

    Many of them have been saying that sort of thing for a very long time.

    And, unfortunately, more than a few of them are gubmint-hating getoffmylawn libertarians.

    Hmm....

    It vexes me.

    Institutionalized mendacity = institutionalized mistrust = institutionalized apathy

    But, you know, gateway drug and dirty hippies and reefer madness so it's all okay.

    Thanks HD

    •  Heavy use - absolutely - no comparison... (1+ / 0-)
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      Light to social use - alcohol might not be as bad. Certainly light use has been shown to be quite beneficial for alcohol. More real research needed on cannabis.

      •  what? (5+ / 0-)

        light/social use of MJ is worse than alcohol? How do you figure?

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        by nota bene on Fri May 16, 2014 at 05:11:40 PM PDT

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        •  We have many... (0+ / 0-)

          large and longitudinal studies that show that an alcoholic beverage a day - particularly a glass of red wine - has many health benefits for an otherwise healthy person. This effect seems to be amplified for those on a Mediterranean diet which generously uses various "good" fats such as olive oil as well. Doctors are obviously a bit circumspect with this because there are too many of us who go by the belief that if one is good, then 5 or 6 must be super!

          There are no similar studies that show that smoking marijuana creates additional health benefits for an otherwise healthy person. If fact, the most recent studies are turning up some concerns for even light smokers. I will agree that federal regulations and biases make it difficult to conduct a good large scale and longitudinal study, but that doesn't change the fact that we simply have no good information yet.

          My good friend who posts below argues that certain cannabinoid oils and resins are good for various reasons - particularly for those with certain maladies. I will agree that there is research that supports this, but much more needs to be done to determine the proper doses and delivery methods. We might well find out that certain isolated oils are good as a dietary supplement. I argue that we don't have that proof yet.

          I won't agree at all that smoking is a good delivery method for any type of palliative agent or even for a recreational agent. Also, the type of marijuana or cannabis that is most regularly smoked is that with high THC levels and are not necessarily selected for their oil or resin content. (I will grant you that those parents seeking out Charlotte's Web and a few other strains are an exception). Smoking introduces all kinds of other agents that are problematic  - it's simply not a healthy way to deliver medication or a dietary supplement. I think you could probably sprinkle acetalsalicylic acid on your rolling tobacco to relieve a headache, but normal people don't do that.

          I think marijuana should be legalized and heavily regulated for private use in your own home. I believe that good research will show that there are problems with even light use, but they might well not be aversive enough to outweigh the benefit of the recreational high that occasional use provides. I think heavy use will prove to be problematic, but most likely not as problematic as heavy use of alcohol.

          The current medical marijuana market is a big joke and generally only serves as a cover for those recreational users who don't want to have  criminal record. If we really want to help people that research shows could be assisted, then resins and oils would be made available that could be ingested, vaporized or topically applied. There are some, but they are not properly regulated or tested as of yet.
           

          •  What about Solvay's Marinol® (dronabinol)? (1+ / 0-)
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            http://en.wikipedia.org/...

            Also, I think a lot of people with serious medical problems would take issue with your contention that

            The current medical marijuana market is a big joke and generally only serves as a cover for those recreational users who don't want to have [a] criminal record.

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            by lotlizard on Sat May 17, 2014 at 01:46:24 AM PDT

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          •  .... (0+ / 0-)
            If fact, the most recent studies are turning up some concerns for even light smokers.
            Got links?
            I won't agree at all that smoking is a good delivery method for any type of palliative agent or even for a recreational agent.
            The big advantage of smoking is the immediacy of effect, which leads to precision in titration. (Not to mention ease of use.) In other words, you put the pipe down when you're good, and you don't have to fumble around guessing at dosage like with edibles, which take 2 hours to take effect. (But you knew that already, didn't you?)

            And I simply don't understand the italicized part. It works just fine as recreational agent. I mean, I get that smoking itself is not necessarily healthy, but neither is alcohol, and I don't see anyone campaigning for a repeal of the 21st Amendment.

            RMForbes downthread notes that smoking weed has not been shown to cause lung cancer the way tobacco does.

            I think you could probably sprinkle acetalsalicylic acid on your rolling tobacco to relieve a headache, but normal people don't do that.
            What the fuck kind of ridiculous straw man argument is that?

            I guess that might have sounded like a good joke in your head, but it's borderline insulting (not to mention irrelevant and gratuitous) and makes me wonder whether you're really participating in this thread in good faith.

            If we really want to help people that research shows could be assisted, then resins and oils would be made available that could be ingested, vaporized or topically applied.
            Lotlizard beat me to it, but Marinol has been around for a while and is Schedule III.

            I forget who originally made this comparison, but it's like the wizards at the DEA are saying that oranges are bad for you, but vitamin C that's artifically synthesized in a lab is A-OK!

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            by nota bene on Sat May 17, 2014 at 05:48:21 PM PDT

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      •  No, even in light social use the cannabinoid drugs (4+ / 0-)

        found in cannabis resins are still less detrimental and more beneficial than light use of alcohol. There has been enough historical evidence to prove that truth. But I do agree that we need to do more research on the benefits or problems with cannabinoid use. However, the honest research done so far lean far more to the beneficial side.

        Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

        by RMForbes on Fri May 16, 2014 at 05:39:18 PM PDT

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      •  "Light to social use" LOL. In Brave new World... (0+ / 0-)

        just a tad of alcohol in the nutrients for the worker fetuses did the trick.

      •  Light Social Use (1+ / 0-)
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        You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, yet you're "certain". People like you have been polluting discourse about drugs so long that everyone knows the discourse you validate is sewage.

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        by DocGonzo on Fri May 16, 2014 at 11:09:29 PM PDT

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        •  If you are wedded to your weed.... (0+ / 0-)

          I know I'm not going to change your mind or opinion - I really don't want to. I'm conservative in how I interpret research - there are far too many studies that are either misinterpreted by the public simply proven to be wrong when a good large scale study is done.

          I just don't agree with those that say that pot is harmless or is just as safe as alcohol. Depends on the amount for alcohol (we know that excessive amounts are extremely problematic or even deadly) and the type for cannabis (has been shown as an effective palliative agent for those with certain maladies, but not necessarily for those who are otherwise healthy).

          •  Just Don't Agree (0+ / 0-)

            I'm not "wedded to my weed".

            You on the other hand are clearly wedded to your ignorance and prejudice.

            You know nothing. Yet you proclaim as if you're some kind of expert. Pipe down. Pun intended - you're going on like you're high.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Fri May 16, 2014 at 11:39:40 PM PDT

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            •  Well, we can disagree... (0+ / 0-)

              However, I really don't see what is so controversial about my stance - even for this place. In a nutshell...

              1. Marijuana should be legalized and heavily regulated for use in the privacy of your own home.

              2. Research and development will most probably show that certain cannabis oils, resins and extracts are very beneficial for the treatment of certain maladies and ailments. They should be tested, regulated and covered by health insurance as are any other beneficial drugs.

              3. A glass of wine a day is quite beneficial to the majority of otherwise healthy individuals.

              4. Smoking of marijuana (or of any substance) is probably unhealthy, although the exact extent is yet unknown. It might well be that the recreational high obtained is worth dealing with the downsides of smoking. Smoking of marijuana has not been shown to be beneficial to otherwise healthy individuals (other than the acknowledged recreational high that can be obtained).

              I honestly don't see what is disagreeable about what I have stated. If you want to use it, fine. Just don't go around saying that it is completely harmless - that's the biggest part I have problems with.

              •  Research that cannabis may actually cure cancer? (1+ / 0-)
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                You're an organic chemist and have never heard anything about this?

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                by lotlizard on Sat May 17, 2014 at 01:51:51 AM PDT

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              •  Research that cannabis may actually cure cancer? (0+ / 0-)

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                by lotlizard on Sat May 17, 2014 at 02:00:00 AM PDT

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              •  Apologize for the double post - there was a glitch (0+ / 0-)

                … and I was getting an error message (something about a "perl script") the first time I posted the comment.

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                by lotlizard on Sat May 17, 2014 at 02:04:00 AM PDT

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                •  No problem... (1+ / 0-)
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                  I've gotten weird messages before - sometimes after writing a large post that I think is lost - and then it magically appears.

                  I'm quite aware of the studies and anecdotal results that seem to indicate that agents in marijuana might have prophylactic or cancer fighting effects. This is certainly an area that merits more study. However, the exact mechanisms for this aren't understood. Some have speculated that cannabinoid agents might accelerate cell apoptosis. If this is selective for cells affected by carcinogenesis, then this could be a very good thing. However, if it is not selective, then it is problematic. I doubt that any healthy individual would subject themselves to chemotherapy on the hunch that it might eliminate any hiding mutated cells in their system. This is where I say that more work needs to be done. I think I have been quite clear that I believe that various agents in cannabis might prove to be very beneficial, but I don't believe that smoking marijuana in itself will prove to be a good thing.

                  I wanted to answer another comment that you made concerning your observation on medical marijuana. I agree completely that many people who get no relief from other therapies do get critical relief from their problems by smoking pot. I just have a problem when we funnel people to smoking something to get relief. We should be at a point where we can prescribe the appropriate extracts to get the results that so many people need. Also, I would have to argue that the majority of people with a medical marijuana card in many states are actually recreational users, but this fact should not be used to stop those who need it for relief - unfortunately they don't have other good alternatives in many cases.

                  Marinol and other extracts and synthetics are a very good step - we need so much more work here. Also, acceptance by the population and by doctors needs to increase - too many would still rather just smoke it and I feel that is simply not the best way for safe, efficacious delivery.

                  Also, I will again state that I am very much for legalized use of marijuana in the privacy of your own home. If cigarettes are legal - and we know the mess they cause -  how can we keep recreational marijuana illegal when it is at least many, many times safer and causes fewer problems.

              •  Nothing is completely harmless but the cannabinoid (3+ / 0-)
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                drugs found in cannabis resin are about as close as you can get. The LD50 of cannabinoids is over 40,000 times the effective dose. The LD50 of alcohol, on the other hand, is around 10 times the effective dose.

                Yes, smoking anything may not be wise but in the UCLA study on cannabis use actually commissioned to prove a causal link between smoking cannabis and cancer, found no such link. In fact, even heavy cannabis smokers developed serious lung disorders at the same rate as the control group that smoked nothing but lived in the same general area and were exposed to the same environmental pollution. The group that smoked both cannabis and tobacco also seemed to suffer lower incidences of lung disease than tobacco smokers alone. Plus, using a vaporizer eliminates over 95% of the dangerous chemicals and hot gasses found in smoke.

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                by RMForbes on Sat May 17, 2014 at 09:56:14 AM PDT

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              •  Just Don't Agree (0+ / 0-)

                I don't know about "controversial". But you have said that there isn't research showing "light social use" isn't harmful, even compared to alcohol, when that is just false. And you said that you "just don't agree" with research that does exist.

                Now you're going on about how marijuana isn't beneficial to healthy users, beyond the recreational high. What does that even mean? What possible benefit could it bring beyond that? Why isn't that enough?

                More importantly, who are you to say? You're totally unqualified, you're uninformed, and you don't take pushback from people who point that out. Your arrogance is disconcerting.

                But you, and far too many others like you, pollute the public discourse with insistent ignorance - that causes serious problems for other people. At the very least you could harbor your doubts without presenting them as if they're facts.

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                by DocGonzo on Sat May 17, 2014 at 07:29:03 PM PDT

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          •  this kind of rhetoric (0+ / 0-)

            ("wedded to your weed") makes me think that you have zero actual direct experience with MJ itself.

            People have known that the drug warriors are Full. Of. Shit. for decades now.

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            by nota bene on Sat May 17, 2014 at 05:51:03 PM PDT

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            •  Early on in my career... (0+ / 0-)

              I was involved in various projects that isolated and characterized various agents found in cannabis. I also did work in other areas of pharmaceuticals when grant money for cannabis research dried up.

              If someone is going to call me an unqualified know-nothing polluting the public discourse, then I 'm really going to believe that they are pretty heavily invested in their point of view.

              As far as direct experience, if you mean using it - no I really have never been a smoker. However, I don't think that needs to be a prerequisite for researching or commenting on it. I'm sure that many of the researchers that worked on cigarettes never smoked.

              This isn't political for me - I'm just trying to understand what the real story is. Earlier in my career, I was very much against legalization. The studies coming out were pretty negative and I really wasn't for yet another recreational agent that was going to cause a slew of problems. I've changed my mind on that now. Legalization is fine with me at this point, but I'm not gonna agree that it is harmless or that it is a safe as light use of alcohol.

              If you believe that scientific debate pollutes the public discourse, then there are some wonderful people who would love to have tea with you that hate what a funny guy on a funny ship found out on some funny islands about 170 years ago.

    •  Yes, this is what I mean that see is damaging (8+ / 0-)

      President Obama's credibility, The Democratic Party's credibility, America's credibility, and the very idea of the credibility of "government" and the idea that government can function in an intelligent way.

      And President Obama and us Democrats are responsible for it right now. Among my sons 24 year old friends this is something they understand at a gut level. The Obama's Democratic DEA are a bunch of hypocritical assholes so they are looking at Rand Paul.

      I am so tired of hearing all of the sophistry hear about "oh no, it wouldn't be logical for anyone to support Rand Paul because, blah, blay,blah, blah... " a bunch of abstract crap as far as a lot of kids experience.

      When they are getting high and they are watching John Steward the see President Obama's and the Democratic Party's DEA Jack Booted Thugs storm a legal medical marijuana dispensary bust the place up and destroy the business, cut down his plants, and whole him off to jail and Rand Paul says that bullshit they cheer!!

      So did he students at Berkeley.

      I've talked to these people. Some one of my limited verbal and intellectual skill does not have anywhere near the capacity to convince them that President Obama and the Democrats are not hypocritical assholes and Rand Paul is the fellow we need to correct this stupidity.

      Fire this woman now President Obama. Please not not put me in this untenable and humiliating position in front of my son after I've worked like a dog to get you elected in the HRC primaries and two general elections.

      Fire this jackass Michele Leonhart tonght! Tell Eric Holder to stop prosecuting and raiding marijuana offenses, and take Marijuana off the frigging Schedule 1 list.

      And pardon all the *&^$$$& federal prisoners doing time for non-violent drug offenses. Don't let out a rumor your going to pardon 1,000 and then wait around forever. These are peoples lives we are dealing with.

      Demand he governors join you in pardons all 800,000 of them.

      Tomorrow. Stop screwing around with the perceived integrity of the United States of American in the eyes of this nest generation. We are losing them and have a lot of bigger problems than this we need to be urgently working on. We can not afford to make this into our magnum opus when global warming. global poverty, hunger, warfare, etc. are threatening us. This should be a week long project of your time max.

      Let's get it done so we can prove to ourselves we are capable of doing something simple to warm up for the harder stuff.

       

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      by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 07:52:44 PM PDT

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      •  among voters of that age cohort (3+ / 0-)
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        IMHO the quickest way to derail the Paul-curiosity is to mention Ron's opposition to the Civil Rights Act of '64 and Rand's semi-but-not-really-ambiguous comments on the same subject.

        I wholeheartedly agree that Obama specifically and the D party generally need to get out in front of this already. The War on Drugs is never going to be more popular with the electorate than it is right now.

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        by nota bene on Fri May 16, 2014 at 08:09:39 PM PDT

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      •  HoundDog (1+ / 0-)
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        I really appreciate your diaries and you seem to have a firm grasp on this issue. Thank you for writing this.

        Obama is the most progressive president in my lifetime.

        by freakofsociety on Sat May 17, 2014 at 09:48:20 AM PDT

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        •  You are welcome freakofsociety. I grew up in a (0+ / 0-)

          culture where expressing emotion like this was seen as ... something that wasn't good, especially for men, So I do not do it very often directed at a Democratic administration, so you see me struggling he to try to stay restrained and focued on the DEA director while at the same time having to acknowledge that the only reason she is still there and the only person who can remove her is the President.

          It makes me angry that he would put people like myself who have sacrificed as much as I have to elect him and defend in such a position to keep a weasel like this in office for cheesy and bogus political reasons.

          He is going to force us to escalate to an ugly level that will make all of us look bad and feel badly about ourselves, which is poor strategic judgement.

          Last night there was an article about Eric Holder taking her to the "woodshed" and she agreeing "to back off just a bit" as if that is supposed to solve our concerns.

          That jiust makes me more angry.

          What transparent horseshit.

          Sometimes this administration is so politically naive I wonder which planet they were brought up on. Give us a frigging break.

          Now I am getting pissed.

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          by HoundDog on Sat May 17, 2014 at 08:10:28 PM PDT

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          •  He makes me pissed too (0+ / 0-)

            I just honestly believe he means well and when I see people bashing him over the top of the head my reflex is to defend him. I really think liberals do a lot more harm than good when they attack the president and his motives. It turns people off and pisses people off.

            Obama is the most progressive president in my lifetime.

            by freakofsociety on Mon May 19, 2014 at 11:24:56 AM PDT

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  •  Six years in, and this person is still.... (5+ / 0-)

    an Obama employee?

    Does he ever contemplate the flow chart of the executive branch............ his executive branch?

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    by Bollox Ref on Fri May 16, 2014 at 04:52:38 PM PDT

    •  Apparently not. This is like a corrosive battery (0+ / 0-)

      acid on the perceived credibility of government, the Democratic Partym, and President Obama in the eyes of young people and anyone who cares about the 800,000 American doing prison terms for non-violent drug offenses, and the 775,000 Americans who are being arrested each year for marijuana related offenses.

      It makes us all look like hypocritical idiots. And, Rand Paul is eating our lunch in some places.

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      by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 07:55:36 PM PDT

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  •  what's this about (4+ / 0-)

    a massacre in Honduras? Anyone have more info on that?

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    by nota bene on Fri May 16, 2014 at 05:13:13 PM PDT

  •  I'm curious as to what (3+ / 0-)
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    Obama's legal options are.

    If he does demand a resignation and she refuses is that it?

    Der Weg ist das Ziel

    by duhban on Fri May 16, 2014 at 05:17:25 PM PDT

    •  I'm not an executive branch expert (3+ / 0-)

      but doesn't she serve completely at the pleasure of the president? In other words, fully fireable?

      "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

      by Lost Left Coaster on Fri May 16, 2014 at 05:47:50 PM PDT

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    •  Impeachment (3+ / 0-)
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      once confirmed by the senate the only way to force an appointee out if they refuse to leave on their own if for a full impeachment trial.

      Anyone want to ask the house GOP to open an impeachment proceeding?

      •  We should start proceeding immediately. (1+ / 0-)
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        by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 08:00:16 PM PDT

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      •  Just wrong (0+ / 0-)

        Most executive branch officials can be fired whenever the President wants.

        Absent other evidence that is what you should presume, except for the Commissions, the head of the FBI and the head of the CFPB.

    •  The President can't force the removal of a head (6+ / 0-)

      of a federal agency once they are confirmed by the Senate unless they violate their oath of office. However, in the case of the DEA the President could simply dissolve the agency altogether or change their charter...how they operate. No other federal agency besides the DEA have control over defining the laws they are to enforce.

      The President and the DOJ does have the power to take the control of the drug scheduling process and control of the scientific research for rescheduling a drug away from the law enforcement agency charged with enforcing federal drug laws. There are already other federal agencies that have the actual scientific expertise to make these types of decisions. The DEA shouldn't have veto power and that power can be removed legally at the Executive level.

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      by RMForbes on Fri May 16, 2014 at 07:28:16 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks RMForbes. Yes, he should demand her (1+ / 0-)
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        resignation in public then zero out the budget for her office and her salary.

        Post armed guards around the building and not let her in the office.

        Make a deal with McConnell and Boehner to have Fasttrack  Impeachment hearings in two weeks.

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        by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 08:02:51 PM PDT

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      •  This is wrong (0+ / 0-)

        The heads of agencies (not commissions), other than the head of the FBI and CFPB can be fired by the President.

        •  Not true unless they violate their oath of office (0+ / 0-)

          The Administration has to ask for their resignation, they cannot be just fired but again that is a difference without a real distinction. There are other options though, the Administration can also disband the agency or change the way the agency operates. I believe the President should just disband the DEA completely or at least take them out of the decision making process for which drugs should be scheduled and where they should be scheduled. How come a law enforcement agency has veto power over which scientific studies of a drug can go forward...it makes no sense and this can be changed.

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          by RMForbes on Fri May 16, 2014 at 10:05:25 PM PDT

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          •  That is a courtesy. The President does not (0+ / 0-)

            have to extend it. It is also why a resignation is always provided when requested.

            •  When was the last time the President fired a (0+ / 0-)

              director of a federal agency for strictly political reasons? I don't think it has ever been done.

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              by RMForbes on Fri May 16, 2014 at 10:29:51 PM PDT

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              •  Policy Reasons (1+ / 0-)
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                1. The problems with Leonhardt aren't political. She is executing policy at odds with the president's and the attorney general's. And publicly rebuking their policies.

                2. Lots of things get done for the first time. First Black president?

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                by DocGonzo on Fri May 16, 2014 at 11:12:16 PM PDT

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                •  True, but she followed the laws enacted by (1+ / 0-)
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                  Congress and was well within her authority to ignore the Administration guidelines. I still believe the best solution is to disband the DEA completely or at the very least strip the DEA of many of it's unusual powers. The DEA should not even have input much less veto power over selecting which scientific studies are done on cannabis, that could be changed easily by the AG or the President. Then it would not matter what jerk was director of the DEA.

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                  by RMForbes on Sat May 17, 2014 at 08:16:15 AM PDT

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    •  Security guards escort her off the property... (1+ / 0-)
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      until she stops showing up.

    •  I asked that question above. Can he fire her? No (2+ / 0-)
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      One has answered. I don't know.

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      by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 07:57:10 PM PDT

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  •  Leonhart is both horrific and mutinous (3+ / 0-)
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    and Must go.

    Come on Big Guy - you sacked a 5 star? general.  Surely this is a piece of cake.

    •  Agreed, I wish we were all together Cuselogy. (1+ / 0-)
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      We could start chanting.

      Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!
      Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go! Leonhart must go!

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      by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 08:04:37 PM PDT

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  •  The entire DEA is corrupt. (10+ / 0-)

    They should be broken into a million pieces. They are responsible for the rise of hard drug use in this country.

    Nothing like job security.

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    by CanisMaximus on Fri May 16, 2014 at 06:42:18 PM PDT

  •  In reality, This is Obama/Holder policy.... (14+ / 0-)

    It's been 5.5 damn years.

    If the young man Barack Obama had been caught breaking the laws (he's admitted MJ/cocaine use) his administration now enforces, there is no chance in hell he would be President, or even have gone to Harvard. How many young men (especially Black men) are facing barbaric consequences just for engaging in the same activities the President did while a young man. That should haunt him. Defenders of the administration often take issue with folks describing the President as weak or disingenuous, but in cases like this, I don't see another option. It's at least one of those.

    Whether he likes it or not, like Afghanistan became Obama's war, so has the War on Drugs in its current iteration. He has immense power to change enforcement policies, and I really hope that he will.

    •  Yup (19+ / 0-)

      Obama tends to talk one way while appointing and approving of far more authoritarian people. The kind of people Republicans approve of.

      She sounds like a shill for the private prison industry: just check out her responses to questions about MJ:

      Polis: Is crack worse for a person than marijuana?

      Leonhart: I believe all illegal drugs are bad.

      Polis: Is methamphetamine worse for somebody’s health than marijuana?

      Leonhart: I don’t think any illegal drug is good.

      Polis: (Slightly cutting off Leonhart) Is heroin worse for someone’s health than marijuana?

      Leonhart: Again, all drugs…

      From the same piece in High Times:

       

      According to one sheriff in attendance, “she said her lowest point in 33 years in the DEA was when she learned they’d flown a hemp flag over the Capitol on July 4.” Not the tens of thousands of dead Mexicans, not the resurgent overdose deaths from heroin, but a hemp flag like the ones our Founding Fathers flew.
      She's a real piece of work.
      •  She is a jackass. (1+ / 0-)
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        by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 08:13:24 PM PDT

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    •  If he or President Clinton had been arrested and (3+ / 0-)
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      convicted they would not be entitled to Pell grant or other student loans, so would be lucky to be working in a gas station someplace.

      It is so hypocritical not to be using the presidential pardon, demanding the resignation of this shithead Leonhart, using his executive order to take Marijuana off of schedule 1 I'm getting sick of hearing excuses.

      We are destroying real peoples lives every day.

      Good people like Michele and Barack Obama, Bill and Hilary Clinton are being shattered and destroyed every day and we keep hearing lame ass excuses.

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      by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 08:12:54 PM PDT

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      •  When they were in school that was not the case (3+ / 0-)
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        It wasn't until Clinton was in Office that they passed that law, I believe. And Bush tightened the restrictions.

        Although I managed to get pell grants even though I had a possession charge so I'm not sure what the exact criteria are.

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        by AoT on Fri May 16, 2014 at 08:42:00 PM PDT

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        •  Me too, I had a cultivation conviction (3+ / 0-)
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          a year before I began my first year of college and another between my Freshman and Sophomore years. I had no problems with getting Pell Grants or my VA educational benefits. However, I graduated in 1982 before they started all that nonsense.

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          by RMForbes on Fri May 16, 2014 at 10:50:43 PM PDT

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      •  That's what's really frustrating. Obama KNOWS.... (1+ / 0-)
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        That smoking weed or sniffing a little blow doesn't make someone a bad person, and generally doesn't ruin their lives if they're not arrested for it. He's living proof of those facts. And yet, he is denying kids just like him the opportunities he was able to take advantage of. The hypocrisy and cruelty of it stinks.

  •  DEA administrator is a Presidential Appointee (2+ / 0-)
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    with senate confirmation

    It means she is working at the pleasure of the President.

    The President, cannot blame this on anyone else, it's his
    tacit acceptance.

    •  Exactly. I'm trying to be tactful about it patbahn (3+ / 0-)
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      I'm getting fairly cheesed off when I think of the additional children whose lives are being destroyed every day by our cruel and unwise drug laws.

      This is our nation on insane drug laws. We need to go to national rehab immediately.

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      by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 08:15:42 PM PDT

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    •  Not really at the pleasure of the President (2+ / 0-)
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      Once she was confirmed by the Senate she cannot be simply fired by the President or the AG even though she falls beneath below both in the federal government chain of command.

      She can be forcibly removed only if she violates her oath of office or is convicted of a serious crime while in office. The President or AG can only ask for her resignation which I guess you could say is essentially the same thing as being fired by the Administration.

      Our President isn't a King and our government doesn't operate like a kingdom so the federal department heads do not serve at the pleasure of the President, they instead have significant autonomy for good reason. This way the day to day operation of our government has at least a little insulation from crass political influences.  

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      by RMForbes on Fri May 16, 2014 at 09:12:14 PM PDT

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      •  the DEA is an executive agency (1+ / 0-)
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        not an independent agency.

        These aren't term appointments, like FCC or NRC
        where the commisioners once appointed have a term.

        No, she's there at sufference of teh AG and Obama.

        •  That is true but it changes nothing (1+ / 0-)
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          The Administration still has to ask for her resignation before they can replace her. They cannot just fire her and she does not serve at the pleasure of the Administration no more than the director of the IRS.

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          by RMForbes on Fri May 16, 2014 at 09:50:57 PM PDT

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          •  dude, i'm looking at the PlumBook (0+ / 0-)

            http://www.gpo.gov/...

            Now if you notice,  Treasury Secretary is
            Geithner and a POS (Typo, but we will stick
            with that).  Now see to the right the column Tenure?
            None.

            Now scroll to the bottom, see IRS Commissioner?
            PAS and Tenure 5 years.

            http://www.gpo.gov/...

            Now we go to Justice.

            See Holder at the top.  (POS again???

            Now scroll down to DEA admin.  
            POS and NO tenure.

            Now, it's unseemly for the president to fire a subcabinet
            official,  the AG does that, but the President can
            fire anyone in that plum book without Tenure.

            •  So was Geithner fired or did he resign? (1+ / 0-)
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              Tenure is completely irrelevant, she should be simply asked to resign. That's just how people are "fired" in the federal government. Unless you believe that she should be charged with criminal offenses there is no reason to go through the far difficult process, which requires hearings and lawyers, of forcibly removing her from office. Why do you insist we should make the process far more difficult than it needs to be?  

              Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

              by RMForbes on Sat May 17, 2014 at 09:04:38 AM PDT

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              •  You totally misunderstand the law (0+ / 0-)

                an appointee always serves at the pleasure
                of the president. So the President can
                always fire an appointee.

                usually it's a little more graceful.

                They send a little note down, saying

                "Dear Bob

                    I wish to thank you for your services to the nation, which will no longer be needed after Friday.  Please be sure to
                stop by the White House thursday next for Tea.

                "

                you think an appointee is like a civil servant with some sort
                of property interest in their job.  Nope.  It's pure at will.

                http://www.npr.org/...

                RATH: So how often do presidents go that far and actually fire someone at that level?

                BESCHLOSS: Extremely rarely. And probably the biggest case that we can all think of would be Jimmy Carter in the summer of 1979, July. He fired four of his Cabinet secretaries, saying that he wanted a new start. That was a time in which inflation was roaring, there was an energy crisis. He wanted to show that he was changing the terms of his administration. It completely backfired. His polls plunged. People thought that that was a confession of the fact that Carter was saying that he was going down in flames.

                or
                WASHINGTON — President Reagan accepted Vice Adm. John M. Poindexter's resignation as his national security adviser Tuesday and dismissed Lt. Col. Oliver L. North, a Poindexter aide, after a Justice Department investigation disclosed that as much as $30 million in proceeds from arms sales to Iran had been diverted to Nicaraguan rebels despite a congressional ban on such military assistance.
                or
                Just months after receiving new authority to replace U.S. attorneys without Senate confirmation, the Bush administration fired eight U.S. attorneys, mostly on December 7, 2006. The attorneys, all appointees of President George W. Bush, were: Bud Cummins, Kevin Ryan, Daniel Bogden, Carol Lam, David Iglesias, Paul Charlton, John McKay and Margaret Chiara. It later emerged that the attorneys were engaged in a number of public corruption investigations of Republican public officials or had refused to pursue investigations of Democrats that would have been beneficial to Republicans in elections.
                Bush sacked all these people without batting an eye.
                •  The Bush example was done illegally and cost (0+ / 0-)

                  AG Gonzalez his job. It very well may be true that the President has the right to fire his appointees at will but it is never done unless there is obvious just cause like in the case of Oliver North. Every other time the President simply asked the appointee for their resignation. Why do you expect any different in this case?

                  Besides, it makes absolutely no difference if Leonhart remains at her post or is replaced with another fool as long as the DEA continues to have veto power over the drug scheduling and rescheduling process. It makes no sense what so ever that any law enforcement agency should have ultimate control over how the laws are written. It an obvious conflict of interest. The DEA has been standing in the way of scientific study of the cannabinoid drugs in cannabis resins for decades...this needs to be changed before all else. The DEA shouldn't even have input on which studies should go forward and which should not much less a veto power.

                  Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

                  by RMForbes on Sat May 17, 2014 at 01:28:18 PM PDT

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                  •  it gost Gonzales but it didn't cost bush (0+ / 0-)

                    because while it was political, it
                    was blowback on gonzales

                    A president asks for a resignation as a courtesy.
                    Not because they lack the power

                    Unconfirmed sources report that The President has fired his long time friend and advisor Donald Rumsfeld. Secretary Rumsfeld was fired late yesterday during a stormy meeting at the White House. The President was reportedly very upset about the leaked photos of Saddam Hussein and took the Secretary to task. Rumsfeld's appraisal of the situation was apparently not good enough and he was escorted to the West Gate of the White House complex and ejected onto the street.
                    The firing of Rumsfeld has come as a complete surprise to many in Washington. Even administration insiders can hardly believe that Don 'sacred cow' Rumsfeld has been fired. Rumsfeld has survived so many scandals nobody though that he would ever leave.
                    or
                    hat the President said "what he had to say." In other words, Bush's support for Rumsfeld would last only until the last polling station closed on Tuesday night.

                    Since it came just minutes after Speaker-elect Nancy Pelosi called for new civilian leadership at the Pentagon, the announcement of Rumsfeld's firing might be seen as an act of political expediency, a sacrificial offering to the newly powerful Democrats on Capitol Hill. And it was. But the truly expedient thing to do — the move that might actually have helped Bush and congressional Republicans when it mattered, before Election Day — would have been to fire Rumsfeld last week, last month or last year.

                    or
                    However, on the following day (a Saturday) Nixon ordered Attorney General Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refused, and resigned in protest. Nixon then ordered Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. He also refused and resigned.[5][6]
                    Nixon then ordered the Solicitor General, Robert Bork (as acting head of the Justice Department) to fire Cox. Both Richardson and Ruckelshaus had given personal assurances to the congressional oversight committee that they would not interfere, but Bork had not. Though Bork claims that he believed Nixon's order to be valid and appropriate, he considered resigning to avoid being "perceived as a man who did the President's bidding to save my job."[7] Nevertheless, having been brought to the White House by limousine and sworn in as Acting Attorney General, Bork wrote the letter firing Cox.[8] Initially, the White House claimed to have fired Ruckelshaus, but as The Washington Post article written the next day pointed out, "The letter from the President to Bork also said Ruckelshaus resigned."
                    Now if Obama doesn't want to discipline his DEA staff or move regulatory authority that he has in the OMB
                    well, that's on him.

                    It's the job of the president to lead and take hits.
                    If he doesn't want to, it's on him

                    •  Again, that may be true but what does that have (0+ / 0-)

                      to do with this case. What has she done that actually requires disciplining? I don't believe the DEA should exist at all but I just don't see how the President can fire Leonhart for doing her job. If she has become a political liability he should simply ask for her resignation but he shouldn't fire her. It would create a completely unnecessary political disaster for the Administration.

                      I think the President should at least reform the DEA's mission or disband it altogether. If that is done then it would not really matter who is or was in charge. The real problem is that the DEA has way too much power. If we don't fix that issue all the rest really don't matter?

                      Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

                      by RMForbes on Sat May 17, 2014 at 08:26:28 PM PDT

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  •  Link to Petition for those that don't Twitter: (5+ / 0-)

    http://www.change.org/...

    In a recent speech, DEA administrator Michele Leonhart criticized President Barack Obama for his acknowledgement that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol in terms of its impact on the consumer. Yet there is an abundance of research demonstrating that marijuana is in fact less harmful than alcohol...

    We call on President Obama to immediately terminate DEA Administrator Leonhart and replace her with someone who recognizes the fact that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol.

    •  Thanks Notreadytobenice (1+ / 0-)
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      I will put his in an update with hattip to you.

      Humor Alert! No statement from this UID is intended to be true, including this one. Comments and Posts intended for recreational purposes only. Unauthorized interpretations may lead to unexpected results. This waiver void where prohibited.

      by HoundDog on Fri May 16, 2014 at 08:16:44 PM PDT

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  •  Yet another Bush holdover, so Obama can show that (1+ / 0-)
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    orlbucfan

    he supports the status quo, and no one can think is he a hoop shootin', dope smokin', shuckin' and jivin' black man. Instead, they can just call him a Socialist Kenyan Moslem.  And now, the DOJ say that if you have been in prison for 10 years on drug offenses, you can apply for clemency. So the DEA can lock you up, and in 2025, you can ask the Prez to let you out.

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Fri May 16, 2014 at 10:24:41 PM PDT

  •  Clapper goes first. (2+ / 0-)
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    SamanthaCarter, lotlizard

    No one is coming to save us, the future is in our hands.

    by koNko on Fri May 16, 2014 at 10:38:48 PM PDT

  •  Can we get a two-fer and can Arne Duncan too? (2+ / 0-)
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  •  The DEA is frantically struggling to patch a crack (3+ / 0-)
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    cotterperson, orlbucfan, RMForbes

    in its bureaucratic empire.  Marijuana has them so rattled that their public pronouncements are right out of "Reefer Madness."

    Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

    by ZedMont on Sat May 17, 2014 at 02:15:54 AM PDT

  •  Leonhart's DEA career was already marred by (0+ / 0-)

    scandal before Obama appointed her to head the DEA. This was a very bad appointment. She should have been cut loose long ago.
       But her removal is increasingly necessary.
       The US can't tolerate the head of a secret police agency who feuds with the elected leadership of the nation.

  •  Isn't she the dope who, in the face of... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...overwhelming evidence that her anti-marijuana jihad is a tragic and violent farce, resorted to pleading that we should think of the poor doggies?  She is a holdover from the Dubya administration who placed faith based wishful thinking over science in setting all sorts of policies.

    Government works when you elect those who want it to. --askyron (2013)

    by Simul Iustus et Peccator on Sat May 17, 2014 at 06:12:49 AM PDT

  •  Arresting and putting people in jail for minor (1+ / 0-)
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    RMForbes

    drug offenses has become a business......and business is good.

    Some people don't want anyone to interfere with that tax payer funded gravy train.....

    especially when most of the people jailed are poor and can't afford to to buy thier own Congresspeople and lobbyists.

  •  Federal law must change. (1+ / 0-)
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    Apost8

    Having appointed her, it would be politically very difficult force the resignation of an official who is enforcing the law.  We need to repeal the Controlled Substances Act.  Courts have ruled against the states on this, so Obama and Holder are on thin ice.  Citizens can sue for the enforcement of the Controlled Substances Act the same way the Center for Biological Diversity successfully sues for the enforcement of the Endangered Species Act.

    I don't agree with raids on medical dispensaries, but I wish dumb motherfuckers would stop opening them in school zones.

    Spare me the states rights argument.  Do I even have to point out why that's a problem for progressives?

    The tide is turning for drug policy reform.  IMO, the better play at this point is to push for federal marijuana legalization, rather than pursuing actions which have the potential to blow up in our faces.

    •  Why not simply change the mission of the DEA (0+ / 0-)

      so that they no longer have veto power and control of the drug rescheduling process. Or better yet, completely disband the DEA, after all, they are a completely redundant federal agency and we really don't need them at all.

      The DEA has been standing in the way of any real scientific study of the medically beneficial cannabinoid drugs found in cannabis resins for decades, it's time we got them out of the way completely. If we did simply convert them into a strictly law enforcement agency without any control of drug placement in the Controlled Substances Act then it wouldn't really matter which idiot was in charge.

      Really don't mind if you sit this one out. My words but a whisper -- your deafness a SHOUT. I may make you feel but I can't make you think..Jethro Tull

      by RMForbes on Sat May 17, 2014 at 11:01:08 AM PDT

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  •  Fuck yeah! This nazi scumfuck needs to go. (0+ / 0-)
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