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Greg Sargent notes an interesting result from CNN's latest Obamacare survey, which found that while 54 percent of Americans believe Obamacare has helped their family or other families across the country ...

... an astonishing 72 percent of Republicans, and 64 percent of conservatives, say the law hasn’t helped anyone.
Given the drop in uninsurance rates alone, that's just delusional. But I'll cut those Republicans a wee little bit of slack, or at least I'll cut them slack if they live in a state that refused to fully implement Obamacare, because, as you can see in this chart...
Graph showing decrease in number of uninsured adults
... the key to really making Obamacare work is to actually implement it, including its Medicaid expansion. States controlled by Republicans who think Obamacare sucks generally refused to expand Medicaid. And in those states, Obamacare has not been as big a success as it has in other states.

But the key thing to remember is that the reason it hasn't helped as many people in those states as it has in other states isn't that Obamacare sucks: It's that—thanks to the Supreme Court—many Republicans refuse to implement it.

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  •  Also, too,... (24+ / 0-)

    ...staying away from Fox disinformation might boost that figure just a bit.  

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 09:47:44 AM PDT

    •  Any voice that supports T-Publicons (3+ / 0-)
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      to despise and ruin this President is the name of the game for these voters. Which is why they just love FOX.  I seriously believe they will play with the polls even when they know damn well Obamacare is helping millions. What we have going on since Obama took office is beyond spite, it's full-throated and full-throttle hatred.  Beyond reason, their moto has become, "truth be damned."

      I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

      by KayCeSF on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 10:25:20 AM PDT

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    •  The are mad that now (1+ / 0-)
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      they might have to sit next to a brown person at the Dr. office.

      In the zero-sum, right wing world, if someone get something, they are taking it from ME!!

      "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

      by greendem on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 10:33:03 AM PDT

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    •  If we want to SWITCH a Republican-held (4+ / 0-)

      state to implementing Medicaid expansion, donate to Charlie Crist's campaign in Florida.

      As a local Democrat that has known him for a long time, I'm really proud of him overcoming his trials with his conversion and his going all out as a "quote on quote" convert.  Actually, he's just being himself.  Medicaid expansion is one of his signature issues along with environment protection, equal and voting rights and funding our public schools and teachers.  

      Charlie's building a war chest of material to use against Scott, has taken public matching funds, but I still worry about his own lack of corporate and self-funding where our criminal Scott has a bottomless pit.

      Charlie's nothing like the clueless and unlikable Sink that ran to replace him as Governor or in our District 13 as an ex-Bank of America CEO that could not bother interacting with the necessary working class, younger voters or the media.  Charlie is and has always been a populist.  Fishing on his boat, Publix, anywhere...and he will start the conversation and he's always been a proud product of public education.  (St. Pete High and F.S.U.)

  •  When Wingers have fingers in their ears (9+ / 0-)

    and yell  "I can't hear you La La La"

    how do they manage to participate in a poll?

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 09:47:54 AM PDT

  •  Just TRY to take it away (6+ / 0-)

    This is the type of issue that will energize people to get out and vote!

    It also shows Republicans to be callus and uncaring.

    ACA job losses? It's not "We can't afford to keep you" but "Take this job and shove it, I can get healthcare without you".

    by Tuba Les on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 09:49:24 AM PDT

    •  Most people will blame Obama (7+ / 0-)

      if the Republicans ruin Obamacare. Their plan is to ruin it, and then say, "See, we told you it couldn't work."

      If Reagan was the answer, it must have been a very silly question.

      by shoeless on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 09:54:36 AM PDT

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    •  It sure as hell energizes ME. (1+ / 0-)
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      Tuba Les

      It seems that my history of comments on Daily Kos is predominantly a medical one, but that's okay. Please forgive the detail, but I'm not going to assume anyone has been following my comments with bated breath. :)

      In 2009, I quit my regular job to work for a small company based in Texas. Since I'm in Tennessee, I telecommute, and that means I'm an independent contractor. They don't take taxes out of my invoices, but I also don't get company insurance benefits. As a result, I entered the individual marketplace and got, well, crappy insurance. It's the old "limited benefit" kind, where they'll pay up to a certain amount for a service and the patient's on the hook for the rest.

      Under that insurance, I paid over $600 for a two-mile ambulance ride in 2010. At the beginning of 2013, my premiums were $290/month. Last year, I switched coverage by using the ACA exchange. My premium is higher - $382/month now, no subsidies - but it's for a Platinum plan with no deductible and an $1800 out-of-pocket maximum.

      I saw tangible benefits right away. My office copay dropped a little, my prescription costs dropped by 70% ($10 to $3 on generics), and this may be my imagination, but it seems like my doctor was more inclined to send me to specialists to follow up on tests. I saw a gastroenterologist twice to follow up on some elevated liver enzymes; I'm not sure that would've happened with my previous coverage.

      I officially met my OOP maximum this month, thanks to a two-night hospital stay in early June. As a result, the cardiologist appointment I have at the end of the month, the tonsillectomy I have scheduled for the next day, and the two office visits required to set all that up are all free, as any follow-up appointments will be. (Okay, I did have to pay one of the copays, but it exceeds the max and thus I should be getting a refund on it once the claims finish going through the system.)

      The only benefits I get from the ACA are the marketplace and the across-the-board policy standards - but even those have been an incredible help. I've been telling my story to everyone I can find in my very red state.

      I don't get why the GOP opposes the marketplaces. It's just the free market at work, right? They're supposed to like that...

      Former libertarian...who grew up.

      by RevBobMIB on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 02:48:26 PM PDT

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      •  I'll Tell You What Energizes ME... (1+ / 0-)
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        Tuba Les

        Is when ANY politician, Democrat or Republican...starts referring to Social Security and Medicare as "entitlements!!"

        That makes me want to spit NAILS!!

        We workers...and our employers...have paid in all our working careers, AS PER THE TERMS OF THE DEAL.


        •  Except...they ARE entitlements. (1+ / 0-)
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          Tuba Les

          We pay into those programs, therefore we are entitled to get benefits from them. That's exactly why they're called entitlement programs; that's what the words mean.

          The real problem is the idea that entitlements are somehow a form of charity and therefore a bad thing. If I've paid for it, it ain't charity. If you're backing out on a deal because it's inconvenient now that it's time to live up to the terms, that's a bad thing.

          Former libertarian...who grew up.

          by RevBobMIB on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 07:24:24 PM PDT

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          •  In THAT Context (1+ / 0-)
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            Yes.  It is an entitlement.

            And as a self-employed person who pays my own share PLUS I PAY MY EMPLOYER SHARE (since I am my own employer) I guess this makes me DOUBLE ENTITLED!!

            But I am referring to the way THEY refer to an "entitlement" as if it's a dirty word, and as if it were charity.

            It's not.

            What they are really saying, as you correct;y point out is this:

            You lived up to your end of the bargain, but we find it inconvenient and unpalatable to live up to OUR end, so we're changing the rules.  And we're going to demonize you for trying to collect what you are, in fact, owed, AS PER THE TERMS OF THE DEAL.

            We've decided we don't like the deal, so we're going to demonize you and use it as a way to foment popular opinion to allow us to change the terms of the deal to screw you out of what you paid for.

  •  Once "Obama" was put in Obamacare, (10+ / 0-)

    the Republican racism meant that they would always see it as bad.  Yes, most Republicans are racists.  Ignorant asshats.  

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    by TomP on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 09:49:52 AM PDT

    •  Crazy family story. (8+ / 0-)

      Family reunion last week with all members certified Obama haters. I've brought up my sister's situation with my mother as a classic example of how the ACA has significantly helped our family in a direct way. My neice was born with Hydrocephalu (waterhead baby) and is 22 years old now. She has been generally healhty until recently. We were having a group discussion of all these MRI's and other tests she has gone through over the past year (20 visits total). She is working through school, but has low paying service sector job right now, so I made the comment about how good it was that she was covered with insurance. My sister spoke up with a negative reaction regarding "ObamaCare" and the coverage of her daughter. Just could not believe it. We're talking over $100,000 medical bills in one year that are covered because she could simply add her daughter to her good plan and she still hates "ObamaCare".

    •  Obama/Hillary /Care (0+ / 0-)

      The hatred for Mr. Obama is palpable; but remember, they have fought health care improvement from Medicare, to Medicaid, then to when the Clintons, led by Hillary, tried to improve the system to include everyone, right up until the present. Why do they hate people so much that they don't even want them to have affordable health care insurance? They want to chop food stamps and even CHIP, and WIC, both which help infants and children in need. I feel sad for our country, and sadder for these selfish and uncaring people.

  •  "Obamacare" has been made to be so (7+ / 0-)

    emotionally charged that right wing voters fear it like kids fear "cooties". I don't mean lice, which is what the word "cooties" used to mean, but the invisible "horror" of having something that exists only in the mind. It's absolutely insane!

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 09:49:56 AM PDT

  •  Not only did many red states refuse to expand (10+ / 0-)

    Medicaid, they also obstructed the roll-out in other ways from refusing to help their citizens understand the law or sign up for it.

    They even ignored their responsibility to regulate insurance companies or enforce the consumer protections.  

    Republicans have done everything they can to make sure Americans do not benefit from the law.

    “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

    by ahumbleopinion on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 09:53:52 AM PDT

  •  You know, I have been re-reading Hillary Clinton's (8+ / 0-)

    autobiography and paying special attention to GOP obstructionism, incessant and noisome investigation, and general harassment of the Clinton administration. It all seems very, very familiar and a lot of the same players--especially behind the scenes funders--are at work here. It's made worse in Obama's case, of course, because of rank racism thinly disguised but it's not that different. A GOP-controlled Senate would surely involve some more aggressive attempts at impeachment which is why it's important to vote in November.

    The GOP hated the New Deal, but they especially hated Medicare and Medicaid, which they came to accept, sort of (always some attempt to weaken it or privatize it) and this just sends them over the edge. It's a combination of their hatred for Obama, racism, and hatred of anything that smacks of "socialized medicine" that has caused this Presidency to be harassed much like Bill Clinton was. God forfend that Obama can't keep it in his pants, or they'll really go after him.

    Same tactics, same, MO. In that way they certainly are "conservative".


    by commonmass on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 09:58:46 AM PDT

    •  So if you think of it, they've been after (2+ / 0-)
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      these kind of programs since the 30's, were reactivated in the 60's with Medicare, and are reactivated again with Obamacare. I'm hardly surprised.


      by commonmass on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 10:00:18 AM PDT

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    •  Not just hate. Abject fear. (3+ / 0-)
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      Bill Kristol explained to them that HillaryCare would strike a punishing blow against Republican claims to protect the middle class.

      The sum of all GOP fears

      Bring that forward, and add a Black President and obvious demographic shifts, plus large numbers of Republican youth falling away. The Old South package of racism, bigotry, misogyny, and so on is going down now for the third, and they fear, final time.

      And so we hope, although we have to expect some remnant to persist.  In the meantime, we have to put up with them getting louder and nastier as they purify themselves of RINOs and circle ever closer to the political drain.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 10:55:34 AM PDT

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      •  But Did The WHIGS... (0+ / 0-)

        take THIS DAMN LONG to finally go away??

        •  No, the Whigs fractured in two, North and South, (0+ / 0-)

          over the Fugitive Slave Act, and sank without trace almost immediately thereafter. It was the Federalists who took 15 years to collapse after the last time they had a President in office in 1800, and they determined to be the original Party of No to Thomas Jefferson. There followed 18 years of one-party rule, known as the Era of Good Feelings, until the Democratic-Republicans split up and the Whigs got themselves together as the second party of big business.

          I expect the Republicans to lose seats in the House this year, and to become the minority in 2016. Then I expect them to shrink away to nothing, just like the Federalists, one state at a time. Alabama and Mississippi are likely to vie with one another to be the last neo-Confederate, Tea Party state standing. But we only have to convert about a fifth of the Whites in Mississippi to make a Democratic majority, because the state is 38% Black.

          Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

          by Mokurai on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 09:42:19 PM PDT

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  •  Was in Dallas earlier this week (7+ / 0-)

    Hotel breakfast area blared Fox News constantly.  It's just pure poison on the ears and the eyes. The America that exists on that channel is not anything close to reality. The problem with having more data available is that it doesn't solve the problem of people simply manipulating it selectively to justify their own point of view or ignoring it.

    We have a lot of people in this country (particularly in red states) that live in a big bubble. How do you get them to see outside of it? It's not really within our control. I think if you keep telling the truth with some passion eventually reality and life experience will get them to deal with the truth. It would also help if progressives revisited the idea of subsidizing talk radio to talk to folks who live in these communities and more grass roots outreach with people from the communities.

    It would be great for example to have a white, male, evangelical living in Fort Worth, TX to be a vocal advocate and spokesperson for Obamacare. And not just have 1 such person, but a bunch of people so that it would be harder for the conservative crowd to stereotype, attack and dismiss such folks.  

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    by khyber900 on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 10:00:13 AM PDT

    •  I Volunteer (0+ / 0-)

      In Raleigh, NC.

      Seriously....I used to host a public-access cable show when I lived in Austin, TX - and my show basically dealt with the Issues Du Jour...and my take on them.

      The show was called DWI - my three-letter attitude on life, "Deal With IT."

      I even used to put up a disclaimer at the beginning on my show - "The views expressed here are those of the host only, and in no way reflect the views of this station or Time Warner Cable.  The more conservative your political views are, the more likely this show is to PISS YOU OFF.

      You have been warned.

      Deal With It.

      •  ONE OF The Things I Loved Doing (0+ / 0-)

        on that show was introducing bits about Dumbya...

        I always started off with a sting from one of two different songs:

        1. King Of The Fools - by Twisted Sister


        2. The Logical Song - by Supertramp

        Both were a good way to start talking about Dumbya.

  •  if the designers of these studies want to know why (7+ / 0-)

    these republicans are such idiots they only have to factor talk radio listenership

    it's a fucking shame so few pollsters include that factor- it would answer a lot of questions

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 10:00:59 AM PDT

  •  The ACA doesn't help the constituents of the GOP (5+ / 0-)

    David Koch has his own insurance.

    Slow thinkers - keep right

    by Dave the Wave on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 10:02:35 AM PDT

    •  And so does Bill, and Paris and (0+ / 0-)

      the 6 Walmart heirs. These are the only ones paying extra. (the tax on unearned income of over a quarter million dollars)

      Thanks Democrats! My Obamacare is permanent coverage no one can take away - and saving $3,000 is nice too

      by sotiredofusernames on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 01:56:08 PM PDT

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  •  Let's hope we don't get a sudden SCOTUS (3+ / 0-)
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    surprise on federal vs state exchanges.

    That would create a lot of  very unhappy customers -- myself included.

    I think it would go worse for Republicans than for Democrats, but I'm not sure because the Court, technically speaking, is neither one.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 10:03:39 AM PDT

    •  I think it would go worse for Republicans than for (0+ / 0-)

      Democrats, because SCOTUS, technically speaking, is neither one, practically speaking, it is about as Republican as it can get without going the Tea Party route.  The three ladies on the bench fume about it, but the six gentlemen always have their way.

      "Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out." ~ John Wooden

      by Terry S on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 05:42:56 AM PDT

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  •  I wouldn't trust any CNN poll (1+ / 0-)
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    There was just a poll out saying 70% of republicans like Obamacare.I think what CNN is doing is playing with words.I bet  they asked questions to get the result they wanted.Mainly because the poll that came out last week said most including republicans like Obamacare.

  •  I wish they had pushed leaners. (0+ / 0-)

    49% of ind's think it hasn't helped any families so a breakdown would have been nice.

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 10:06:32 AM PDT

  •  I Cant Stop Thinking (3+ / 0-)

    That there are actually upright walking humans in those states that are getting fucked out of life saving insurance by Republicans who are voting for....republicans.

    Its a hard thing to wrap your head around. Absolutely staggering.

  •  72% republicans, 64% conservatives.... (2+ / 0-)
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    You mean there are republicans who aren't considered conservatives? On what planet?

    Just another day in Oceania.

    by drshatterhand on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 10:07:19 AM PDT

  •  Maybe CNN should try polling their (1+ / 0-)
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    Beltway colleagues. I'd be surprised if the numbers look very different.

    "Think of something to make the ridiculous look ridiculous." -- Molly Ivins

    by dumpster on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 10:08:07 AM PDT

  •  Ya know, I hope you all read this. (8+ / 0-)

    Best damn article I've read in a long time about President Obama.  I've read many similar to it, but this guy just slams with eloquent realism and I enjoyed reading every word!

    The best worst president ever

    “Obama is the worst thing to ever happen to this country,” declares the wealthy, rakish, silver-haired Newport Beach white guy to his small group of perfectly tanned 50-something females sitting just a few feet away from us at a stunning restaurant patio overlooking the sun-kissed California coastline, just off of Highway 1, as he sipped his pinot and adjusted his wraparound Ray Bans, flush from the economy’s spectacular recovery that has benefitted his exact demographic most of all, stroking his purebred dog and taking various selfies with their $500 phones, oblivious to the furious swirls of irony and hypocrisy fluttering just above their heads.

    I laughed out loud. Couldn’t help it; [...]

    Yeah, reading this made my day!

    I would rather spend my life searching for truth than live a single day within the comfort of a lie. ~ John Victor Ramses

    by KayCeSF on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 10:08:42 AM PDT

    •  Love Mark Morford (1+ / 0-)
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      and his POV.

      "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

      by Sybil Liberty on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 11:18:11 AM PDT

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    •  We've lost a few retired great writers (1+ / 0-)
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      at the Tampa Bay Times but one of my favorites that writes flowing and blisteringly smart commentary on elected officials, mostly in Florida, is Daniel Ruth.  I used to call him a lot with ideas and praised the heck out of him with his writing abilities.  He often writes about Rubio and Scott, but regardless of knowing the characters or not, his columns are worth reading for "oh yeah, I wish I could write like that".  

      I went to college knowing that our high school English preparation sucked (even though I was an "A" student) and sure enough, aced my biology/chemistry base and worked double hard for B's in the mandatory English/writing classes.

      •  High school English preparation sucks even worse (0+ / 0-)

        today.  Back in the good old days, in the late 1950s, we had to learn to parse sentences.  We had to know the names of the parts of speech and we had to learn to recognize words belonging to each part.

        We had to know a lot more than that, too.  And we had to KNOW it, not just memorize it.  We got it done because our teachers didn't have to deal with disruptive students, classrooms had only 30 students in them, and students were allowed to help each other learn.

        "Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out." ~ John Wooden

        by Terry S on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 05:53:49 AM PDT

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  •  All this does is confirm that Republicans are c... (3+ / 0-)
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    I love OCD, a2nite, gypsyrose

    All this does is confirm that Republicans are completely out of their freaking little minds.

  •  Another possibility: their friends aren't talking (6+ / 0-)

    Whether you believe that the ACA is helping your friends and family members likely depends on what they tell you. I don't know about you, but among my friends, people don't go around blabbing about what health insurance they have. Most of my friends probably had no idea that I was uninsured for several years -- I didn't even discuss it with my family, because I knew my mother would be critical of me. Now I do once in a while mention that I've got Obamacare insurance. But if I lived in a red anti-Obama state, or had friends who were rabidly anti-Obama, I would just keep quiet.

    These are the same people who believe that no one they know would ever, ever, have an abortion -- because the people who have had one keep very very quiet about it. (That's true among even my liberal friends, but I would answer "yes" if asked.)

    I don't know how you break through this to demonstrate that ACA (and abortion, and birth control) do matter to "people like you, people you know and care about."

  •  This surprises you, how?? (1+ / 0-)
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    They create their own hermetically sealed delusion that truth or logic cannot penetrate. Facts are not kind to the right wing, so they create this angry bubble of bullshit, and their propagandists preach its misery 24x7. Sadly, the obtuse and emotionally fragile aren't able to discern the manipulative schtick, and fall victim to it.
    The problem with running this schtick is that it can't stagnate, else it will become obvious that it is a lie. That's why it bops around frenetically from "outrage" to "outrage." This keeps their audience from focusing too much on one "issue", and in a quasi-schizoid state.
    It's equal parts cruel and dangerous. It's also the only thing they have left.

  •  Poll appears to lack one important metric (1+ / 0-)
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    It did not appear to provide specific results for states that expanded Medicaid versus states that did not expand Medicaid.

    I would be curious whether the "72 percent of Republicans, and 64 percent of conservatives, say the law hasn’t helped anyone" figures are even higher in non-expanding states, and lower in expanding states.

    Either way, the poll demonstrates continued Republican hate as well as ignorance of the truth.

  •  and of course (2+ / 0-)
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    it's the Republican controlled states that were in worse off shape to begin with.

  •  They're lying. eom. (0+ / 0-)

    Well, almost eom...

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 10:32:41 AM PDT

  •  It depends what your definition of "help" is. (1+ / 0-)
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    mjd in florida

    Did it help all of those moochers get off the welfare and pick themselves up by their bootstraps? Then by GOP definition, it didn't help.

    It is not the private interests of the individual that create lasting fellowship among men, but rather the goals of humanity. ~ The I Ching, 13th Hexagram

    by Blue Intrigue on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 10:55:30 AM PDT

    •  It really DID help all those moochers who had (0+ / 0-)

      bootstraps to pull themselves up with - consider the Koch brothers and Romney and others like them who inherited small or large fortunes from their daddies so that their boots CAME with straps with which to pull themselves up.

      "Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out." ~ John Wooden

      by Terry S on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 06:00:05 AM PDT

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  •  The first question is whether it helped (1+ / 0-)
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    mjd in florida

    Real Americans, none of whom, by definition, signed up for it.

    For many on the Right, the stock argument is that government programs for the poor and the struggling cannot help because they just make the culture of dependency worse. So they can be aware of the numbers of signups, and even numbers and stories of people getting health care, even lives saved, and still claim that the ACA helped nobody.

    Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

    by Mokurai on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 11:06:59 AM PDT

    •  Simple question is did it any Republican? Or did (0+ / 0-)

      not one single Republican/conservative even sign up for any ACA coverage??

      Let's find out (if we can) just how many Republicans/conservatives are on the ACA plan.  

      That's the real question.

      “My soul is from elsewhere, I'm sure of that, and I intend to end up there." - Rumi

      by LamontCranston on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 03:52:24 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  What people forget (or not)... (1+ / 0-)
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    It is amazing that some people continue to think that the Teabag led GOP has the American people in their best interest.  They do not.  They are the party of the wealthy and corporate exploiters.  They continue at ever turn to decry any and all social programs and services, all under the guise of "protecting" our freedoms.

    In this case, they (here I am referring to insurance corporations speaking through their GOP lapdogs) continue to tell the American people that in this great country of ours we deserve the best healthcare system that money can buy.  And that can only happen if they (again the blood sucking healthcare insurance industry) are free to determine exactly what kind of great healthcare should be available (of course, while maximizing their outrageous profit margins).

    If helping out my neighbors when they are down is socialism, well then, count me in. --M. Warren McGovern

    by M Warren McGovern on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 11:13:19 AM PDT

  •  The last line should read... (0+ / 0-)

    "It's that—thanks to the Supreme Court—many Republicans refuse to implement it suck.

  •  Wait.. how did non-expanding states (0+ / 0-)

    drop uninsured by 2.5% without, seemingly, doing anything?

    And this brings up another question I have had for some time now...

    Medicaid is is a temporary benefit based on income.  How much will this change year-to-year and how many will go ff Medicaid once the economy picks up again?

  •  Stop and think about (0+ / 0-)

    what level of awareness it takes to identify one's self as a Republican..

  •  I beleive the people who are self-identifying (0+ / 0-)

    as Republicans are parroting what they hear on the tee-vee.  I don't believe they are truly answering what they believe.  It's something I noticed recently.  Family members who self-identify as GOP quickly answer the question and then move on.  It's only when you challenge them on the point do they really think about it.  Then depending on how stubborn they are answer what they heard or what they believe.  Whereas my family members who identify as Democratic tend to think about it for a moment and give their own opinion.

    I think polls are unfair to those who lack reading comprehension and critical thinking skills.  In other words polls are beyond the reach of most self-identifying Republicans.  I see these polls as more or less indicators to how well the messaging has been received.  Think about it.  It's the only thing that explains the results because ...facts.

  •  The GOP conveniently forgets that it was (0+ / 0-)

    ROMNEYcare before it was Obamacare. @$$holes!

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Wed Jul 23, 2014 at 09:13:44 PM PDT

  •  Really, this is help? (0+ / 0-)

    Let me see, my medical plan from my employer now carries a $4000 deductible. They are considering dropping employer offered insurance completely in February... This $4000 deductible has gone up $1000 per year since ACA has passed.

    We now offer "Major Medical" plans to every person in America... Minimum wage workers get plans with $3000+ deductibles... This has not changed a thing... Those minimum wage workers can't afford to pay the deductible so how has them having insurance saved me from having to pay for what hospitals and doctors cannot collect?

    Sure when you look as superficially as people who have insurance, you can boast massive numbers of help... Help is NOT major medical, help is quality, AFFORDABLE health insurance!

  •  Republic*nts (0+ / 0-)

    it never ceases to amaze me how far these guys will go just to defeat Obama, regardless of the effects on our citizens.  I sure hope the voter polls reflect this hypocrisy.  I mean, patriots, really??

    the world is my country, all mankind are my brethren and to do good is my religion - Thomas Paine

    by jpatudi on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 10:14:30 AM PDT

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