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From the LA Times.

t. Louis County police officer has reportedly shot and critically wounded a man who police say pointed a handgun at the officer early Wednesday in Ferguson, Mo., where the fatal shooting of an unarmed young black man by an officer has triggered demonstrations, street clashes and looting.
The other thing that's notable about the article is this paragraph:
Throughout Tuesday night and early Wednesday morning, scores of demonstrators faced off with riot police in Ferguson, with some protesters leaving peacefully and others being forced away by tear gas.
Because if you wait until you're attacked to leave you aren't leaving peacefully.

You can Donate to support people who have been arrested during the anti-police demonstrations in Ferguson. I'm sure they can use all the help they can get out there.

8:08 AM PT: There was also a police shooting in LA discussed in a different diary. So now we've got one dead in Ferguson, one dead in LA, and one person in critical condition in Ferguson.

Let's hope it stops there.

Originally posted to Occupy Wall Street on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 07:55 AM PDT.

Also republished by Police Accountability Group.

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  •  You are leaving some things out. (19+ / 0-)

    There were two shootings last night.  Neither appear to be like the shooting of Michael Brown.

    St. Louis Post Dispatch

    At about 1 a.m. Wednesday, a St. Louis County Police officer shot and critically wounded a man who police said pointed a handgun at the officer near the intersection of West Florissant and Chambers Road.

    The shooting happened near Chambers and Sheffingdell Court, not far from the site of protests against police over Saturday's fatal shooting of Michael Brown. The location is in unincorporated St. Louis County, less than a mile from the QuikTrip in Ferguson that was looted and burned Sunday night.

    Police said they received a call reporting about four to five men in the area armed with shotguns and wearing ski masks. They also got reports of shots fired in the area. Police officers arrived and saw "multiple subjects running," said police spokesman Officer Brian Schellman.

    An officer approached one of the men, who pulled a handgun on the officer, Schellman said. The officer then fired, Schellman said.

    Police said they recovered the handgun at the scene. The man was taken to a hospital.

    Officers cleared the shooting scene shortly before 5 a.m. By 6:30 a.m., the streets were quiet and school buses were running.

    Tayonda Garrett and her daughter Dazira Moody, 4, walked past the bloody aftermath of the shooting in the Woodlands Apartments parking lot on their way to Dazira's school.

    Garrett said she had been home at the time of shooting and heard four shots, then saw men running.

    Police had not released any additional information on the shooting by 10 a.m. Wednesday, including the man's name, age and condition.

    UPDATED at 1:15 a.m.

    About 12:20 a.m. Wednesday, a woman was shot in the head in the 1300 block of Highmont Drive, west of West Florissant Avenue near the QuikTrip gas station, St. Louis County Police said. It appeared to be a drive-by shooting and police said they were looking for four or five men. The woman was shot once and is expected to survive. It was unknown if the shooting was related to the protests in the area.

    Protesters seemed to have mostly left the area but a crowd gathered at West Florissant and Chambers Road shortly after midnight, facing off with a line of police officers.  Police deployed tear gas into the crowd as they advanced east.

    We want justice for Michael Brown.  These shootings (one by a police officer) and one by someone else) are not like what happened to Michael Brown, based on the evidence to date.  It is even possible the two are related.

    No justice, no peace.  Keep your eyes on the injustice.

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:09:52 AM PDT

    •  So is there an application process to do this? (2+ / 0-)
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    •  I don't trust the word of the cops for a second (21+ / 0-)

      That's why this matters. They said that Brown had tackled the officer in the car and that was bullshit, now they say, or at least imply, this person was both part of a drive by shooting and also on foot.

      Either way, it is pertinent news.

      And I want justice for all the young black men who are killed by the police. Just because the cops say he had a gun doesn't mean anything. They can plant a gun easily.

      We don't know the story on this shooting. That's the story.

      The story on the shooting in LA is important though and I hope that everyone goes over there and recs that diary.

      No War but Class War

      by AoT on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:33:11 AM PDT

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      •  All cops always lie? (6+ / 0-)

        You come in knowing the truth and the facts be damned.  I prefer facts.  

        They don't imply at all.  The Post newspaper reported the two.  

        Some cops do lie; some cops are criminals.  Not all cops are criminals, though   And when you claim to know truth before any facts, you lose credibility.  

        Your ideology may lead you one way, but facts matter.  

        We want justice for Michael Brown.  

        I'll follow Sharpton and other activists on the ground here.

        Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

        by TomP on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:39:57 AM PDT

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        •  Where did I say all cops always lie? (8+ / 0-)

          I said I don't trust the what the cops say. They may be telling the truth but I'd like some corroboration. And no, a newspaper report telling everyone what the police said is not reporting facts, it's stenography.

          And I want justice for Brown as well, please don't put your righteous bullshit on me for distrusting a police department that we already know lied. They've given reason to distrust them, so why would you trust them? If only they'd planted a gun next to Mike Brown, then you wouldn't have a word to say about another dead black man, would you?

          No War but Class War

          by AoT on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:53:08 AM PDT

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        •  I've been following reports from ppl on the grd (12+ / 0-)

          Including people and reporters actually from the area, like Antonio French and the others I mentioned downthread. He pointed out that lots of people were wearing masks last night because cops were firing tear gas everywhere. He actually posted photos from the arrests and of the woman injured.

          Believe the sanitized and cop-friendly version of events put out by the cops themselves if you want to, but a one sided version of events from the very people who shot someone has an inherent bias built into it. Cops have covered for each other and lied so much that I am not willing to immediately and credulously believe their version of events.

          YMMV.

          •  Correct about ski masks. (6+ / 0-)

            Just posted this in MB's post.

            Antonio French @AntonioFrench  ·  23m
            People also need to understand that the young men wearing "masks" on their faces started doing that after police started using tear gas.
            As for sanitized versions, so far there is no evidence that it was wrongful .  I'm fine with skepticism, but I don't prejudge.    

            We undermine all calls for justice if we jump on everything and turn out to be wrong.  

            The people here like Antonio French, who I have met and have read for a long time, and Rev. Sharpton, and Shaid, and Zaki and others know what they are doing.  There will be pressure to find out what happened.  

            Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

            by TomP on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:57:24 AM PDT

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            •  you are prejudging by assuming the police (1+ / 0-)
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              had reason to kill him. You assume the police were telling the truth, that's prejudging.

              No War but Class War

              by AoT on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:03:43 AM PDT

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              •  I did nothing of the sort. (3+ / 1-)
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                Your comment is ridiculous.

                Do you know what the words "no evidence" mean?   As an attorney I do.  At this point, there is no evidence it is wrongful.

                You assume wrongful regardless of facts.  

                It's important to your ideology; I understand that.  

                Assume what you wish.  

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                by TomP on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:08:13 AM PDT

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                •  And there is no evidence it was justified either (1+ / 0-)
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                  I understand that it is important to your ideology to treat the police as if they don't lie and trust what they say, given that you're a lawyer that's not terribly surprising. But I'm not talking about the law, I'm talking about a department that is already lying about shooting someone.

                  You can give them the benefit of the doubt, I will remain reasonably distrustful.

                  You assume wrongful regardless of facts.  
                  You're just putting words in my mouth. I'm not assuming that it was wrongful, I'm simply not taking the word of the police on the issue. you've literally made up the fact that I am assuming it's wrongful whole cloth.

                  And you're going to lecture me on ideology? Get serious.

                  No War but Class War

                  by AoT on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:13:55 AM PDT

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            •  Who are Shaid and Zaki? (0+ / 0-)

              I only learned of Mr. French a few days ago, but he does seen great and I've been reading his Twitter feed and watching his Vines. I'm not familiar with Shaid or Zaki - are they also good people to be checking in with for info on what's happening?

          •  CenPhx - do ski masks help moderate the (2+ / 0-)
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            effect of tear gas?

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            by VClib on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:01:53 AM PDT

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            •  They certainly can, yes n/t (4+ / 0-)
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              No War but Class War

              by AoT on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:04:00 AM PDT

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              •  I am surprised given that ski masks have openings (3+ / 0-)
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                for your eyes, nose and mouth. I have been exposed to tear gas many times and the gas seems very effective at causing discomfort even when people are using an actual gas mask, if the mask has not been properly fitted.

                How do the moderating elements of the ski mask actually work?

                "let's talk about that" uid 92953

                by VClib on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:09:55 AM PDT

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                •  Not all of them have mouth openings (5+ / 0-)

                  And that's one of the main places tear gas or pepper spray can get in. And it it rather easy to pull the mask up to cover your mouth if there is a mouth hole.

                  Plus, I'd imagine most of these folks aren't terribly experienced with riots and dealing with tear gas, so they may not know what they're doing. And who knows if they were actually ski masks and not some other thing.

                  Which is all only to say that wearing masks t a riot is not some super sketchy thing to do. Obviously pulling a gun is and if the cops had installed the car cameras they had sitting in storage we might already have evidence one way or the other on this.

                  No War but Class War

                  by AoT on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:17:04 AM PDT

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                  •  Mesh os a typical ski mask (3+ / 0-)
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                    is too large to be effective.

                    In my limited experience, you need fine-meshed cloth and dampening it helps.

                    Good point on lack of experience, though. I can see someone at least thinking it would help.

                    "With all this manure around, there has to be a pony somewhere!" - Count Piotr Vorkosigan

                    by jrooth on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:32:50 AM PDT

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                    •  And I would expect that a lot of folks (2+ / 0-)
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                      also just want to hide their face from the cops if they're protesting. I don't know if there were still protests happening when this happened, but I'd bet that the cops will retaliate later on against people who are protesting.

                      No War but Class War

                      by AoT on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:36:40 AM PDT

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                    •  Having a bottle of water (3+ / 0-)
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                      to splash on a hanky.... keeping them at the ready.....

                      .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

                      by Roger Fox on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:57:52 AM PDT

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                •  Yeah this makes no sense to me either. (2+ / 0-)
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                  The effects of tear gas are to the eyes and to the respiratory system - neither of which is shielded by a ski mask.

                  "With all this manure around, there has to be a pony somewhere!" - Count Piotr Vorkosigan

                  by jrooth on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:27:01 AM PDT

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            •  I think everyone else already answered. (2+ / 0-)
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              But I'll explain why I mentioned that the protestors were wearing masks - Antonio French, who was at the protests, described the fact that protesters starting wearing the masks after officers shot the tear gas and he brought this up specifically in relation to the police report about having shot and killed a man wearing a mask who was carrying a gun.

              I've never been tear gassed, so I couldn't give you an ounce of info about it, but the people being gassed were wearing masks, according to credible eyewitnesses.

            •  No (0+ / 0-)

              I spent 5 years in the Army Chemical Corps, much of that time running gas chamber exercises on a regular basis, and rags and ski masks and the like may make you feel better but they can't filter any riot control agent, and offer no protection for the most vulnerable body part, the eyes.

              Closing your eyes and not breathing WILL work, for however long you can maintain it.

              Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

              by The Baculum King on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 02:19:17 PM PDT

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              •  Masks with vinegar will help (0+ / 0-)

                And in my experience even just water on a bandanna over your mouth with help.

                No War but Class War

                by AoT on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 02:30:17 PM PDT

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                •  Good Luck With That (0+ / 0-)

                  Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

                  by The Baculum King on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 02:31:04 PM PDT

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                  •  It's worked more than once before (0+ / 0-)

                    So luck is hardly needed. It isn't as if I know nothing about protests my friend.

                    No War but Class War

                    by AoT on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 02:38:48 PM PDT

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                    •  Vinegar is Acidic (0+ / 0-)

                      Which is the last thing you want to add to any riot control agent. A baking soda solution would be better, but still largely futile. There are counter-acting wipes sold to decontaminate with, some work fairly well, depending on the agent used (and the concentration).

                      But, since you have amply demonstrated over and over that you already know everything, carry on.

                      Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

                      by The Baculum King on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 02:55:54 PM PDT

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                      •  So telling you my experience is knowing (0+ / 0-)

                        everything? It may simply be the wetness that helps filter the gas. Have you even been targeted by tear gas?

                        No War but Class War

                        by AoT on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 03:04:15 PM PDT

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                        •  I'll Type This Slowly For You (0+ / 0-)

                          For the last 5 years of my enlistment my MOS (Military Occupational Specialty) was 54E, Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Operations Specialist, at the E-5 and E-6 level. I was "targeted" by every chemical agent in our inventory in the late '70s and early '80s. I spent three years doing CAIC (Chemical Accident/Incident Control) for the European Theater, including working several incidents in France (when they were out of NATO) when WWI munitions were breached. I also ran a few hundred "mask confidence exercises" wherein participants entered my gas chamber with protective masks on and were required to breach the seal so they could experience the protective value of their equipment. I was notorious for running the "hottest" chamber in the Army. I have shat more CS than you will ever be exposed to.

                          I also largely wrote the Recon portion of FM 3-87.

                          That tree you're barking up? Wrong one.

                          Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

                          by The Baculum King on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 03:18:23 PM PDT

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                          •  Here's the thing (0+ / 0-)
                            I have shat more CS than you will ever be exposed to.
                            I don't doubt this for a second. I'm not talking about sitting in a room getting gassed. It's entirely different conditions.

                            No War but Class War

                            by AoT on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 03:26:08 PM PDT

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                          •  The Agent Doesn't Change (1+ / 0-)
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                            I employed CS in the field, in every possible configuration, from pure powder poured from the back of a jeep onto dusty tank trails at Fort Hood (tankers really loved that), loaded into smoke generators to gas helicopter pilots making holes in my smoke (had a two-star negotiate a truce on that one), in smoke pots and grenades and dispersal systems. Once gassed an admin company barracks when they were fucking with our pay over a romance gone bad (pay got straightened right the fuck out).

                            Protection from a chemical agent, any chemical agent, requires more than a rag or ski mask.

                            Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

                            by The Baculum King on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 03:33:34 PM PDT

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                          •  The dispersal agent doesn't matter? (0+ / 0-)

                            Or whatever they put it in to make it a gas doesn't matter?

                            I'm just curious now, because it didn't seem like it was psychosomatic at the time, but clearly it would have had to be.

                            No War but Class War

                            by AoT on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 03:39:37 PM PDT

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                          •  The Concentration Will Vary (1+ / 0-)
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                            We couldn't use pure CS on anybody but ourselves, to employ it against anybody else we had to cut it 1:1 with technical talc. Used as a aerosol (ie. pepper spray) it's usually in alcohol as a carrier.

                            IF one knows in advance that exposure is likely (and carrying/wearing a protective mask isn't an option) the purpose-made decon wipes would be better than nothing, as would regular baby wipes.

                            While breathing it is bad, with all the attendant choking and coughing and vomiting, it's really the effect on the eyes that usually debilitates. Then when you (naturally) rub your eyes with it on your hand...

                            Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

                            by The Baculum King on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 04:01:51 PM PDT

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      •  I really wonder whose fingerprints... (6+ / 0-)

        they find on that gun they "recovered" at the scene? Sounds like complete bullshit once again from a bunch of lying cops. But these cops already know it was his gun. If you notice the statement says, the recovered "the" handgun, not "a" handgun. Would not put it past any of these Ferguson cops to toss a handgun on the ground.

    •  Problem is, Tom, those are police reports. (9+ / 0-)

      If we know nothing, we know one damn thing: The Police is not to trusted when it comes to black people. They lie. They murder. And then they lie some more to cover up their asses. They view us as "fucking animals," even though they wouldn't treat animals the way they treat our sons.

      Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

      by JoanMar on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:35:04 AM PDT

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  •  This one isn't exactly like the other 2. nt (4+ / 0-)
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  •  I went to the "donate" link ... (3+ / 0-)
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    Since I didn't see any local organization I am familiar with, I'm skeptical that money would actually get to the people who need bail money.

  •  What's the state of Open Carry Missouri? (3+ / 0-)
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    Or for that matter SYG laws in Missouri?

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    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
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    by polecat on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:22:11 AM PDT

    •  From Wiki (2+ / 0-)
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      Open carry

      Missouri does allow open carry of firearms for those age 18 or older. However, city, county, and municipalities are allowed to pass laws and ordinances restricting this.[5] It is advisable to check local laws and ordinances before openly carrying a firearm within Missouri.

      From Open Carry MO
      While open carry is generally legal in Missouri, their preemption statute is unique in that it preempts the entire field of firearms lawexcept for the regulation of open carry. Consequently, carrying openly in Missouri will expose you to a checkerboard of local ordinances.
      Missouri | OpenCarry.org
      www.opencarry.org/?page_id=263
      So, it seems to depend on the city or county.

      Here's a photo of some folks openly carrying unmolested at a Starbucks in St. Louis.  Guess what color their skin is?
      http://www.stltoday.com/...

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      by middleagedhousewife on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:46:22 AM PDT

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  •  Thanks for the heads up. (8+ / 0-)

    Here are some good Twitter feeds I've been watching. The first is from a local elected official, a city alderman or some such. He has been great:

    Antonio French @AntonioFrench

    Matt Pearce @mattdpearce

    Joel D Anderson @blackink12

    I don't know how to make those live links to the accounts - sorry! But there are great photos and short clips on each account, including one of the woman who was shot, a photo of an absolute wall of cops blocking off the town and one of a protestors throwing a can a tear gas back at the cops.

    •  On a related note: (3+ / 0-)
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      Have you checked out the hashtag #IfTheyGunnedMeDown yet? If not, do!

      After the media picked a photo of victim Mike Brown that seems to be an attempt to show him as a "thug" instead of one of the many average photos of him, much as they did with Trayvon Martin, people have been flooding social media with photos of themselves that would most likely fit the black man as thug or gangbanger narrative, highlighting the ones the media would instead use in case they were shot and killed.

      Here is a good article from The Root which includes some examples.

  •  Did anyone watch Rachel last night? (12+ / 0-)

    She had the stats on Ferguson, MO. All kinds of them They pretty much prove extremely unequal treatment of black people by police, from traffic stops on down the line. Very enlightening, they were.

    Being "pro-life" means believing that every child born has a right to food, education, and access to health care.

    by Jilly W on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 08:40:04 AM PDT

  •  with respect there were shootings prior to (3+ / 0-)
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    the Michael Brown episode for example a woman was shot fatally in a drive-by the night before the cops gunned an unarmed man down

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    by annieli on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:26:01 AM PDT

  •  One startling fact, AOT, they are all black boys (7+ / 0-)

    or men.

    There was also a police shooting in LA discussed in a different diary. So now we've got one dead in Ferguson, one dead in LA, and one person in critical condition in Ferguson.
    There is a war on black men.
    And they weren't the ones who damn near brought the world's economy to it's knees.
    They aren't the ones raping and plundering the national piggy bank of this country and leaving the vast majority of us hanging on by our fingernails. Their forefathers weren't the ones who enslaved, dehumanized, and exploited people of other races. But they are the ones being looked at as savages and as "fucking animals."
    This is a crisis.

    Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

    by JoanMar on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:42:36 AM PDT

    •  It is a crisis (4+ / 0-)

      And I suspect it's been going on for a while now under the radar of most people. Well, most white people. What I see happening more and more is that fewer and fewer people believe the police in these sort of situations. More people are calling bullshit when a cop claims that he had to shoot a young black man in the back because  he thought the wallet the young black man was carrying was a gun.

      Fewer and fewer people are buying their bullshit. It may have taken a few white women getting pepper sprayed, along with Scott Olsen getting shot in the head with a rubber bullet, but a lot more folks realize what the cops really are about now.

      Now the war on black men is becoming completely obvious to everyone. I've been surprised at the number of people who outright believe a young black man who says the cops are lying. Five years ago that wouldn't happen, at least not to the extent it does now. It's given me some hope that things can change, although as a practical matter I haven't seen a lot of suggestions as to what can be done. There are virtually no politicians talking about reigning in the police. DeBlasio being the exception when it comes to stop and frisk. We'll see how he reacts to the recent killing by the NYPD.

      No War but Class War

      by AoT on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:54:06 AM PDT

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      •  It's not that they believe the young black man, (4+ / 0-)

        you know. It's because they cannot refute what they are seeing with their own eyes via the video cams. We have been giving eyewitness accounts of these happenings for decades and people refused to believe.
        Thank God for smartphones and dash cams.

        Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

        by JoanMar on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:01:56 AM PDT

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        •  That's a huge part of it (4+ / 0-)

          But I haven't seen any video of this specific killing and I've seen a lot of people who are taking the witnesses at their word. I think it's because we've seen again and again how the cops lie about these things, and how the legal system supports them in their lies.

          But then again, I know a lot of radicals, so I'm probably not a good bell weather for white america. But more and more people are seeing these boys that the cops are killing as boys. There's an empathy there that I don't remember seeing. I don't know if that translates beyond this at all though. A lot of people still see these as singular incidences, no matter how horrible they think the incidences are.

          And of course, people still won't listen to black folks about what's going on, and what's been going on. I'm putting a diary up on that later today, hopefully. Jut watching how people act toward black DailyKos members here is outrageous at times.

          No War but Class War

          by AoT on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:14:03 AM PDT

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          •  It would be a worthwhile exercise to (3+ / 0-)
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            AoT, poleshifter, Denise Oliver Velez

            sift through and find just how the murder of Big Mike became national news. I suspect that it may have something to do with the murder of Eric Garner and the conviction of Theodore Wafer for the murder of Renisha.
            And you are correct that there was no video tape this time around, just as there wasn't one for Trayvon.
            Hopeful signs. Times may just be achanging.

            Maya Angelou: “There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure truth.”

            by JoanMar on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:25:30 AM PDT

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  •  Tomorrow night there's a national vigil (5+ / 0-)

    If your community hasn't organized one yet, there's still time.  I offer the following to help you do just that. Time to hit the streets, homies!

    Here's the FB event for the one here in my hometown...

    https://www.facebook.com/...

    And here's the press release:

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    National Day of Silence in Remembrance of Mike Brown and John Crawford,

    Two Young Black Men Murdered by Police Brutality

    Thursday, August 14th, 6:45pm, National Moment of Silence – 7:20pm

    Gainesville Police Department, 545 NW 8th Ave

    Contact: Nailah Summers (786) 925-8482

    Wild Iris Books will join other community members to participate in the National Moment of Silence in response to the recent killings of black boys and young men by the hands of police officers. Over the past two weeks alone, Mike Brown was shot multiple times in Ferguson, Missouri and John Crawford was gunned down in an Ohio Wal-Mart. Both men were unarmed.

    A ceremony led by community members will include speakers, a eulogy and a reading of names of young black lives that have been ended by the cruelty of our police systems. Community members are planning a gathering where we will honor the lives of these young people as well as share in our grief so we can move towards healing as a community and a country.

    A crowd will peacefully gather in front of the Gainesville Police Department at 545 NW 8th Ave starting at 6:30pm. At 7:20pm we will join other locations across the country in a national moment of silence. Local organizers have set up an event for locals to make signs of protest for Wednesday night, August 13th, at 7pm in The Courtyard / Wild Iris Books on South Main and 5th Ave.

    While the Department of Justice continues to investigate the death of Mike Brown, Gainesville citizens will stand together against all forms of police brutality and abuse at the hands of those put in place to protect us. Local organizers will request that GPD publically condemn the recent killings and also request that they provide us with statistics on minority abuse and accidental killings in our own community.

    Civic Media Center Co-coordinator and event organizer, Nailah Summers invites all members of the community to join the rally, “Gainesville stands against police brutality and targeted, systematic killing of black bodies. Join us in this moment of solidarity.”

    If you don't like it, attack the message, not the messenger. The former may convince me that I am wrong, but the latter will always convince that I am right.

    by nancyjones on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:03:04 AM PDT

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