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Reposted from Kossacks for Marriage Equality by marykk Editor's Note: I hate a sore loser. -- marykk

It's a tough time to be on the wrong side of history right now. The side that constantly crows "Let the people vote!" lost 62-38 on Friday. Of course, democracy only matters to them when it goes their way. When it goes against them, it's not because a majority of people actually supported the position supported by a majority of people. It's because we're intolerant or something.

Take NOM's hilarious response. devtob has covered it already, but there's one particular part I want to pick apart.

They said:

This is a reflection on the increasingly secularized nature of Ireland, together with the utter abandonment of principle by every political party in the nation, all of whom endorsed the referendum. This, combined with intense harassment of any group or individual who spoke out in opposition to the referendum, made it difficult for opponents. Despite this, hundreds of thousands of Irish citizens stood to vote to uphold the truth of marriage as the union of one man and one woman.
Firstly, I don't understand where an abandonment of principle has occurred. Oh, that's right. An abandonment of their principle, their principle of bigotry and inequality, occurred. Of course, to them, that means an abandonment of principle in general, because no other principle exists, such as liberty, equality and justice.

After that, they say that "intense harassment" of the No side (while offering absolutely no evidence) made it impossible for them. But the very next sentence is them saying that "hundreds of thousands of Irish citizens" voted against equality. (They initially said millions, which shows how reflexive their thinking is, regardless of facts.)

How much harassment was there, NOM? Obviously, not much, because hundreds of thousands of people still voted against equality.

And also, NOM, you do realize that this was a secret ballot, right? You do realize that no one would know what side you voted for, right? Indeed, you've made this point before. You yourself have stated before that pressure on equality opponents leads them to conceal their stance, before secretly voting for it on election day. On May 15 this year, you reported on a Pew study on the different outcomes of phone and internet polls (emphasis added):

In that regard, an important new study was released this week by Pew Research Center that documents the extent to which the polling on gay issues could be off.

Pew found that there was a difference of 14 points on the issue of whether gays and lesbians experience "a lot of discrimination" depending on whether people were surveyed by an interviewer on the phone or whether they completed a survey on the web. In the case of giving an answer to a phone interviewer, 62% said that gays and lesbian face a lot of discrimination, but only 48% of people surveyed on the web say this. In fact, 52% of web respondents said gays do NOT receive a lot of discrimination.

The reason for this disparity, no doubt, is the "social desirability bias" factor that NOM pointed out to the Supreme Court: survey respondents are apt to give a phone interviewer the "politically correct" answer rather than risk being seen unfavorably by the interviewer. It's a key reason why polling on state marriage fights have typically understated support for traditional marriage by approximately 7 points compared to the actual outcome of the elections.

And yet, marriage still won overwhelmingly in Ireland. So obviously, that didn't happen here. So there was obviously no harassment without which the Yes side could not have won. So you can shut the fuck up about why you lost and just accept that it was because you are wrong, and we are right, and 1.2 million Irish citizens saw that.

Or, you can not. Could you actually not? It's a great source of entertainment.

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Reposted from Connect! Unite! Act! by marykk Editor's Note: Maybe we should plan a meetup in Ireland. I know a great place in County Galway. -- marykk
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Reposted from tmservo433 by marykk Editor's Note: Wonder what this will lead to? -- marykk

Archbishop Diarmuid Martin of Dublin says he voted no, but recognizes that this election represents a reality check for the Catholic Church.

Ireland, one of the world's most predominantly Catholic nation voted "YES" to amend their constitution and provide for Gay & Lesbian Marriage ceremonies yesterday. In a vote that is an undeniable landslide, more than 62% of the people who turned up at the polls voted in favor of this change and that is causing members within the Catholic Hierarchy to take notice.
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Reposted from DKOMA by Ed Tracey

I post a weekly diary of historical notes, arts & science items, foreign news (often receiving little notice in the US) and whimsical pieces from the outside world that I often feature in "Cheers & Jeers".

OK, you've been warned - here is this week's tomfoolery material that I posted.

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Reposted from gchaucer2 by marykk Editor's Note: Time to trot out the Irish recipes! -- marykk

Good Sunday, GUSgreenies!!!!!!!  Sure, we all know my entire ancestral family pushed the vote wayyyyyy over the top for the Yes vote in Ireland for Marriage Equality.  You can thank me and mine later.  Astonishing, non smoking folks came back to non smoking pub Ireland from far and wide to cast a vote --FOR YES!!!!!!!!!  And sure as peat in a bog, hysteria reigns in the pits of evil hearts.  Ok, we have the NO!!!! guy actually congratulating the YES!!!! guy.  Never in America.

If you want to say thanks to the tiny Isle which sacrificed way more by giving up smoking in the pubs, start drinking for breakfast -- water will do.  There's no sacrifice in voting for equal rights.  It is sad that there ever has to be votes for equal rights but humans are not as smart as cats.

Slainte (no diacritical marks because I'm lazy) my darling family, friends and comrades in Ireland.  Stunning voter turnout.  May we follow your lead.

I do have some recipes below to celebrate -- one of which is my sense of a brilliant appetizer in a Temecula Irish Pub.  The food was great but this appetizer will be on my to do list forever.

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Reposted from devtob by marykk

The Irish people's brilliant affirmation of marriage equality yesterday has naturally caused some gnashing of teeth among the ever-fewer Catholics who are devoted to their idea of "traditional marriage."

Brian Brown of the National Organization for Marriage fancies himself the leader of that crew of old Catholics in the States, and had urged his followers to support the Irish opponents of the marriage equality referendum.

From a May 1 email, emphases in the original:

Increasingly the battle to preserve marriage is becoming a global one. ... If they (Irish equality opponents) can manage to pull off a victory, it will be a tremendous boost to the cause of marriage worldwide. Please do what you can to bring awareness to their efforts.
Brown also found encouragement in the several recent rejections of marriage equality in Northern Ireland (the most conservative part of the UK, and the only one that still discriminates).

His post-vote email grasps for silver linings and whines about Ireland being less blindly obedient to its bishops than before.

Most people, in Ireland and here, would see that as progress beyond the near-medieval status of the church in Ireland for most of the 20th century.

The latest email in full, with some commentary, below.

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Reposted from Murchadha by marykk

I grew up in a rural area of Ireland.  Even then, the societal fabric was dominated by the Catholic Church.  All government parties toed the line to a greater or lesser extent.  No longer.  

The results are in:

Ireland has become the first country in the world to bring in same-sex marriage by a popular vote.
The vote percentages: 62% in favor; 38% against.

Coverage on the national broadcasting channel website:  http://www.rte.ie/...

Coverage on the BBC:  http://www.bbc.com/...

And on a fitting note, a rainbow formed in the sky today in Dublin.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

A happy day for equality under the law.  

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Reposted from Steven Payne by marykk

As Ireland celebrates welcoming all her citizens to full equality, it is only right to praise the speech drag performer Panti Bliss gave after a performance of James Plunkett's The Risen People at the Abbey Theatre in February of 2014.

Working tirelessly to promote a YES vote in Ireland, Panti Bliss has become something of a symbol for the movement and listening to this speech again it is easy to understand why. With my heart bursting with happiness for the people of Ireland I give you once again one of the most poignant advocacy moments of our time.

Please join me below the fold for the full transcript.

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Reposted from Village Vet by marykk

Comhghairdeas, Éire!

Huffington Post has an article on the results:here.

"We're the first country in the world to enshrine marriage equality in our constitution and do so by popular mandate. That makes us a beacon, a light to the rest of the world, of liberty and equality. So it's a very proud day to be Irish," said Leo Varadkar, a Cabinet minister who came out as gay at the start of a government-led effort to amend Ireland's conservative Catholic constitution.
RTE has an update of the polling by county:
http://www.rte.ie/...

Turnout was over 60%, with over 1,100,000 votes Aye and 682,000 Nay (as of this writing).

Only a few southern counties remain to be counted. Both sides have conceded the referendum has passed.

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Sat May 23, 2015 at 10:50 AM PDT

Best photo on the Internet today

by Molly Weasley

Reposted from http://politicalmurder.com by marykk
A rainbow over Dublin. Proof that nature has a sense of humor.
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Sat May 23, 2015 at 10:00 AM PDT

Why I Don't Sing

by Emmet

It was a November day and I was one of a swarm of 62 second graders at St. Bede The Venerable Grammar School. I'd had a bumpy landing in grammar school and still spent most of my days in a state of utter bafflement. It would be decades before I realized that most everyone else did, too.

We were herded into the weird big room downstairs from our classroom where they made us do extracurricular stuff. The curricular activities were bad enough; I had just figured out that the four reading groups into which we were divided were based on proficiency and that my group, the Bluebirds, was not top of the line by any means.

Sister Mulua stood us on a bunch of risers. St. Bede's was governed by the Irish branch of the Sisters of St. Louis. They were very, very young Irish women who had joined up for reasons it doesn't bear thinking of and been shipped posthaste to the wilds of Southern California. My parents were Ireland-loving Irish-Americans, and even as a child, I had a dim perception that the bare, hot, asphalt-becalmed convent next to St. Bede's probably looked as remote from their homeland as the planet Mars, and less welcoming.

Some volunteer mother started to play the piano. Sister blew into a weird round thing that made a buzzy musical sound and told us to start singing scales. Singing! I loved singing! I already knew all the words to the songs my older siblings were dancing to; "Little Darlin" and "Peggy Sue" and "School Day" and "Jailhouse Rock." What could go wrong when you were singing?

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