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Here's the chart of the day from the Kaiser Family Foundation:

(KFF Chartpack [pdf])
This poll fielded following the Supreme Court’s decision upholding the heart of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) finds a majority of Americans (56 percent) now say they would like to see the law’s detractors stop their efforts to block its implementation and move on to other national problems.

Democrats overwhelmingly say opponents should move on to other issues (82 percent), as do half (51 percent) of independents and a quarter (26 percent) of Republicans.  But, seven in ten Republicans (69 percent) say they want to see efforts to stop the law continue, a view shared by 41 percent of independents and 14 percent of Democrats.

Repeal of the Affordable Care Act is the hill Mitt Romney and Mitch McConnell and House Republicans have decided to fight on. With more than two-thirds of Republicans behind them at the moment, maybe that makes sense.

But, a good chunk of Republicans are not behind them. They can't win this election with only Republican votes. Half of independents are saying, "enough already, you lost." As we get further from the ruling and people refocus on the economy and jobs, expect to see growth in the numbers of both independents and Republicans who think it's time to move on.

Keeping the repeal battle going could be the hill Republicans die on in November.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:03 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  In other words, at least 56% of americans are (17+ / 0-)

    smart

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:06:20 AM PDT

  •  Pres Obama should come out with big jobs proposal (16+ / 0-)

    while Romney and GOP are whining about the ACA.  A huge infrastructure spending bill would be ideal.  

  •  I suppose it goes without saying that... (12+ / 0-)

    this is great news for Mitt Romney!

  •  Democrats should just admit defeat and move on! (11+ / 0-)

    Sorry, force of habit.

    Romney '12: Bully for America!

    by Rich in PA on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:14:03 AM PDT

  •  Pretty hard to campaign on reinstating exclusions (16+ / 0-)

    for preexisting conditions.  Or on encouraging recission, where paid-up customers are dropped for becoming unprofitable.  Or on taking away coverage from recent college graduates.

    In fact, it's hard to campaign on taking away, period.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:15:04 AM PDT

    •  And yet they plan to. How bizzare is that???! (5+ / 0-)
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      It really all hinges on their debt/deficit/sky is falling arguments, imo.   The Paul Ryan worshippers will be against ACA for that reason, because it is a religious belief to them. (ahem, my brother)   They can't be horsed to care about people less fortunate dammit, because the sky is falling and we can't afford it.   If they do a good job pushing that meme, and we don't do a good job of touting the benefits, then this is a wash or a win for their side.

      I hope we win!

      Was a cold and dark December when the banks became cathedrals...

      by althea in il on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:20:54 AM PDT

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      •  It only works if you can whip up hatred (3+ / 0-)
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        against those undeserving Others who are soaking up all the benefits without contributing.  

        I think that works for Medicaid and for TANIF, but for pre-existing conditions, not so much.   Few and far between are the adults who aren't worried about a loved one's health.

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:27:20 AM PDT

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        •  It's what we should focus our energies and (1+ / 0-)
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          talking points on.  Are they saying they're willing to throw people with pre-existing conditions back to the wolves?  Everyone knows (and loves) someone with a pre-existing condition.  

          Got Social Security? Thank a Democrat!

          by Fury on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:38:29 AM PDT

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      •  Remember... (1+ / 0-)
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        lgmcp

        you're dealing with people who wear tricots and full revolutionary regalia while behaving in ways that would cause the founding fathers to punch them in the face.

        Obama is at war with radical anti-American terrorists. The radical GOP is at war with American women. Take that and run with it DNC, you inept fucking pikers.

        by GOPGO2H3LL on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:59:38 AM PDT

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    •  Not to mention (1+ / 0-)
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      dying on the sword of FREEDOMMMM!!!! to protect freeloaders from paying a penalty tax due to their refusal to take responsibility for themselves.

      We always knew the GOP was an advocacy unit for selfish freeloaders.  Now they're gonna show the rest of America.

      Obama is at war with radical anti-American terrorists. The radical GOP is at war with American women. Take that and run with it DNC, you inept fucking pikers.

      by GOPGO2H3LL on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:58:35 AM PDT

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    •  but you're telling the truth about the law (1+ / 0-)
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      Republicans won't.

      And that's what they'll campaign on.

      Obama's team needs to stay on top of this until November.  They need to get the truth out to Americans.

      Hold a forum on the new law.  Have a question/answer session, that people would watch, to find out how they can benefit from the law.


      "A recent study reveals Americans' heads are larger than they were 150 years ago but sadly there is no indication that the extra room is used for anything." - entlord

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:10:50 PM PDT

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      •  I'm having some serious fun. Go to Facebook, find (3+ / 0-)
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        some hack complaining about the tax and write: you must be a freeloader. Wait for it. In minutes, you will receive ''I am NOT a freeloader'' (NOT is always in caps). Write back: then the tax/penalty/fine doesn't affect you - it only gets applied to the freeloaders - those who can afford insurance but refuse to buy it and force us to pay for their healthcare. This is a gift of messaging - use it.

  •  yep.. and in two months from now.. (7+ / 0-)

    Mitt Romney will be the only one talking about getting rid of Obamacare...

    the imagery is great:

    Romney standing there still pounding a dead issue, while everyone else has moved on..

    the irony even better:

    It was his major achievement as Mass Governor - oh the delicious price for pandering.

  •  Naw, they're gonna find a new Rapture meme (1+ / 0-)
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    after all we haven't seen them spinning the so-called secret Breitbart video

    Keeping the repeal battle going could be the hill Republicans die on in November.

    Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:21:00 AM PDT

  •  The definition of insanity is fighting the losing (1+ / 0-)
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    battles over and over and trying to say it's something new and different.
    What Idiots!

    Republicans only care about themselves, their money, & their power.

    by jdmorg on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:23:27 AM PDT

  •  Don't assume anything based on a poll taken (3+ / 0-)
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    right now.  The R's are going to work as hard as they can to change that poll and scare more people about the Affordable Care Act.  It may start going under the radar but it will be there.  It's still up to all of us to let anyone who seems to be concerned know what the benefits are in the law.  

    •  Right you are. (0+ / 0-)

      It's working for me.  I got over being too scared and embarrassed to talk to people directly, and it makes a huge difference.  They really think death panels and a government agent in the exam room.  If you tell them what's really there they like it and think it's nuts that those things weren't always true.

      For the resistant, a little sobering truth:  we have the most expensive health care in the world, and we're #37 in outcomes.  You'll live longer healthier lives in any other modern country and even some 3rd world countries.  That's a stopper.  

      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

      by I love OCD on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:01:38 PM PDT

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    •  but they'll be swimming upstream to do it. (0+ / 0-)

      and that's a change from 2010.


      "A recent study reveals Americans' heads are larger than they were 150 years ago but sadly there is no indication that the extra room is used for anything." - entlord

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:11:57 PM PDT

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    •  I don't know (0+ / 0-)

      if it'll work this time, though. I think there'll be a lot less patience for the teabagger shenanigans this time around.

      People will start to learn about what's in it, now that it's around to stay, and once we get past the news cycle in which this dominates, attention will turn to the economy again. And if the GOP's attention doesn't turn with it, they could get hurt.

      "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

      by Joan McCarter on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 03:45:47 PM PDT

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  •  They're gonna have still more problems in 2014, (3+ / 0-)
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    if the more recalcitrant governors still refuse to implement the law. Presumably, the uninsured in those states will still have to pay the penalty, but are going to wonder where the exchanges and subsidies designed for them are.

    I wonder which governors are up for re-election in 2014.

    "A man doesn't save a century, or a civilization, but a militant party wedded to a principle can." - Adlai E. Stevenson

    by Zutroy on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:26:10 AM PDT

    •  Department of HHS will (0+ / 0-)

      establish and operate an exchange for any/all states that fail/refuse to do so.

      It has been claimed that a quirk in the law does not allow premium support tax credits on HHS run exchanges. I'm not sure if the claim is a correct reading of the law or not, or if it really does exist if HHS can get it straightened out during rulemaking.

      •  Didn't realize that. Still, those who fall beneath (0+ / 0-)

        the prices offered in the exchanges but can't acquire Medicaid are going to cause some headaches for their state governments.

        "A man doesn't save a century, or a civilization, but a militant party wedded to a principle can." - Adlai E. Stevenson

        by Zutroy on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 05:49:31 PM PDT

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  •  I hope the Rs keep fighting it. It's so easy to (3+ / 0-)
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    defend. If someone complains about food stamps and free-loaders, your response is ''so you must love the health care reform since it makes free-loaders pay a penalty'' - shuts them up every time. Plus, focus on it is bringing out facts that were never brought out - the fine/penalty/tax is $95 or 1% of gross in 2014 - and it only affects the ones without insurance. Do you know how many people don't know that? Tons. Most don't know about the rebate check in August either. So ask them if you can take that off their hands since they object to Obamacare. Also shuts them up.

  •  This is an excellent result from the same poll (12+ / 0-)

    as well:


    What would you like to see Congress do when it comes to the health care law?
      Expand law or keep law as is: 53%
      Repeal and replace or repeal and not replace: 38%
      Don't know: 10%
    •  Fuck YEAH!!!! (1+ / 0-)
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      "A recent study reveals Americans' heads are larger than they were 150 years ago but sadly there is no indication that the extra room is used for anything." - entlord

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:12:22 PM PDT

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    •  actually, to me that's the important slide (1+ / 0-)
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      hell, they're all important. No disrespect to Joan.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 01:52:52 PM PDT

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      •  For policy, absolutely (2+ / 0-)
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        for the immediate politics side, I kind of needed to focus on the other.

        But this isn't really news out of KFF polling. Consistently we've seen a plurality of keep-it-as-is/expand it over get rid of it. Nice to see that plurality becoming a majority.

        "There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning." —Warren Buffett

        by Joan McCarter on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 03:49:00 PM PDT

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  •  Repugs are totally tone deaf, so I don't expect (0+ / 0-)

    to much to change in their plans, just yet....

  •  What do you expect from a health care (0+ / 0-)

    foundation run poll?  

    You don't need to firebomb Dresden to prove that you can fly the plane.

    by SpamNunn on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:32:07 AM PDT

    •  nonsense (1+ / 0-)
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      this is the most respected health care poll in the business. reams of data, lots of experience.

      I see from your other comments you have issues with Obamacare (I get that,  and you're entitled to your valid and interesting opinion), but dissing this poll is just ignorance on your part.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 01:51:39 PM PDT

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      •  The Foundation has been very open about its (1+ / 0-)
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        support of the ACA.   My issue is with polls by advocates, not with the advocate.   I don't like Fox polls or WSJ polls, either.  

        No.  I don't like the ACA.  It was ill considered, and will not reduce costs.  There was a better way to provide health care for the uninsured and to reform other areas that needed attention without putting us on a one way street to single payer and then blowing smoke up our collective asses that this was not the purpose of the Act in the first instance - especially when I can do better for my employees and will be forced to drop good coverage for them, as was always the intention of the Act's sponsors.  It sucks, and I don't have to like it or support it.  

        Sadly, I have no real choices when I go to the ballot box over this.  That's what has really got me pissed.  

        You don't need to firebomb Dresden to prove that you can fly the plane.

        by SpamNunn on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 02:05:08 PM PDT

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        •  again, WSJ polls are superb (0+ / 0-)

          peter hart is one of the best in the business and the hart/mcinturff combo is really good 9they do the poll). People can hate us, or call us partisan (we are) but our PPP poll is pretty darned good.

          I just think you're venting at the wrong people, in this case the pollsters.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 02:17:04 PM PDT

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        •  as for reducing costs, sure it will (0+ / 0-)

          http://www.americanprogress.org/...

          you may mean it won't reduce your costs. That's because your employees aren't on Medicare.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 02:19:56 PM PDT

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          •  I am being punished for providing good coverage. (0+ / 0-)

            Unless I agree to pay a minimum of 30% more than I already pay for our "Cadillac" plan, I will have to bail, and tell my employees to buy their coverage from the exchange, and settle for crappy one size fits all government issued coverage.   That's not right.  

            Just wait until we have to start deciding how to allocate our limited shared medical resources.   You won't be so happy, then, especially if you are old, and sick.  

            Sorry, Spam.  You don't qualify for the heart.  

            Is that because I am too old?  

            No, it's because you never had one, and to give you one would be an upgrade that's not covered by our national plan.

            You don't need to firebomb Dresden to prove that you can fly the plane.

            by SpamNunn on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 03:14:11 PM PDT

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          •  No shit. The Feds want everyone on Medicare. (0+ / 0-)

            Sucky coverage for all.   Ah, the sweet smell of lowest common denominator equality.   Eff that.  I'll just work harder and hide my money better.  Get one of those "off the books" doctors to make a house call.  Or maybe one of those doctors that Congress will be using.  

            You don't need to firebomb Dresden to prove that you can fly the plane.

            by SpamNunn on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 03:19:02 PM PDT

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  •  Kaiser family???? (0+ / 0-)

    Sounds SOCIALIST to me!?!?!?!?!?!

    "I am neither bitter nor cynical but I do wish there was less immaturity in political thinking." Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by djbender on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:32:11 AM PDT

  •  Romney takes credit for HCR in 3..2..1... (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Waste of time on both sides. (0+ / 0-)

    41% of people polled didn't even know there had been a ruling.

    Everyone else was basically split down the middle on party lines. The independents are essentially halved, as well (44/43).

    The people who care aren't going to be swayed, and the people who still don't care by this point are never going to care.

    •  That's not true. (0+ / 0-)

      Everyone who finds out what the ACA really does they're in favor.  It's up to us to teach them, which is a little tough for some of us, but it's still our job.

      You could be the change you've been waiting for.

      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

      by I love OCD on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:04:09 PM PDT

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  •  Dont forget GOP governors (0+ / 0-)

    Several who now say they wont implement the Medicaid expansion. I think a few of them will cave if Obama wins re-election, but we'll see.

  •  Jobs and the economy (0+ / 0-)

    I stand on the side of the majority that say that it's time to move on from ACA and get something going with regard to the ridiculously horrible situation just SO many in our country are enduring because of the horrible economic situation and lack of jobs.

    From Pollingreport.com:  http://www.pollingreport.com/...

    ACA, abortion, gay rights...c'mon D.C.  These are sub-issues.

    What's REALLY important to our citizens?  Losing homes, without jobs, food prices going out of sight, nowhere to turn?

    Yeah...I think so.  

    STOP with the sub-issues just for the sake of politics.  We voted you in to solve our nations biggest problems and to help our citizens.  Sure, health care is important...but, without jobs or homes or food...well, these are paramount !

    The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

    by commonsensically on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:46:08 AM PDT

    •  Your fucking concern (0+ / 0-)

      is duly noted.

      And sorry, pal, but we're going for the jugular on this one.  Does that make you cry?  I hope so.

      Also, the "horrendous" economy is pretty regionalized, and unfortunately for you, the swing states are doing alright.

      Unemployment in my state is 5%, the housing market is firing up like a Colorado forest and we have a budget surplus.  So, in spite of what your wrecking crew GOP buddies wrought on us, life under Obama's recovery is way fucking better by comparison.

      Obama is at war with radical anti-American terrorists. The radical GOP is at war with American women. Take that and run with it DNC, you inept fucking pikers.

      by GOPGO2H3LL on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:05:09 PM PDT

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    •  brand new commenter (0+ / 0-)

      telling everyone what to do.

      arrogant much?

      or troll?


      "A recent study reveals Americans' heads are larger than they were 150 years ago but sadly there is no indication that the extra room is used for anything." - entlord

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:13:29 PM PDT

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      •  What in the world??? (0+ / 0-)

        What in my post says I'm arrogant?  A troll?

        I think we have some folks here that are what I've heard called "lurkers" that look for something...anything...they can see to call someone a "troll".

        Get a clue.

        The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

        by commonsensically on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:17:30 PM PDT

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  •  What this whole thing tells me is... (1+ / 0-)
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    The GOP is still leery of Romney and they are still trying to shore up their base.  The only people who seem interested in drudging up the whole healthcare debate are the Teabaggers.  Nobody else cares.  Yet, the GOP is putting all of their eggs in that basket.  Which means that they are worried about their base sitting this one out.  On the plus side, Mittens is having problems moving to the 'center'.

    'Osama Bin Ladien is still dead and GM is still alive' - Joe Biden "Dems kill terrorist. The GOP keeps them around as a boogeyman - so they can continue to steal."

    by RichM on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:47:14 AM PDT

    •  Their problem (0+ / 0-)

      is that their nominee is the fucking godfather of Obamacare.

      Just priceless.

      Obama is at war with radical anti-American terrorists. The radical GOP is at war with American women. Take that and run with it DNC, you inept fucking pikers.

      by GOPGO2H3LL on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:44:33 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Obamacare fury as the new Monica Lewinsky (0+ / 0-)

    That is one of the interesting things to me about this whole manufactured fury.   This is an issue that will be one of the most boring days in history class by 2020.   "OK class, now we will discuss the Health Care reform act of 2008...  "   It is a minor legislative patch, yet the Republican media has whipped it up into an national existential crisis.  

    It is nowhere near as interesting as the Smoot Hawley tariff of 1930...

  •  People will say "move on" to anything (0+ / 0-)

    Don't believe that this accurately reflects national sentiment yet.

  •  the layout of the battlefield has shifted (1+ / 0-)
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    And the GOP hasn't caught on yet. Too bad for them!

  •  I'm using every fact I have about the (1+ / 0-)
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    benefits of Obamacares when I hear people ranting about it.

    As mentioned in the post 2 down from this, playing in their sandbox is not the response to this.  

    I start with "It's a penalty for medical freeloaders.  I want to be sure I understand you correctly, you'd rather have your neighbor die from a pre-existing condition that keeps him from getting insurance than penalize someone who just doesn't care if his medical care ends up costing you more.  You have $250,000 set aside for cancer treatment.  You don't care if your parents/grandparents have to choose between buying food or taking medication that keeps them healthy.  It's okay with you that your daughter will always pay more for insurance because being a woman is a pre-existing condition.  You're okay if your insurance company drops you during your open-heart surgery.  You don't want the freedom to open your own business without giving up health care coverage."

    That usually stops people in their tracks.  If not, if they return to their talking point, I just say "That's fine, I'm just really uncomfortable personally with letting people die in order to keep the free market alive and well.  I love Obamacares."

    Even if the person I'm talking to is unreachable, there are always others within hearing distance, and no one in this country knows jackshit about the ACA unless they're already benefiting from it.  My job is to carry the message and hope I turn one person around.

    I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

    by I love OCD on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 11:55:18 AM PDT

  •  And yet, there's still a serious problem here... (0+ / 0-)
  •  Our health care plan at work is deemed "Cadillac", (0+ / 0-)

    so we will be penalized for having it.   We will probably have to end up dropping a plan that has great coverage (great dental, eye, low deductibles, wellness incentives) and tell everyone to go out and buy their insurance on the exchange.  

    We are self insured, with an umbrella over a big SIR, and a TPA to run the program for us.  If we want to add coverage for something to our program that is not generally offered, we can just do it, and pay for it.  

    Everyone knows that this bill was designed to eventually force single payer down everyone's throat, so that everybody can have crappy coverage, run by the government, within ten years.  Oh, joy.  

    Many here think this is great, but I don't.  They don't provide health insurance for 200 employees, or know what the effect of this legislation will be on small business.  

    Short story - if we have to pay the "Cadillac tax", our employees will end up with crappy coverage, compared to what they have now, administered by a monolithic governmental entity, not someone that knows the names of their kids.  

    Call me a heartless greedy bastard, but I feel a duty to my employees first - not to anyone else.

    [end of rant]      

    You don't need to firebomb Dresden to prove that you can fly the plane.

    by SpamNunn on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:00:15 PM PDT

    •  If you insist...you're heartless greedy bastard... (0+ / 0-)

      And I don't give one iota of a fuck about your employees.

      I'm worried about my heath and the health of my sister as we struggle to make ends meet during a shitty economy, and I'm quite pleased that Obama has decided we shouldn't be penalized (in the form of ongoing health problems or, you know, death) for having vaginas, being temporarily poor, and choosing career paths that do not provide healthcare because our work is mostly freelance and creative. Your employees can take a long walk off a short bridge for all I care.

      I mean, call me a heartless greedy bastard, but I've got to look out for number one...

      Right?

      end of rant.

      "There's an iPad 3 and a Mitt Romney 4 now. They've worked the bugs out. He's not killing hobos at night anymore."

      by muzzleofbees on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:09:05 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I would have no problem with paying more taxes to (0+ / 0-)

        fund health care for the indigent or those who can't obtain insurance.  None.  I just don't think that we need to put all health care into the hands of the government to do that.

        If you want to be an artist, and self employed, that's your call, but don't tell me to go eff myself because you choose not to have health care.  I'm self employed, too, but I chose a job that pays enough for me to buy coverage for myself and for my employees.   You didn't.   That ain't my problem.

        Oh, wait, it is.  

        Grow up.  

        You don't need to firebomb Dresden to prove that you can fly the plane.

        by SpamNunn on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:15:59 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Well, that's not the way things worked out (0+ / 0-)

          So I guess you've got to deal. My point is, the reason the vast majority of people here aren't wringing their hands over "small business owners" is because they have their own problems and your employees aren't on that list. Everything about your comment read to me as not only whiney, but "everybody who isn't in my direct employ can go fuck themselves because they're not my duty." So why not repsond in kind? It's sure swell that your employees have such a champion for their health care needs, but most of us have been told to fuck off from various healthcare related folks for various reasons for many years and no champion has stepped forth and thrown down the gauntlet. Until Obama.

          And as far "choosing a job" that doesn't allow me to have health coverage, well, everybody has to start somewhere. Maybe one day I can be as magnificent, successful, and magnanimous as you, but until that day comes, I guess I'll just have to settle for knowing that I don't have to work for you, and be pleased with that.

          "There's an iPad 3 and a Mitt Romney 4 now. They've worked the bugs out. He's not killing hobos at night anymore."

          by muzzleofbees on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:28:15 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  let them prattle on.. (0+ / 0-)

    Ignore ACA and blast Romney all to shit and back on the Bain/aborted fetuses lie and blame rePIGnikanz for covering for his lie. Nothing kills credibility better than covering up a HUGE lie. If PUSA lets this one go then we deserve all the misery vanMitt can dish out.

    The democratic party needs to stop playing pussyfoot with this bastard congress and the bastard vanMitt

  •  Wow. (0+ / 0-)

    So, the law stands at 46%-46% approval.  That means there is a substantial portion there which thinks it's a bad law, but they're willing to accept it anyway.

    Or, they feel so defeated, they just want to forget about it.

    If the truth about ACA had been reported to American voters, it would be 70%-30% approval.


    "A recent study reveals Americans' heads are larger than they were 150 years ago but sadly there is no indication that the extra room is used for anything." - entlord

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:05:59 PM PDT

  •  unf obama's record on jobs is weak too (0+ / 0-)
  •  The minute the first round (0+ / 0-)

    of rebate checks arrive in the mail next month to unsuspecting and skeptical about the ACA voters, it will be game over.  Many swing voters haven't seen what it will do for them yet.. they are insured and pay premiums. When a check falls out of the sky into the laps, they will be true believers.

  •  I hate to say this but those of you who are (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    under the impression that this is no big deal and everyone is just ready to move on, are wrong.    I happen to be in the unique position of listening and speaking to almost 200 people per school day, of all ages, religions and walks of life.  I very often assign current event topics and the first 10 minutes of every class I hold is a free for all concerning the same current events.  I assure you that this is a huge deal and I am seeing the same rhetoric and misinformation as I did in 2009-2010. We simply cannot ignore this.  

  •  my personal feelings (0+ / 0-)

    support this polling.  When the bill passed, I wasn't opposed to it, but I wasn't particularly excited about it either.    However, since the S/C oral arguments and now their decision, I have learned more about it and my opinion of it has improved.  At this point, I can't see too many people defecting to anti-ACA side anymore.  Any remaining undecided (low information) people will most likely either remain undecided or migrate to the support side. If someone wasn't already suckered into hating it in the last couple of years, they aren't going to now.

    I wonder if at this point, the GOP is continuing to harp on this point just to keep their base happy.  They may not gain any additional support among independents based on this issue, but if they don't keep at it, they may loose a big chunk of their insane base who would feel cheated if the GOP doesn't continue to pretend this is worth fighting.

  •  I don't want to move on. (0+ / 0-)

    I want to go in for the kill.

    Obama is at war with radical anti-American terrorists. The radical GOP is at war with American women. Take that and run with it DNC, you inept fucking pikers.

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 12:46:04 PM PDT

  •  Let's see, if we add up (0+ / 0-)

    unemployed Republicans on Cobra

    plus

    Republicans with kids between 18 and 26 without benefit- paying jobs

    plus

    Republicans in high risk pools

    plus

    pissed off Republican women who haven't forgotten the whole birth-control fiasco

    plus

    Republicans who actually OWN small businesses unlike Joe the Plumber

    _______________

    = Critical mass of Republicans who are not foamy frothy Tea Partyers fighting for the right to die uninsured in 3 cornered hats and square dance dresses

    plus all those same categories of independents
    ________________

    = Obama Victory with Big Democratic coattails.

    *********

    Thank you, you big selfish stupid inhumane Republican pols and talking heads - keep it up. You are doing a great job of letting people know how repugnant and out of touch you really are as you craft your oh-so-careful-common-sense-step-by-step healthcare reform that won't do doodly squat for anyone before the next millennium. We're all just waiting breathlessly for our Healthcare Savings Accounts so we can buy Tums tax-free - yeah that'll bring 'em out!

    “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

    by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 01:25:18 PM PDT

  •  Oh please Mitt Romney, John Boehner, Paul Ryan.... (0+ / 0-)

    don't throw us in that briar patch!!!!

    Hopefully, their crusade (jihad?) to repeal ACA ends up being as successful as your decades long battles against Social Security, Medicare, etc.  People were quite eager and willing to give those things up too, which is why they.......ummm......still exist.

  •  where's 'em jobs GOP assholes? (0+ / 0-)

    Come on Mitchy, Mitty and count dracula ryan, stop the crap and pass the presidents jobs bill.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 07:05:52 PM PDT

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