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Neo: The Matrix?
Morpheus: Do you want to know what it is? The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us, even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. Like everyone else you were born into bondage, born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind. Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself. This is your last chance. After this there is no turning back. You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember, all I'm offering is the truth, nothing more. Follow me

If you want to a see graphic examples of what Assad's artillery did to Syrians today, click here [RED PILL]
If you want to return to the Olympics and pretend that the world is not leting people get massacred whenever, click here [BLUE PILL]

We hope to the Live Streaming the massacre soon so check back later.

See also: UPDATED: US fears massacre in #Aleppo, #Syria

But still there are these hopeful signs:

Aleppo Unites Against Dictator Assad 7-27-12 Al Halak Residents Call for Regime Defeat

               Friday protest in Aleppo | 27 July 2012

Assad Army Shells Aleppo Children 7-27-12 Desperate Dictator Bombs Marja District

There are the latest bulletins from EAWorldView:

1810 GMT: Syria.Russia has made a direct threat that any attack on its naval base in Tartous will be met with extreme prejudice:

"If the armed Syrian opposition ventures to implement their threat and to attack the Russian naval supplies and maintenance facility, Russia has ample capabilities in the region now to provide an adequate response. We won't recommend hotheads in the Syrian opposition doing that," a source in the Russian General Staff told the Interfax news agency.

What's fascinating is the source also added a line about the Syrian government having stepped up their support of the base as well.

Also interesting, the word "now," indicating that the Russians have significantly stepped up their ability to strike targets inside Syria.

Still, it's an unverified threat from a low-level anonymous staff member. One would expect any attack on Russian property to be met with force. What's interesting isn't the content of the report - it's the fact that a threat was made in the first place. Whether this was a direct response to a threat from insurgents, or a provocation, is not known.

1801 GMT: Syria. Today's death toll has risen to 90, according to the Local Coordinating Committees:

30 martyrs in Daraa, 18 martyr in Damascus and its Suburbs, 15 martyr in Aleppo, 10 martyrs in Homs, 8 martyrs in Deir Ezzor, 3 martyrs in Hama, 3 martyrs in Idlib, 2 martyrs in Lattakia,and 1 martyr in Raqqa.

So far, most of the fighting in Aleppo appears to have been instigated by the Free Syrian Army, though helicopters have attacked several neighborhoods, and there were reports that bombs have fallen, though it's unclear if that terminology means that jet fighters have once again been used.

The high numbers of casualties in Damascus are of note. Several neighborhoods, especially in the south, have been shelled today, despite the fact that we have not seen any evidence that there have been clashes between the military and the FSA in Damascus.

In Daraa, the high death toll is another sign that the regime is extremely weary of this region and is willing to shell any city that it suspects may put up a fight. In a region so close to the borders with both Jordan and Lebanon, and a region so close to the capital, the Assad regime suffers no rival. Yet, if today's FSA raids on a police station in the center of Daraa are any indication, like it or not there is an insurgency in Daraa province as well. It's just not as centralized or organized as the insurgency elsewhere.

1745 GMT: Syria. Syrian forces have moved into Darayya, southwest of Damascus (map), with force, and as one can hear, they met some resistance.

Earlier, the CFDPC, a network of activists who report on Damascus and its suburbs, had this report:

Violent shelling continues on the Daraya suburb of Damascus, other 2 corpses have been found so the death toll has risen to 17 (yesterday and today). More than 60 people were reported injured.

We're not sure if the death toll has increased since this report.

Here are my related diaries on Syria:
UPDATED: US fears massacre in #Aleppo, #Syria
BREAKING: Reports of clashes between Jordan Army & Assad's Syrian army
BRAKING: Obama stops Putin from re-arming Assad in Syria
Syria: Foreign meddling increases as crisis builds
BREAKING: Aleppo, Syria bombed with fighter jets
BREAKING: Syria issues a correction, it has no WMD to use
BREAKING: Arab League asks Assad to step down!
Bashar al-Assad: New images released as slaughter continues in Syria
no blood for oil
BREAKING: Activists report toxic gas attack in Deir ez-Zor, Syria
Glenn Greenwald sees Islamist Terrorism as main issue in Syria
Will Syria's Assad make a chemical attack in Damascus on Saturday?
BREAKING: I know where Syria's President Bashar al-Assad is!
BREAKING: Massive Fire near #Assad's Presidential Palace in #Damascus, #Syria
BREAKING: Is Syria's Bashar al-Assad dead or dying?
BREAKING: Damascus explosion kills Defense Minister, other key figures
The battle for Damascus is coming
BREAKING: General Strike in Damascus
BREAKING: Intense fighting reported in Damascus now!
BREAKING: Syrian defector spills beans as important new defection reported.
Does Syria's Assad have something on Kofi Annan?
Tremseh Massacre in Syria: What we know
BREAKING: ~227 reported massacred by Assad's forces in Tremseh, Syria today!
Syria: Is Assad regime on the verge of collapse?
BREAKING: Russian Warships reported in Syria
BREAKING: #Russia changing on #Assad but not as fast as conditions in #Syria
UN Observers say violence in Syria is ‘Unprecedented’
BREAKING: Defection of major Assad insider reported in Syria
BREAKING: WikiLeaks releases 2.4 million #Syria emails
When did "Never Again" become "Whenever?" | #Douma
BREAKING: Incredible mass rally in Aleppo, Syria today!
BREAKING: HRW releases torture report on Syria
BREAKING: Syrian General defects with 293 to Turkey
BREAKING: Items not in the MSM on Syria
My response to Phyllis Bennis: Where is the non-violent opposition in Syria?
BREAKING: Syrian Air Force attacks Douma, 10m from Damascus, thousands flee
BREAKING: As Syria Burns, UN Blows More Smoke
BREAKING: Kofi Annan to propose Syrian unity gov't sans Assad!
BREAKING: Douma, Syria under massive attack, another massacre feared
BREAKING: Another mass defection from Syrian army
BREAKING: #NATO says No War in #Syria shoot down of #Turkey jet
NATO meetup tomorrow as more defect from Syria
BREAKING: Turkey calls for NATO consult on downing of jet by Syria
BREAKING: Senior Syrian Officers Defect
UPDATED: Russia reported to be preparing to evacuate from Syria
BREAKING: Syria fighter pilot defects
BREAKING: Britain stops Russian ship carrying attack helicopters for Syria
BREAKING: Russian troops headed to Syria
Qaddafi forces Strike Back in Libya
BREAKING: UN suspends mission in Syria
Libya & Syria - two videos - no comment
BREAKING: Russia denies supplying Syria with NEW attack helicopters
Syrian people rise up against the massacre
Another "Houla style" massacre in Syria
Fake Houla Massacre Photo: Was the BBC set up?
Idlib, Syria protest today on anniversary of Kent State killings
BREAKING: Massive protests in Syria following Friday pray
Syria is bleeding
Syria: Ceasefire faltering as mass protests breakout

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  •  Warning. The red pill is very (9+ / 0-)

    graphic. Horror.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 04:39:15 PM PDT

  •  Dear God, there are no words.... (2+ / 0-)
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    Nulwee, Clay Claiborne

    I really couldn't watch much of that video. It's truly horrible, what I did see.  The violence perpetrated by the Syrian government has been escalating for some time now; is this a tipping point?

    •  I sincerely hope so! (2+ / 0-)
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      mookins, David54

      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 05:42:58 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Not one of us knows who really pulls strings. (1+ / 0-)
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      All I see are neo-con evil plans continuing to Iran, which no one but THEM want...
      We need to clean our own house up.
      Our media hides truth to allow these wars for profit.
      They are owned by those by profit.

      We are broke in more ways than monetary.
      •    "A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'universe,' limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest – a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a prison, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons close to us.  Our task must be to free ourselves from our prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all humanity and the whole of nature in its beauty." – Albert Einstein

  •  If anyone deserves freedom it's the Syrian people (5+ / 0-)

    They kept fighting in spite of incredible loss of life.

    They kept fighting against the military machine of Assad.

    They kept fighting alone.

    And their day is coming.

    Long live the free Syrian people.

    I hope Riverbend is OK.  I corresponded with her before she fled to Syria. I'll reach out once more.

    Daily Kos an oasis of truth. Truth that leads to action.

    by Shockwave on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 04:54:52 PM PDT

  •  So you think it's fitting to use (7+ / 0-)

    pop culture references like the Matrix when dealing with the  topic of Syria and certain death and suffering in Aleppo. It makes me realize that even though I can be a naturalized American, there are parts of American thinking that I will never understand.

    As for what is going to happen to Aleppo, it will probably be no different than what the Syrian army did in Damascus recently. The US framing of this as a massacre is a good example of the kind of psyops that are used in situations like these. Not that people won't die - they will. But it's most likely that the regime will prevail over the divided and weaker FSA and that the violence will continue into fighting like we saw in Lebanon during the Civil War. Like that war, outside parties will keep funding their preferred side, not caring about who commits what massacres as long as they get the geopolitical outcome they want. I don't that that Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who are funding the FSA, are interested in free and democratic outcomes in Syria. They want to expand their power and reach by installing a client regime in Syria and thus stifle Iran and won't give Israel trouble. They don't care that the tools that they are using are groups like al-Qaeda and Salafis aren't really interested in democracy or freedom either.

    As for the US, we pay lip-service to those ideas in the Middle East but we're basically interested in the same geopolitical goals as Saudi and Qatar, which is why we're supporting them (with the added bonus that they are paying for this venture). Of course we are making stupid mistakes like being on the same side of the types of people we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan but that's because we are stupid people who never learn the lesson about blowback.

    •  The pop culture reference here... (5+ / 0-)

      is really more about the American/western media than about the events in Syria themselves.  It's a commentary on how they push pleasant amusements over important stories.

      IOW, the diarist's is using a pop culture reference as an analogy for another part of pop culture.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 05:57:49 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  So your theory is that S.A. and Qatar are... (1+ / 0-)
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      supporting an army consisting of Syrian Sunnis, plus some Salafis and al Qaeda members, in order to install a regime that won't make trouble for Israel.

      It occurs to me that there is a hole in this theory.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 06:00:18 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  No there isn't (6+ / 0-)

        Saudi Arabia and the GCC have friendly relations with Israel and desperately want a two-state solution so that they can openly normalize relations with Israel, which was the reasoning behind the 2002 Arab League Plan for a 2-state solution that would allow normalisation. You should also look at why many the Saudis found it so difficult to procure US weapons in the 1980s (and headed to Britain instead) and why there is no opposition to current Saudi weapons deals  - like the latest $60bn dollar deal. The US and Israel know those weapons won't be used against Israel. Saudi Arabia realized that in order to be a regional power, it had to submit to the US/Israeli demand that Israel be recognized as regional hegemon. Many Arab regimes have friendly relations with Israel - it's the people who don't.

        •  Good analysis... n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        •  You miss the hole. (1+ / 0-)
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          Cynical Copper

          How, exactly, is empowering an army of Syrian Sunnis, backed up by al Qaeda and Salafis, supposed to produce a government that won't make trouble for Israel?  What you've got there is a collection of pretty hard-core anti-Zionists.

          It's not the relative friendliness of the Saudi regime towards Israel that's the problem here.  It's the notion that these actions by the Saudi regime could, in any plausible world, be seen as producing a pro-Israel government.

          Art is the handmaid of human good.

          by joe from Lowell on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 06:56:36 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  LOL (5+ / 0-)

            Just ask Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states how they've been doing it for decades. Money. We did the same thing in Egypt for years - buying peace for Israel with money to the military. Look at the wikileaks of meeting in Lebanon during the 2006 war where Sunni Muslims like Siniora and Hariri welcomed Israeli bombing of their own country in the hope it would destroy Hezbollah.

            The Saudis have promoted the idea that the Shiites and Alawites are greater heretics/enemies than Israelis and Americans. The Saudis have the arrogance to think that their money can buy them what they want and if these people start doing what they don't like they'll shut off the flow of money. And they will make sure that during the elections, there will be enough money flowing to the candidates that they prefer.

            •  It's like people put blinders on (3+ / 0-)
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              protectspice, chipmo, Shawn Russell

              and ignore our history with Saudi, and specifically Prince Bandar

              I'm sure CNN will do a long segment on all the fall out the U.S. has encountered for following this stupid policy.

              And if that isn't enough, we have the French leading us down the path as well. Hopefully this adventure will turn out better than Vietnam...(Just one more B-52 bombing run, and they will finally love us!)

              •  Perhaps it's just my blinders, but can YOU explain (0+ / 0-)

                how supporting al Qaeda and Salafis is supposed to produce a pro-Israel government?

                You might have to use small words, because I'm so very blinded, but even the invocation of Prince Bandar and the terrible, awful history of his relationship with Republican Presidents fails to answer that question.

                Art is the handmaid of human good.

                by joe from Lowell on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 07:37:21 PM PDT

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                •  You do realize (3+ / 0-)

                  No one ever said it would be pro-Israel.

                  It just wouldn't give a damn. Like the Sunni's in Lebanon don't give a damn that their nation is overflown by Israel on a near daily basis.

                  It's one thing to say rhetoric about Israel. It's another to actually do something on the buy a SAM to keep the Israeli's from flying over the country.....

                  Ever since Bashar called many of the Sunni leaders half-men in 2006 while Arabs were getting killed, Bashar has been on their target list. Not for standing up for Arabs, but because he stood up against Israel. Rich Saudi's and GCC state guys like to go to Western capitals and be treated like royality. They can't do that if they have stand for something. Instead, they pay off corrupt politicians (like Hariri paid off Chirac) and continue to be called 'moderate' as long as they never do anything against Israel.

                  Saudi security forces have opened fire on Shia protesters in the Qatif district of Eastern Province, wounding several of them as hundreds marched to demand the release of detainees, witnesses said.

                  Live rounds fired by anti-riot police injured a number of protesters who took to the streets in the early hours on Friday, the witnesses said, without specifying a figure.

                  The interior ministry said security forces dealt with "rioters who burned tyres" in parts of Qatif, arresting several people, including Mohammed al-Shakhuri, whose name was on a list of 23 wanted people.

                  Al Jazeera

                  This just happened. No one in the Western media or corrupt politicians, or the oil money appointed UN will condemn it.

                  •  Oh, really? Here you go: (0+ / 0-)

                    Here's the comment I was replying to:

                    LOL (5+ / 0-)
                    Just ask Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states how they've been doing it for decades. Money. We did the same thing in Egypt for years - buying peace for Israel with money to the military. Look at the wikileaks of meeting in Lebanon during the 2006 war where Sunni Muslims like Siniora and Hariri welcomed Israeli bombing of their own country
                    It's one thing to say rhetoric about Israel. It's another to actually do something on the buy a SAM to keep the Israeli's from flying over the country...
                    And you're of the opinion that an al Qaeda/Salafi-led government would engage in rhetoric, and not actually "do something on the ground."

                    That's very special.

                    The irrelevant, off-top last 2/3 of your comment, I'm not going to reply to, because I see to reason to let you change the subject.

                    Art is the handmaid of human good.

                    by joe from Lowell on Sat Jul 28, 2012 at 08:46:27 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

              •  btw (2+ / 0-)
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                just wanted to acknowledge that you saw a lot of this stuff going down a lot earlier than me and I remember negating a lot of the things you said. However, events have proved me wrong and you right and I wanted to publicly acknowledge that.

            •  Forced laughter and saying "money" is no answer. (0+ / 0-)

              Yes, no kidding the Saudis have used their money to advance their foreign policy.

              I'm still waiting for an explanation of how this movement, supposedly spearheaded by al Qaeda and Salafis, is supposed to be pro-Israel.  You know how Saudi Arabia has used its money to help support movements that are relatively friendly towards Israel?  By supporting people who resist the al Qaeda/Salafi line, such as Hariri.

              Art is the handmaid of human good.

              by joe from Lowell on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 07:33:41 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  What? (2+ / 0-)
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                mickT, chipmo

                The Future Movement/March 14, of which Hariri is the head, have Salafis in their grouping as well as al-Qaeda types. I think you need to go brush up on your knowledge of the region.

                •  They why did al Qaeda kill him? (0+ / 0-)

                  In point of fact, it is very likely that those "al Qaeda types" killed Hariri themselves.

                  You can keep posturing as if your partisan preferences are actually an indication that you have a great deal of knowledge, but putting a front like you do isn't actually goingto fool anyone with any sort of understanding about the region.

                  Art is the handmaid of human good.

                  by joe from Lowell on Sat Jul 28, 2012 at 08:37:55 AM PDT

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                  •  I'm talking about Saad Hariri who is the head (1+ / 0-)
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                    Claudius Bombarnac

                    of March 14, a grouping that did not come about until after his father Rafiq was assassinated. Saad Hariri himself still believes that the Syrians were behind the killing of his father yet he still went to Syria when the Saudi-Syrian rapprochement occurred a few years back. And if you think someone can't be in coalition with people one was against before, then you don't know anything about Lebanese politics. Walid Jumblatt also believed his father Kamal was killed by Syria yet still paid obeisance to them at the appropriate moments. General Michel Aoun fought the Syrians 20 years ago yet is now part of a coalition in Lebanon with Hezbollah that is called pro-Syrian. Rafiq Hariri was also allied with Syria.

                    As for your past paragraph, look in the mirror.

                •  You know, you could have made a plausible argument (0+ / 0-)

                  You could have put together a perfectly respectable description of the Sunni vs. Shia implications of this war, and the interests of the regional players.

                  But your need to shoehorn in dramatic language about Skeery Al Qaeda Mooslems, and then claim that Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the United States - three countries currently at war with or under attack by al Qaeda - were supporting al Qaeda is just a bridge too far.  And then, to characterize this support for an (allegedly) al Qaeda-led movement as being done for the benefit of Israel, that's just a whole row of bridges too far.

                  But, ooh boy, when you're trying to propagandize against a Muslim movement to an American audience, being able to invoke al Qaeda is just too good to pass up.

                  Art is the handmaid of human good.

                  by joe from Lowell on Sat Jul 28, 2012 at 08:55:31 AM PDT

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              •  Hariri resists the al Qaeda/Salafi line? (3+ / 0-)

                Since when. Maybe while on morphine while getting treated for his broken leg from his skiing accident in France.

                But the coalition he built includes Salafists.

                Armed members of the Future Movement and hardline Islamists cut off a number of roads in the northern Lebanese province of Akkar on Friday in protest at the release of several military officers allegedly involved in the killing of an Islamist figure.
                •  The Sunni coalition in Lebanon is broad, yes. (0+ / 0-)

                  Hardline Salafists, followers of a more inclusive, cosmopolitial, typically Lebanese viewpoint - there are different sorts of Sunnis in Lebanon, and the country's politics cause them to band together into a coalition.

                  But Hariri himself represented the more liberal, pro-western end of that coalition.

                  This is hardly a secret.

                  Art is the handmaid of human good.

                  by joe from Lowell on Sat Jul 28, 2012 at 08:41:03 AM PDT

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              •  I wrote a couple of diaries on the last elections (1+ / 0-)
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                in Lebanon. You might want to check them out to see who the players are in Lebanese politics and who is in what coalition.

    •  Heh... (0+ / 0-)

      You are right in the first part of this:

      I don't that that Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who are funding the FSA, are interested in free and democratic outcomes in Syria. They want to expand their power and reach by installing a client regime in Syria and thus stifle Iran and won't give Israel trouble.
      And then you are wrong.

      This is about regional power and thwarting Iranian interests. This is not about Israel. Syria doesn't give Israel a hard time despite it's rhetoric.

      Sorry but blaming the Israel for everything is failed reasoning...

      Oh dammit I just broke a window - damn Israelis (/snark)

      "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

      by volleyboy1 on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 06:40:15 PM PDT

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      •  I find this comment (3+ / 0-)
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        mickT, protectspice, chipmo

        head-scratchingly stupid on several levels.

        You will note in the passage you quoted that the subject of the sentence is Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Which kinda means that they are the agents in play? They are the ones doing things? That it's their fault? That they are the ones to blame? That stifling Iran and not giving Israel trouble is the subject? Not the object? That I nowhere said that it's Israel's fault?

        If you don't think that Israel is a consideration in "regional power and thwarting Iranian interests" then I'm not sure what I can say to overcome that ignorance.

        Yes, it's true that Syria itself doesn't give Israel trouble but Syria's allies do - namely Hezbollah. Last week Hassan Nasrallah revealed in his speech just how deeply interconnected Syria and Hezbollah are, in particular during the 2006 war. If you don't think that the Israelis would love  to cut Hezbollah off from its major suppliers then I'm not sure what I can say to overcome your ignorance.

        This is my first and last response to you since I have no intention of further derailing this diary.

        •  No... what is head scratchingly stupid (0+ / 0-)

          is that Saudi Arabia and Qatar give a shit about the Israelis. They don't. The Israelis figure into American plans not the conservative Arab states.

          The KSA and Qatar don't give a flying f*&% about the Israelis except to exploit their presence to blame them for all the ills in their nations.

          "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

          by volleyboy1 on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 09:02:37 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Do put any credance to the following: (2+ / 0-)
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            mickT, Shawn Russell
            An Israeli-Saudi Strategic Understanding
            May 27, 2011

            The bipartisan acclaim Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu won from a joint House meeting in Washington Tuesday May 24 (about which an American columnist wrote: “After Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s masterful speech before Congress, President Obama is the odd man out in Washington when it comes to the Middle East”) was just one weapon in the Israeli leader’s armory. The other one, DEBKA-Net-Weekly‘s intelligence sources reveal, is a series of secret understandings he has forged with the “young” Saudi princes assigned by King Abdullah in recent months to manage the oil kingdom’s foreign and security affairs.

            Saudi Arabia and Israel have been cooperating quietly on issues of shared interest for three years starting in the days of Netanyahu’s predecessor, Ehud Olmert. But the basis of understanding has broadened and strengthened in the four months since the fall of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and the falling-out between Abdullah and President Barack Obama over the latter’s Middle East policy.

          •  You confuse rhetoric with action (2+ / 0-)

            Like when a politician says he will fight corruption, then keeps the same corrupt banking execs in his administration.

            Or when Hillary Clinton says she will fight for woman's rights, then make a pact with the gulf state all-male club.

            Or when Oil Rich countries denounce Israel in public, but meet the Israelis in private. As I said upthread, they aren't about to give up their Aspen mansions for something so stupid as actually confronting Israel.

            Maybe you actually think the corrupt bastards running Congress actually care about the average Americans and not the rich asses that put them in office.

            Just curious. Do you actually watch the news? The guys that think McCain/Lieberman/Graham are 'wise voices' in Congress?

    •  I don't think the reference weakens the impact. (1+ / 0-)
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      Clay Claiborne

      I think it works.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 08:17:55 PM PDT

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  •  When Assad is gone the fight will continue (2+ / 0-)
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    chipmo, Fire bad tree pretty
    Syria’s Aleppo reported tense, awaiting battle; journalists freed from extremists

    Meanwhile, for the first time since the uprising against Assad began in March 2011, the presence of dozens of foreign Islamist fighters was confirmed Friday by two journalists who’d been held by a group of them near the border with Turkey for a week.

    Jeroen Oerlemans, a Dutch freelance photographer, told the NRC Handelsblatt newspaper that he and British photographer John Cantlie were held for a week by the group, which they accidentally encountered after they’d crossed into Syria surreptitiously from Turkey.

    Oerlemans said the group of about 20 included a Pakistani who spoke English and “a number of Africans” and “many Central Asians.” He described them as “foreign jihadists.”

    In the days they were held, Oerlemans said, they met other foreign combatants. “We met many combatants who spoke good English, some with Birmingham accents,” he said, referring to the British city that has a large immigrant population. “They see Syria as the last battlefield. But first Assad must be toppled. So they fight against the same opponent as the Free Syrian Army, only with a different purpose. As soon as Assad has fallen, these fighters want to introduce Islamic law, Sharia, in Syria.”

    “I immediately felt sorry for the fighters of the Free Syrian Army,” Oerlemans said. “You get rid of Assad, and the first thing you have to deal with is these guys.”

    Read more here:

  •  Syrian Army Dismantling Explosive Devices (2+ / 0-)
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    mickT, chipmo

    Hidden In City Streets By Terrorists

    •  Terrorist is such a broad word these days... sick. (2+ / 0-)
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      •  Just to be clear, you agree with the Assad regimes (0+ / 0-)

        characterization of the FSA as terrorists don't you?

        Do you also agree with his use of heavy weapons in urban settings to root out these terrorist? [I have yet to hear you oppose that]

        Because if you do you should own the video I call Red Pill.

        Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

        by Clay Claiborne on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 08:41:45 PM PDT

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        •  cd .. that was a response to CB (0+ / 0-)

          Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

          by Clay Claiborne on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 08:42:46 PM PDT

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        •  I have not made a comment about that report. (2+ / 0-)
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          It is up to you to make your own assessment. You seem to think that the messenger is responsible for the message. News and information do not work that way. Just because I report on something doesn't mean that I am glad it has happened.

          You feel the need to report only on that which supports your worldview. I don't. I want to understand what is going on.

          I've seen just as bad (and worse) video from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars where the perpetrators of the violence were American heroes.

          War is hell. That is why I don't agree that arming protestors against the state which has the legal right to do violence is a good way of making political changes.  More than half of the Syrian people agree with me. Unfortunately, their voice is not being heard because of people like you.

  •  Syria: The vultures are circling (2+ / 0-)
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    By: Justin Raimondo | July 28, 2012

    The way she talks, one would think Hillary Clinton is the commander-in-chief of the Syrian rebels:

    “The Obama administration is weighing its options for more direct involvement in the Syrian civil war if the rebels opposing the Assad regime can wrest enough control to create a safe haven for themselves, US officials said. “Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says it’s only a matter of time before the rebels have enough territory and organization to create such areas. ‘More and more territory is being taken,’ Clinton said this week. ‘It will eventually result in a safe haven inside Syria, which will then provide a base for further actions by the opposition.’”

    There is Gen. Hillary, Amazonian warrior-goddess, directing her Hellions to take this town, seize that territory, and get on with “further actions” - such an inspiring sight for feminists and warmongers the world over! At last, a woman who can muster as much blood-lust as any man! So what are these “further actions” our Secretary of State anticipates with ill-concealed glee?
    According to a briefing by the BND to the German Diet, Qaeda has pulled off “around 90” terrorist attacks in Syria since the fighting began. And their success isn’t limited to suicide bombings: their anti-Christian terror campaign is taking off by leaps and bounds. Der Spiegel reports:

  •  Yes... (5+ / 0-)

    Just last week the city was calm. Then the Saudi/Qatar-armed FSA decided to liberate it, whether it wanted to be liberated or not.

    People outside the city and country have decided the city's fate. Countries that have no concept of Democracy are trying to impose their will on the city for their own foreign policy goals.

    If this is what passes for 'freedom' and 'liberation' in the left these days, we really are screwed.

    •  Saudi-Qatar really have very little to do with it. (0+ / 0-)

      Syrian people are revolting because they are tried of living in terror under a regime that treats them like the Red Pill.

      So they are fighting back.

      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 08:45:09 PM PDT

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      •  Really? (2+ / 0-)
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        The constant attacks on Al Jazeera and Al Arabiyah against the regime are nothing?

        Al 'Ar'ur broadcasting anti-'Alawite diatribes from Saudi have nothing to do with it. (Since you don't understand Arabic, you won't have a clue the importance of this video...but here is an FSA goon threatening the crap out of someone whose sole sin was going on Syrian TV and denouncing the Salafist sheikh Al 'Ar'ur :)

        Like the typical FSA propaganda crap, he calls him a 'Shabihah'.

        Of course this is not reported as it would put the glorious freedom fighters in a bad light. And people like you wouldn't be able to spew nonsense about the noble rebellion.

    •  Just last week the city was a police state. (0+ / 0-)

      But then clearly, you prefer Syria as a police state.

      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Fri Jul 27, 2012 at 08:46:13 PM PDT

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      •  Where were you the last ten years? (4+ / 0-)

        Were you just as active in fighting for the Syrian peoples "freedoms" back then? It sounds like you have just been caught up in the tweet/facebook revolutions.

      •  The people had 16 months to make their say (4+ / 0-)

        Unlike other areas of the country, they were happy.

        The FSA decided to invade. The FSA decided to 'free' them. Yes, some neighborhoods, like Salahadin, were more inclined to support the FSA than others, but as a whole the entire city wanted nothing to do with the Islamic uprising you pretend doesn't exist.

        If 'police states' bother you in general, complain about them all. Methinks only certain police states are on your radar list.

        But the Syrian people are getting rather sick of being 'freed' by armed Islamic thugs, only to 'freed' again by the military shelling to get rid of said thugs.

        Don't pretend you care about the 'Syrian People'. And I really doubt any of the Syrian people really want your recently acquired concern.

        They would much rather have someone tell both sides to stop. (oddly enough, a position both Russia and the Syrian government support. Only the west and it's obsession with Iran refuse this.)

      •  And you really like cheap shots... (2+ / 0-)

        Here's one...

        You support kidnappers:

        BEIRUT, May 22 (Xinhua) -- Syrian rebels abducted around 12 Lebanese Shiite pilgrims in the Syrian city of Aleppo on Tuesday, prompting their relatives to protest in Lebanon's capital Beirut.

        Yes, innocent civilians were kidnapped months ago by the FSA. The West doesn't give flying fuck. Bringing it up would make the FSA look bad, so it is best to just ignore that our 'freedom fighters' will kidnap random people.

        Obviously people you support. As long as they are air-conditioned I guess. Air-conditioning equals FREEDOM!

        (Reuters) - A Syrian rebel commander told Reuters on Sunday that 11 kidnapped Lebanese Shi'ites are staying in air-conditioned rooms and are in good health but will not be released until President Bashar al-Assad leaves power and a new parliament is elected.
  •  How about the crimes of the rebels? (1+ / 0-)
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    They have committed extensive crimes as well.  Here is an example (warning very graphic):

    Civilian Thrown off a Building by Syrian Rebels

    War is horrible and in this case, both sides have been committing crimes.   The Saudi backed rebels are not any better than the Assad regime.  

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