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That CNN poll that demonstrates that yes, Republicans really did shoot themselves in the foot with their government shutdown and debt ceiling brinksmanship, also demonstrated, again, that Obamcare isn't so unpopular these days.
Even though they lost this round, conservatives vow to continue their fight to dismantle Obamacare. And they point to major troubles with the rollout of the website where Americans without insurance can enroll in the new health care exchanges. [...]

According to the poll, just more than four in 10 say they favor the law, with 56% opposed to it.

But of those opposed, 38% say they are against the law because they think it's too liberal and 12% say it's not liberal enough. That means that 53% either support Obamacare, or say it's not liberal enough.

Huh, about the same percentage (54 percent) that say "it's a bad thing that the GOP controls the House." Seriously, Republicans, we're done with this fight. The majority wasn't with you on repeal: In March, 2011, in May, 2011 (and that's a Rasmussen poll!), in July, 2012, in November, 2012 (as if the election weren't indication enough), and finally July of this year.

Seriously, enough.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:53 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (25+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:53:49 AM PDT

  •  Yeah...But....McJoan....what am I to with all this (13+ / 0-)

    popcorn?......Don't answer that!....;-)

  •  as popularity goes... (10+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "I’m not the strapping young Muslim socialist that I used to be" - Barack Obama 04/27/2013

    by annieli on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:01:37 AM PDT

  •  That doesn't even count the vagueness of Obamacare (13+ / 0-)

    When you poll on the specifics of Obamacare (guaranteed issue, no annual limits, free preventive care, health exchanges, covering kids till 26, etc. etc.) you get much better numbers than just polling "Obamacare" too.

    Just shows how bad the GOP is doing.

    But if it wasn't obvious enough, you could see Mitch McConnell on Face the Nation yesterday in obviously defeatist mode.

    •  I bet if you polled the specifics of GOP (7+ / 0-)

      rather than the brand that included Eisenhower and Everett Dirksen, you'd get worse numbers.

      "One faction of one party in one House of Congress in one branch of government doesn't get to shut down the entire government just to refight the results of an election."

      by Inland on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:08:47 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Democrats are in touch with middle America (0+ / 0-)

        CNN poll: Obamacare more popular than Republicans.

        We Democrats have been pushing for health care reform since Harry Truman!

        Democrats are in touch with middle America on nearly all the issues (see below).

        ----

        "I am struck by how knee-jerk the liberal/progressive community is on the necessity of legal abortions," writes Timothy Shipe of Westerville, Ohio, in the June 2003 issue of The Progressive.  

        "On every other issue, the progressive community looks at the parties involved, assesses the humanity, the vulnerability, the justice, the balance of power, and then weighs in on the side of the underdog.  Every issue, that is, except for abortion.

        "The day I accept as 'progressive' the anti-human practice of willful abortion is the day I say OK to unjust war, unfettered capitalist exploitation of people and the environment, capital punishment, ethnic cleansing, and so forth."

        ----

        "The moral test of government is how it treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the aged; and those who are in the shadows of life, the sick, the needy and the handicapped."

        --Hubert H. Humphrey

        Fifty-nine percent of Democrats favored a ban on partial-birth abortion.  (Gallup Poll, November 1, 2000)

        Eighty-nine percent of Americans favored informed consent for women seeking abortions.  (Gallup Poll, 2002)

        Sixty-seven percent of Democrats would outlaw some or all abortions.  (Gallup Poll, May 5-7, 2003)

        Forty-three percent of Democrats agreed with the statement that abortion"destroys a human life and is manslaughter."  (Zogby Poll, December 2004)

        Seventy percent of high school senior females say they would not consider abortion if they became pregnant while in high school.  (Hamilton College/Zogby Poll, January 2008)

        Seventy-seven percent of Americans believe abortion should have stricter limitations.  (CBS News Poll, January 2008)

        Twenty-nine percent of Democratic Convention delegates disagreed with the statement, "Abortion should be generally available to those who want it rather than under stricter limits or not permitted."  However, 52 percent of Democratic voters as a whole disagreed.  

        This large discrepancy between party leadership and membership indicates a serious problem that Democrats For Life of America wants to correct.

        ----

        During the 2008 campaign, Reverend Jim Wallis (of Sojourners fame) advised Barack Obama to support a plank in the Democratic Party Platform that would aim to reduce abortions by focusing on supporting low income women and making adoption easier.  

        (This is the 95-10 Initiative, advanced by pro-life Democrats in Congress.)  

        Reverend Tony Campolo served on the Platform Committee and has issued a strong statement in support of a pro-life position.  

        A "conscience clause" which appeared in the 2000 Democratic Platform (but not in 2004) acknowledges that there are pro-life people in our Party and we respect their views. It reads as follows:

        "We respect the conscience of each American and recognize that members of our Party have deeply held and sometimes differing positions on issues of personal conscience, like abortion and the death penalty. We recognize the diversity of views as a source of strength and we welcome into our ranks all Americans who may hold differing positions on these and other issues."

        Kristen Day of Democrats For Life recently said, "Roughly a third of the Democratic Party is pro-life. And while many do not call themselves liberal, they share the values which seem to identify with liberalism, particularly a commitment to helping the vulnerable and providing a social safety net."

        Democrats For Life of America, 601 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, South Building, Suite 900, Washington, DC 20004 (202) - 220 - 3066  

        •  a little off-topic, wouldn't you say? (0+ / 0-)

          Yes, the best compromise might be to keep abortion legal, and reduce the need for abortions through policies that make it possible for a woman to go to term without derailing her life.  
          So, what's all the rest about?  

    •  It's good (6+ / 0-)

      that at least more general polls are asking the don't like because it's not liberal enough question.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:11:21 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  And "not liberal enough" (7+ / 0-)

        The word "liberal" had been beaten up for decades.

        I'd like to see a poll with more neutral language, e.g. "doesn't go far enough." I wouldn't be surprised if the 12% was much higher then, though in truth I'm surprised it's even that high.

        (I'd have assumed there'd be more of a "rally around the plan" among Dems, given the endless Republican attacks.)

        •  rally round the plan (0+ / 0-)

           I don't understand why so many people poll as disliking Obamacare.  Perhaps it's because they don't know how it'll work yet.  Give it a chance people!  It's complicated, so it's an experiment and it's interlocking parts have yet to be fully implemented.
            BTW, why is it that the pols never want to describe their policies as experiments?  Until they've been tried out, that's what they are, aren't they?  Yet they all form up in 2 lines: the 'know it will work's and the 'know it'll be a disaster's.  Admitting "I really don't know exactly what will happen but this is what I think."  just never spills from their lips.  The people expect omniscient certainty, or nothing.    

    •  Right on (3+ / 0-)
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      Liberal Jon, VPofKarma, elginblt

      and now they can see the pieces as part of the whole - no way to hide behind the generalizations of "Obamacare sucks" when people are actually signing up and connecting the dots. I truly believe the last ditch panic effort of the shutdown was to prevent all the ACA lies from being exposed.

    •  Heck... (1+ / 0-)
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      elginblt

      if you poll "Affordable Care Act," you get better numbers than "Obamacare."

  •  now to see what (3+ / 0-)
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    ZedMont, drmah, elginblt

    happens when people are actually living under the entire plan. Number next spring will be much more important as they will reflect people's opinion after the signup period and with a few of living in the new enviroment.

    Still waiting to see from my employer what changes are in store for me under the ACA. Will premiums go down?

  •  Facts? We dun neeed no stinken Facts? (7+ / 0-)

    You're talking Republicans and Teabaggers here; why are you quoting all these liberally, leftie things like "facts" and "truth"?

    Tax and Spend I can understand. I can even understand Borrow and Spend. But Borrow and give Billionaires tax cuts? That I have a problem with.

    by LiberalCanuck on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:02:41 AM PDT

  •  That's awesome (and I mean that sincerely) (4+ / 0-)
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    Matt Z, Joan McCarter, ZedMont, VPofKarma

    and I feel like a dick for saying this, but:

    How popular are Social Security cuts? What's going to happen to the demise of the GOP if the Democrats successfully push a Grand Betrayal?

    I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:02:45 AM PDT

  •  Here's hoping (6+ / 0-)

    the Single Payer, where you enroll once a lifetime like Soc Sec, might prove more attractive now?

  •  I can count on one finger the number (8+ / 0-)

    of times I have heard it reported that a significant portion of those opposed to the ACA oppose it because it isn't liberal enough.

    It's media malpractice.

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:06:42 AM PDT

    •  A big problem (5+ / 0-)
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      a2nite, Mike S, annan, salliezoo, elginblt

      Every poll that has asked the question (and IIRC, only Kaiser has consistently asked it) shows that a good chunk of the opposition is opposed because it didn't go far enough. That's one of the most untold stories of the law.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:18:22 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Exactly. (1+ / 0-)
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        Joan McCarter

        And now for the first movie rec in a very long time.

        Perfect Sense.

        Storyline
        An odd epidemic appears across the globe: people suddenly lose one of their senses. At first, it's an outbreak of loss of smell. It's often presaged by a destructive temper tantrum. In this mix are a scientist and a chef - she's Susan, one of a team trying to understand the epidemic; he's Michael, charming and engaging. Susan and Michael begin a relationship in the middle of increasing chaos, as the loss of other senses plagues more people and as civil authorities try to maintain order. Susan's voice-over reflections provide insight. Is love possible in such a changed world? Can anything make perfect sense?

        It's Irish so it is quite bleak but we enjoyed it.

        Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

        by Mike S on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 09:18:00 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Thank you! (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Mike S

          You have yet to steer me wrong.

          "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

          by Joan McCarter on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 01:07:11 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  And GOP given numerous chances to work, (2+ / 0-)
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    ZedMont, a2nite

    unlike Obamacare.  

    "One faction of one party in one House of Congress in one branch of government doesn't get to shut down the entire government just to refight the results of an election."

    by Inland on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:07:00 AM PDT

  •  I am begining to believe... (6+ / 0-)

    That although Obamacare is the Hill that they chose to die on - it isn't really about Obamacare.  It is about destroying government.  If Obamacare continues, then it is another program that EVERYBODY uses and demonstrates that government can work in peoples lives.  That weakens their cause.

    “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” - John Steinbeck

    by RichM on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:07:42 AM PDT

  •  New talking point- Obamacare more popular (7+ / 0-)

    than republicans.

    Great frame. I hope the talking heads are paying attention, and dems use it, over and over. It plays into two truths that need to be brought into common thought -Obamacare IS popular, regardless of what republicans and FOX news say.
    The American people want to give Obamacare a try.

    And Republicans ARE NOT popular. Nobody likes to vote for a loser, or a tyrant who refuses to accept the outcome of the democratic process.

    Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

    by Sherri in TX on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:11:07 AM PDT

  •  Most likely, the majority of that 38% opposed to (1+ / 0-)
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    annan

    Obamacare will never be affected by it other than the benefits from it they've been receiving for some time now.

    And they'll still be blaming everything from their team not winning the Super Bowl to a stopped up toilet on Obamacare.

    Blue, blue, my world is blue... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6cPXvTqasg

    by ZedMont on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:15:32 AM PDT

  •  But wait, wait... hold it right there!!!!! (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    I heard Mara Liasson this morning on NPR. She she said that Obamacare was surly doomed and that everything was great news for John McCain, Mitt Romney and Ted Cruz. How can this poll be showing otherwise?

  •  Why is the ACA more popular? (4+ / 0-)
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    drmah, happymisanthropy, VPofKarma, Livvy5

    Because unlike the GOP, the ACA is at least TRYING to help Americans.

    You know you're winning a fight against a Republican when they stop mocking your position and start whining about your tone.

    by slappymagoo on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:28:03 AM PDT

  •  Benghazi! (1+ / 0-)
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    VPofKarma

    ;)

    Anger management class really pissed me off.

    by old mark on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:33:01 AM PDT

  •  More popular than Democrats, too. (1+ / 0-)
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    kestrel sparhawk

    Imagine how a good law (laws, combination of who knows what) that actually fixes health care instead of applying band aids to health insurance would do.

    That, I think is the tragedy of the current government by civil war at play in the US.  Repeated polls have shown that Americans like many of the ACA provisions, even when they don't like the overall law.  Health care continues to be a major problem in this country and that will remain true with or without ACA.

    Getting any kind of national measure passed to affect health care is a legacy worth noting.  Grown-up legislative work to provide a real solution to our health-care mess would have been one for the ages.

    Damned "Tea Party".

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:36:57 AM PDT

  •  There were also the exit polls (3+ / 0-)
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    annieli, annan, Ellamenta

    from the Republican 2012 primaries showing repealing Obamacare as the top issue for ~5% of Republican voters.  It polled so low that CNN dropped it from the polling in the later contests.

    Politics means controlling the balance of economic and institutional power. Everything else is naming post offices.

    by happymisanthropy on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:45:12 AM PDT

  •  "Gee Congressman Teabagger... (0+ / 0-)

    How do you feel now that polls show Obamacare is more popular than you?"

    ...

    *head explodes*

    Gee Media Person, could it be that -- despite its flaws -- Obamacare is the first piece of legislation in a good long time that actually aims to improve people's lives in an important and lasting way. Sort of like Social Security. I think most Americans can grasp even that simple concept.

  •  Shorter Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    We are SO MAD that this crappy website is preventing you from getting the insurance that we don't want you to have!

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 09:39:32 AM PDT

  •  Relative to my own bias (0+ / 0-)
    Obamacare more popular than Republicans
    I read as something like - "Obamacare more popular than disingenuous, lying, low-life bastards."

    Great that "Obamacare" has been appropriated.

  •  Intellectual Honesty about ACA (1+ / 0-)
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    kestrel sparhawk

    Let's not discredit ourselves by blindly defending poor legislation. The ACA is the product of conservative think tanks and the corporate Dem "market based solutions" fetish. Without a public option, ACA casts the federal government in the role of marketer and bill collector for the insurance companies (that, by the way, still get to deliver for-profit services less cost-efficiently than public programs such as Medicare). There's no margin in shielding another ConservaDem lemon from legitimate criticism simply because the GOP is a bunch of thugs and know-nothings. Remember when the neocons were still defending the Bush War in the face of fact and reason? Let's not be those guys.

  •  Can you imagine how popular it would be if the (0+ / 0-)

    websites functioned?

  •  Obamacare more popular than Republicans... (0+ / 0-)

    ... and it's only going to get worse for the GOP, as millions discover that they were lied to.  Let's hope they get pissed at Faux News, too.

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