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The situation in Syria really seems to be coming to a head quickly now. The situation is being driven by the facts on the ground created by the recent successes of the Free Syria Army. Their growing strength and change in tactics has been bearing fruit. Several months ago, they changed their focus from the defensive struggle of trying to protect opposition communities from Assad's attacks to the offensive tactic of going after Assad's bases and his supply lines.

They have captured base after base and with each installation, an arms cache was captured as well. Many of the captured soldiers joined the FSA as well.

There is still no solid indication that the FSA has received MANPADS from NATO, Qatar or Saudi Arabia, but they definitely have gotten them from Assad. They have posted the videos to prove it. First videos of the attacks on the bases, then videos of the MANPADS captured, and now at long last, videos of Assad's jet bombers and attack helicopters being swatted out of the skies the modern way.

While they have been growing in strength and capturing supplies, they have had good success in troubling Assad's lines of communications. Recently the FSA has been able to hold key roads supplying Aleppo.

They hold most of the border crossings with Turkey, and together with the Jordanian forces, all of the border crossings to Jordan.

But the most telling battle is happening in Damascus were the opposition in now in control of about half of the capital and has been threating the airport to the point that most air traffic has been halted.

It is clear that Assad is losing control and losing it fast at this point. This is in spite his stepped up murderous attacks on the people of Syria.

For example, Assad is now reported to be using a new weapon in Syria that rolls into one weapon, two of the most criminal and genocidal weapons used against the Vietnamese by the United States, a weapon so terrible, I didn't even know it existed before he used it. Assad is dropping cluster bombs that contain napalm on his own people!

In this climate, the fear that Assad will resort to chemical weapons in a last ditch effort to destroy the revolution is real.

I now think the two day Internet and communications blackout I reported on last week may have been a test run to see just how successful he could be in turning out the lights and just what the world would do if this mass murderer closed the door to carry out his grisly work in secret. It's back up now, but not without a new batch of malware targeting activists.

The world did nothing. The focus was on Gaza because 170 Palestinians were killed that week. That many Syrians are killed every day.

Now the world leaders are playing the stick and carrot game in an effort to get Assad to go quietly, with some warning him that there'll be the devil to pay if he uses chemical weapons and others offering him political asylum if he leaves without using them.

This just in:

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will meet international Syria mediator Lakhdar Brahimi in Dublin on Thursday to try to put a U.N. peace process for Syria back on track, diplomatic sources said.
A few days ago Obama moved his "red line" from what he might do if Assad used "a whole bunch of chemical weapons" in August to a much more definitive statement that any use would be unacceptable and would definitely provoke a military response. Other administration sources have reported that intelligence reports say that Assad has been moving this chemical stores around.

NATO has also issued a warning and is sending Patriot missiles to Turkey to be placed along the Syrian border.

It is being reported that Obama has sent troops and an aircraft carrier task force off the coast of Syria to backup those words and France is also preparing an invasion force.

Wednesday evening NBC broke the news that Assad had already put sarin nerve gas into bombs but hasn't put those bombs into planes yet.

While the threat that Assad may use chemical weapons is well founded, I believe the real fear of Obama and the NATO allies is that the Syria opposition will win without their help and they will have no leverage in shaping the new Syria.

They are rushing in now so they don't look like the ignoble son of the emperor in Gladiator who rode in after the fight was over saying "Father, Father, have I missed the battle?" and they have to hear "NATO, you have missed the war."

And since Syria is not Libya, in their minds some backwater North African country with little choice but to sell that light sweet crude at world market prices no matter what else they do internally. Syria is much bigger stakes. Syria is at the heart of the Middle East and revolutionary democracy in both Syria and Egypt will put an end to Israel's hegemony in the region.

For these reasons they really haven't done much to help the Syrian people overthrow Assad. No air support for you!

The Syrian people have been forced to walk this road alone. What foreign help they have received has been from a few thousand Libyans and jihadists, together with some weapons and money from the Gulf states and more money from the US. A pittance really, as the deaths from exposure in the refugee camps will testify this winter.

Most military experts are saying that it is too late to stop Assad from staging a chemical attack if he decides to go that route. But if stopping mass slaughter was their true purpose they would have acted long before this.

I suspect they may intervene now even if he doesn't use them, using the protection of chemical weapons as the excuse. But the real purpose will to get some "boots on the ground" to give them leverage in shaping the post-Assad Syria.

This must be opposed. Syria is for Syrians now.

A Massacre took place in Albahdaleye,committed by Assad's. Assad's thugs arrested , brutally tortured and then executed 25 Syrians.

The Associated Press is reporting:

US aware of Assad asylum offers

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration said Wednesday that several countries in the Middle East and elsewhere have informally offered to grant asylum to Syrian President Bashar Assad and his family if they leave Syria.

Administration officials also said they were continuing to encourage those close to Assad to defect and said they believed that Syrian foreign ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi, who disappeared this week, is currently in London.

The State Department said it couldn't vouch for the sincerity of the Assad asylum offers and noted that they raise serious questions of accountability for abuses committed by his government. But spokesman Mark Toner said the U.S. is convinced that Assad must leave and cannot play any role in Syria's future.

"We do understand that some countries both in the region and elsewhere have offered to host Assad and his family should they choose to leave Syria," Toner told reporters. He would not name the countries. More...

NBC reports:

Syrian leader prepares to use chemical weapons

9:42 pm on 12/05/2012
U.S. officials told NBC News that as soon as Syrian President Bashar Assad gives the order, the country’s military will use chemical weapons against its own people.

Yesterday there seemed to be no firm evidence that the Syrians were mixing the “precursor” chemicals for the nerve gas sarin. The chemical weapon could be loaded into bombs that would be dropped from Syrian Air Force fighter-bombers. But on Wednesday, NBC News said, American officials came to believe the bombs had indeed been readied with the lethal agent. The sarin bombs were not yet loaded onto the fighter planes, however, and Assad has not issued the “go” order.
Secretary of State warned President Assad once again that he would be crossing “a red line” if he used nerve gas against the country’s rebels.  But “there’s little the outside world can do to stop it,” one official told NBC News.  Secretary Clinton, in NATO headquarters in Brussels, said the Assad government was “increasingly desperate” and on the verge of collapse. The 21-month civil war has cost 40,000 lives already.

“We believe their fall is inevitable,” Clinton said. “It is just a question of how many people have to die before that occurs.”  More...

NATO has also weigh in with a warning to Assad:

NATO warns Syria against chemical weapons use

Secretary-general Anders Fogh Rasmussen says any use of such arms will draw 'immediate reaction' from world community.
Last Modified: 04 Dec 2012 20:06
Any use of chemical weapons by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad during the ongoing uprising to overthrow his government will draw "an immediate reaction" from the world community, NATO's chief has said.

Secretary-general Anders Fogh Rasmussen's warning on Tuesday came as Syrian forces continued to hit rebel districts near Damascus, while state media reported that rebel forces had hit a school, killing dozens of children.

"The possible use of chemical weapons would be completely unacceptable for the whole international community and if anybody resorts to these terrible weapons, I would expect an immediate reaction from the international community," Rasmussen told reporters at the start of a meeting of alliance foreign ministers in Brussels. More...

Haaretz said today:

The signs that the Syrian army is losing control of the country are growing fast, so too are growing the chances of a foreign military intervention.
By Anshel Pfeffer    | Dec.06, 2012 | 4:10 AM |
The signs that the Syrian army is losing control of the country are growing fast, so too are growing the chances of a foreign military intervention. Fighting took place in dozens of locations across Syria, including near chemical weapons stores.

And RT is saying:

Thousands of US troops arrive near Syrian shore on USS Eisenhower

Published: 06 December, 2012, 00:04
The USS Eisenhower, an American aircraft carrier that holds eight fighter bomber squadrons and 8,000 men, arrived at the Syrian coast yesterday in the midst of a heavy storm, indicating US preparation for a potential ground intervention.

While the Obama administration has not announced any sort of American-led military intervention in the war-torn country, the US is now ready to launch such action “within days” if Syrian President Bashar al-Assad decides to use chemical weapons against the opposition, the Times reports.

Some have suggested that the Assad regime may use chemical weapons against the opposition fighters in the coming days or weeks.

The arrival of the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, one of the 11 US Navy aircraft carriers that has the capacity to hold thousands of men, is now stationed at the coast of Syria, DEBKAfile reports. The aircraft carrier joined the USS Iwo Jima Amphibious Ready Group, which holds about 2,500 Marines.

“We have (US) special operations forces at the right posture, they don’t have to be sent,” an unnamed US official told The Australian, which suggested that US military troops are already near Syria and ready to intervene in the conflict, if necessary. More...

According to the Australian:
Allies weigh Syria no-fly zone and special forces

    Michael Evans and Deborah Haynes
    December 06, 2012 12:00AM
A NO-FLY zone, ground troops and special forces form the main planks of British-US contingency plans drawn up over recent months in anticipation of a Syrian chemical attack.

If a political decision is made to intervene, a limited no-fly zone could be imposed to stop the Syrian Air Force dropping bombs with chemical warheads.

Meanwhile Al Jazeera Live Blog is reporting that Russia is now attempting to distance itself from the Assad regime and will be working with Turkey on a future Syria sans Assad:

Russian and Turkish diplomats will soon start working on new ideas for ending the conflict in Syria which emerged in talks between President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Tayyip Ardogan, the Kremlin said on Wednesday.

Putin and Erdogan agreed to differ on Syria at Monday's talks in Istanbul but Russia has distanced itself from President Bashar al-Assad and tried to position itself for his potential exit from power.

Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, confirmed diplomats would discuss what Putin said were "some new, fresh ideas" but gave no details.

"It was agreed that these ideas will be discussed in more detail by our diplomats in the very near future, in order to understand how viable they are and how great their potential to resolve (the Syrian crisis)," Peskov said. More...

From one day's carnage in Syria | 4 December 2012

Don't ever say you didn't know what was going on.
Just say what you were doing while it was going on.

The number of people murdered in Syria had reached 184 by the end of Tuesday, and includes 1 woman and 33 children. Here are some of them.

Damascus Suburbs, Jesrin: Child Martyr Mohammad Darwish

Child Ahmad Meshhadani, Shab’a, killed by systematic shelling.

Unknown child martyr, Shab’a, killed by systematic shelling.

Jasreen of Damascus, Child Martyr

Child Martyr After Shelling in Abada, Damascus Suburbs

Martyr Mohamad Ibrahim Maatouq in Mouadamiya, Damascus Suburbs

Martyr Rami AlJadomi in Sayeda Zainab, Damascus Suburbs

The Martyr Mahmoud Mohamed Ali in Al-Moadamieh, Damascus Suburbs

Douma | Damascus |Martyr Yaseen Khalil Al-Hanash

Douma, Unknown martyr, killed by systematic shelling

Mohammad Shikhah, Hotaitat Al-Turkman, killed by systematic shelling in Sha’ba.

Abdulrahman Fayez Al-Qoatli, Saqba, killed by systematic shelling.

Unknown martyr, Al-Meleha, killed by a sniper shot

Unknown martyr, Shab’a, killed by systematic shelling.

Anas Abdulrazzaq Al-Naqqab, Moadamit Al-Sham, killed by systematic shelling.

Yaseen Abdulrazzaq Al-Naqqab, Moadamit Al-Sham, killed by systematic shelling.

Hazza, kid wounded by Assad's shelling

Martyrs and wounded in the massacre of Bustan Al-Qasser, Aleppo

Charred Body in Maysaloun Neighborhood, Aleppo

Aleppo- Meselmiyeh Village : 4 years old Ahmad al- Hasan

Aqrab: Many people die and more get injured due to the indiscriminate shelling

Qusayr, Homs: a civilian killed by Regime shelling

Al-Houle | Homs | Martyr AbdelHaleen Al-Rashwaani

Martyr Zikra Ateeh in Dara Katbeereh, Homs

Martyr Ahmad Dali in Aqrab, Homs

Al-Qusayr | Homs: People race screaming, to find any form of shelter from heavy regime shelling. A child and a man lay injured as they receive help

Maarba: A child dies after been hit by the regime cluster bombs.

Martyr Malek Abduljalil in Maaraba, Daraa

Three martyrs due to the shelling on Howieqa neighborhood, Deir Ezzor

Howaiqa: Regime airstrike leaves many people wounded

Martyr Mohamad Ahmad Barakat in Maaret Al-Numan, Idlib

Idlib, Ma’arran al-Numan: Martyr rebel fighter Zaher Naous

Anti-interventionists, is this still "just like Iraq?"

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  •  MANPADS? (3+ / 0-)
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    Rich in PA, bear83, BlueDragon

    Thanks for posting all this info, BUT WHAT THE HELL IS A MANPAD? ( please define your acronyms, it will make things more effective )

  •  can we not play the equivalency game? (1+ / 0-)
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    Comparing the number of Palestinian dead to Syrian dead is really comparing apples and oranges.

    RE: biological weapons.... they are really not very effective. I know Saddam used mustard gas and such to decimate dissident villages but the material is difficult to handle, not to mention downright dangerous, and, as was discovered in WWI, it tends to drift with the wind and also tends to aggregate in low lying areas.  If you are going for body counts, conventional weapons can rack up a score much more efficiently.

    If you are enamored of biological weapons, the old standards such as bodies dumped down wells are cheaper and easier to accomplish.  

  •  Important diary, but I would prefer fewer pictures (5+ / 0-)

    and more ideas about what we readers can do.

    •  Agreed. My imagination needs no help in (0+ / 0-)

      understanding the horror.
      Nato is very close to imposing a no fly zone. Regardless of whether Syria is close to using chemicals, that's the takeaway for me. They're giving Assad one last chance at asylum. They will probably hit all of the artillery and armor as well.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 05:30:17 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  If/when chemical weapons are used (0+ / 0-)

    Assad will claim, with outrage and disgust, that it was the rebels.

    Filibuster reform now. No more Gentleman's agreements.

    by bear83 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 05:18:01 AM PST

  •  While you have a right to post graphic images... (4+ / 0-)
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    jadt65, GoGoGoEverton, NMRed, roycej

    ... in your diary, you also have an obligation to warn your readers that you have included those images and videos (and they are about to encounter them).  People at work, with kids in their homes, and those that are sensitive to these images deserve that respect from you.

    I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

    by Hey338Too on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 06:46:31 AM PST

  •  I would oppose NATO involvement; UN is (0+ / 0-)

    much more appropriate here as I don't see for the life of me how this is a threat to the North Atlantic, and Turkey is clearly capable of defending themselves.

    •  GoGo - the UN is incapable (0+ / 0-)

      of launching any rapid military action. It isn't a viable option.

      There are some who say that the UN couldn't stop a cookie fight at a Brownie Scouts meeting, but I think that is a slight overstatement.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 07:40:34 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Not NATO's problem; fix the UN then. nt (0+ / 0-)
        •  GoGo - the UN isn't fixable (0+ / 0-)

          The UN, and nearly all it's members, have no interest in or stomach for actual military action where people are in harms way and are killed or injured.

          NATO, for all it's faults, is the only multinational military coalition who can rapidly deploy air, land and naval forces in Europe, Northern Africa or the Middle East. It's NATO or nobody.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:19:14 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Turkey is a NATO member (0+ / 0-)

      It should not therefore be difficult to see how this involves NATO.

      •  I can see how without endorsing it. (1+ / 0-)
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        I specifically noted that Turkey was involved when I wrote that Turkey can protect itself. I'm pretty sure NATO wouldn't need to get involved if Mexico attacked us.

        •  But all it takes is for Turkey to think so (1+ / 0-)
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          If Turkey invokes Article V (or whatever) her allies are treaty-bound to come to help. If I were Turkey, I would want some ROI from the alliance I'd supported over decades. They Syrian military is orders of magnitude better armed and experienced in war than is Mexico.

          Plus with Syria being a former French proctorate they feel some obligation to get involved. That's another attractor which draws in NATO.

          What I am getting at, is that it is unrealistic to expect NATO to remain un-involved if this conflict starts drawing in foreign intervention. This is taking place on NATO's border after all.

          •  Bleh, didn't know about Article V. nt (1+ / 0-)
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          •  Arm the FSA (1+ / 0-)
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            You shouldn't take all this literally: these exchanges are diplomatic manoeuvres intended to apply pressure on Assad, and to limit his range of actions; possibly to nudge the Russians into facing the fact that if they don't cooperate in reigning Assad in the situation could explode beyond their control. Both Article V of the NATO treaty (which applies only  in the event of an "armed attack against" a member) and the issue of chemical weapons could be could be used as pretexts for intervention of some sort (a "no fly zone" doesn't seem to fit the bill if either of these is the grounds for intervention). But as others have said, my concern would be that the real objective is be to bring the Syrian situation under US/western control.  Why not just provide the FSA with the weaponry needed  to counter Assad's airpower? They are already 75% there - give them the equipment to finish the job and all these problems are resolved in one stroke.

            •  All these problems are resolved in one stroke (0+ / 0-)

              I haven't heard that one applied to the Mideast before. Were it only so.

              That aside I agree with you about the maneuvering and such. The goal is to get Assad to conclude his life in exile will be happier and longer than his life as Syrian strongman. However I was aiming at the smaller point that it is unrealistic to think NATO can remain a non-player in Syria.

  •  Obama critcizing Assad (0+ / 0-)

    Is a bit  too little too late , if he was not so  concerned about how it would  effect Israel safety,than the effect on the people of Syria ,he would had a solution,100 of thousand could be slaughetered , the people of Syria that supported Assad ,have no choice ,but too fight to the death or be slaughtered by the rebel , you have fighter from Lebanon already in Syria , these  American wingnut will swear that these  are the chemical weapon taht belong to Saddam,but  is a lie

  •  cynical enough to be true (1+ / 0-)
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    I believe the real fear of Obama and the NATO allies is that the Syria opposition will win without their help and they will have no leverage in shaping the new Syria
    Syria is at the heart of the Middle East and revolutionary democracy in both Syria and Egypt will put an end to Israel's hegemony in the region.
    Excellent explanation of what are likely our true motives.  It's probably a general rule of international politics: starve, torture, and kill your own people all you want, so long as your regime is useful.

    To those who say the New Deal didn't work: WWII was also government spending

    by Visceral on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:27:14 AM PST

  •  1-2 (0+ / 0-)

    First, it seems awfully clear to me that we're getting spun like hell by Syrian exile groups and the opposition, both of whom want to gain power and money in a post-Assad world. This feels a great deal like the infamous "Kuwaiti babies ripped out of incubators" madness in 1990/1991. Syria has chemical weapons, but who knows what the reality is -- both sides are feeding us the most biased and self-serving information possible.

    Second, this sounds like a job for the Arab League and the EU. I don't want the US to have much part in it. If anything comes to a head the USA should merely try to blow up any depot/store of chemical weapons with bombs designed to neutralize the bio/chem components. Besides that, not much.

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:47:04 AM PST

  •  Your headline is misleading (0+ / 0-)

    Unless I missed it in a quick read, the only mention in your text of "asylum offers pour in" is in an AP story that says "several countries" have made offers, although they are unnamed in the story.

    The truth is rarely pure and never simple. -- Oscar Wilde

    by Mnemosyne on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 09:20:58 AM PST

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